Thoughts?
I really don’t want Daicos to win. Sure he might be the best player ever in the history of the AFL but the amount of fawning over him by some commentators is absolutely nauseating - topped off with Hamish M saying the other night he’s his tip for it this year and he thinks he should’ve won it last 3 years in a row.
The amount of times they say his name commentating when he’s around but not in the play, is staggering.
Anyway - who do you think and who do you want?
M Rowell - 36 votes .... O0 O0
Daicos-second last year, well ahead of third place, so he's a proven vote getter.
Want: George Hewett
My tips:
Hugh Mcluggage
Isaac Heeney (not sure if they won enough)
Jordan Dawson
Bailey Smith
I dont think Daicos was that good this season but he'll win it because certain circles think he should have won last year.
Cripps in a huge upset.
Even at 2/3rds capacity he'll still poll more than 99.8% of players.
I don't think he'll win it or even go close, but I suspect he'll probably poll reasonably well and end up our best vote getter.
I reckon George will poll the most votes for us.
Saw some predictions - Dawson to win it with Daicos 2nd.
I'm tipping umps will gift votes to daicos more than Dawson, so Daicos for mine.
Cripps was getting 13 votes.....which i think is probably too much given his year. George should probably have that by round 8 or so, even though we couldn't get a win early.
Anyone but Daicos....we'll poll poorly so not really interested.
He certainly deserves to IMO. Undoubtedly been Mr Reliable and Mr Consistent this season.
Nick Daicos easy...I reckon McCluggage will poll well too.
For us the skipper and his 1st mate G. Hewett to be our best vote getters..
I'm going for Bailey Smith.
No particular reason other than plucking one out of my backside.
Whoever it is, I want them to win by 1 vote from Daicos.
Unfortunately Daicos will win it easily.
Right now, Matt Rowell is getting 3 votes on a near weekly basis.
Does he fall away and or will Anderson start taking votes from him? Would love Rowell to win.
I’m sorry, but Rowell getting 3 votes in rounds 7 and 9 is a joke.
The umpires have no ideas
I think that was proven last year when Cripps got votes for running onto the ground.
Not saying he didn't play some good football, but he was not THAT good.
If that's the case he will win easily.
Found this one news.com.au on FB.
Round 4 - 17 touches
Round 7 - 16 touches
Three votes in both 😳
There's a change. Rowell only got 2 that round.
Dangerfield dropping casually he’s heading to Charlie…. And Ed’s…. Place tomorrow…. The Bathhouse…
That caught my attention as well.
Daicos wasn't that good vs us either
Onya Rowelly, poor Nick😂
Yessss Rowell! Well deserved, super player and seems a super person.
Hamish Mc is terrible at hosting - he’s awkward and arrogant.
Well deserved Matt Rowell. He’s starting to really put together some top shelf, consistent footy, after showing glimpses early on. And Crippa’s record remains intact.
Can't wait to swim in the Collingwood fans tears. Could fill a swimming pool with them.
Daicos 2nd again! Gee, bugger...lol.
Rowell is one of us. Shaped by carlton. Natural cripps successor. Bring him over
That ship has sailed.
No reason to leave the suns after dragging them out of obscurity to go to us...currently in obscurity.
Shy, humble, well rounded human and an extremely tough and skilful footballer to boot.
An impressive winner, Matt Rowell.
Glad to see Daicos beaten again.
How did George Hewett only get 10 votes?
Jack Silvagni didn't get one.
Equally surprised. Obviously needs to grow his hair really long and/or dye it a bright colour.
Or play for a side that wins games.
It's a meaningless award.
I once thought that Rowell was a tad overrated … until I watched him closely. He is a gun and a very worthy winner.
George missed out on votes because we lost more games than we won. Same with Harry.
Jack’s surname mustn’t carry much weight with the umpires.
Interestingly though, Cripps still polled very well in what was an average season for him. 19 is a pretty fair number.
Winner and runner-up were Carlton fans. Strange a Daicos grew up a Carlton fan but was best friends with Tom Silvagni, so he supported Carlton too.
Wouldn't that boost the midfield...haha.
Rowell works extremely hard in a few areas. He had the second most tackles in the league this year
7 odd game with more than 10 tackles, max one game was a crazy 17
Do I get nearest the pin ??
O0 O0
Great effort SH. Did you back him with Sportsbet?
Nice bloke is Matt Rowell but the voting was mystifying as it was when Greg Williams was dudded and had 40 plus possessions when Wanganeen won the medal.
Nas should have got three votes for his 34 possession 4 goal match winning game in Rnd20 I think it was and how Rowell got three votes in games where he got less than 20 possessions was hard to fathom.
I didnt care who won but the voting system has to change as the umpires get it way wrong too often imo.
But did you watch those games?
I saw someone post on fb earlier that he commentated the game of where nas got 2 and Viney got 3 - sure NAS won it for them in the final few mins but the commentator said Saints were putrid for 3/4’s and Viney was very very good for Melbourne.
Personally didn’t watch any of those games in full so nfi personally but you can have 40
Possessions and them
Be not as impactful as 20
Possessions that are.
And to add to that if the commentators were doing the Brownlow voting it would be Daicos 3 for every game! I have listened to them commentate him and they treat everything he does as the best thing ever even when he literally is not even in the play! Don’t know why they in particular BT and Hamish have such hard ons for him but Rowell is an absolutely worthy winner as was Crippa.
Yeah I wasnt sure either, so I went back and had a look.
Nasiah - AF 147, GB 4.1, 34D, 25K, 9 HB, 5 M, 4 T. 749 Metres gained. 6 Clearances 6 inside 50's.
J.Viney - AF 134, GB 1.1, 23D, 12K, 11HB, 1 M 16 T. 303 Metres gained, 8 Clearanes, 4 inside 50's.
Tackling aside, Nas was way better on stats, but the real tell was how gobsmacked everyone who was involved in the game were. He was a match winner on the day. Thing is, if you value the tackle stat, 16 is remarkable, and seeing how Cripps and Rowell are racking up brownlows, you can go back to Matt Priddis, where the inside mids are being rewarded for putting their head over it time and again.
When push comes to shove 4.1 in a 1 goal game... Not sure what they were thinking.
Watched the Nas game , my daughters inlaws are Halo members so I get roped into going to see a few Stkilda games.
Didnt watch any GC games so cant comment directly only can go by the stats and what others have said.
I thought Gawn was better than Viney, I remember the latter had a lot of tackles but I didnt think his possessions did much damage. To me Nas was BOG, the only thing I will say is that players like Nas and Nick Daicos are more watchable than players like Viney and Rowell and you can get your judgement skewed by their flair and style which is more vote catching but not necessarily a true indication of what overall effect they had on the game.
NAS did get 34 possessions and was certainly the most influential when it came to winning the game. Viney actually was the one who gave away the 6-6-6 free that lost them the game. The reaction of Max Gawn when NAS only got 2 votes was gold.
Agree though that, theoretically, a Rowell 20 possession game could be more influential than another's 40 possession game. I didn't take notice of GC games as much to judge if that was the case, but I see your point. He could have had, for example, 10 tackles as well that created scoring chances or prevented the other side scoring. That would count as well.
This is from the Match Report of Rowell's 20 possession/ 3 vote game.
Third quarter-fresh in the mind of the umpires-significantly affected the result.
I suspect Cripps had a few of those 3 vote games last year where he influenced the result although not dominant for four quarters.
Naas also had nine scoring involvements and as you say Viney cost them the game, also Viney had McRae company for a lot of the game and I thought McRae was a good player for Stkilda so I didnt think it was a complete BOG performance from Viney at all.
But back to the point of my previous posts, I feel the umpires see the game differently and id like more balance with some outside adjudicators also casting votes for some balance.
Congratulations to Matt Rowell - fine season.
As the Brownlow is subjective, the 'anomalies' will always be there.
There are 32 umpires per round. Voting is going to inconsistent. It doesn't matter if there are other 'independents' that vote, there will still be at least 8 other ones.
It is hard enough in the U13's doing 5-4-3-2-1 after a game! I think we all look at the votes on this site after a game and see a few 'strange' ones.
Imagine if in the olympics after a gymnast's performace, all judges were swapped out for the next athlete and so on.
Never going to get a perfect system for this. Like many things!
Often Player of the Match in Cricket is often more about the how a player influences the result rather than the best player. A bowler may get 0/150 in the first innings but have a quick burst of 4 or 5 wickets in a spell running through top the top order, bringing about a collapse and victory for his team.
Gents, let's be honest here, the real winner of the Brownlow was Aston Moir's mum, Cynthia 8)
Hope you nicked down to the TAB.......?
The media are cutting up because the umpires do not follow the AFL Media sophistry regarding favourite players and clubs.
Furthermore, when the media carries on about 17 possession games getting three votes, it just shows you they haven't really watched the game and are commenting off the stats.
I admit I had to go back and watch fragments of a couple of those low possession games, Rowell probably had 12 or 15 decisive and influential possessions when it mattered. As many if not more decisive possessions than most players like Daisocs or Bont get in a 35 possession game.
Actually, the AFL media hypocrisy is shown in it's support for Daicos, because most of the Daicos possessions are vacuous, he is genuinely a highlight reel type player admittedly with very good highlights and excellent finishing. But he's not the one getting the job done as much as fans like to think, he is somewhat reminiscent of Ablett Jnr's pre-Gold Coast give and get game plan which many commented was over-rated.
I said previously that I used to think that Rowell was overrated and was given too much credit for meaningless tackles. However, when I actually watched him closely I realised that his tackles often change the course of a game, and he does it consistently.
I think it was against Collingwood where several crunching Rowell tackles enabled the Suns to hang on for the win.
By the way, Rowell played basketball for Koonung Comets. I was president of that club for many years ... but way before Matt joined :)
The Daicos fawning is unbelievable. Not sure why Hamish and Goyder kiss his arse so much but the more they do it the more people will
Dislike Daicos! I mean how influential has The Bont been over his journey yet has come runner up a few times - don’t hear the bullcrap in the media about that like we do about Daicos. Give it a rest ffs.
I agree wholeheartedly. Daicos may be Collingwood's best player, but he isn't God. Bontempelli deserves one more than Daicos does.
Bont is the best in the comp but Daicos is a close second.
I’m not sure that Daicos is Collingwood’s best player. He might get a lot of the ball, and demand it even more, but, if there was one player we could take from Collingwood, I’d go for Moore.
Nick Daicos is a gun player, sure he is easy to hate but he would make us a finals team and win a few brownlows doing it.
N Daicos is going at 1.24 Brownlow votes a game. It’s pretty impressive. Cripps right up there too.
https://afltables.com/afl/brownlow/totals0.html
He looked cooked in that last final...