Friday 17th April at Carlton, at 19:05.
This weekend is the State Game. :(
Impossible to develop any momentum with such a disjointed fixture.
We need to learn how to win in 11 days.
One thing we have in our favour this week is Lord and Hewett: that sort of mid power should improve our team's clearances.
Reidy and O'Keefe should improve our rucks.
Key forwards? Key defenders? Aye, there's the rub.
Will Phillips play for us again? Somehow, I doubt it. But he would be very useful.
Our line-up:
B: J. Boyd (37), W. Derksen (47), A. Saad (42)
HB: H. Charleson (28), B. Wilson (15), R. Monahan (34)
C: C. Chesser (31), G. Hewett (29), B. Acres (13)
HF: L. Fogarty (8), L. Camporeale (21), J. Ison (30)
F: F. Young (45), H. O'Keeffe (40), A. Moir (43)
R: L. Reidy (25), B. Camporeale (16), M. Cottrell (46)
Int: D. Tucker (50), T. Logan (68), M. Duffy (41), D. Harvey (61), C. Lord (36)
23rd Player: T. Logan (68)
Em: J. Sammartino (58), C. Vickery (59), O. Warburton (62), F. Riley (56), J. Magor (51), A. Davey (57), L. Prout (74), W. Cookson (77)
IN: J. Boyd, W. Derksen, M. Duffy, G. Hewett, T. Logan, C. Lord
OUT: N. Haynes (AFL), D. Hogg (injured), W. Cookson, T. Evans, L. Prout, J. Sammartino (omitted)
[1] With Lord named on the bench, I think he probably won't play. If he plays, it will be on managed minutes.
[2] I know I've been carping on about this, but we seriously lack key position players out there. Collingwood don't have that much, but they have more than we do.
[3] With the talent we supposedly have out there, we should not be losing. Not even thinking about it. We have 20 AFL listed players named! But, we haven't won a game yet.
Anyone know if there is a way to watch this?
Usually the AFL website has a live broadcast of VFL games. If you have the AFL app on devices, I'm pretty sure the same applies.
I think watching this will highlight one of our big problems, and that is we do not and never have taken VFL seriously, as such the development of our stocking fillers falls dramatically short.
When was the last time you can recall a Carlton player coming in cold from the VFL and doing a job, Cottrell maybe, but even he like Evans took games to settle?
We never get them cherry ripe, and even if they are showing form we tend to run it out of them and wait until they are on the slide before begrudgingly giving them a shot.
btw., This is not a coach or MC issue, because it's been happening for decades, through dozens of coaches and probably hundreds of MC.
Cottrell is the only AFL listed looking any good in terms of ball use, but he's not getting enough.
For those interested :
https://www.afl.com.au/afl-tv/stream?player=arILJvH9PY&streamId=State%20League%20CH4
Ive just discovered why Flynn young isn't in the ones. Its another athleticism issue. Our players lack agility.
We should also be considering flynn riley at the mid season draft.
Too bad Collingwood are rubbish. Acres and Wilson making a claim for first team football.
Cooper lord another one putting his hand up half way through the second term.
44 point lead at half time,
Will it be enough?
Unfortunately we don’t believe it to be 🙄
Moir doesn't do a lot...but gee he does it beautifully. :D
....and he gets a goal.
65-18
3 behinds to Ben C,2 to Lucas. Ison and Moir doing some nice things. Ison's left peg might be a weapon.
Young Ison going very well.
Looks like the reserves have channelled the seniors. Collingwood have kicked 5 to 3 in that quarter with 3 in the last 5 mins.
We should really have buried them there.
Collingwood had a shot after the siren.
Thought the player went off the mark
Anyway they won the quarter and reduced the margin to 36.
73-37
We've stopped.
Collingwood working their way back but they dont think they have time. Its 82 to 53 in time on late in the 4th.
Dissapointed we didnt put the foot on the throat and kill them.
Our best have been Hewett, acres, lord.
Ison shows promise. Moir doesnt do enough bjt has poise. Flynn young is creative but pace is an issue. Ben camporeale has been busy without being outstanding. Charleson shows something which is better than nothing.
Saad hasn't been bad. Just not great.
O keefe has been serviceable but hes glacial.
Both sides havent maximised their chances and we are down to a 28 point margin.
Im convinced our conditioning is woeful.
31 pt win
We kicked 4 goals in the second half to 7 of Collingwoods who were goalless at half time. Considering the gulf in class a very dissapointing end to the game.
Acres (31), Hewett (29+9 tackles), Lord (31+11 tackles), Young ( 21 +2 goals) all did well.
Ison coming along nicely.
If only Ben C could kick ::) (0 goals 4 behinds) and his field kicking isn't any better.
Flynn Riley may be a better ruckman that both Reidy and HOK.
Given the current thinking around our midfield it's probably going to be one of Hewett or Lord...and the younger man may well get the nod.
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Carlton: 11 - 19 - 85
Collingwood: 7 - 12 - 54
If we could kick straight, then we might have won by what we should have.
On the other hand, we have managed our 1st win for the season.
[1] Reidy didn't play. Is he being held over for next round in the seniors? Probably.
Flynn Riley, on the other hand, had 33 taps, easily more than both Collingwood rucks. 4 clearances and 13 possessions was a good night for him.
Duson O'Keefe, on the other hand, had 7 possessions, with 5 marks, 1 clearance and 18 taps. Not as poor as he has been, so a step in the right direction.
[2] No Derksen either. Probably also held over. However, it meant that we seriously lacked KP players.
If there was a reason why we couldn't slaughter Collingwood, that is probably it. We are so short of guys who can be a focal point, that it is frightening.
[3] George Hewett: 29 possessions, 9 clearances, 9 tackles.
Cooper Lord: 31 possessions, 5 clearances, 11 tackles.
Blake Acres: 31 possessions, 2 clearances, 2 tackles.
This is the sort of response we were looking for.
Those four should all come in IMO and maybe Moir?
Outs: McKay Byrne Elijah Hollands Ollie Hollands Evans
Did I also hear Gov was injured late in the game?
He might get a run soon. Byrne had a nice bit of experience. might be time to develop in the twos again for a little while. The like of Ison might get to experience seniors.
Gov is one going well this year and filling a key role forward. Without McKay next week I hope Gov is ok. Frankie missed a bit of pre season. I never thought he was quite right when he come in. Might be good for him to have a run in the twos for Flynn toung to get his fitness back up. One thing like like about Frankie is his footy IQ and ball use. Those later games last year were elite, so hopefully get him fit then back to that.
Maybe Ben Campo might get a go soon as he knows how to get it. Never mind his kicking, we won't lose anything from it....haha.
I would promote all three plus Flynn Young - there will be plenty of options for omission.
CARLTON RESERVES 1.6 7.8 10.13 11.19 (85)
COLLINGWOOD VFL 0.4 0.6 5.7 7.12 (54)
GOALS
Carlton: Ison 2, Moir 2, Young 2, Cottrell, Fogarty, O’Keeffe, Riley, Tucker
BESTS
Carlton: Acres, Saad, Young, Lord, Hewett, Charleson
[1] Lucas C has a quiet one: 13 possessions, 6 tackles and 1 point.
On the other hand, Ben had 27 possessions, 5 tackles, 4 points and 3 clearances.
Lucas was playing a different role, with Chesser and Acres on the wings for most of the night.
[2] Adam Saad: 25 disposals, with 13 handballs - something I don't mind seeing.
Harry Charleson: 23 disposals
Billy Wilson: 21 disposals
Lucas went off injured before 1/2 time, I don't recall him returning.
We limp over the line, that game was there to win by 15 goals, we never do it anymore.
We manage, went don't dominate!
Right now Ill take any farken win anywhere anyway. Small steps LP.
He copped a massive hit to the body that had him throwing up at one stage.
He came off walking hunched up, like a rib injury.
I think he did come back on late
He definitely returned. They played well just inaccurate infront of goal. Ben had 0.4.
But we had more shots on goal in the 2nd half... just couldn't hit the side of a barn! The only time they got a hold of us was late in the 3rd when they kicked 3 unanswered goals.
Plenty of positives to take out of that win. Plenty of blokes putting their hands up for senior selection. Acres, Hewett, Lord and Young chief among them. I also liked Billy Wilson's game and that Flynn Riley is worth having a good look at, some potential there.
Saad had plenty of ball, but he seemed a yard or two slower than usual and I'm not sure he impacted to any great extent.
Wilson did some nice things with his run and penetrating kicking but he also spent a bit of time 'waxing' with Boyd coming out of defense which probably inflated both their figures.
I'm not sure either did enough to force their way into the side for next week.
I'd hope Harry Charleson could get a game at senior level at some stage, just to see how he goes.
He's an honest type of footballer, does his job, and gets plenty of ball but he's out of contract at the end of the year so he has to make the most of this season or he'll be amongst the "most likely".
Moir is such a frustrating player...he has the ability to make the 'classy' look easy, but we don't see it often enough.
I don't think there is a lot of difference in the way he plays at VFL and Senior level. He should be much more 'impactful' down here.
On the other hand...Hewett and Lord are both a level above this competition and showed it.
But we can't fit Hewett into the senior side...how do we fit both, who play a similar style
And then you add in Ben Camporeale.
Ben would be a chance, if his disposal was better.
None of them have 'Flash' like qualities.
I really like Flynn Riley as a ruckman...but we've got a trio so I doubt we'll be adding him at any stage.
The thing is, when our ruck guys go back to the VFL, Riley is forced out of the side...and that disadvantages the VFL side.
Sorry but Im getting George, Blacres and Lord into to the side ASAP to add grunt.
We kicked 6 goals 2 behinds in the second quarter and 5 goals 17 in the rest of the match. Missed a lot of gettable goals just as we did on Thursday night. It is a different game when you kick your goals, hit your targets with foot and hand and don't fumble the ball. If we could do the simple things well a lot of our problems would go away.
Tough night for the Campo's. Lucas is in hospital with a lacerated kidney and Ben is in concussion protocols.
I thought Lucas went back on after the incident.
I hope I'm wrong.
:o
He did lods. I spotted him 4th quarter. There wasn't much in it.
He vomited before he came off.
Then he left the field bent at around 45 degrees sideways holding his side.
Now we learn he had a lacerated kidney.
Now without being on the sidelines we're not really in a position to judge the medical assessment and the approval for him to return to the field.
But I suspect it's going to be portrayed as a second 'faliure' of the club in 24 hours to deal with a medical incident.
Looking at the replay, trying to get a better sense of what happened.
1st Quarter:
Carlton 1 - 6 - 12
Collingwood 0 - 4 - 4
Not an impressive quarter from either team. Lots of turnovers, lots of simple errors, lots of less than perfect decisions. Remind you of anything?
[1] Lucas C may not have had a great night, especially with how it turned out, but he does have a very nice pair of hands. He took a couple of nice marks. Still needs to work on his pace and his disposal.
[2] We should have got more goals. Our lack of key forwards and our inability to find forwards was still obvious. But we did seem to lead more than we do in the seniors.
[3] Harry Charleson had a great term: 10 disposals and 3 intercept marks. I still think he might make it, if he is given the chance.
[4] Jack Ison's disposal: it really stood out in a rather messy quarter. I want to see more.
[5] Duffy did a pretty good job in defence. Collingwood had a tall forward line, but we controlled their forwards quite well. Duffy was the most obvious tall defender, ad he only turned it over once.
[6] Monahan appears to be growing into the game. He had maybe 7 or 8 possessions and really ran hard to attack and defend. His disposal was ordinary early, which was disappointing. In the pre-season it was pretty good.
[7] Bryn Teakel was emergency for the VFL in the state game last week and Flynn Riley beat both him and Smit pretty well. Using his leap as well as his height, which impressed me.
[8] Ben C knows how to get it, but he needs to work on his pace and his kicking. He got run down again in the 1st quarter.
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/1998286/injury-update-lucas-camporeale
When I say there wasn't much in it, the contact where he came off the ground. I thought at the time he had landed funny and done an ankle but then he got up and was moving OK still doubled over expected a winded player.
Petracca all over again.
https://x.com/cleary_mitch/status/2045355934168551427?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E2045359122997248272%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es3_&ref_url=
Here we go.... ::) ::)
2nd Quarter:
We really got on top, getting the ball out of the middle and moving the ball with purpose and accuracy.
Carlton: 7 - 8 - 50
Collingwood: 0 - 6 - 6
[1] Billy Wilson impressed. His first half was really good.
[2] Our disposal is still a work in progress. But we did have some really nice patches this quarter. We also dominated the tackles.
[3] They really disrespected Acres, whose run was back. Honestly, this was the best he's looked in a long time. Confident, good in the air and all over the park.
[4] Cottrell was pretty quiet in the first half. But what he did was pretty good.
[5] Flynn Young must be in the team next week. His set shots are excellent.
[6] Lucas C was really brave in the incident where he was injured. I can understand why he may not have been picked up for his injury: the docs don't have a test for that and probably don't think of it. Kidney issues are often identified when there is blood in the urine. Hope he is better soon.
[7] Collingwood only had 3 inside-50's for the entire term!
[8] Logan didn't much time on ground, but he did stand out.
3rd Quarter:
Carlton: 10 - 13 - 73
Collingwood: 5 - 7 - 37
[1] Not a great quarter. Not only did Collingwood kick goals, we couldn't buy one.
[2] We really don't have any forward system. The way we bombed the ball in with a minimum of marking targets was terrible.
Last year we looked better because we had a key forward who leaded and offered a real target. We really lack that at the moment (and he can't get a game at Essendon, but that is another tale).
[3] Even in the VFL we allow teams to get a run-in against us.
[4] Fog played his best game for quite a while. He, at least, made some space and was a target. Pity he can barely kick 40 m!
[5] We really need to get Moir into the game, because he makes things happen. 2 goals from Moir.
[6] Ison's vision and disposal are a weapon.
Nice summaries Crash...On the second quarter post.
;)
1) Wilson has pace and is a penetrating kick. I'm a fan but I think he's played better than last night, and may still be a few weeks off. There were times when the ball lived in our half so our defenders weren't asked to do much at those times.
He and Boyd share the ball a bit coming out of defence and that tends to inflate their stats.
3) Acres running end to end was really impressive.
4) Cottrell wasn't a standout but there was a bit of class about him. Give him another week or two and he may be ready.
5) We have to give young FlynnYoung a shot...couple of lovely passes too. The question will be, can he do it at AFL level for an extended period.
6) Lucas may have convinced the medical folk he was right to go...there will be questions asked no doubt.
3rd Quarter....
3) Given the number of AFL listed players last night it was probably not unexpected those mental lapses happened down there too.
5) I wrote earlier that Moir doesn't do a lot, but what he does do he does brilliantly. It is pretty frustrating.
Last Quarter: What could have been:
Carlton: 11 - 19 - 85
Collingwood: 7 - 12 - 54
[1] Kicking 1 goal 6 was disappointing, but we still dominated play.
[2] As Lods noted, we have a couple of guys who stand out for what they do when they have the ball; Ashton Moir and Jack Ison. If only we could get them more involved!
[3] Apart from missing his last shot, Flynn Young again showed why I think he should be in the senior team. He had 21 disposals and was just so dangerous.
[4] On the other hand Flynn Riley disappointed somewhat in the last. He seemed to run out of a bit of juice, after his brilliant start. I would have liked to see O'Keefe ruck more, as that is his main function, but he is still a long way from the form I'd prefer to see from him.
[5] An unsung named did a good job: Jack Sammartino doesn't get heaps of the ball, but he does a job. Pity we don't have someone who can do that sort of job in the seniors.
For that matter, also some kudos to Dane Harvey who played well in defence. Collingwood had a lot of tall forwards, but we managed to minimize their effect on the game.
I can't claim to be as satisfied with Tucker, but he wasn't bad. And he provides leadership, a mature body in a team that lacks them severely.
[6] Jordan Boyd: he did some nice things, but he had 1 tackle in a team that had heaps of them. Ison had 3, Tucker had 5, Riley had 3, Chesser had 6, Lucas C had 6 as well, and we knw what happened to him.
Overall, I was really please that we won, as we hadn't won a game prior to this. I was disappointed we couldn't complete the rout, but it is a beginning. Hopefully, with a bit of continuity, we can improve our disposal and particularly, our goal kicking.
Exactly what I was thinking, Principal LODS. Sent back on with damaged kidney! Looks like our medical protocols/dept is in for a couple of please explains and scrutiny. Oh dear.
I'm a pretty positive optimistic guy. (I suspect some think unrealistically optimistic) but Truslove leaves me for dead. ;D
Not a weakness in sight.
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2001317?fbclid=IwY2xjawRVJ4VleHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETFlMGZtdjFESGJLSFNzdEZqc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQQMjIyMDM5MTc4ODIwMDg5MgABHjzEjMuUBvLEcWDxf8YXaq63mCESzI_FvAZERpGhBvrR3ZRpCneoyfDLLvDk_aem_d6wyusu71nn6hBcQb-8XBg
I read that the other day.
My favourite one was this...
Translation...
He couldn't hold a grab. We shifted him into the ruck but he was no good there, but he at least attempted to tackle albeit couldn't catch a cold.
I must admit some surprise that we want for Truslove. While he does have experience at a lot of clubs, I can't remember any of them challenging for the premiership. Is he there to develop players? Maybe.
He was the coach of Sydney last year when a certain delisted forward kicked his one and only bag of VFL goals.
Look, I might be doing the guy a disservice, but I would have thought that looking at successful programs might have been the way to go.