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When you get beaten by the usual suspects yet again - Daicos, Elliot, Howe etc it just reinforces that Voss and his "support" are clueless. No planning whatsoever.   I don't want to sack another coach but he has no idea.  Chuck in a senior group lacking a skerrick of leadership and a swag of passengers and we're looking at a three win season - if we're lucky.
The last quarter we all knew was inevitable - it's at the point where we may as well hand the keys in, I don't think this club is ever going to recover.

Just found this online, have a look and you tell me ......... is Hollands off his dial here ??

https://x.com/tommorris32/status/2044752407306109009?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E2044752407306109009%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=

This explains the 0 stats IMO.

Just found this online, have a look and you tell me ......... is Hollands off his dial here ??

https://x.com/tommorris32/status/2044752407306109009?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E2044752407306109009%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=

This explains the 0 stats IMO.

I would have given my left one for Byrne to have drilled that shot, there just isn't ever any joy with this mob is there.

This Hollands thing needs to be investigated surely this bloke couldn't be that stupid ?

Not blaming Byrne but he kicked to where he was running to.

Did I see Cripps smiling & enjoying himself on the ground after the siren ??

And if Hollands was off his tree, then he must be sacked immediately.

Quote from: LordLucifer – on April 16, 2026, 11:01:32 pm

Did I see Cripps smiling & enjoying himself on the ground after the siren ??

And if Hollands was off his tree, then he must be sacked immediately.

That or he has really severe mental health issues. Issues like that are a worry. I remember Rhett Baynes.

AFL or Carlton will surely take a bit of air and test it for drugs just in case. Shouldn't be too hard.

Either way it's pity as he has talent.

Elijah still recovering from his gather round bender with his old mates.
Delist.

A post on FB :

"Jon Ralph spoke to Carlton - they said he's been dealing with anxiety, and it's a sensitive issue that the club will work through.
However, Pies players said that Hollands was saying to them "im not 100%"."

A post on FB :

"Jon Ralph spoke to Carlton - they said he's been dealing with anxiety, and it's a sensitive issue that the club will work through.
However, Pies players said that Hollands was saying to them "im not 100%"."

When you get beaten by the usual suspects yet again - Daicos, Elliot, Howe etc it just reinforces that Voss and his "support" are clueless. No planning whatsoever.   I don't want to sack another coach but he has no idea.  Chuck in a senior group lacking a skerrick of leadership and a swag of passengers and we're looking at a three win season - if we're lucky.
The last quarter we all knew was inevitable - it's at the point where we may as well hand the keys in, I don't think this club is ever going to recover.

just heard the 666 penalty was caused
by E hollands.

and just saw footage of him after the game and he was pinging.

just when you thought we couldn’t embarrass ourself anymore think again.

Quote from: shawny – on April 16, 2026, 11:41:17 pm

just heard the 666 penalty was caused
by E hollands.

and just saw footage of him after the game and he was pinging.

just when you thought we couldn’t embarrass ourself anymore think again.

I can confirm E Hollands was the reason for the 666 warning. I didn't see who caused the 666 penalty though. Surely he couldn't have done it twice?

I know many are gonna say elijah was off his chops but ive heard that meds can do some weird things to people. 

Quote from: Thryleon – on April 16, 2026, 11:49:12 pm

I know many are gonna say elijah was off his chops but ive heard that meds can do some weird things to people. 

Should have been removed from the field in the first qtr, put away for the night and taken into the rooms and treated for whatever he was suffering and help him settle down. It should not have been allowed to play out in front of 78,000 people for 4 qtrs IMO.

I dont know how I feel: we had that game won

Just found this online, have a look and you tell me ......... is Hollands off his dial here ??

https://x.com/tommorris32/status/2044752407306109009?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E2044752407306109009%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=

This explains the 0 stats IMO.

Got back not long ago. Not happy. Another game we threw away.

[1] At least we did come back after we'd been pounded in the first 8 minutes of the last quarter. The result should have been a draw, although we were the better team for all but about 8 minutes.

[2] We seriously need a new coach. I'm sure we'll get one at season's end. We were out-coached when it mattered by half a Collingwood side. Why? We do not learn. If we can see the issues we have for more than a year, and none of them appear to have been addressed, you ask what the problem is.

[3] I am seriously disappointed with Talor Byrne tonight. He did some good thing, promising things, but when it mattered he really failed to stand up. Three shots at goal from no more than 40 m for 2 points, including the last, when it mattered, were critical.
Unfortunately, he wasn't alone. H kicked 1 goal 4 after dominating his position. That just isn't good enough for a professional key forward.
I don't want to dump on Matt Carroll, because he played a good game, but in the last quarter he had a couple of shots for nothing. He is normally a good kick, but he really missed when it was important.
Brodie Kemp: kicks the hard ones, but can't kick them from 20 out directly in front.

[4] I don't want to touch the Elijah Hollands matter. I've had anxiety issues: when it is really bad, you can't get out of bed, let alone play decent football. If he was that screwed up, we should never have played him. Flynn Young was available.

[5] Ollie Hollands is not a run-with player. he was given the job and came up really short. Daicos killed him when it mattered. His last quarter was like Walsh's 1st quarter last week: the difference.
We need very badly to recruit or develop a really athletic run-with player who can keep the opposition's best mids out of the game. At the moment, we don't have one.
Lord sometimes get the job, and he can do it well against anyone is similar speed. He wouldn't have been the match-up for Nick Daicos.
Losing Cincotta has really hurt us.

[6] I'm not sure if it all about our coaching, but our players can be seriously stupid sometimes.
(a) Lachie Cowan had some moment tonight that were just diabolical. Instead of taking the first option, he ran himself into trouble and screwed up.
(b) Adam Cerra wasn't far behind him. His decision making under pressure was dreadful, as was his kicking. He panicked, and it cost us goals.
(c) Kemp also stood out, fumbling marks he was taking early, falling over his own feet ... I just don't want to think about the rest.
(d) Although he wasn't bad tonight, H can be like that. He goes to ground too easily too often and his decision making can be dreadful. But tonight he was pretty good, but for his kicking. he needs to go back and get his kicking right before he loses us another game.

[7] Free kick to H, directly in front in the last quarter? Of course not. He's taken off with concussion and he doesn't get a too-high free.
I could go on about the umpires, but I've written enough about these guys. I'm over them. When we play well enough, we can go back to ignoring the stupid decisions they make.

[8] We probably lost the game by depending of Lewis Young as a 2nd ruck. I thought he wasn't bad, for the most part, but he was slaughtered in the ruck. It was the difference between winning and losing.

[9] I know Pitto works like a Trojan every week, but other rucks can lift in the last quarter and change the game. Pitto can't. When Steene got on top for those first 8 minutes, Collingwood got the ball out of middle quickly and we couldn't stop them.

I saw why we got Hayward, did a lot of good things.
Daicos, 39 pos? WTF? Ollie is an outside link player not a grunt.
Why is our MC and coaching group always so frustrating.

Sad part is Elijah has been our bedt player this year.

Got back not long ago. Not happy. Another game we threw away.

[1] At least we did come back after we'd been pounded in the first 8 minutes of the last quarter. The result should have been a draw, although we were the better team for all but about 8 minutes.

[2] We seriously need a new coach. I'm sure we'll get one at season's end. We were out-coached when it mattered by half a Collingwood side. Why? We do not learn. If we can see the issues we have for more than a year, and none of them appear to have been addressed, you ask what the problem is.

[3] I am seriously disappointed with Talor Byrne tonight. He did some good thing, promising things, but when it mattered he really failed to stand up. Three shots at goal from no more than 40 m for 2 points, including the last, when it mattered, were critical.
Unfortunately, he wasn't alone. H kicked 1 goal 4 after dominating his position. That just isn't good enough for a professional key forward.
I don't want to dump on Matt Carroll, because he played a good game, but in the last quarter he had a couple of shots for nothing. He is normally a good kick, but he really missed when it was important.
Brodie Kemp: kicks the hard ones, but can't kick them from 20 out directly in front.

[4] I don't want to touch the Elijah Hollands matter. I've had anxiety issues: when it is really bad, you can't get out of bed, let alone play decent football. If he was that screwed up, we should never have played him. Flynn Young was available.

[5] Ollie Hollands is not a run-with player. he was given the job and came up really short. Daicos killed him when it mattered. His last quarter was like Walsh's 1st quarter last week: the difference.
We need very badly to recruit or develop a really athletic run-with player who can keep the opposition's best mids out of the game. At the moment, we don't have one.
Lord sometimes get the job, and he can do it well against anyone is similar speed. He wouldn't have been the match-up for Nick Daicos.
Losing Cincotta has really hurt us.

[6] I'm not sure if it all about our coaching, but our players can be seriously stupid sometimes.
(a) Lachie Cowan had some moment tonight that were just diabolical. Instead of taking the first option, he ran himself into trouble and screwed up.
(b) Adam Cerra wasn't far behind him. His decision making under pressure was dreadful, as was his kicking. He panicked, and it cost us goals.
(c) Kemp also stood out, fumbling marks he was taking early, falling over his own feet ... I just don't want to think about the rest.
(d) Although he wasn't bad tonight, H can be like that. He goes to ground too easily too often and his decision making can be dreadful. But tonight he was pretty good, but for his kicking. he needs to go back and get his kicking right before he loses us another game.

[7] Free kick to H, directly in front in the last quarter? Of course not. He's taken off with concussion and he doesn't get a too-high free.
I could go on about the umpires, but I've written enough about these guys. I'm over them. When we play well enough, we can go back to ignoring the stupid decisions they make.

[8] We probably lost the game by depending of Lewis Young as a 2nd ruck. I thought he wasn't bad, for the most part, but he was slaughtered in the ruck. It was the difference between winning and losing.

[9] I know Pitto works like a Trojan every week, but other rucks can lift in the last quarter and change the game. Pitto can't. When Steene got on top for those first 8 minutes, Collingwood got the ball out of middle quickly and we couldn't stop them.

Great post
Michael Voss has only survived because 3 (can’t kick for goal), 5 (no run with player with pace/strength), 6(repeated poor decision making) and 9 (no ruck man) is what he’s working with.

Arguably 5 could be addressed by a good system/coach but we’re a mess. A good side would have smashed Collingwood tonight.

Arguably 5 could be addressed by a good system/coach but we’re a mess. A good side would have smashed Collingwood tonight.

Quote from: JonDorotich – on April 17, 2026, 07:13:34 am

Great post
Michael Voss has only survived because 3 (can’t kick for goal), 5 (no run with player with pace/strength), 6(repeated poor decision making) and 9 (no ruck man) is what he’s working with.

Arguably 5 could be addressed by a good system/coach but we’re a mess. A good side would have smashed Collingwood tonight.

We are bottom 4 if not bottom 2.

I normally dont post when Im angry and emotional but that one will just about see me out. We are just a terrible football side with zero ability to close out a game. Oppo know we will crap the bed, we supporters know it and most sad of all, the players know it.
At the start of the last quarter, we had our "best" quartet in the centre and we got taken to the cleaners by a novice ruckman and N Daicos three times in a row. It's at that point that I got up and left in utter disgust. I have been patient and said I'd stay the course but I dont think I can any more. This is not the Carlton I grew up adoring.

Feel your pain, brother GTC. At this stage, we're a shell of the club we grew up with and the brunt of way too many jokes.

Quote from: LordLucifer – on April 16, 2026, 10:45:00 pm

Just found this online, have a look and you tell me ......... is Hollands off his dial here ??

https://x.com/tommorris32/status/2044752407306109009?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E2044752407306109009%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=

This explains the 0 stats IMO.

Pinging, for sure.    Send him back to rehab.    Another CFC  recruiting success story.    Voss and Austin need to get their resumes ready..       This club is a fn basket case.

The more I think about out season, the more laughable it becomes. Not only did we capitulate again, we manage to find new ways to shine the spotlight on ourselves and embarrass our club even further. To play a guy whose welfare was clearly compromised is a new low for me. You just could not make this stuff up if you tried. Spare a thought for Ollie as well here, he is watching this from the front row and must be heartbreaking for him.

Turn it up Baggers.

Caffeine, alcohol, mental health, how many more made up excuses are we going to give him?

He shouldnt have been allowed to play and I'm not sure what our medicos were thinking letting him take the field. He must have been displaying symptoms in the dressing room and surely he is one player they would be asking are you right to go. He actually could have got badly hurt wandering around confused and dazed like he was.

Quote from: Baggers – on April 17, 2026, 08:13:48 am

Feel your pain, brother GTC. At this stage, we're a shell of the club we grew up with and the brunt of way too many jokes.

@Baggers this stuff is self-perpetuating if you let it, you of all people here on this forum should know that.

Want to know what it feels like to have the Colliwobbles, the putting yips, now you do!

The only way through this is to stick fat, the exact opposite of what most are calling for, this is the front line and it needs quiet controlled and undivided unity to move forward step by step.

We can't be the chaotic numpty waging war against opponents and allies alike, we have to be calm, cold and deliberate like the SAS.

Thought Harry was much better this week and was probably infringed every time he went for a mark.

According to Jon Ralph the clubs official position on Elijah is he had an" off night"...

Quote from: Gointocarlton – on April 17, 2026, 07:58:07 am

The more I think about out season, the more laughable it becomes. Not only did we capitulate again, we manage to find new ways to shine the spotlight on ourselves and embarrass our club even further. To play a guy whose welfare was clearly compromised is a new low for me. You just could not make this stuff up if you tried. Spare a thought for Ollie as well here, he is watching this from the front row and must be heartbreaking for him.

This!

Can we please park our emotions about Elijah? To me the more i think of it and the vision Ive seen, this is screwing terrifying for that kid. And for the club to put him out and leave him out there in front of 90k, is an absolute disgrace!  As i said previously, I noticed in the first that he didd something odd! Yet hes left on and vilified in the media about having no possessions and having really odd movements! And if I saw it from Row W in the first 10 mins, how the hell did the club let that continue.

And not only that, we throw his brother on the best player in the comp after hes run himself ragged all game, to try and stem Daicos’ influence / which he cant because Daicos was never going to play a complete crap game for his 100th! Now Ollie is getting hammered too.

I wonder if the club did this intentionally, putting and leaving E out there? I just cant see why they did!  I am a hell of a lot angrier about this than the loss!

Ffs!   Poor family! Imagine mum and dad watching this and as you said, poor Ollie on the ground!

Atm i friggen hate this club!

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on April 17, 2026, 10:15:57 am

According to Jon Ralph the clubs official position on Elijah is he had an" off night"...

So he's obviously playing next week then lol.

If we swapped the Daicos bros for the Hollands we would have won by 15 goals.

Team mates didn't want a bar of him after the match.

His career is over. Again lol.

Looks like it was a mental health issue. Heart rate very elevated throughput the game, sleeping an issue. Looks like one issue we have to be sensitive the way we approach it. Looks like it's a real issue. Not sure if he is manic/depressive and we got a manic episode last night. As I said,  I remember Rhett Baynes.

As I said,  I remember Rhett Baynes.

Addiction is a mental health issue im told. Just a nicer way of saying it

HTF did it take to late in the last quarter from them to think maybe there is an issue here.

Looks like it was a mental health issue. Heart rate very elevated throughput the game, sleeping an issue. Looks like one issue we have to be sensitive the way we approach it. Looks like it's a real issue. Not sure if he is manic/depressive and we got a manic episode last night. As I said,  I remember Rhett Baynes.

Quote from: shawny – on April 17, 2026, 10:39:46 am

HTF did it take to late in the last quarter from them to think maybe there is an issue here.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DXNV9wrk_wY/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Someone in the stands took this video of the pre-game warm-up, how that slipped through the net beggars belief. 

I agree Lods. The math ain't mathin' wrt Elijah. There's clearly more to the story than meets the eye.

As to the game, another one where we snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. A kid barely out of nappies misses 2 shots on goal, the best player in the comp needs to put on a clinic to get his team over the line, we had one player looking out of sorts, and we lose by 5 points to a coach who is supposedly a master motivator and master tactician.

The only reasonable conclusion from this is that we need a new football department. In fact, I would implore the club to create two new football departments, just to be on the safe side.

You have to ask what was he doing on the field?

The AFL should investigate both player and club as it was a serious breach of care imo.

Quote from: laj – on April 17, 2026, 10:38:31 am

Looks like it was a mental health issue. Heart rate very elevated throughput the game, sleeping an issue. Looks like one issue we have to be sensitive the way we approach it. Looks like it's a real issue. Not sure if he is manic/depressive and we got a manic episode last night. As I said,  I remember Rhett Baynes.

You have to ask what was he doing on the field? We have all this focus on concussion and looking for symptoms, passing tests etc and Elijah clearly wasn't right and even the general public could see he needed help  yet he is allowed to continue.
The AFL should investigate both player and club as it was a serious breach of care imo.
Put yourself in the parents position seeing your son in that state on a football field and it should never happen again...

My only conclusion today EB is that the medical staff thought it best he be out there with his team mates. Up until 3/4 time he spent 84% TOG. They rested him in the forth and ended up on 60%.

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on April 17, 2026, 10:48:05 am

You have to ask what was he doing on the field? We have all this focus on concussion and looking for symptoms, passing tests etc and Elijah clearly wasn't right and even the general public could see he needed help  yet he is allowed to continue.
The AFL should investigate both player and club as it was a serious breach of care imo.
Put yourself in the parents position seeing your son in that state on a football field and it should never happen again...

My only conclusion today EB is that the medical staff thought it best he be out there with his team mates. Up until 3/4 time he spent 84% TOG. They rested him in the forth and ended up on 60%.

Quote from: Bluesers – on April 16, 2026, 10:55:26 pm

Pinging, for sure.    Send him back to rehab.    Another CFC  recruiting success story.    Voss and Austin need to get their resumes ready..       This club is a fn basket case.

"Pinging, for sure." No. Not what I saw, I saw someone disoriented.

IF he has an anxiety issue and on appropriate prescription medication (SSRI?) then given a caffeine tablet... Oh dear!

Just an IF, an alternate explanation to hysterical assumptions and burying the kid.

IF this is the case... well, caffeine is a natural enemy of anxiety and can cause serious side-effects, even disorientation and serotonin syndrome BUT you'd expect the club to be right across that.

Quote from: laj – on April 17, 2026, 10:38:31 am

Looks like it was a mental health issue. Heart rate very elevated throughput the game, sleeping an issue. Looks like one issue we have to be sensitive the way we approach it. Looks like it's a real issue. Not sure if he is manic/depressive and we got a manic episode last night. As I said,  I remember Rhett Baynes.

Addiction is a mental health issue im told. Just a nicer way of saying it

Quote from: Baggers – on April 17, 2026, 08:40:01 am

"Pinging, for sure." No. Not what I saw, I saw someone disoriented.

IF he has an anxiety issue and on appropriate prescription medication (SSRI?) then given a caffeine tablet... Oh dear!

Just an IF, an alternate explanation to hysterical assumptions and burying the kid.

IF this is the case... well, caffeine is a natural enemy of anxiety and can cause serious side-effects, even disorientation and serotonin syndrome BUT you'd expect the club to be right across that.

I'm not aware of any hysterical assumptions,  but we can only make  assumptions based on what we saw and heard from that game and the vision of his behaviour is definitely of a person acting very abnormally.    Serious questions need to be asked of CFC coaches as to why they allowed him to be onfield for 90 minutes in that state...   Surely they, and/or some of the senior players must've noticed his unusual behaviour way before 3/4 time.    He is damaged goods and should never have been re-signed.    Once again MV must take responsibilty for this fiasco - he should fall on his sword before he is pushed...

Just watched the whole game, which I don't usually do when we lose, but I had to make sure about whether Hollands did get a kick in and I think the only time it may have happened was in the 3rd around the HBF boundary line where there was a scramble and the ball ended up going over the line. He may have got a feather kick in there but definitely not 100% on that. Also while he was responsible for the 1st 666 warning he was on the bench when the 2nd infringement (which ultimately resulted in a goal) occurred.
Still he did look a bit "weird" during general play. He was waving around his arms nearly all game? Very strange.
Thought for most of the game we once again had a crack but the same old problems surfaced. Ball use, decision making, accuracy in front of goal, broken tackles and bad coaching.

No Harry this week, which is a shame as he had a good game (apart from the goal kicking) I thought so can see us getting a spanking against Freo.

I would sound out Mark Williams and hire him as:
- Our kicking coach
- A mentor for Elijah
He did it with Dusty (mentoring) and knows how to teach kicking. We are the worst kicking team in the comp and it needs specialist assistance and he is the best in the business. The other person is the dude Petracca hired but I dont know how it is.

Quote from: Gointocarlton – on April 17, 2026, 11:00:01 am

My only conclusion today EB is that the medical staff thought it best he be out there with his team mates. Up until 3/4 time he spent 84% TOG. They rested him in the forth and ended up on 60%.

That is probably the answer, they thought it would help him. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to have been the correct call.
The question then is obvious: was there a better option? Who decides?

Quote from: Bluesers – on April 17, 2026, 11:07:18 am

I'm not aware of any hysterical assumptions,  but we can only make  assumptions based on what we saw and heard from that game and the vision of his behaviour is definitely of a person acting very abnormally.    Serious questions need to be asked of CFC coaches as to why they allowed him to be onfield for 90 minutes in that state...   Surely they, and/or some of the senior players must've noticed his unusual behaviour way before 3/4 time.    He is damaged goods and should never have been re-signed.    Once again MV must take responsibilty for this fiasco - he should fall on his sword before he is pushed...

Voss is ultimately responsible, but I think its not fair to lay this at his feet.  Elijah is an adult, responsible for himself.  Where are the leaders in the team making sure this gets the appropriate attention?  Where are the line coaches under Voss telling him that Elijah is not right to play?

Why is the senior coach the one who is in the gun here for the failings of every level?

Our club is a disgrace off field.  Its all good, Brian Cook fixed us...  The club has systemic issues that sit outside of the coach regarding standards, and behaviour, and about the only person exhibiting the right stuff is the guy in the coaches box.

Just watched the whole game, which I don't usually do when we lose, but I had to make sure about whether Hollands did get a kick in and I think the only time it may have happened was in the 3rd around the HBF boundary line where there was a scramble and the ball ended up going over the line. He may have got a feather kick in there but definitely not 100% on that. Also while he was responsible for the 1st 666 warning he was on the bench when the 2nd infringement (which ultimately resulted in a goal) occurred.
Still he did look a bit "weird" during general play. He was waving around his arms nearly all game? Very strange.
Thought for most of the game we once again had a crack but the same old problems surfaced. Ball use, decision making, accuracy in front of goal, broken tackles and bad coaching.

No Harry this week, which is a shame as he had a good game (apart from the goal kicking) I thought so can see us getting a spanking against Freo.

Start of the 3rd.   3 very shots at goal that should be converted.   Cerra, Kemp and McKay.    Think Kemp was 30 out slight angle.

Kick those and we are 30 odd points up.   Ball goes down the other end and Elliott goals.

Walsh did similar in the Melbourne game.   Missed a sitter and Langdon goals.

We haven't been able for over 2-3 years been able to stop of slow the momentum and concede 3-5 goals quickly.   

We probably lost the game by depending of Lewis Young as a 2nd ruck. I thought he wasn't bad, for the most part, but he was slaughtered in the ruck. It was the difference between winning and losing.

I know Pitto works like a Trojan every week, but other rucks can lift in the last quarter and change the game. Pitto can't. When Steene got on top for those first 8 minutes, Collingwood got the ball out of middle quickly and we couldn't stop them.

Team mates didn't want a bar of him after the match.

Young did better than Pittonet in the last term.

Quote from: Bluesers – on April 17, 2026, 11:07:18 am

I'm not aware of any hysterical assumptions,  but we can only make  assumptions based on what we saw and heard from that game and the vision of his behaviour is definitely of a person acting very abnormally.    Serious questions need to be asked of CFC coaches as to why they allowed him to be onfield for 90 minutes in that state...   Surely they, and/or some of the senior players must've noticed his unusual behaviour way before 3/4 time.    He is damaged goods and should never have been re-signed.    Once again MV must take responsibilty for this fiasco - he should fall on his sword before he is pushed...

Voss is ultimately responsible, but I think its not fair to lay this at his feet.  Elijah is an adult, responsible for himself.  Where are the leaders in the team making sure this gets the appropriate attention?  Where are the line coaches under Voss telling him that Elijah is not right to play?

Why is the senior coach the one who is in the gun here for the failings of every level?

Our club is a disgrace off field.  Its all good, Brian Cook fixed us...  The club has systemic issues that sit outside of the coach regarding standards, and behaviour, and about the only person exhibiting the right stuff is the guy in the coaches box.

Quote from: madbluboy – on April 17, 2026, 10:23:09 am

Team mates didn't want a bar of him after the match.

If he has the problems they are saying he has, and if his team mates did in fact bail out on him, thats pretty ordinary in my book.

Start of the 3rd.   3 very shots at goal that should be converted.   Cerra, Kemp and McKay.    Think Kemp was 30 out slight angle.

Kick those and we are 30 odd points up.   Ball goes down the other end and Elliott goals.

Walsh did similar in the Melbourne game.   Missed a sitter and Langdon goals.

We haven't been able for over 2-3 years been able to stop of slow the momentum and concede 3-5 goals quickly.   

Quote from: Shakin77 – on April 17, 2026, 05:05:47 pm

Start of the 3rd.   3 very shots at goal that should be converted.   Cerra, Kemp and McKay.    Think Kemp was 30 out slight angle.

Kick those and we are 30 odd points up.   Ball goes down the other end and Elliott goals.

Walsh did similar in the Melbourne game.   Missed a sitter and Langdon goals.

We haven't been able for over 2-3 years been able to stop of slow the momentum and concede 3-5 goals quickly.   

That happens so often, and often in the 3rd qtr that we attack, kick point after point, then the other goes forward once, kicks a goal and we seems to drop our heads, allowing a flow of goals.