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Title: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: crashlander on April 16, 2026, 09:38:13 am
I normally have huge problems getting to sleep after a night game. Just pone of the reasons I hate Thursday night games. I might like them more if we won sometimes.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: laj on April 16, 2026, 10:26:46 pm
Pies 6 goals until 3/4 time, 5 in the first 8 min of the 4th.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: BluePhantom on April 16, 2026, 10:27:43 pm
There's always next decade!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: LP on April 16, 2026, 10:29:47 pm
No side can miss so many set shots from within 30m and win, no matter what else happens.
We basically kept them in the game, we should have been 7 goals up not just 3. I think at one stage we kicked 1-5 from what should be 50/50.
Byrne is now probably damaged goods, he'll need support to survive that, but look who is around him at our club to help steady those wobbles!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 16, 2026, 10:34:13 pm
I normally dont post when Im angry and emotional but that one will just about see me out. We are just a terrible football side with zero ability to close out a game. Oppo know we will crap the bed, we supporters know it and most sad of all, the players know it. At the start of the last quarter, we had our "best" quartet in the centre and we got taken to the cleaners by a novice ruckman and N Daicos three times in a row. It's at that point that I got up and left in utter disgust. I have been patient and said I'd stay the course but I dont think I can any more. This is not the Carlton I grew up adoring.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Professer E on April 16, 2026, 10:42:55 pm
When you get beaten by the usual suspects yet again - Daicos, Elliot, Howe etc it just reinforces that Voss and his "support" are clueless. No planning whatsoever. I don't want to sack another coach but he has no idea. Chuck in a senior group lacking a skerrick of leadership and a swag of passengers and we're looking at a three win season - if we're lucky. The last quarter we all knew was inevitable - it's at the point where we may as well hand the keys in, I don't think this club is ever going to recover.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: LordLucifer on April 16, 2026, 10:45:00 pm
Just found this online, have a look and you tell me ......... is Hollands off his dial here ??
When you get beaten by the usual suspects yet again - Daicos, Elliot, Howe etc it just reinforces that Voss and his "support" are clueless. No planning whatsoever. I don't want to sack another coach but he has no idea. Chuck in a senior group lacking a skerrick of leadership and a swag of passengers and we're looking at a three win season - if we're lucky. The last quarter we all knew was inevitable - it's at the point where we may as well hand the keys in, I don't think this club is ever going to recover.
I thought I was starting to see a faint light at the end of the tunnel but sadly the light has gone out...again.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Professer E on April 16, 2026, 10:47:18 pm
Drug test him then. If positive...ta ta.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: blueday on April 16, 2026, 10:49:35 pm
Walked out with ten to go, so obvious what was happening. The same people to the centre bounce, beaten again and again. The coach doesn't adapt. He's going to roll out the same dribble at the presser and reinforce the same crap that does not work. The sooner he goes the better. Weitering stand and point while he man takes easy lead up marks. Their isn't a football brain at the club. Blow it up, all of it.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 16, 2026, 10:52:48 pm
Pinging, for sure. Send him back to rehab. Another CFC recruiting success story. Voss and Austin need to get their resumes ready.. This club is a fn basket case.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Professer E on April 16, 2026, 10:57:56 pm
I would have given my left one for Byrne to have drilled that shot, there just isn't ever any joy with this mob is there.
This Hollands thing needs to be investigated surely this bloke couldn't be that stupid ?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: BluePhantom on April 16, 2026, 10:58:13 pm
Not blaming Byrne but he kicked to where he was running to.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 16, 2026, 10:58:29 pm
Elijah still recovering from his gather round bender with his old mates. Delist.
If he is a hair test will soon find out. If not, it is a real worry.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: LordLucifer on April 16, 2026, 11:22:07 pm
A post on FB :
"Jon Ralph spoke to Carlton - they said he's been dealing with anxiety, and it's a sensitive issue that the club will work through. However, Pies players said that Hollands was saying to them "im not 100%"."
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 16, 2026, 11:24:24 pm
"Jon Ralph spoke to Carlton - they said he's been dealing with anxiety, and it's a sensitive issue that the club will work through. However, Pies players said that Hollands was saying to them "im not 100%"."
Is that what its called these days? They moved away from "hamstring awareness"?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: shawny on April 16, 2026, 11:26:10 pm
last we will see of E Hollands. HTF the club didnt know and he played the full game is astounding
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Professer E on April 16, 2026, 11:27:03 pm
Sorry, I've got zero tolerance for blokes on second chances. We needed him tonight and he screwing checked out leaving us, critically, a man short. F him.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Bluesers on April 16, 2026, 11:29:41 pm
"Jon Ralph spoke to Carlton - they said he's been dealing with anxiety, and it's a sensitive issue that the club will work through. However, Pies players said that Hollands was saying to them "im not 100%"."
"anxiety" sure.... code words for he's back on the good stuff, but it's private, we can't tell you anything. fm, why did these idiots bother re-contracting him
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Professer E on April 16, 2026, 11:32:27 pm
Let himself, his team mates, the club and US down...embarassed us all on a big night. Yet again, Carlton in crisis will fill the next week's news cycle...headed by this grub.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: JonDorotich on April 16, 2026, 11:34:17 pm
Putting aside speculation about whether Elijah Hollands was high or drunk, the more fundamental issue is that why he and his brother are getting a game in the first place.
And to think that our coach thought that it was a good idea to put Oliver Hollands, who I genuinely believe would not get a game at any other club, onto Nick Daicos in full flight tells you everything that you need to know - we’re clueless.
Add to those issues, we do not have an AFL quality ruck (Steene took Pittonet to the cleaners like Gawn), we have no pace, no hard edge, not many athletes & not many great decision makers. List cloggers as far as the eye can see and right now we don’t have 1 A grader.
They say that it’s darkest before the dawn - don’t think it can get much darker.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: madbluboy on April 16, 2026, 11:37:20 pm
Sad part is Elijah has been our bedt player this year.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on April 16, 2026, 11:38:55 pm
When you get beaten by the usual suspects yet again - Daicos, Elliot, Howe etc it just reinforces that Voss and his "support" are clueless. No planning whatsoever. I don't want to sack another coach but he has no idea. Chuck in a senior group lacking a skerrick of leadership and a swag of passengers and we're looking at a three win season - if we're lucky. The last quarter we all knew was inevitable - it's at the point where we may as well hand the keys in, I don't think this club is ever going to recover.
Yep if you cant contain the Daicos kids then you are up against it and I was surprised to see OllieH on Nick and it didnt end well, Ollie is a trier but not at either Daicos level and his brother Elijah looked like he was at a rock concert and badly affected by something.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: shawny on April 16, 2026, 11:41:17 pm
just heard the 666 penalty was caused by E hollands.
and just saw footage of him after the game and he was pinging.
just when you thought we couldn’t embarrass ourself anymore think again.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: rocky on April 16, 2026, 11:45:45 pm
I know many are gonna say elijah was off his chops but ive heard that meds can do some weird things to people.
Should have been removed from the field in the first qtr, put away for the night and taken into the rooms and treated for whatever he was suffering and help him settle down. It should not have been allowed to play out in front of 78,000 people for 4 qtrs IMO.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: MickyO on April 17, 2026, 12:19:27 am
I know many are gonna say elijah was off his chops but ive heard that meds can do some weird things to people.
Should have been removed from the field in the first qtr, put away for the night and taken into the rooms and treated for whatever he was suffering and help him settle down. It should not have been allowed to play out in front of 78,000 people for 4 qtrs IMO.
Agree i was there at ground level and there was a moment he sort of did a roll on the ground and jumped up and it looked NQR big time. I was with a Pies supporter friend so didnt pay full attention to the game but that thing from Elijah early in the game really stood out to me as WTF!
I dont know how I feel: we had that game won But dont put those set shots away and collingwood do. Daicos was always going to get off the leash it was his 100th and he has great stamina.
Really felt for Byrne at the end, just for himself, poor kid.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 17, 2026, 12:22:35 am
Like we have in every game we've played this year...until we haven't.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: MickyO on April 17, 2026, 12:25:42 am
Re elijah, how on earth did the club leave him on for 60% game time when he wasnt getting to it? How?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: crashlander on April 17, 2026, 12:53:55 am
Got back not long ago. Not happy. Another game we threw away.
[1] At least we did come back after we'd been pounded in the first 8 minutes of the last quarter. The result should have been a draw, although we were the better team for all but about 8 minutes.
[2] We seriously need a new coach. I'm sure we'll get one at season's end. We were out-coached when it mattered by half a Collingwood side. Why? We do not learn. If we can see the issues we have for more than a year, and none of them appear to have been addressed, you ask what the problem is.
[3] I am seriously disappointed with Talor Byrne tonight. He did some good thing, promising things, but when it mattered he really failed to stand up. Three shots at goal from no more than 40 m for 2 points, including the last, when it mattered, were critical. Unfortunately, he wasn't alone. H kicked 1 goal 4 after dominating his position. That just isn't good enough for a professional key forward. I don't want to dump on Matt Carroll, because he played a good game, but in the last quarter he had a couple of shots for nothing. He is normally a good kick, but he really missed when it was important. Brodie Kemp: kicks the hard ones, but can't kick them from 20 out directly in front.
[4] I don't want to touch the Elijah Hollands matter. I've had anxiety issues: when it is really bad, you can't get out of bed, let alone play decent football. If he was that screwed up, we should never have played him. Flynn Young was available.
[5] Ollie Hollands is not a run-with player. he was given the job and came up really short. Daicos killed him when it mattered. His last quarter was like Walsh's 1st quarter last week: the difference. We need very badly to recruit or develop a really athletic run-with player who can keep the opposition's best mids out of the game. At the moment, we don't have one. Lord sometimes get the job, and he can do it well against anyone is similar speed. He wouldn't have been the match-up for Nick Daicos. Losing Cincotta has really hurt us.
[6] I'm not sure if it all about our coaching, but our players can be seriously stupid sometimes. (a) Lachie Cowan had some moment tonight that were just diabolical. Instead of taking the first option, he ran himself into trouble and screwed up. (b) Adam Cerra wasn't far behind him. His decision making under pressure was dreadful, as was his kicking. He panicked, and it cost us goals. (c) Kemp also stood out, fumbling marks he was taking early, falling over his own feet ... I just don't want to think about the rest. (d) Although he wasn't bad tonight, H can be like that. He goes to ground too easily too often and his decision making can be dreadful. But tonight he was pretty good, but for his kicking. he needs to go back and get his kicking right before he loses us another game.
[7] Free kick to H, directly in front in the last quarter? Of course not. He's taken off with concussion and he doesn't get a too-high free. I could go on about the umpires, but I've written enough about these guys. I'm over them. When we play well enough, we can go back to ignoring the stupid decisions they make.
[8] We probably lost the game by depending of Lewis Young as a 2nd ruck. I thought he wasn't bad, for the most part, but he was slaughtered in the ruck. It was the difference between winning and losing.
[9] I know Pitto works like a Trojan every week, but other rucks can lift in the last quarter and change the game. Pitto can't. When Steene got on top for those first 8 minutes, Collingwood got the ball out of middle quickly and we couldn't stop them.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: crashlander on April 17, 2026, 01:17:22 am
When we get our new coach, we are going to have a lot a lot of trades. [1] Because too many of players cannot complete simple skills, whether they are under pressure or not. [2] Too many of our players are physically weak and unable to run in the manner that the modern game requires. [3] We need to recruit a young ruckman of the leaping variety, assuming the rules are not changed. We do not have top ruckman, no matter how hard Marc Pittonet works. He can only do so much. To be honest, we haven't had a premier ruckman for a long time. Matthew Kreuzer was the closest, but his career was ruined by injury. Sauce Jacobs we let go. Hampson never quite made it, even with his extreme athleticism. Robert Warnock was the best, in a lot of ways, as he tended to lift in important games, even though he struggled to mark the ball. Injury ruined him too.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: tex on April 17, 2026, 06:03:11 am
Gee that’s incredibly disappointing as he’d been our best player last few weeks. Just sad.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: BluePhantom on April 17, 2026, 06:57:51 am
I saw why we got Hayward, did a lot of good things. Daicos, 39 pos? WTF? Ollie is an outside link player not a grunt. Why is our MC and coaching group always so frustrating.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 17, 2026, 07:00:55 am
Got back not long ago. Not happy. Another game we threw away.
[1] At least we did come back after we'd been pounded in the first 8 minutes of the last quarter. The result should have been a draw, although we were the better team for all but about 8 minutes.
[2] We seriously need a new coach. I'm sure we'll get one at season's end. We were out-coached when it mattered by half a Collingwood side. Why? We do not learn. If we can see the issues we have for more than a year, and none of them appear to have been addressed, you ask what the problem is.
[3] I am seriously disappointed with Talor Byrne tonight. He did some good thing, promising things, but when it mattered he really failed to stand up. Three shots at goal from no more than 40 m for 2 points, including the last, when it mattered, were critical. Unfortunately, he wasn't alone. H kicked 1 goal 4 after dominating his position. That just isn't good enough for a professional key forward. I don't want to dump on Matt Carroll, because he played a good game, but in the last quarter he had a couple of shots for nothing. He is normally a good kick, but he really missed when it was important. Brodie Kemp: kicks the hard ones, but can't kick them from 20 out directly in front.
[4] I don't want to touch the Elijah Hollands matter. I've had anxiety issues: when it is really bad, you can't get out of bed, let alone play decent football. If he was that screwed up, we should never have played him. Flynn Young was available.
[5] Ollie Hollands is not a run-with player. he was given the job and came up really short. Daicos killed him when it mattered. His last quarter was like Walsh's 1st quarter last week: the difference. We need very badly to recruit or develop a really athletic run-with player who can keep the opposition's best mids out of the game. At the moment, we don't have one. Lord sometimes get the job, and he can do it well against anyone is similar speed. He wouldn't have been the match-up for Nick Daicos. Losing Cincotta has really hurt us.
[6] I'm not sure if it all about our coaching, but our players can be seriously stupid sometimes. (a) Lachie Cowan had some moment tonight that were just diabolical. Instead of taking the first option, he ran himself into trouble and screwed up. (b) Adam Cerra wasn't far behind him. His decision making under pressure was dreadful, as was his kicking. He panicked, and it cost us goals. (c) Kemp also stood out, fumbling marks he was taking early, falling over his own feet ... I just don't want to think about the rest. (d) Although he wasn't bad tonight, H can be like that. He goes to ground too easily too often and his decision making can be dreadful. But tonight he was pretty good, but for his kicking. he needs to go back and get his kicking right before he loses us another game.
[7] Free kick to H, directly in front in the last quarter? Of course not. He's taken off with concussion and he doesn't get a too-high free. I could go on about the umpires, but I've written enough about these guys. I'm over them. When we play well enough, we can go back to ignoring the stupid decisions they make.
[8] We probably lost the game by depending of Lewis Young as a 2nd ruck. I thought he wasn't bad, for the most part, but he was slaughtered in the ruck. It was the difference between winning and losing.
[9] I know Pitto works like a Trojan every week, but other rucks can lift in the last quarter and change the game. Pitto can't. When Steene got on top for those first 8 minutes, Collingwood got the ball out of middle quickly and we couldn't stop them.
Spot on crash, ironically they beat us in 8 minutes with OUR one wood tactic.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 17, 2026, 07:02:00 am
I saw why we got Hayward, did a lot of good things. Daicos, 39 pos? WTF? Ollie is an outside link player not a grunt. Why is our MC and coaching group always so frustrating.
Oliie's disposal is attrocious more often than not.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: kruddler on April 17, 2026, 07:05:11 am
Sad part is Elijah has been our bedt player this year.
Hes llayed 1 good game, maybe 2, but was terrible to the point he shouldve been dropped.
He had played 75% game time up to 3/4 time iirc.
Tog by 1/4 87% 83% 55% 25%
Ended with 1 posession which got a 1m gain in the 3rd quarter. Id looked at 3/4 time and he still had donuts. Maybe the afl gifted him a touch in an attempt to hide the problem?
Saw vision of him on the bench in the last quarter sitting alone. He looked to be gesturing and motioning to himself. You know the way they portray crazy people in movies? Was definitely not right.
Commentators on the night said elijah didn't know where he is supposed to be. Which was after the 6 6 6 warning.
The footage shown already and there is more.
I hope this is the last time we see him in navy blue.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: JonDorotich on April 17, 2026, 07:13:34 am
Got back not long ago. Not happy. Another game we threw away.
[1] At least we did come back after we'd been pounded in the first 8 minutes of the last quarter. The result should have been a draw, although we were the better team for all but about 8 minutes.
[2] We seriously need a new coach. I'm sure we'll get one at season's end. We were out-coached when it mattered by half a Collingwood side. Why? We do not learn. If we can see the issues we have for more than a year, and none of them appear to have been addressed, you ask what the problem is.
[3] I am seriously disappointed with Talor Byrne tonight. He did some good thing, promising things, but when it mattered he really failed to stand up. Three shots at goal from no more than 40 m for 2 points, including the last, when it mattered, were critical. Unfortunately, he wasn't alone. H kicked 1 goal 4 after dominating his position. That just isn't good enough for a professional key forward. I don't want to dump on Matt Carroll, because he played a good game, but in the last quarter he had a couple of shots for nothing. He is normally a good kick, but he really missed when it was important. Brodie Kemp: kicks the hard ones, but can't kick them from 20 out directly in front.
[4] I don't want to touch the Elijah Hollands matter. I've had anxiety issues: when it is really bad, you can't get out of bed, let alone play decent football. If he was that screwed up, we should never have played him. Flynn Young was available.
[5] Ollie Hollands is not a run-with player. he was given the job and came up really short. Daicos killed him when it mattered. His last quarter was like Walsh's 1st quarter last week: the difference. We need very badly to recruit or develop a really athletic run-with player who can keep the opposition's best mids out of the game. At the moment, we don't have one. Lord sometimes get the job, and he can do it well against anyone is similar speed. He wouldn't have been the match-up for Nick Daicos. Losing Cincotta has really hurt us.
[6] I'm not sure if it all about our coaching, but our players can be seriously stupid sometimes. (a) Lachie Cowan had some moment tonight that were just diabolical. Instead of taking the first option, he ran himself into trouble and screwed up. (b) Adam Cerra wasn't far behind him. His decision making under pressure was dreadful, as was his kicking. He panicked, and it cost us goals. (c) Kemp also stood out, fumbling marks he was taking early, falling over his own feet ... I just don't want to think about the rest. (d) Although he wasn't bad tonight, H can be like that. He goes to ground too easily too often and his decision making can be dreadful. But tonight he was pretty good, but for his kicking. he needs to go back and get his kicking right before he loses us another game.
[7] Free kick to H, directly in front in the last quarter? Of course not. He's taken off with concussion and he doesn't get a too-high free. I could go on about the umpires, but I've written enough about these guys. I'm over them. When we play well enough, we can go back to ignoring the stupid decisions they make.
[8] We probably lost the game by depending of Lewis Young as a 2nd ruck. I thought he wasn't bad, for the most part, but he was slaughtered in the ruck. It was the difference between winning and losing.
[9] I know Pitto works like a Trojan every week, but other rucks can lift in the last quarter and change the game. Pitto can't. When Steene got on top for those first 8 minutes, Collingwood got the ball out of middle quickly and we couldn't stop them.
Great post Michael Voss has only survived because 3 (can’t kick for goal), 5 (no run with player with pace/strength), 6(repeated poor decision making) and 9 (no ruck man) is what he’s working with.
Arguably 6 could be addressed by a good system/coach but we’re a mess. A good side would have smashed Collingwood tonight.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 17, 2026, 07:27:04 am
Great post Michael Voss has only survived because 3 (can’t kick for goal), 5 (no run with player with pace/strength), 6(repeated poor decision making) and 9 (no ruck man) is what he’s working with.
Arguably 5 could be addressed by a good system/coach but we’re a mess. A good side would have smashed Collingwood tonight.
We are bottom 4 if not bottom 2.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: LP on April 17, 2026, 07:41:02 am
Arguably 5 could be addressed by a good system/coach but we’re a mess. A good side would have smashed Collingwood tonight.
What we saw tonight is typical of the broader AFL standard for 2026, it's a consequence of the continuous play and fatigue being caused by the new rules and interpretations.
All the teams are exhibiting shocking skill levels, the game is being dragged into a new low.
The key difference between the top and the bottom is not the amount of errors they make, it's that those at the top are much better at making opponents pay for those mistakes.
It's been a huge mistake leaving the rules of the game and the implementation of those rules in the hands of the AFL. If anything is needed, it's for amateur footy to wrestle back control of the sports rules and bring footy back.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 17, 2026, 07:58:07 am
The more I think about out season, the more laughable it becomes. Not only did we capitulate again, we manage to find new ways to shine the spotlight on ourselves and embarrass our club even further. To play a guy whose welfare was clearly compromised is a new low for me. You just could not make this stuff up if you tried. Spare a thought for Ollie as well here, he is watching this from the front row and must be heartbreaking for him.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: JonDorotich on April 17, 2026, 08:08:14 am
Great post Michael Voss has only survived because 3 (can’t kick for goal), 5 (no run with player with pace/strength), 6(repeated poor decision making) and 9 (no ruck man) is what he’s working with.
Arguably 5 could be addressed by a good system/coach but we’re a mess. A good side would have smashed Collingwood tonight.
We are bottom 4 if not bottom 2.
Or worse, bottom.
Also meant that point 6 rather than 5 could be addressed by a coach as we never really seem to know what to do next - our kick ins all year are a great example of this
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Baggers on April 17, 2026, 08:13:48 am
I normally dont post when Im angry and emotional but that one will just about see me out. We are just a terrible football side with zero ability to close out a game. Oppo know we will crap the bed, we supporters know it and most sad of all, the players know it. At the start of the last quarter, we had our "best" quartet in the centre and we got taken to the cleaners by a novice ruckman and N Daicos three times in a row. It's at that point that I got up and left in utter disgust. I have been patient and said I'd stay the course but I dont think I can any more. This is not the Carlton I grew up adoring.
Feel your pain, brother GTC. At this stage, we're a shell of the club we grew up with and the brunt of way too many jokes.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: LP on April 17, 2026, 08:24:41 am
Feel your pain, brother GTC. At this stage, we're a shell of the club we grew up with and the brunt of way too many jokes.
@Baggers this stuff is self-perpetuating if you let it, you of all people here on this forum should know that.
Want to know what it feels like to have the Colliwobbles, the putting yips, now you do!
The only way through this is to stick fat, the exact opposite of what most are calling for, this is the front line and it needs quiet controlled and undivided unity to move forward step by step.
We can't be the chaotic numpty waging war against opponents and allies alike, we have to be calm, cold and deliberate like the SAS.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Baggers on April 17, 2026, 08:40:01 am
Pinging, for sure. Send him back to rehab. Another CFC recruiting success story. Voss and Austin need to get their resumes ready.. This club is a fn basket case.
"Pinging, for sure." No. Not what I saw, I saw someone disoriented.
IF he has an anxiety issue and on appropriate prescription medication (SSRI?) then given a caffeine tablet... Oh dear!
Just an IF, an alternate explanation to hysterical assumptions and burying the kid.
IF this is the case... well, caffeine is a natural enemy of anxiety and can cause serious side-effects, even disorientation and serotonin syndrome BUT you'd expect the club to be right across that.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Professer E on April 17, 2026, 08:40:12 am
Still white hot, never been so pissed at a loss - which should have been an easy 6-8 goal win. Never been so shat off at a player in almost 60 years following this club with the fervour of a fundamentalist.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: madbluboy on April 17, 2026, 08:42:21 am
Thought Harry was much better this week and was probably infringed every time he went for a mark.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Professer E on April 17, 2026, 08:44:32 am
So why is he umpires differently to every other key forward in the league? Oh, and Howe will get weeks - clear definition of a sling/dump tackle.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on April 17, 2026, 08:53:45 am
He shouldnt have been allowed to play and I'm not sure what our medicos were thinking letting him take the field. He must have been displaying symptoms in the dressing room and surely he is one player they would be asking are you right to go. He actually could have got badly hurt wandering around confused and dazed like he was.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: MickyO on April 17, 2026, 08:54:39 am
The more I think about out season, the more laughable it becomes. Not only did we capitulate again, we manage to find new ways to shine the spotlight on ourselves and embarrass our club even further. To play a guy whose welfare was clearly compromised is a new low for me. You just could not make this stuff up if you tried. Spare a thought for Ollie as well here, he is watching this from the front row and must be heartbreaking for him.
This!
Can we please park our emotions about Elijah? To me the more i think of it and the vision Ive seen, this is screwing terrifying for that kid. And for the club to put him out and leave him out there in front of 90k, is an absolute disgrace! As i said previously, I noticed in the first that he didd something odd! Yet hes left on and vilified in the media about having no possessions and having really odd movements! And if I saw it from Row W in the first 10 mins, how the hell did the club let that continue.
And not only that, we throw his brother on the best player in the comp after hes run himself ragged all game, to try and stem Daicos’ influence / which he cant because Daicos was never going to play a complete crap game for his 100th! Now Ollie is getting hammered too.
I wonder if the club did this intentionally, putting and leaving E out there? I just cant see why they did! I am a hell of a lot angrier about this than the loss!
Ffs! Poor family! Imagine mum and dad watching this and as you said, poor Ollie on the ground!
Atm i friggen hate this club!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Professer E on April 17, 2026, 08:55:23 am
Well he's certainly damaged his reputation and surely that's him done at CFC. Trust = zero.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Baggers on April 17, 2026, 09:03:36 am
Caffeine, alcohol, mental health, how many more made up excuses are we going to give him?
Also, for your edification, caffeine is a CNS stimulant drug. Alcohol is a CNS depressant drug. Each has all manner of effects on dopamine and serotonin levels, especially on those with an Anxiety Disorder.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Baggers on April 17, 2026, 09:05:34 am
He shouldnt have been allowed to play and I'm not sure what our medicos were thinking letting him take the field. He must have been displaying symptoms in the dressing room and surely he is one player they would be asking are you right to go. He actually could have got badly hurt wandering around confused and dazed like he was.
Well said, EB1 and I'm sure the AFL will be all over it for an explanation. He was clearly disoriented.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Baggers on April 17, 2026, 09:11:29 am
Feel your pain, brother GTC. At this stage, we're a shell of the club we grew up with and the brunt of way too many jokes.
@Baggers this stuff is self-perpetuating if you let it, you of all people here on this forum should know that.
Want to know what it feels like to have the Colliwobbles, the putting yips, now you do!
The only way through this is to stick fat, the exact opposite of what most are calling for, this is the front line and it needs quiet controlled and undivided unity to move forward step by step.
We can't be the chaotic numpty waging war against opponents and allies alike, we have to be calm, cold and deliberate like the SAS.
Yep. When Rottingwood kicked those early goals in the final qtr and took the lead, we did fight back and could have won it. We did not capitulate. We're obviously exorcising demons that we've had for years, and gradually making progress.
What really concerns me, though, is Rottingwood was ordinary and there for the taking.
But I do think we're making progress. We've had these 'demons' for years and they'll take some conquering. Yep, stick fat.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Lods on April 17, 2026, 09:30:56 am
It is really important at this moment not to rush to public judgement. Making specific allegations based on previous history is not appropriate We may all 'think' we know what happened last night with Elijah. But we don't know. I will be big story and the situation may become clearer as the week goes on...but for now hold fire until we know for sure What is certain is that there will be pretty intense scrutiny as to why he was allowed to play on.
To be clear...it's OK to speculate, but not OK to declare for 'sure and certain'.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: LP on April 17, 2026, 09:45:52 am
Everytime the AFL tweak the rules and interpretations they feck it up, instead they should just enforce the rules that are there.
How does the AFL today rationalise H being whacked across the face, is it now legal to hit people in the face as long as you contact the footy, is that the message? If so wait and see what the likes of Larky and King will do! The H incident wasn't some middle of the pack obscured contest, this was in the open clear of all vision obstructions!
In the meantime, the AFL review a pill pinging off sets of legs that were possibly a centimetre inside the boundary line, and ignore a smack in the face that was seemingly obvious to everybody at the ground and on the broadcast but to which the umpires were oblivious. Is the AFL asserting H is a stager for frees, and is this therefore a staging for free crackdown, if so explain the other end of the ground!
Until our club gets good at posing the hard questions in public forums, we'll continue to suffer this cognitive bias in the outcomes of the game. Again for clarity, this isn't deliberate but it's obviously heavily biased in one direction. It's costing us games to the point that opposition coaches have picked up on it and are putting to their advantage.
Watch Dickos get a free kick for two fingers on his waist, then go back and watch the Filth opponent back to the ball, front on to Cripps, grab Cripps jumper by the collar and frog march him away from the fall of the ball for a play on call! The umpire is standing in the camera field of view watching that happen.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: PaulP on April 17, 2026, 09:54:30 am
I agree Lods. The math ain't mathin' wrt Elijah. There's clearly more to the story than meets the eye.
As to the game, another one where we snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. A kid barely out of nappies misses 2 shots on goal, the best player in the comp needs to put on a clinic to get his team over the line, we had one player looking out of sorts, and we lose by 5 points to a coach who is supposedly a master motivator and master tactician.
The only reasonable conclusion from this is that we need a new football department. In fact, I would implore the club to create two new football departments, just to be on the safe side.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: madbluboy on April 17, 2026, 10:08:41 am
If we swapped the Daicos bros for the Hollands we would have won by 15 goals.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 17, 2026, 10:09:49 am
Thought Harry was much better this week and was probably infringed every time he went for a mark.
Agree but 1g-4b is 1g-4b not matter how you look at it and its unacceptable from THE key fwd. This isn't a one off, week in week out for a very long time. He is getting to contests, clunking some marks and getting opportunities. The conversion or lack of is a real concern. Kick 4-1 and we win.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on April 17, 2026, 10:15:57 am
According to Jon Ralph the clubs official position on Elijah is he had an" off night"...
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: madbluboy on April 17, 2026, 10:20:07 am
The more I think about out season, the more laughable it becomes. Not only did we capitulate again, we manage to find new ways to shine the spotlight on ourselves and embarrass our club even further. To play a guy whose welfare was clearly compromised is a new low for me. You just could not make this stuff up if you tried. Spare a thought for Ollie as well here, he is watching this from the front row and must be heartbreaking for him.
This!
Can we please park our emotions about Elijah? To me the more i think of it and the vision Ive seen, this is screwing terrifying for that kid. And for the club to put him out and leave him out there in front of 90k, is an absolute disgrace! As i said previously, I noticed in the first that he didd something odd! Yet hes left on and vilified in the media about having no possessions and having really odd movements! And if I saw it from Row W in the first 10 mins, how the hell did the club let that continue.
And not only that, we throw his brother on the best player in the comp after hes run himself ragged all game, to try and stem Daicos’ influence / which he cant because Daicos was never going to play a complete crap game for his 100th! Now Ollie is getting hammered too.
I wonder if the club did this intentionally, putting and leaving E out there? I just cant see why they did! I am a hell of a lot angrier about this than the loss!
Ffs! Poor family! Imagine mum and dad watching this and as you said, poor Ollie on the ground!
Atm i friggen hate this club!
I dont know why Ollie gets lambasted so much by fans. He isnt a star, and he makes mistakes, but he is a player, going into his 4th year of footy, and delivers a non stop running version of 4 quarter effort, asked to do big roles, does degrees of ok in them, and is on an upward trajectory.
Elijah... Ive said what I said in the coaches thread. This guy has troubles, and we have played him in every game this year after delisting him, and from what vision we have seen, his team mates are not enamoured with him either, which means, the guy is in trouble.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Thryleon on April 17, 2026, 10:22:43 am
According to Jon Ralph the clubs official position on Elijah is he had an" off night"...
So he's obviously playing next week then lol.
I wouldnt draw that conclusion, I think its all they can reasonably say without saying anything right now, which is all you would want from the club today. You wouldnt want any wide sweeping conclusions being made public today. They have a week to continue it. Elijah will end up delisted, he is out of contract, but no need to sack him immediately on one poor showing. This is a good test for all parties.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: madbluboy on April 17, 2026, 10:23:09 am
Team mates didn't want a bar of him after the match.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: madbluboy on April 17, 2026, 10:23:32 am
Sarcasm Thry
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: LP on April 17, 2026, 10:24:05 am
Team mates didn't want a bar of him after the match.
As portrayed by who, the media, the coach, did you ask them?
Didn't Bolton tell you need to become comfortable being uncomfortable?
If we as a team can't deal with this in a serious and respectful manner, show some care and respect for someone besides you in the trenches, how do you seriously expect any of them to deal with the public pressure of AFL?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: LP on April 17, 2026, 10:33:14 am
To the winner the spoils.
Contrast the commentary about Elliott missing goals for the first 3 Qtrs with that of Harry.
btw., As bad as some of the shots at goal might be, the horrendous missing of targets in open play is even worse, but it's not just Carlton doing this in 2026. Games in general are more like episodes of The Keystone Cops than football.
The thing that differentiates us is not the poor skills, we are the same or equal of the rest, it's that a lack of leg speed / closing speed prevents recovering from the initial error, and it also hinders our ability to take a toll on the opposition's errors. Our list needs to be better skilled just to be equal because we have less time and space.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: laj on April 17, 2026, 10:38:31 am
Looks like it was a mental health issue. Heart rate very elevated throughput the game, sleeping an issue. Looks like one issue we have to be sensitive the way we approach it. Looks like it's a real issue. Not sure if he is manic/depressive and we got a manic episode last night. As I said, I remember Rhett Baynes.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: shawny on April 17, 2026, 10:39:46 am
Looks like it was a mental health issue. Heart rate very elevated throughput the game, sleeping an issue. Looks like one issue we have to be sensitive the way we approach it. Looks like it's a real issue. Not sure if he is manic/depressive and we got a manic episode last night. As I said, I remember Rhett Baynes.
Addiction is a mental health issue im told. Just a nicer way of saying it
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: LP on April 17, 2026, 10:42:03 am
Same social media reaction, lots of people throwing rocks none of them knew what was going on, lots of guesses most of them 100% wrong.
This is when the Caro's of this world tell you ten versions of the same event, lots or if, but, maybes, this and or that, then weeks or months later come out and write "I told you so!"
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: LP on April 17, 2026, 10:43:55 am
Addiction is a mental health issue im told. Just a nicer way of saying it
In fairness, addiction is more often than not the consequence of a long series of problems and events, it's rarely the root cause of a problem but a futile attempt to escape from it. That is why it's often starts with and is identified as mental health.
It's no good guessing about last night.
A while back I talked about scary trends in football, from amateur to professional ranks blokes are/were taking high dose paracetamol 1 - 2 hours before games. Pre-emptive self-medication because it stops the pain from in game collisions. But it leads to problems after the game, the AFL don't talk about it but it's endemic and has been for at least two decades. fwiw, It's endemic in rugby as well and most collision based professional sports. A famous past player has even talked about it in the media and it's just glossed over. The professional sports take it even further, handing out prescription only jabs to numb painful conditions. What happens the night after the game when these things wear off?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: LordLucifer on April 17, 2026, 10:46:34 am
Looks like it was a mental health issue. Heart rate very elevated throughput the game, sleeping an issue. Looks like one issue we have to be sensitive the way we approach it. Looks like it's a real issue. Not sure if he is manic/depressive and we got a manic episode last night. As I said, I remember Rhett Baynes.
You have to ask what was he doing on the field? We have all this focus on concussion and looking for symptoms, passing tests etc and Elijah clearly wasn't right and even the general public could see he needed help yet he is allowed to continue. The AFL should investigate both player and club as it was a serious breach of care imo. Put yourself in the parents position seeing your son in that state on a football field and it should never happen again...
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 17, 2026, 10:57:27 am
Someone in the stands took this video of the pre-game warm-up, how that slipped through the net beggars belief.
I watch him in the warm up in the centre when they were practicing ball ups, he had a white vest on and went to handball over his head and completely missed the football. That is totally unlike him. Now that I think back to the Sydney game, didnt he grubber the ball about three times? I remember thinking his foot must be jabbed up due to some sort of injury.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: kruddler on April 17, 2026, 10:57:43 am
I agree Lods. The math ain't mathin' wrt Elijah. There's clearly more to the story than meets the eye.
As to the game, another one where we snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. A kid barely out of nappies misses 2 shots on goal, the best player in the comp needs to put on a clinic to get his team over the line, we had one player looking out of sorts, and we lose by 5 points to a coach who is supposedly a master motivator and master tactician.
The only reasonable conclusion from this is that we need a new football department. In fact, I would implore the club to create two new football departments, just to be on the safe side.
Best we do a complete cleanout to be sure.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: LP on April 17, 2026, 10:58:17 am
I know I've piled on about our headspace issues as a team, but this is just another example that there is something horribly wrong with our sports psychology and health departments.
We are a professional organisation, we probably have tens of university-trained professionals circulating among the players pre-game, and yet EH ends up out there!
I feel the chance that they all failed to notice something is negligible.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: kruddler on April 17, 2026, 10:58:52 am
Looks like it was a mental health issue. Heart rate very elevated throughput the game, sleeping an issue. Looks like one issue we have to be sensitive the way we approach it. Looks like it's a real issue. Not sure if he is manic/depressive and we got a manic episode last night. As I said, I remember Rhett Baynes.
You have to ask what was he doing on the field? We have all this focus on concussion and looking for symptoms, passing tests etc and Elijah clearly wasn't right and even the general public could see he needed help yet he is allowed to continue. The AFL should investigate both player and club as it was a serious breach of care imo. Put yourself in the parents position seeing your son in that state on a football field and it should never happen again...
My only conclusion today EB is that the medical staff thought it best he be out there with his team mates. Up until 3/4 time he spent 84% TOG. They rested him in the forth and ended up on 60%.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: LP on April 17, 2026, 11:02:56 am
My only conclusion today EB is that the medical staff thought it best he be out there with his team mates. Up until 3/4 time he spent 84% TOG. They rested him in the forth and ended up on 60%.
Maybe, but they have to strike a balance as Spock stated! ;)
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: crashlander on April 17, 2026, 11:04:32 am
You have to ask what was he doing on the field? We have all this focus on concussion and looking for symptoms, passing tests etc and Elijah clearly wasn't right and even the general public could see he needed help yet he is allowed to continue. The AFL should investigate both player and club as it was a serious breach of care imo. Put yourself in the parents position seeing your son in that state on a football field and it should never happen again...
My only conclusion today EB is that the medical staff thought it best he be out there with his team mates. Up until 3/4 time he spent 84% TOG. They rested him in the forth and ended up on 60%.
That is probably the answer, they thought it would help him. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to have been the correct call. The question then is obvious: was there a better option? Who decides?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Bluesers on April 17, 2026, 11:07:18 am
Pinging, for sure. Send him back to rehab. Another CFC recruiting success story. Voss and Austin need to get their resumes ready.. This club is a fn basket case.
"Pinging, for sure." No. Not what I saw, I saw someone disoriented.
IF he has an anxiety issue and on appropriate prescription medication (SSRI?) then given a caffeine tablet... Oh dear!
Just an IF, an alternate explanation to hysterical assumptions and burying the kid.
IF this is the case... well, caffeine is a natural enemy of anxiety and can cause serious side-effects, even disorientation and serotonin syndrome BUT you'd expect the club to be right across that.
I'm not aware of any hysterical assumptions, but we can only make assumptions based on what we saw and heard from that game and the vision of his behaviour is definitely of a person acting very abnormally. Serious questions need to be asked of CFC coaches as to why they allowed him to be onfield for 90 minutes in that state... Surely they, and/or some of the senior players must've noticed his unusual behaviour way before 3/4 time. He is damaged goods and should never have been re-signed. Once again MV must take responsibilty for this fiasco - he should fall on his sword before he is pushed...
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: LordLucifer on April 17, 2026, 11:21:08 am
No-one has mentioned, if Hollands was truly off his nut, then we effectively played the match with 17 onfield.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Blue Moon on April 17, 2026, 11:25:43 am
Thank God we have all these mental health experts on this site, and in the football media.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Blue Moon on April 17, 2026, 11:27:53 am
They have clearly got their degrees from Google Psychiatry.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: laj on April 17, 2026, 11:28:17 am
Looks like it was a mental health issue. Heart rate very elevated throughput the game, sleeping an issue. Looks like one issue we have to be sensitive the way we approach it. Looks like it's a real issue. Not sure if he is manic/depressive and we got a manic episode last night. As I said, I remember Rhett Baynes.
Addiction is a mental health issue im told. Just a nicer way of saying it
Or is addiction in this case a symptom of mental health issues. Seems last night was just a mental health explosion. No good commenting when we don't know last night's situation. Wouldn't be fair and need to tread carefully the way we approach it.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Thryleon on April 17, 2026, 11:29:09 am
"Pinging, for sure." No. Not what I saw, I saw someone disoriented.
IF he has an anxiety issue and on appropriate prescription medication (SSRI?) then given a caffeine tablet... Oh dear!
Just an IF, an alternate explanation to hysterical assumptions and burying the kid.
IF this is the case... well, caffeine is a natural enemy of anxiety and can cause serious side-effects, even disorientation and serotonin syndrome BUT you'd expect the club to be right across that.
I'm not aware of any hysterical assumptions, but we can only make assumptions based on what we saw and heard from that game and the vision of his behaviour is definitely of a person acting very abnormally. Serious questions need to be asked of CFC coaches as to why they allowed him to be onfield for 90 minutes in that state... Surely they, and/or some of the senior players must've noticed his unusual behaviour way before 3/4 time. He is damaged goods and should never have been re-signed. Once again MV must take responsibilty for this fiasco - he should fall on his sword before he is pushed...
Voss is ultimately responsible, but I think its not fair to lay this at his feet. Elijah is an adult, responsible for himself. Where are the leaders in the team making sure this gets the appropriate attention? Where are the line coaches under Voss telling him that Elijah is not right to play?
Why is the senior coach the one who is in the gun here for the failings of every level?
Our club is a disgrace off field. Its all good, Brian Cook fixed us... The club has systemic issues that sit outside of the coach regarding standards, and behaviour, and about the only person exhibiting the right stuff is the guy in the coaches box.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: rocky on April 17, 2026, 12:08:36 pm
Just watched the whole game, which I don't usually do when we lose, but I had to make sure about whether Hollands did get a kick in and I think the only time it may have happened was in the 3rd around the HBF boundary line where there was a scramble and the ball ended up going over the line. He may have got a feather kick in there but definitely not 100% on that. Also while he was responsible for the 1st 666 warning he was on the bench when the 2nd infringement (which ultimately resulted in a goal) occurred. Still he did look a bit "weird" during general play. He was waving around his arms nearly all game? Very strange. Thought for most of the game we once again had a crack but the same old problems surfaced. Ball use, decision making, accuracy in front of goal, broken tackles and bad coaching.
No Harry this week, which is a shame as he had a good game (apart from the goal kicking) I thought so can see us getting a spanking against Freo.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 17, 2026, 12:16:46 pm
Just watched the whole game, which I don't usually do when we lose, but I had to make sure about whether Hollands did get a kick in and I think the only time it may have happened was in the 3rd around the HBF boundary line where there was a scramble and the ball ended up going over the line. He may have got a feather kick in there but definitely not 100% on that. Also while he was responsible for the 1st 666 warning he was on the bench when the 2nd infringement (which ultimately resulted in a goal) occurred. Still he did look a bit "weird" during general play. He was waving around his arms nearly all game? Very strange. Thought for most of the game we once again had a crack but the same old problems surfaced. Ball use, decision making, accuracy in front of goal, broken tackles and bad coaching.
No Harry this week, which is a shame as he had a good game (apart from the goal kicking) I thought so can see us getting a spanking against Freo.
I would sound out Mark Williams and hire him as: - Our kicking coach - A mentor for Elijah He did it with Dusty (mentoring) and knows how to teach kicking. We are the worst kicking team in the comp and it needs specialist assistance and he is the best in the business. The other person is the dude Petracca hired but I dont know how it is.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: PaulP on April 17, 2026, 12:36:02 pm
I would sound out Mark Williams and hire him as: - Our kicking coach - A mentor for Elijah He did it with Dusty (mentoring) and knows how to teach kicking. We are the worst kicking team in the comp and it needs specialist assistance and he is the best in the business. The other person is the dude Petracca hired but I dont know how it is.
According to Google AI, the guy is Ben Stanley from Enhanced Football, located on the Gold Coast.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: BluePhantom on April 17, 2026, 02:08:24 pm
My only conclusion today EB is that the medical staff thought it best he be out there with his team mates. Up until 3/4 time he spent 84% TOG. They rested him in the forth and ended up on 60%.
That is probably the answer, they thought it would help him. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to have been the correct call. The question then is obvious: was there a better option? Who decides?
What happened to no individual is greater than the team? He should not have played FULL STOP. Everybody has problems, some people are better at hiding it than others. A professional organisation and I'm looking at a Hawthorn or Collingwood example would NEVER have done what our club just did.
I'm still waiting for our Don Scott or Jason Dunstall to come in and get the club back on track, to at least be something we could be proud of.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: pew2 on April 17, 2026, 02:15:27 pm
hopefully E hollands is ok BUT we cannot let this matter cover up how weak our players ,soft we are it is all just heartbreaking .
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Bluesers on April 17, 2026, 03:32:32 pm
I'm not aware of any hysterical assumptions, but we can only make assumptions based on what we saw and heard from that game and the vision of his behaviour is definitely of a person acting very abnormally. Serious questions need to be asked of CFC coaches as to why they allowed him to be onfield for 90 minutes in that state... Surely they, and/or some of the senior players must've noticed his unusual behaviour way before 3/4 time. He is damaged goods and should never have been re-signed. Once again MV must take responsibilty for this fiasco - he should fall on his sword before he is pushed...
Voss is ultimately responsible, but I think its not fair to lay this at his feet. Elijah is an adult, responsible for himself. Where are the leaders in the team making sure this gets the appropriate attention? Where are the line coaches under Voss telling him that Elijah is not right to play?
Why is the senior coach the one who is in the gun here for the failings of every level?
Our club is a disgrace off field. Its all good, Brian Cook fixed us... The club has systemic issues that sit outside of the coach regarding standards, and behaviour, and about the only person exhibiting the right stuff is the guy in the coaches box.
All very valid questions and points that you raised. You asked why is the senior coach the one in the gun, but you also answered your own question "Voss is ultimately responsible" . It's not just this incident that he has failed the CFC in, but so many other coaching issues as well. He is failing the CFC and all its' despondent fans too. He shows us his ineptitude on a regular basis unfortunately. Time's up
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: laj on April 17, 2026, 03:34:29 pm
Just watched the whole game, which I don't usually do when we lose, but I had to make sure about whether Hollands did get a kick in and I think the only time it may have happened was in the 3rd around the HBF boundary line where there was a scramble and the ball ended up going over the line. He may have got a feather kick in there but definitely not 100% on that. Also while he was responsible for the 1st 666 warning he was on the bench when the 2nd infringement (which ultimately resulted in a goal) occurred. Still he did look a bit "weird" during general play. He was waving around his arms nearly all game? Very strange. Thought for most of the game we once again had a crack but the same old problems surfaced. Ball use, decision making, accuracy in front of goal, broken tackles and bad coaching.
No Harry this week, which is a shame as he had a good game (apart from the goal kicking) I thought so can see us getting a spanking against Freo.
Last like year, and most other weeks, we'll be 4 goals up at some stage then lose by 3. We can be a good side for periods, even a very good side, just not for a whole game and we lose.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Shakin77 on April 17, 2026, 05:05:47 pm
Start of the 3rd. 3 very shots at goal that should be converted. Cerra, Kemp and McKay. Think Kemp was 30 out slight angle.
Kick those and we are 30 odd points up. Ball goes down the other end and Elliott goals.
Walsh did similar in the Melbourne game. Missed a sitter and Langdon goals.
We haven't been able for over 2-3 years been able to stop of slow the momentum and concede 3-5 goals quickly.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Thryleon on April 17, 2026, 05:07:46 pm
Start of the 3rd. 3 very shots at goal that should be converted. Cerra, Kemp and McKay. Think Kemp was 30 out slight angle.
Kick those and we are 30 odd points up. Ball goes down the other end and Elliott goals.
Walsh did similar in the Melbourne game. Missed a sitter and Langdon goals.
We haven't been able for over 2-3 years been able to stop of slow the momentum and concede 3-5 goals quickly.
Yeah but you know, its a coaching problem that our guys cant hit the side of a barn from regulation scores. Even at the death Byrne's miss to make it a draw. Pulled his kick skinny. The pressure he would have been under, but you just know other teams nail this stuff, whilst I dont know what we train, but hitting targets is not one of them.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: PaulP on April 17, 2026, 05:14:39 pm
I suspect the players' head space is such that they now expect things to go pear shaped. Hopefully Vossy has put The Myth Of Sisyphus on the reading list.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: RiverRat on April 17, 2026, 05:27:30 pm
We probably lost the game by depending of Lewis Young as a 2nd ruck. I thought he wasn't bad, for the most part, but he was slaughtered in the ruck. It was the difference between winning and losing.
I know Pitto works like a Trojan every week, but other rucks can lift in the last quarter and change the game. Pitto can't. When Steene got on top for those first 8 minutes, Collingwood got the ball out of middle quickly and we couldn't stop them.
I thought Lewis Young's efforts were better than we have had from any other back-up ruckman this season and I thought he was competitive in most of his ruck contests - certainly more so than when Steene jumped all over Pitto at the start of the last term - after he had had a break. I doubt that Pitto can claim to have been fatigued at that stage because Young seemed to give him a reasonable amount of time on the bench during the match - so much so that the commentators (probably David King) repeatedly complained about the amount of time he spent on the bench.
The failure in those critical 8 minutes has to rest with the coaching staff for failing (yet again) to do anything to combat the momentum.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: RiverRat on April 17, 2026, 05:31:58 pm
I wonder how much David King was being paid to pump up McKay's game for how competitive he was last night. He certainly made an effort to compete in the air but isn't that what he is being paid to do - I reckon he would be more deserving of praise if he managed to hold some contested marks in the forward line and/or to kick goals when he was awarded a mark or a free kick.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: madbluboy on April 17, 2026, 05:33:18 pm
Young did better than Pittonet in the last term.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Lods on April 17, 2026, 06:19:23 pm
I'm not aware of any hysterical assumptions, but we can only make assumptions based on what we saw and heard from that game and the vision of his behaviour is definitely of a person acting very abnormally. Serious questions need to be asked of CFC coaches as to why they allowed him to be onfield for 90 minutes in that state... Surely they, and/or some of the senior players must've noticed his unusual behaviour way before 3/4 time. He is damaged goods and should never have been re-signed. Once again MV must take responsibilty for this fiasco - he should fall on his sword before he is pushed...
Voss is ultimately responsible, but I think its not fair to lay this at his feet. Elijah is an adult, responsible for himself. Where are the leaders in the team making sure this gets the appropriate attention? Where are the line coaches under Voss telling him that Elijah is not right to play?
Why is the senior coach the one who is in the gun here for the failings of every level?
Our club is a disgrace off field. Its all good, Brian Cook fixed us... The club has systemic issues that sit outside of the coach regarding standards, and behaviour, and about the only person exhibiting the right stuff is the guy in the coaches box.
Agree with this. And always think back to the AFL life member who told me at the end of last season for no reason that ‘Cookie’ was just in it for a lucrative final retirement pay day. Had no real interest in it and seemingly didnt really change much?
Absolute disgrace the club put the kid out there for starters but left him out there? Ffs.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: MickyO on April 17, 2026, 07:40:17 pm
Team mates didn't want a bar of him after the match.
If he has the problems they are saying he has, and if his team mates did in fact bail out on him, thats pretty ordinary in my book.
Cant imagine every player is a complete arsehole so there is surely a hell of a lot more here than we see.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: MickyO on April 17, 2026, 07:42:08 pm
Another thing that really gives me the craps is some of our tackling! We cuddle them repeatedly but allow them to get handballs out. There was one passage where it was in tight and we tackled maybe 3,4 times in a row and each time Pies were able to handball in close and then get it out. Like who is coaching them like this?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: laj on April 17, 2026, 10:39:55 pm
Start of the 3rd. 3 very shots at goal that should be converted. Cerra, Kemp and McKay. Think Kemp was 30 out slight angle.
Kick those and we are 30 odd points up. Ball goes down the other end and Elliott goals.
Walsh did similar in the Melbourne game. Missed a sitter and Langdon goals.
We haven't been able for over 2-3 years been able to stop of slow the momentum and concede 3-5 goals quickly.
That happens so often, and often in the 3rd qtr that we attack, kick point after point, then the other goes forward once, kicks a goal and we seems to drop our heads, allowing a flow of goals.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 18, 2026, 06:55:23 am
Start of the 3rd. 3 very shots at goal that should be converted. Cerra, Kemp and McKay. Think Kemp was 30 out slight angle.
Kick those and we are 30 odd points up. Ball goes down the other end and Elliott goals.
Walsh did similar in the Melbourne game. Missed a sitter and Langdon goals.
We haven't been able for over 2-3 years been able to stop of slow the momentum and concede 3-5 goals quickly.
That happens so often, and often in the 3rd qtr that we attack, kick point after point, then the other goes forward once, kicks a goal and we seems to drop our heads, allowing a flow of goals.
Was it the Melb game start of the 3rd Fog hits the post or missus from directly in front? It often the start of the collapse.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Blue Moon on April 18, 2026, 08:51:28 am
There is actually no pressure when you have a set shot for goal. The shot might be difficult, and a player might be tired from the effort to get the mark, but once the whistle blows it is simply technique and application.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: kruddler on April 18, 2026, 10:22:18 am
Pitto will always be more susceptable to an opposition ruck who can still jump at the end of the game.
Pitto wasn't the problem. He did his job.
He got more clearances than the other 2 rucks combined (5 vs 4). He got 21 touches vs Cameron 18. He was leading contested possession getter for us with 12, only Daicos with 16 ahead of him. Cripps had 11. He was carltons 4th highest supercoach scorer behind, Williams, Walsh and Newman.
If you want to try and exploit him/us, then you do exactly what collingwood did. Get a 'jumper' against him at the end. Probably helps thats its a relatively new player who he hasn't come across before too.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on April 18, 2026, 10:47:30 am
Pitto will always be more susceptable to an opposition ruck who can still jump at the end of the game.
Pitto wasn't the problem. He did his job.
He got more clearances than the other 2 rucks combined (5 vs 4). He got 21 touches vs Cameron 18. He was leading contested possession getter for us with 12, only Daicos with 16 ahead of him. Cripps had 11. He was carltons 4th highest supercoach scorer behind, Williams, Walsh and Newman.
If you want to try and exploit him/us, then you do exactly what collingwood did. Get a 'jumper' against him at the end. Probably helps thats its a relatively new player who he hasn't come across before too.
Thats why you have scouts, Steenes first AFL game had him doing the same stuff, he has been in the system for 4 years at Collingwood so how he plays shouldnt have been a mystery imo. Its not Pittonets fault but after the first Steene to Daicos play there needed to be a change....I thought Young did ok but it was too late by then.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: kruddler on April 18, 2026, 10:53:09 am
Pitto will always be more susceptable to an opposition ruck who can still jump at the end of the game.
Pitto wasn't the problem. He did his job.
He got more clearances than the other 2 rucks combined (5 vs 4). He got 21 touches vs Cameron 18. He was leading contested possession getter for us with 12, only Daicos with 16 ahead of him. Cripps had 11. He was carltons 4th highest supercoach scorer behind, Williams, Walsh and Newman.
If you want to try and exploit him/us, then you do exactly what collingwood did. Get a 'jumper' against him at the end. Probably helps thats its a relatively new player who he hasn't come across before too.
Thats why you have scouts, Steenes first AFL game had him doing the same stuff, he has been in the system for 4 years at Collingwood so how he plays shouldnt have been a mystery imo. Its not Pittonets fault but after the first Steene to Daicos play there needed to be a change....I thought Young did ok but it was too late by then.
There's a difference between watching tape and banging bodies though. I'm sure we will be better equipped next time they face.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 18, 2026, 11:01:04 am
Pitto will always be more susceptable to an opposition ruck who can still jump at the end of the game.
Pitto wasn't the problem. He did his job.
He got more clearances than the other 2 rucks combined (5 vs 4). He got 21 touches vs Cameron 18. He was leading contested possession getter for us with 12, only Daicos with 16 ahead of him. Cripps had 11. He was carltons 4th highest supercoach scorer behind, Williams, Walsh and Newman.
If you want to try and exploit him/us, then you do exactly what collingwood did. Get a 'jumper' against him at the end. Probably helps thats its a relatively new player who he hasn't come across before too.
Thats why you have scouts, Steenes first AFL game had him doing the same stuff, he has been in the system for 4 years at Collingwood so how he plays shouldnt have been a mystery imo. Its not Pittonets fault but after the first Steene to Daicos play there needed to be a change....I thought Young did ok but it was too late by then.
I blame it on the mids footy IQ. I could see from the stands what the Coll ruckman did after the first tap out. Our mids positioned themselves forming a guard or honour for Coll to run it out. Pathetic really. When I was a kid and there was a bigger ruckman kid on the other side, the coach used to tell us to watch their players and watch their ruckmans hands and rove to him as if he’s yours.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: blueboys_1 on April 18, 2026, 11:34:49 am
Thought Harry was much better this week and was probably infringed every time he went for a mark.
Agree but 1g-4b is 1g-4b not matter how you look at it and its unacceptable from THE key fwd. This isn't a one off, week in week out for a very long time. He is getting to contests, clunking some marks and getting opportunities. The conversion or lack of is a real concern. Kick 4-1 and we win.
I was not at the game so have not seen any of his shots. Harry has his own anxiety with kicking for goals. He is much better from a distance when he can kick through the ball. Since he started kicking round the corner from close distance he seems to of lost confidence in his kicking. It does my head in when I see a player kicking around the corner from close range. When I was a kid the norm was a torp from any distance or angle. One that stands out is twiggy dunn in the GF I think kicking a torp from 50 and it going straight over the umpires head. If anyone can find any stats on his conversion rate say from 0 - 30 and 30 - 50 it would make interesting reading I would say.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: PaulP on April 18, 2026, 11:53:59 am
I was not at the game so have not seen any of his shots. Harry has his own anxiety with kicking for goals. He is much better from a distance when he can kick through the ball. Since he started kicking round the corner from close distance he seems to of lost confidence in his kicking. It does my head in when I see a player kicking around the corner from close range. When I was a kid the norm was a torp from any distance or angle. One that stands out is twiggy dunn in the GF I think kicking a torp from 50 and it going straight over the umpires head. If anyone can find any stats on his conversion rate say from 0 - 30 and 30 - 50 it would make interesting reading I would say.
Not sure about his conversion rate wrt distance, but overall he kicked 238.251.
I was not at the game so have not seen any of his shots. Harry has his own anxiety with kicking for goals. He is much better from a distance when he can kick through the ball. Since he started kicking round the corner from close distance he seems to of lost confidence in his kicking. It does my head in when I see a player kicking around the corner from close range. When I was a kid the norm was a torp from any distance or angle. One that stands out is twiggy dunn in the GF I think kicking a torp from 50 and it going straight over the umpires head. If anyone can find any stats on his conversion rate say from 0 - 30 and 30 - 50 it would make interesting reading I would say.
Not sure about his conversion rate wrt distance, but overall he kicked 238.251.
Opps. Meant Harry's conversion rate not Twigg's. :)
Right. That would also be pretty hard to find. I'm sure Champion Data keep this sort of information, which they selectively and occasionally drip feed to the masses, but I would not hold my breath.
Going away from your specific question, Harry is currently at 281.187, which is about 60% goals 40% behinds, a little less than Jeremy Cameron, who is 743.425, which is about 63% goals. These numbers obviously omit kicks that fall short, OOF etc. But it's a handy rough and ready calculator.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: PaulP on April 18, 2026, 12:44:46 pm
Going a little further off topic, these are IMO head space issues. Going back to the second half of 2023 and early 2024 when the team was flying, even Blake Acres looked like an elite kick. Having a lot of money and having a lot of AFL success share one big similarity, which is that once you reach a tipping point, both money and success tend to multiply themselves.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Bluesers on April 18, 2026, 01:05:55 pm
I take what CFC says these days with a grain of salt, they aren't much better at telling the truth than politicians. I hope the AFL and AFLPA ensure this is investigated thoroughly and honestly, Hollands and CFC members/supporters deserve that as a minimum.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 18, 2026, 02:47:16 pm
I take what CFC says these days with a grain of salt, they aren't much better at telling the truth than politicians. I hope the AFL and AFLPA ensure this is investigated thoroughly and honestly, Hollands and CFC members/supporters deserve that as a minimum.
I really dont know what you expect them to say. Do people want to hear a story that just mightn't be there?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Bluesers on April 18, 2026, 05:22:38 pm
I take what CFC says these days with a grain of salt, they aren't much better at telling the truth than politicians. I hope the AFL and AFLPA ensure this is investigated thoroughly and honestly, Hollands and CFC members/supporters deserve that as a minimum.
I really dont know what you expect them to say. Do people want to hear a story that just mightn't be there?
I don't want to hear anything from CFC that isn't the truth, ie no smoke screens, no diversions, no bs. Clubs always come out with this bs that our main concern is for the player, and his welfare. It's the pc and in vogue thing to say, because they don't want any bad press that can affect their bottom line, ie memberships, sponsorships, dollars, dollars, and more dollars. It's big business, right.
For a player with Hollands history, I want them to explain publicly (the truth) as to why he was out on the ground for almost 2 hours of game time,, and not coaches, physios, medical staff, welfare staff, senior players etc could see that things didn't seem right??? yet outsiders from the media and members of the public were able to... Because of his (very) recent history of issues, shouldn't he be a player that deserves extra care / attention / monitoring/ welfare etc etc? Apparently not....
And also, just because CFC come out publicly and declare it was caused by a mental health episode , doesn't mean that is the complete truth either...
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: IvanAwfulbigone on April 19, 2026, 09:20:41 am
Pittonet was tired in the last and couldn’t get off the ground. Steene, who has played a total of 4 AFL games, jumped all over him to put it down the throat of Naicos et al. for those early centre breaks.
I see this is as more GOOD coaching by McCrae than anything. Knowing we didn’t have a decent backup, throw the young fellow in early and tell him his opponent who has rucked most of the game is tired and won’t be able to jump.
Of course, it also highlights the fact that Voss seems to be highly reactive rather than a creative tactician. The result is one poor team just got up over the other poor team.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: IvanAwfulbigone on April 19, 2026, 09:40:43 am
Re: E. Hollands - what a freakin’ disgrace. Amateur hour at Carlton like it has been for 30+ years. I’m a former project manager so I want to see the club’s:
Risk Management Plan for player health.
Stakeholder Management Plan showing roles and responsibilities (RACI = Responsible, Accountable, Consulted, Informed. There should only be one ‘A’).
An Issues Management Plan. Usually a flowchart with various ‘STOP’ points. e.g. (for my son) Has mouthguard? Yes = continue, No = STOP
Escalation Management Plan. Can also be a flowchart. Make EVERYONE feel empowered to speak up. If someone brings an issue to a ‘higher up’ they MUST escalate it up the chain until the ultimate arbiter makes a call. For medical issues it would be the club doctor. If something like this was in place it avoids the ‘not my problem’ scenario or post-incident finger pointing.
There’s many more tools and procedures but they’re the bare minimum. If the club can’t produce these for the AFL then I’d be happy to see the book thrown at them.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: RiverRat on April 19, 2026, 09:42:56 am
Agree but 1g-4b is 1g-4b not matter how you look at it and its unacceptable from THE key fwd. This isn't a one off, week in week out for a very long time. He is getting to contests, clunking some marks and getting opportunities. The conversion or lack of is a real concern. Kick 4-1 and we win.
I was not at the game so have not seen any of his shots. Harry has his own anxiety with kicking for goals. He is much better from a distance when he can kick through the ball. Since he started kicking round the corner from close distance he seems to of lost confidence in his kicking. It does my head in when I see a player kicking around the corner from close range. When I was a kid the norm was a torp from any distance or angle. One that stands out is twiggy dunn in the GF I think kicking a torp from 50 and it going straight over the umpires head. If anyone can find any stats on his conversion rate say from 0 - 30 and 30 - 50 it would make interesting reading I would say.
I was surprised to see that Harry did not use his usual 'around the corner' technique when kicking for goal from set shots. In some cases the kicks were from the left hand side of the goals so that was understandable but there was one (or two) where he kicked a straight-forward drop punt from position/s where he would have usually kicked 'around the corner'. They were quite straight kicks that didn't miss by much but the fact that he didn't go 'around the corner' suggested that he might have been acting under instructions to not do so.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: shawny on April 19, 2026, 10:50:05 am
Re: E. Hollands - what a freakin’ disgrace. Amateur hour at Carlton like it has been for 30+ years. I’m a former project manager so I want to see the club’s:
Risk Management Plan for player health.
Stakeholder Management Plan showing roles and responsibilities (RACI = Responsible, Accountable, Consulted, Informed. There should only be one ‘A’).
An Issues Management Plan. Usually a flowchart with various ‘STOP’ points. e.g. (for my son) Has mouthguard? Yes = continue, No = STOP
Escalation Management Plan. Can also be a flowchart. Make EVERYONE feel empowered to speak up. If someone brings an issue to a ‘higher up’ they MUST escalate it up the chain until the ultimate arbiter makes a call. For medical issues it would be the club doctor. If something like this was in place it avoids the ‘not my problem’ scenario or post-incident finger pointing.
There’s many more tools and procedures but they’re the bare minimum. If the club can’t produce these for the AFL then I’d be happy to see the book thrown at them.
Agree and standing front and square IMO is Voss. Considering he coaches from the bench (or plays solitare on his laptop from the bench) you seriously would have to be brain dead to not pick up on the young man's condition. Lij has a history of substance abuse and yet our head coach is oblivious to his state till half-way through the last quarter. Any half component coach would have looked into his state when the stats said he was zero touches in a half and if he did that but didn't notice then he should resign.
Yet another cross against him and hopefully the final nail and he is not up it like many on our list.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: blueboys_1 on April 19, 2026, 10:59:15 am
I was not at the game so have not seen any of his shots. Harry has his own anxiety with kicking for goals. He is much better from a distance when he can kick through the ball. Since he started kicking round the corner from close distance he seems to of lost confidence in his kicking. It does my head in when I see a player kicking around the corner from close range. When I was a kid the norm was a torp from any distance or angle. One that stands out is twiggy dunn in the GF I think kicking a torp from 50 and it going straight over the umpires head. If anyone can find any stats on his conversion rate say from 0 - 30 and 30 - 50 it would make interesting reading I would say.
I was surprised to see that Harry did not use his usual 'around the corner' technique when kicking for goal from set shots. In some cases the kicks were from the left hand side of the goals so that was understandable but there was one (or two) where he kicked a straight-forward drop punt from position/s where he would have usually kicked 'around the corner'. They were quite straight kicks that didn't miss by much but the fact that he didn't go 'around the corner' suggested that he might have been acting under instructions to not do so.
Thanks RR. As I said was not at the game and with recent history of his kick round the corner close in maybe the club have said enough is enough. About time if so!!!!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: bratblue on April 19, 2026, 11:22:05 am
I was surprised to see that Harry did not use his usual 'around the corner' technique when kicking for goal from set shots. In some cases the kicks were from the left hand side of the goals so that was understandable but there was one (or two) where he kicked a straight-forward drop punt from position/s where he would have usually kicked 'around the corner'. They were quite straight kicks that didn't miss by much but the fact that he didn't go 'around the corner' suggested that he might have been acting under instructions to not do so.
Thanks RR. As I said was not at the game and with recent history of his kick round the corner close in maybe the club have said enough is enough. About time if so!!!!
Maybe thats true but he kicked 1 goal 4 or 5. It didn't work. PS On goal kicking Josh Daicos said that he was watching the ball drop and commented that it was off, he didn't have to look where it went. Who teaches this stuff?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: northernblue on April 19, 2026, 11:27:02 am
Thanks RR. As I said was not at the game and with recent history of his kick round the corner close in maybe the club have said enough is enough. About time if so!!!!
Maybe thats true but he kicked 1 goal 4 or 5. It didn't work. PS On goal kicking Josh Daicos said that he was watching the ball drop and commented that it was off, he didn't have to look where it went. Who teaches this stuff?
If Harry feels comfortable I’ll have him kicking at goal right foot snap over his shoulder… Kicking the way someone else is telling him to isn’t working is it ?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Thryleon on April 19, 2026, 11:34:14 am
Re: E. Hollands - what a freakin’ disgrace. Amateur hour at Carlton like it has been for 30+ years. I’m a former project manager so I want to see the club’s:
Risk Management Plan for player health.
Stakeholder Management Plan showing roles and responsibilities (RACI = Responsible, Accountable, Consulted, Informed. There should only be one ‘A’).
An Issues Management Plan. Usually a flowchart with various ‘STOP’ points. e.g. (for my son) Has mouthguard? Yes = continue, No = STOP
Escalation Management Plan. Can also be a flowchart. Make EVERYONE feel empowered to speak up. If someone brings an issue to a ‘higher up’ they MUST escalate it up the chain until the ultimate arbiter makes a call. For medical issues it would be the club doctor. If something like this was in place it avoids the ‘not my problem’ scenario or post-incident finger pointing.
There’s many more tools and procedures but they’re the bare minimum. If the club can’t produce these for the AFL then I’d be happy to see the book thrown at them.
Agree and standing front and square IMO is Voss. Considering he coaches from the bench (or plays solitare on his laptop from the bench) you seriously would have to be brain dead to not pick up on the young man's condition. Lij has a history of substance abuse and yet our head coach is oblivious to his state till half-way through the last quarter. Any half component coach would have looked into his state when the stats said he was zero touches in a half and if he did that but didn't notice then he should resign.
Yet another cross against him and hopefully the final nail and he is not up it like many on our list.
we've appointed a list manager as boss.
We've seen this before with ratten.
Our club was once known as the professionals. We've been asleep at the wheel since dick pratt died.
Sure sack the coach, our problems run deeper, and we'll be here in 5 years again.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: kruddler on April 19, 2026, 11:47:04 am
I was not at the game so have not seen any of his shots. Harry has his own anxiety with kicking for goals. He is much better from a distance when he can kick through the ball. Since he started kicking round the corner from close distance he seems to of lost confidence in his kicking. It does my head in when I see a player kicking around the corner from close range. When I was a kid the norm was a torp from any distance or angle. One that stands out is twiggy dunn in the GF I think kicking a torp from 50 and it going straight over the umpires head. If anyone can find any stats on his conversion rate say from 0 - 30 and 30 - 50 it would make interesting reading I would say.
I was surprised to see that Harry did not use his usual 'around the corner' technique when kicking for goal from set shots. In some cases the kicks were from the left hand side of the goals so that was understandable but there was one (or two) where he kicked a straight-forward drop punt from position/s where he would have usually kicked 'around the corner'. They were quite straight kicks that didn't miss by much but the fact that he didn't go 'around the corner' suggested that he might have been acting under instructions to not do so.
Yes, the one early on deep in the LH pocket where he simply went a drop punt was odd.
If anything he has 'overcorrected' and trying to kick everything 'too straight'. I can't think of anyone else who would've gone the drop punt from the angle he was on, even if they were right footed. Certainly not for a left footer.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: MickyO on April 19, 2026, 05:49:53 pm
With the disaster that was Thursday night, its taken me until now to think back on some positives.
Thought Matt Carroll played really well, Love that he is backing himself in and taking it on and what a kick he has on him! Hopefully he continues on with it.
Besides his crap goal kicking I thought Harry played a more aggressive hard at it game than previously. He took most marks and had second and third efforts.
Thought Kemp started well but didnt impact when needed at the end.
And of course Talor, unfortunate he missed the sitter earlier in the game (not the only one) and shame about the last one, but the kid has something. Hopefully he continues to improve.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: shawny on April 19, 2026, 07:14:33 pm
Agree and standing front and square IMO is Voss. Considering he coaches from the bench (or plays solitare on his laptop from the bench) you seriously would have to be brain dead to not pick up on the young man's condition. Lij has a history of substance abuse and yet our head coach is oblivious to his state till half-way through the last quarter. Any half component coach would have looked into his state when the stats said he was zero touches in a half and if he did that but didn't notice then he should resign.
Yet another cross against him and hopefully the final nail and he is not up it like many on our list.
we've appointed a list manager as boss.
We've seen this before with ratten.
Our club was once known as the professionals. We've been asleep at the wheel since dick pratt died.
Sure sack the coach, our problems run deeper, and we'll be here in 5 years again.
the buck stops with Voss. he is the senior and should have picked this up
and in regards to our past as a guide it has zero relevance to the whether Voss can coach and he cant so should be changed.
it doesnt end there after voss is replaced the whole coaching group needs rejiggijg as a min.
hopefully with new coaching group we will see the true development of players like jagga dean walker (finger crossed). staying with the current set up will yield the same underperforming team year after year after year.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: LP on April 19, 2026, 08:44:03 pm
Agree and standing front and square IMO is Voss. Considering he coaches from the bench (or plays solitare on his laptop from the bench) you seriously would have to be brain dead to not pick up on the young man's condition. Lij has a history of substance abuse and yet our head coach is oblivious to his state till half-way through the last quarter. Any half component coach would have looked into his state when the stats said he was zero touches in a half and if he did that but didn't notice then he should resign.
Yet another cross against him and hopefully the final nail and he is not up it like many on our list.
we've appointed a list manager as boss.
We've seen this before with ratten.
Our club was once known as the professionals. We've been asleep at the wheel since dick pratt died.
Sure sack the coach, our problems run deeper, and we'll be here in 5 years again.
You forgot the bit about him being an Ex Coll player and wants to burn our club to the ground,
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: northernblue on April 19, 2026, 09:21:18 pm
Our club was once known as the professionals. We've been asleep at the wheel since dick pratt died.
Sure sack the coach, our problems run deeper, and we'll be here in 5 years again.
the buck stops with Voss. he is the senior and should have picked this up
and in regards to our past as a guide it has zero relevance to the whether Voss can coach and he cant so should be changed.
it doesnt end there after voss is replaced the whole coaching group needs rejiggijg as a min.
hopefully with new coaching group we will see the true development of players like jagga dean walker (finger crossed). staying with the current set up will yield the same underperforming team year after year after year.
The coaching group were replenished 6 months ago but you keep on burning the witches 👍🏼
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: kruddler on April 19, 2026, 10:24:07 pm
the buck stops with Voss. he is the senior and should have picked this up
and in regards to our past as a guide it has zero relevance to the whether Voss can coach and he cant so should be changed.
it doesnt end there after voss is replaced the whole coaching group needs rejiggijg as a min.
hopefully with new coaching group we will see the true development of players like jagga dean walker (finger crossed). staying with the current set up will yield the same underperforming team year after year after year.
The coaching group were replenished 6 months ago but you keep on burning the witches 👍🏼
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't stop him rolling around in his own crap
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on April 19, 2026, 10:46:56 pm
the buck stops with Voss. he is the senior and should have picked this up
and in regards to our past as a guide it has zero relevance to the whether Voss can coach and he cant so should be changed.
it doesnt end there after voss is replaced the whole coaching group needs rejiggijg as a min.
hopefully with new coaching group we will see the true development of players like jagga dean walker (finger crossed). staying with the current set up will yield the same underperforming team year after year after year.
The coaching group were replenished 6 months ago but you keep on burning the witches 👍🏼
I knew we forgot something and now there's a fuel crisis, we cant do anything right..🤦♂️..
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: RiverRat on April 19, 2026, 11:44:47 pm
Thought Matt Carroll played really well, Love that he is backing himself in and taking it on and what a kick he has on him! Hopefully he continues on with it.
I agree that Carroll is going from strength to strength and seems to be well suited on the wing but he has a built in problem with his kicking.
I know that a lot of left-footers have developed a lethal left foot kick by swinging the leg across the body to get penetration and accuracy. Unfortunately, a significant number of Carroll's kicks are clangers when he is under pressure because when he is off balance he tends to drop his hip in the kicking action. Someone on the coaching staff needs to address this issue because he can really make this a reliable strength (and improve his goal kicking).
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: laj on April 20, 2026, 02:10:06 pm
Agree and standing front and square IMO is Voss. Considering he coaches from the bench (or plays solitare on his laptop from the bench) you seriously would have to be brain dead to not pick up on the young man's condition. Lij has a history of substance abuse and yet our head coach is oblivious to his state till half-way through the last quarter. Any half component coach would have looked into his state when the stats said he was zero touches in a half and if he did that but didn't notice then he should resign.
Yet another cross against him and hopefully the final nail and he is not up it like many on our list.
we've appointed a list manager as boss.
We've seen this before with ratten.
Our club was once known as the professionals. We've been asleep at the wheel since dick pratt died.
Sure sack the coach, our problems run deeper, and we'll be here in 5 years again.
We've won 11 from 38. Sometimes you time up simply up and his message isn't resonating anymore. Gave us a thrill for 2 years and 16 games, and may have got a flag in 2023 if we didn't have to go to the Gabba or we went to Ed's place 5 weeks earlier, but once you've stopped resonating with the players with you message, that it's. Happens to many coaches, some after 5 years, some after 15 years. Hardwick worked that out in his dying days at Richmond and was smart enough to get out. When your times up, your times up.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 20, 2026, 02:15:58 pm
Our club was once known as the professionals. We've been asleep at the wheel since dick pratt died.
Sure sack the coach, our problems run deeper, and we'll be here in 5 years again.
We've won 11 from 38. Sometimes you time up simply up and his message isn't resonating anymore. Gave us a thrill for 2 years and 16 games, and may have got a flag in 2023 if we didn't have to go to the Gabba or we went to Ed's place 5 weeks earlier, but once you've stopped resonating with the players with you message, that it's. Happens to many coaches, some after 5 years, some after 15 years. Hardwick worked that out in his dying days at Richmond and was smart enough to get out. When your times up, your times up.
You assume or suspect "he is not resonating", you don't know it to be fact.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: laj on April 20, 2026, 02:38:09 pm
We've won 11 from 38. Sometimes you time up simply up and his message isn't resonating anymore. Gave us a thrill for 2 years and 16 games, and may have got a flag in 2023 if we didn't have to go to the Gabba or we went to Ed's place 5 weeks earlier, but once you've stopped resonating with the players with you message, that it's. Happens to many coaches, some after 5 years, some after 15 years. Hardwick worked that out in his dying days at Richmond and was smart enough to get out. When your times up, your times up.
You assume or suspect "he is not resonating", you don't know it to be fact.
Only have to watch football and look at the results. Pretty easy for most to work out. 11 wins from 38 probably tells a story in itself. Take the agenda away and you will see that. In the end it is wins and losses. That's the best story. Can't be argued.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: kruddler on April 20, 2026, 02:46:43 pm
You assume or suspect "he is not resonating", you don't know it to be fact.
Only have to watch football and look at the results. Pretty easy for most to work out. 11 wins from 38 probably tells a story in itself. Take the agenda away and you will see that. In the end it is wins and losses. That's the best story. Can't be argued.
Jimbo, how many results would be turned simply by kicking straighter at goal? Vossy isnt kicking the ball, nor is he picking the guys who is kicking the ball.
Suddenly you see how wins and losses is more than just the coach. Past history should tell you that changing the coach hasnt solved our problems, so why do you think this is any different?
In fact his results are in line with the strength of the list we have.
I predicted a down year and told everybody to prepare for some poor results. After the chicken little / sky is falling jibes stopped, even my expectations have been let down. None pf our recruits have loved up to expectations and none cone close tp covering what we lost in the off season.
So why is vossy to blame if those things are outside his control?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: shawny on April 20, 2026, 02:50:10 pm
Vossy can't even see when one of his player is off his nut on game day or is that not his department either
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 20, 2026, 02:56:38 pm
You assume or suspect "he is not resonating", you don't know it to be fact.
Only have to watch football and look at the results. Pretty easy for most to work out. 11 wins from 38 probably tells a story in itself. Take the agenda away and you will see that. In the end it is wins and losses. That's the best story. Can't be argued.
All opinion not factual. The above opinion might be shared by many, doesnt make it fact.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: laj on April 20, 2026, 03:16:42 pm
Only have to watch football and look at the results. Pretty easy for most to work out. 11 wins from 38 probably tells a story in itself. Take the agenda away and you will see that. In the end it is wins and losses. That's the best story. Can't be argued.
Jimbo, how many results would be turned simply by kicking straighter at goal? Vossy isnt kicking the ball, nor is he picking the guys who is kicking the ball.
Suddenly you see how wins and losses is more than just the coach. Past history should tell you that changing the coach hasnt solved our problems, so why do you think this is any different?
In fact his results are in line with the strength of the list we have.
I predicted a down year and told everybody to prepare for some poor results. After the chicken little / sky is falling jibes stopped, even my expectations have been let down. None pf our recruits have loved up to expectations and none cone close tp covering what we lost in the off season.
So why is vossy to blame if those things are outside his control?
You can spin it, but no. We are alot better than 11 out of 38. The only result that matters. Times up. Enjoyed the ride for most of 3 years, we appreciate that, but to fall off so much, not hard to work out. 11 from 38 is 11 from 38. Vossy has struggled to evolve with the changing game. At some point the coach stops getting his message through. Happens to most coaches at some stage.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 20, 2026, 03:21:07 pm
Jimbo, how many results would be turned simply by kicking straighter at goal? Vossy isnt kicking the ball, nor is he picking the guys who is kicking the ball.
Suddenly you see how wins and losses is more than just the coach. Past history should tell you that changing the coach hasnt solved our problems, so why do you think this is any different?
In fact his results are in line with the strength of the list we have.
I predicted a down year and told everybody to prepare for some poor results. After the chicken little / sky is falling jibes stopped, even my expectations have been let down. None pf our recruits have loved up to expectations and none cone close tp covering what we lost in the off season.
So why is vossy to blame if those things are outside his control?
You can spin it, but no. We are alot better than 11 out of 38. The only result that matters. Times up. Enjoyed the ride for most of 3 years, we appreciate that, but to fall off so much, not hard to work out. 11 from 38 is 11 from 38. Vossy has struggled to evolve with the changing game. At some point the coach stops getting his message through. Happens to most coaches at some stage.
The only one spinning it is the bloke who refuses to acknowledge that the success of a football team is spread across 100 blokes, not 1.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: laj on April 20, 2026, 04:15:56 pm
You can spin it, but no. We are alot better than 11 out of 38. The only result that matters. Times up. Enjoyed the ride for most of 3 years, we appreciate that, but to fall off so much, not hard to work out. 11 from 38 is 11 from 38. Vossy has struggled to evolve with the changing game. At some point the coach stops getting his message through. Happens to most coaches at some stage.
The only one spinning it is the bloke who refuses to acknowledge that the success of a football team is spread across 100 blokes, not 1.
Maybe, but it starts with the coach. You can have everything else in place, but if the coach isn't doing the job then it won't work. If the end it is all about what happens on the field and right now it is 11 wins from the last 38. If that isn't happening but nothing is happening. Not disagreeing totally with you, you have some points, but that's the bottom line. He has failed to evolve with the changing game, which is pretty obvious.
You can have issues with a crap club generally, which I think beat Teague, and Malthouse made mention of that not long ago in his time here, but sometimes coaching stands out more, as it has here and did going back to Bolton. Have to be aware of which is the greater over-riding issue. Vossy is basically done here. 11 from 38 says so.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Thryleon on April 20, 2026, 04:28:48 pm
Id hate to be married to you IAJ, you would turf me at the fist sign of trouble.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: PaulP on April 20, 2026, 04:39:06 pm
W D L
Alistair Clarkson - North Melbourne 15 1 49
Michel Voss - Carlton 47 1 48
Given that some fans believe we are the new St Kilda, Vossy is knocking it out of the park.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: kruddler on April 20, 2026, 04:55:01 pm
The only one spinning it is the bloke who refuses to acknowledge that the success of a football team is spread across 100 blokes, not 1.
Maybe, but it starts with the coach. You can have everything else in place, but if the coach isn't doing the job then it won't work. If the end it is all about what happens on the field and right now it is 11 wins from the last 38. If that isn't happening but nothing is happening. Not disagreeing totally with you, you have some points, but that's the bottom line. He has failed to evolve with the changing game, which is pretty obvious.
You can have issues with a crap club generally, which I think beat Teague, and Malthouse made mention of that not long ago in his time here, but sometimes coaching stands out more, as it has here and did going back to Bolton. Have to be aware of which is the greater over-riding issue. Vossy is basically done here. 11 from 38 says so.
Flip the logic around.
You can have the best coach in the land, but if the blokes around him are not doing their job it won't work.
Yes, Voss has stuck with the contested ball game plan. Why is that? Do we have a bunch of fast, elite ball user, outside runners on our list? Please point them out if you do because i can't see them. So IF he tried to do anything else, then we would be FURTHER behind on the win/loss ledger. We simply don't have the cattle to do anything else.
Its been 2 years and we still struggle for midfield forward connection and conversion. Its because we have a list full of blokes who can't kick. The guys we have up forward are not good enough to overcome this. We HAD Charlie, who helped. Even TDK could take a mark out of nowhere and help that area out. Now we've got very little marking talent up forward, and nothing coming through, and we have addressed our biggest issue in the midfield anywhere near a point where we can change our style.
So what do you want Voss to do?
What would Chris Fagan do with this team? Roos, Longmire, Hardwick, Clarkson.....anyone? We play the way we do because of the players we have. We struggle to turn things around on match day because the players we have. We struggle to kick through the big sticks, because of the players we have.
To paraphrase the old Ronald Dale.... You give me players, and i'll shutup!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Baggers on April 20, 2026, 05:00:34 pm
Given that some fans believe we are the new St Kilda, Vossy is knocking it out of the park.
Love him or hate him, Clarko has a hefty successful bank account of success to draw upon - Dawks... and he took over an absolute cot-case - Kangabies.
How does Clarkos first 10 years as a senior coach stack up against Vossy's ;)
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: PaulP on April 20, 2026, 05:00:58 pm
Interesting hearing Luke Beveridge after the Geelong game. He said that as coaches, you either mold the game style to the players you have, or you establish a game style that you know will be successful, and you ask everyone to come up to that. He stated he's always tried the latter. It's similar to the old adage of designing / building a house down to a budget, or up to a standard.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: shawny on April 20, 2026, 05:06:20 pm
Interesting hearing Luke Beveridge after the Geelong game. He said that as coaches, you either mold the game style to the players you have, or you establish a game style that you know will be successful, and you ask everyone to come up to that. He stated he's always tried the latter. It's similar to the old adage of designing / building a house down to a budget, or up to a standard.
Thats fine provided the system the coach wants followed can work. Contested inside footy is taxing it slow and not the way the current game is played and hence why we are sitting in 16th spot.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: PaulP on April 20, 2026, 05:06:36 pm
Interesting hearing Luke Beveridge after the Geelong game. He said that as coaches, you either mold the game style to the players you have, or you establish a game style that you know will be successful, and you ask everyone to come up to that. He stated he's always tried the latter. It's similar to the old adage of designing / building a house down to a budget, or up to a standard.
Thats fine provided the system the coach wants followed can work. Contested inside footy is taxing it slow and not the way the current game is played and hence why we are sitting in 16th spot.
Good luck getting our ball butchers and slow pokes to play the modern game. That's why we are in 16th spot.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: PaulP on April 20, 2026, 05:11:12 pm
It reeks of double standards to make excuses for Clarkson at North, but not Voss. If Vossy's first 3 seasons yielded a W/L of 3-10 (plus 10 straight losses under Ratts as fill-in), 3-20 and 5-1-17, folks on here would not give any coach the BOD, whatever their previous records says. They would be screaming blue murder.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: shawny on April 20, 2026, 05:26:33 pm
Thats fine provided the system the coach wants followed can work. Contested inside footy is taxing it slow and not the way the current game is played and hence why we are sitting in 16th spot.
Good luck getting our ball butchers and slow pokes to play the modern game. That's why we are in 16th spot.
Agree, both areas are in need of major change - coaching group is not up and the list needs major change to key areas. We are desperate with clean skilled users and players that can move quick when transitioning. Not sure we have any in these catagory.
The speed point is list managements failure the skills one is debatable. We dont seem to develop players well so who knows.
You need a coach that can adapt to the times, provide sound gameplans that are tailored to beat the opposition each week and be capable of make smart game day moves the minute they are needed and finally to motivate the charges. Voss fails imo in most of those areas.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: shawny on April 20, 2026, 05:37:00 pm
It reeks of double standards to make excuses for Clarkson at North, but not Voss. If Vossy's first 3 seasons yielded a W/L of 3-10 (plus 10 straight losses under Ratts as fill-in), 3-20 and 5-1-17, folks on here would not give any coach the BOD, whatever their previous records says. They would be screaming blue murder.
Clarkson's is considered by many as the best coach of all time and took over a list which was not in the same condition as what Voss took over.
Clarkson just happened to win 4 flag and numerous deep finals so yes his standing deserves him more time to produce.
Voss failed at Brisbane and has failed with us. Very different.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 20, 2026, 05:45:15 pm
Good luck getting our ball butchers and slow pokes to play the modern game. That's why we are in 16th spot.
Agree, both areas are in need of major change - coaching group is not up and the list needs major change to key areas. We are desperate with clean skilled users and players that can move quick when transitioning. Not sure we have any in these catagory.
The speed point is list managements failure the skills one is debatable. We dont seem to develop players well so who knows.
You need a coach that can adapt to the times, provide sound gameplans that are tailored to beat the opposition each week and be capable of make smart game day moves the minute they are needed and finally to motivate the charges. Voss fails imo in most of those areas.
Fact. Both at the start of Voss's tenure and again last off season when all the new assistants came in, the coaching group worked with playing group to workshop and determined how the players wanted to play and their thoughts on the game plan they wanted and where they thought their strengths were. The coaches devised a game plan based on those workshops so to say Voss is not up to it is nonsense because they are all (playing group and coaches) equally complicit in the way they play. This fact is always overlooked in these discussions. It is my opinion and probably the opinion of most footy analysts that we are 16th because as a team/list: - We are slow (leg speed) - We are poor kicks (field and for goal) - We have poor onfield leadership from senior players. Personally, ie my opinion, I think our players seem to have very low footy IQ compared to better teams in the comp. I based this on when I see the way they position relative to their opponents and how slowly they react to what's going on around them. You can changes the coaching group again if you want, after the initial sugar hit it will be back to where we are know whilst our list is composed the way it is.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: PaulP on April 20, 2026, 06:00:41 pm
Fact. Both at the start of Voss's tenure and again last off season when all the new assistants came in, the coaching group worked with playing group to workshop and determined how the players wanted to play and their thoughts on the game plan they wanted and where they thought their strengths were. The coaches devised a game plan based on those workshops so to say Voss is not up to it is nonsense because they are all (playing group and coaches) equally complicit in the way they play. This fact is always overlooked in these discussions. It is my opinion and probably the opinion of most footy analysts that we are 16th because as a team/list: - We are slow (leg speed) - We are poor kicks (field and for goal) - We have poor onfield leadership from senior players. Personally, ie my opinion, I think our players seem to have very low footy IQ compared to better teams in the comp. I based this on when I see the way they position relative to their opponents and how slowly they react to what's going on around them. You can changes the coaching group again if you want, after the initial sugar hit it will be back to where we are know whilst our list is composed the way it is.
I always believed this was the case, rather than Moses coming down Mount Sinai with the 10 Commandments.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: kruddler on April 20, 2026, 06:11:30 pm
Interesting hearing Luke Beveridge after the Geelong game. He said that as coaches, you either mold the game style to the players you have, or you establish a game style that you know will be successful, and you ask everyone to come up to that. He stated he's always tried the latter. It's similar to the old adage of designing / building a house down to a budget, or up to a standard.
You reckon anyone at Carlton has the patience to wait for a coach to get all the pieces he requires?
The Sack Voss crowd is proof that we don't.
It takes years to turn over a list and get the players you wanted, up to AFL level. We sack coaches before we get to that level. Then the cycle repeats. Its why we need to get the list management side of things right before we worry about who gets to coach them. The current mob just fill the list with small forwards and says 'good luck with that' and gets a pat on the back in the process. ::)
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Bluesers on April 20, 2026, 06:13:05 pm
The coaching group were replenished 6 months ago but you keep on burning the witches 👍🏼
Bring in the Inquisitors, they always get it right! ;)
The logic in the haters is laughable, they think The List is NBG, the Recruiting staff are NBG, the Medical staff are NBG, the MC is NBG and the Coach is NBG. I suppose after leaving some embers smouldering they now think The CEO is NBG too.
It's all sound logic. :D
It's pointless that I write this in trying to correct the perspective, because they can't think their way through their own arguments.
Actually, I think they aren't thinking at all! :o
Morons and Idiots repeat the same thing over and over again hoping for a better result.
Yea right, much the same as a broken (LP) record... Here's an idea, CFC just stay the current trajectory without changing anything - let's see where that leads us...
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Bluesers on April 20, 2026, 06:18:50 pm
Given that some fans believe we are the new St Kilda, Vossy is knocking it out of the park.
Love him or hate him, Clarko has a hefty successful bank account of success to draw upon - Dawks... and he took over an absolute cot-case - Kangabies.
How does Clarkos first 10 years as a senior coach stack up against Vossy's ;)
I agree, mostly unfair and irrelevant comparison
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: PaulP on April 20, 2026, 06:23:04 pm
If Clarkson was Carlton coach and had the 3 year record I quoted above, it would not make a jot of difference. Folks would still tear the place down, just like they did with Pagan and Malthouse, whose records became irrelevant at the opportune time.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: PaulP on April 20, 2026, 06:37:12 pm
Coaches' votes :
10 Nick Daicos (COLL) 6 Oliver Florent (CARL) 4 Jamie Elliott (COLL) 3 Patrick Lipinski (COLL) 3 Harry Perryman (COLL) 2 Sam Walsh (CARL) 2 Darcy Cameron (COLL)
Good to see Ollie F getting a nod. Both him and his good buddy Hayward must be wondering what they've got themselves into.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 20, 2026, 07:32:17 pm
Good to see Ollie F getting a nod. Both him and his good buddy Hayward must be wondering what they've got themselves into.
Both probably had their best games for the club, so possibly they needed some settling in time under match conditions. I do wonder what they think about the differences they're seeing between us and the Swans.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 21, 2026, 08:36:01 am
Good to see Ollie F getting a nod. Both him and his good buddy Hayward must be wondering what they've got themselves into.
Both probably had their best games for the club, so possibly they needed some settling in time under match conditions. I do wonder what they think about the differences they're seeing between us and the Swans.
If I understand correctly, the Swans players are very hard and demanding of each other. I thats so, I would hope Will and Ollie have brought that with them because from an a outsider, god only knows we need some serious internal challening of one another. Especially on game do when the tide turned against us. Might be drawing a vey long bow here but perhaps there is a link between Will's and Ollie's very good games and Voss's presser comment that we put a full stop on the Coll run and fought it to the end.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: laj on April 21, 2026, 10:25:19 pm
It reeks of double standards to make excuses for Clarkson at North, but not Voss. If Vossy's first 3 seasons yielded a W/L of 3-10 (plus 10 straight losses under Ratts as fill-in), 3-20 and 5-1-17, folks on here would not give any coach the BOD, whatever their previous records says. They would be screaming blue murder.
Clarko started where Bolton did here. Voss was employed to make finals from the start. Not a good comparison. Give him his due, he did that (first year near enough), but we have won 11 from the last 38, the game has evolved but Vossy hasn't. Getting outcoached on a weekly basis. It's obvious it's not going to happen under him now. Sometimes it's hard to tell if we have a crap club or the coach isn't performing, but sadly, when results aren't happening, the message is obviously not resonating. Happens quicker here than at other clubs unfortunately. Richmond changed coaches 7000 times in 30 years before the right one come along, with some help from Neil Blame as Footy Manager, and sorted things out. With it come the culture. Sometimes that's your only choice, keep changing until it happens. Not fun, but keeping the status quo won't change anything either.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: LP on April 21, 2026, 11:04:55 pm
Let's be straight about this, our 2026 game plan is radically different, and every other clubs, forced on clubs by the AFL and it's fiddling with the rules and umpiring.
Only a handful of clubs have lists suited to the current rules and game style, and even those clubs are going to be in a race of attrition.
Fans rallying against the loses are blamming a lack of change but it's a false premise. If people want to argue against a coach, player or management, at least use some facts.