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Title: VFL Rd 7 2026 Carlton vs Casey at Casey
Post by: crashlander on May 07, 2026, 08:54:21 pm
Saturday morning at 10:00 at Casey.
Casey are 17th at the moment and have struggled. I'm a bit surprised, as we haven't played Brisbane yet (who are also struggling).

Our lineup is not available yet, but the Emergencies may well play.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 7 2026 Carlton vs Casey at Casey
Post by: crashlander on May 08, 2026, 06:16:53 pm
At last, our line-up:

B:   41 Matt Duffy   33 Lewis Young   47 Wade Derksen
HB:   28 Harry Charleson   37 Jordan Boyd   74 Logan Prout
C:   36 Cooper Lord   46 Matthew Cottrell   13 Blake Acres
HF:  8 Lachie Fogarty   39 Talor Byrne   45 Flynn Young
F:   43 Ashton Moir   40 Hudson O'Keeffe   30 Jack Ison
R:   25 Liam Reidy   31 Campbell Chesser   16 Ben Camporeale
Int:   61 Dane Harvey   70 Darcy Hogg   58 Jack Sammartino   76 Cody Walker   60 Will Reinhold   64 Archie Stevens   59 Cooper Vickery   62 Oliver Warburton   51 Jaiden Magor   67 Tom Evans   65 Jed Rule   56 Flynn Riley
EM:   77 Will Cookson

[1] By the look of our Interchange bench, I'd say that at least one, maybe all three, of our Emergencies will NOT be playing.
There are 17 listed players named, 14 or 15 will probably play.
[2] Our structure issues: our smallest player, Talor Byrne, is named at CHF. I know it is probably not where he will line up, but it does show the extreme lack of taller options on our list at the moment.
[3] I hope Cody Walker plays. He was impressive last week.
[4] Still no Lucas C. Obvious his lacerated kidney is a serious injury.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 7 2026 Carlton vs Casey at Casey
Post by: Baggers on May 08, 2026, 06:43:50 pm
At last, our line-up:

B:   41 Matt Duffy   33 Lewis Young   47 Wade Derksen
HB:   28 Harry Charleson   37 Jordan Boyd   74 Logan Prout
C:   36 Cooper Lord   46 Matthew Cottrell   13 Blake Acres
HF:  8 Lachie Fogarty   39 Talor Byrne   45 Flynn Young
F:   43 Ashton Moir   40 Hudson O'Keeffe   30 Jack Ison
R:   25 Liam Reidy   31 Campbell Chesser   16 Ben Camporeale
Int:   61 Dane Harvey   70 Darcy Hogg   58 Jack Sammartino   76 Cody Walker   60 Will Reinhold   64 Archie Stevens   59 Cooper Vickery   62 Oliver Warburton   51 Jaiden Magor   67 Tom Evans   65 Jed Rule   56 Flynn Riley
EM:   77 Will Cookson

[1] By the look of our Interchange bench, I'd say that at least one, maybe all three, of our Emergencies will NOT be playing.
There are 17 listed players named, 14 or 15 will probably play.
[2] Our structure issues: our smallest player, Talor Byrne, is named at CHF. I know it is probably not where he will line up, but it does show the extreme lack of taller options on our list at the moment.
[3] I hope Cody Walker plays. He was impressive last week.
[4] Still no Lucas C. Obvious his lacerated kidney is a serious injury.

If we take all 3 emergencies to Brisbane, there's little chance they could play the next day considering the 10am start, and tonight's game not finishing until late! Surely they'd only take one emergency.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 7 2026 Carlton vs Casey at Casey
Post by: kruddler on May 08, 2026, 07:00:02 pm
Ison is definitely in Brisbane, saw him warming up on the ground. Not sure about the others.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 7 2026 Carlton vs Casey at Casey
Post by: Professer E on May 09, 2026, 09:48:09 am
If Ison plays today I'd be mightily impressed, would show real commitment
Title: Re: VFL Rd 7 2026 Carlton vs Casey at Casey
Post by: Baggers on May 09, 2026, 10:06:48 am
All senior side emergencies from last night are playing for the Magoos.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 7 2026 Carlton vs Casey at Casey
Post by: rocky on May 09, 2026, 10:08:28 am
Woeful start. 8 - 0
Title: Re: VFL Rd 7 2026 Carlton vs Casey at Casey
Post by: rocky on May 09, 2026, 10:09:37 am
Derksen gets one back
Title: Re: VFL Rd 7 2026 Carlton vs Casey at Casey
Post by: rocky on May 09, 2026, 10:17:10 am
Derksen kicks our second. Two contested marks for 2 goals
Title: Re: VFL Rd 7 2026 Carlton vs Casey at Casey
Post by: Thryleon on May 09, 2026, 10:19:53 am
Derkson needs to be tried at full forward in the ones.  He is a strong mark and a straight kick but hes not winning any speed racing.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 7 2026 Carlton vs Casey at Casey
Post by: Professer E on May 09, 2026, 10:51:51 am
Kicking it properly into F50 makes all forwards look better
Title: Re: VFL Rd 7 2026 Carlton vs Casey at Casey
Post by: Shakin77 on May 09, 2026, 11:00:15 am
Talor Byrne can kick.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 7 2026 Carlton vs Casey at Casey
Post by: rocky on May 09, 2026, 11:07:01 am
Ison and Moir both have something. Reidy is dominating
Title: Re: VFL Rd 7 2026 Carlton vs Casey at Casey
Post by: Professer E on May 09, 2026, 11:14:34 am
Moir has something but only does it for 5% of the game
Title: Re: VFL Rd 7 2026 Carlton vs Casey at Casey
Post by: rocky on May 09, 2026, 11:16:43 am
Just opened up on Casey that last 5-10 min. I think Reidy has dominated. Lots of contributions. Ben Campo has got it a bit but his kicking is average. Young has been solid down back but he continues to kick woefully. Acres getting a bit of it but like Young butchers the ball. Kicked a barrel just before halftime. Derksen was good in the 1st but went real quiet that quarter. I'll just say this.  Ison and Moir both have something, I just wish they could get the pill a bit more. Hope we can persist with these two because unlike the others, these guys CAN kick the ball
Title: Re: VFL Rd 7 2026 Carlton vs Casey at Casey
Post by: Professer E on May 09, 2026, 11:20:54 am
There was a game for Vic Metro last year where they got flogged, Ison had about 5 kicks - he either scored a goal or was the root cause of the team scoring with every kick.  His ball use can be first class, even though his draft dossier read "kicking inconsistent".  If that wasn't a red herring I've never seen it.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 7 2026 Carlton vs Casey at Casey
Post by: Baggers on May 09, 2026, 12:24:47 pm
Magoos leading by a lazy 114pts. Yep.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 7 2026 Carlton vs Casey at Casey
Post by: Baggers on May 09, 2026, 12:36:19 pm
Bluebaggers (leather poisoning) won by 122 pts.

24.13.157
3.17.35
Title: Re: VFL Rd 7 2026 Carlton vs Casey at Casey
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 09, 2026, 12:49:22 pm
Bluebaggers (leather poisoning) won by 124 pts.

24.13.157
3.17.35
Who played well, who kicked goals?
Title: Re: VFL Rd 7 2026 Carlton vs Casey at Casey
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 09, 2026, 12:52:02 pm
Derksen 5
Hogg 3
Moir Ison Byrne Acres Fog 2
Campo Charleson OKeeffe Young Lord 1
Acres 31 disc
Reidy Campo Cody 24
L Young 23
Title: Re: VFL Rd 7 2026 Carlton vs Casey at Casey
Post by: Thryleon on May 09, 2026, 12:52:09 pm
Hard to get a read on that, but pleased to have put the foot on the throat and demolished them on their dung heap.

Derkson kicked 5 goals.

Worth remembering he had an afl quality opponent in tom macdonald.  Not sure hes at the peak of his powers but still can only beat who you play against.

Thought ison and acres were really impressive.  Lord too.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 7 2026 Carlton vs Casey at Casey
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 09, 2026, 12:54:03 pm
3rd on the Ladder with a healthy % of 137
Title: Re: VFL Rd 7 2026 Carlton vs Casey at Casey
Post by: Baggers on May 09, 2026, 01:00:07 pm
Acres was a standout.
Ison is great with ball in hand. Smart.
Moir benefits from being put in amongst the action. Forces him to work harder.
Walks2 is just so poised. Something special.
Boyd and Young down back were generals.
Reidy had a day out in the ruck.
Lord, Campo... solid.
Derks... how can you complain about 5gls!
Byrne disposal is just so good.
Teacher's pet did his bit.
Darcy Hogg was probably the best of the VFL listed boys... just keeps improving.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 7 2026 Carlton vs Casey at Casey
Post by: rocky on May 09, 2026, 01:25:16 pm
As I saw it

Absolutely demolished them after quarter time. Out ran them, out tackled them, punished them on the turnover. Everything you want from  a team. If only it could translate to the seniors.

Thought Reidy was BOG. Just smahed his opponent and played like he was Luke Jackson.
Acres got plenty of the ball and kicked a couple but still has disposal issues with hand and foot IMO
Thought Lord was good across the whole game
Hogg probably had his best game for the year as did a lot of others
As I said previously both Moir and Ison have a lot of potential and got better as the game went on.
Derksen kicked 5 but I just don't know if he's an AFL standard forward
Lewis Young was a rock in defense but his disposal is nail-biting stuff
Cody Walker, gee i wish we could play him now. Just a jet
Basically everyone contributed but if i had to pick a couple for our needs it would be Moir and Ison. Speculative selections but after Kemps kicking last night worth the punt
Title: Re: VFL Rd 7 2026 Carlton vs Casey at Casey
Post by: PaulP on May 09, 2026, 01:28:22 pm
Any win by both our mens and womens team is good, and this particular one was about as good as it gets.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 7 2026 Carlton vs Casey at Casey
Post by: laj on May 09, 2026, 01:41:48 pm
Acres was a standout.
Ison is great with ball in hand. Smart.
Moir benefits from being put in amongst the action. Forces him to work harder.
Walks2 is just so poised. Something special.
Boyd and Young down back were generals.
Reidy had a day out in the ruck.
Lord, Campo... solid.
Derks... how can you complain about 5gls!
Byrne disposal is just so good.
Teacher's pet did his bit.
Darcy Hogg was probably the best of the VFL listed boys... just keeps improving.

I was impressed with Hogg last year too. We can get him as a late father/son if we/he wanted.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 7 2026 Carlton vs Casey at Casey
Post by: crashlander on May 09, 2026, 03:42:25 pm
When I left to tutor this morning, we were five points in front and probably lucky to be so: neither side knew how to kick at goal.
So, imagine my surprise when I turn the computer on and we win by 122 points!
I am going to enjoy watching this replay!

What I can gather from the statistics:
[1] Reidy must have been BOG. He not only had 23 taps, more than double anyone else (and that was HOK), but he had 15 clearances! Fifteen clearances! That more than Tom de Koning has got in any 2, maybe three matches. It is more the Cripps gets! He had 24 possessions and 2 marks.
Considering that he couldn't touch it last week, that is some return to form! I would like to see more marks, but he did everything else.

[2] Cooper Lord had 2 disposals in the first quarter. I though he must have been injured. He finished with 22, 3 clearances and 3 tackles. I still think he couldn't have been 100 %, or he would had a lot more tackles. I'll look at that with interest.

[3] We didn't have any 40 possessions guys this week. Instead, we appear to have shared the ball around more.
Blake Acres: 31 possessions, 8 marks, 1 tackle, 2 goals. His shoulders must still be issues, but this is his best game in some time.
Darcy Hogg: 28 possessions, 1 clearance, 3 tackles and 7 marks. I guess he can't get a clearance if Reidy is getting them all.
Cody Walker: 24 possessions, 9 marks, 2 clearances, 1 tackle. Not bad for an underage kid.
Ben Camporeale: 24 possessions, 6 clearances, 1 tackle and 3 marks. 2nd most clearances on the ground.
Lewis Young: 23 possessions at FB. 16 marks! He may not be the defender we want, but he is in very good form.
Jordan Boyd: 23 disposals, 1 clearance and 2 tackles.
Cooper Lord: as mentioned, he had 22.
Lachie Fogarty: 22 disposals, 2 goals, 10 marks, 2 tackles.
Harry Charleson: 21 disposals, 6 marks and 2 tackles.

That is quite a collection there!

[3] Jack Ison had 19 possessions and kicked 2 goals. If he gets 19 in the seniors, he'll have a lot more than 2 goals.
Ashton Moir jad 18 disposals and kicked 2 goals as well.

[4] Matthew Cottrell: 17 disposals and 3 clearances. Definitely not in form yet. Did he have a negative job? Not the sort of numbers to get back in the 1's.

[5] Wade Derksen: 5 goals and 6 marks from 14 possessions. His man had 22 possessions, and must have been close to the BOG in the first quarter, but if you are a defender and you can't stop your man kicking goals, it wouldn't have mattered if he'd had 32! He was still beaten.

[6] Trent River for them: he seems to be stuck in the 2's. He can do a negative job. Should we be interested? I want to see what he did before I commit myself, but he has been a good footballer and still is reasonably young.
I guess I'd prefer to pick up a really athletic guy as a tagger, someone who can run guys into the ground. But, are there any in this cohort? I don't know.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 7 2026 Carlton vs Casey at Casey
Post by: Thryleon on May 09, 2026, 03:58:48 pm
@crash no to rivers.  If he was any good he would be in the ones.  They arent exactly flushed with talent.

I thought charleson was extremely good coming out of defence and helped set us up significantly for drive going forward.  
Title: Re: VFL Rd 7 2026 Carlton vs Casey at Casey
Post by: Baggers on May 09, 2026, 05:05:02 pm
@crash no to rivers.  If he was any good he would be in the ones.  They arent exactly flushed with talent.

I thought charleson was extremely good coming out of defence and helped set us up significantly for drive going forward.  

Good pick-up 3 Leos. I forgot to mention him - so many good players to choose from!! Charleson was extremely good, as you mentioned. Showed really good judgment and has a footy brain... measurable improvement.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 7 2026 Carlton vs Casey at Casey
Post by: Lods on May 09, 2026, 05:34:45 pm
@crash no to rivers.  If he was any good he would be in the ones.  They arent exactly flushed with talent.

I thought charleson was extremely good coming out of defence and helped set us up significantly for drive going forward.  

Good pick-up 3 Leos. I forgot to mention him - so many good players to choose from!! Charleson was extremely good, as you mentioned. Showed really good judgment and has a footy brain... measurable improvement.

From what I've seen of him I'd be giving him a game and a contract extension.
A player that is improving.
He's not as flashy as some but goes about his work without a lot of fuss.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 7 2026 Carlton vs Casey at Casey
Post by: Thryleon on May 09, 2026, 05:59:20 pm
Only 19 years old too.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 7 2026 Carlton vs Casey at Casey
Post by: crashlander on May 09, 2026, 07:34:25 pm
Normally you can learn a fair bit looking at the team stats, but I'm going to struggled to get much from these. Most of them we totally dominated.
The tackles one is the one that worries me a tad, even though we made the Casey guys into witch's hats:
Carlton: 37
Casey: 42

37 tackles for an entire game? That doesn't sit well with me. However, it guess we had the ball so much more that we didn't have the need to tackles often, but I'd have been happier if we had around 70.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 7 2026 Carlton vs Casey at Casey
Post by: Thryleon on May 09, 2026, 11:28:42 pm
Normally you can learn a fair bit looking at the team stats, but I'm going to struggled to get much from these. Most of them we totally dominated.
The tackles one is the one that worries me a tad, even though we made the Casey guys into witch's hats:
Carlton: 37
Casey: 42

37 tackles for an entire game? That doesn't sit well with me. However, it guess we had the ball so much more that we didn't have the need to tackles often, but I'd have been happier if we had around 70.
you cant tackle your team mate crash.  It was one way traffic and the Melbourne players hardly got a touch.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 7 2026 Carlton vs Casey at Casey
Post by: Baggers on May 10, 2026, 08:54:12 am
One of the beauties of such a dominant performance is that it places huge pressure on a number of senior players.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 7 2026 Carlton vs Casey at Casey
Post by: LP on May 10, 2026, 02:08:30 pm
One of the beauties of such a dominant performance is that it places huge pressure on a number of senior players.
Yes, finally we seem to have a crew showing some interest in winning VFL matches.

It's a foundation for developing a winning culture, perhaps we are washing our hands of the "Wolf of Wall Street" style elitist mindset that saw us largely ignore the lower levels for many years.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 7 2026 Carlton vs Casey at Casey
Post by: Professer E on May 10, 2026, 05:40:40 pm
It's only form in the seconds, but such form seems to translate better than no form in the ones
Title: Re: VFL Rd 7 2026 Carlton vs Casey at Casey
Post by: LP on May 10, 2026, 11:31:38 pm
It's only form in the seconds, but such form seems to translate better than no form in the ones
A skilled craftsmen supported by a team of dud apprentices is no craftsmen at all!
Title: Re: VFL Rd 7 2026 Carlton vs Casey at Casey
Post by: Baggers on May 11, 2026, 08:27:58 am
Good to see, no... really great to see the CFC monogram fight, gain the lead, increase the lead then go on to record a crushing victory.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 7 2026 Carlton vs Casey at Casey
Post by: LP on May 11, 2026, 11:54:34 am
Young Hogg has a real crack, never let up siren to siren, could he be a genuine AFL SF?
Title: Re: VFL Rd 7 2026 Carlton vs Casey at Casey
Post by: rocky on May 11, 2026, 05:07:36 pm
Young Hogg has a real crack, never let up siren to siren, could he be a genuine AFL SF?
Yep, he's a goer like his old man, but I think he's just not quite at that standard. Happy for him to prove me wrong
Title: Re: VFL Rd 7 2026 Carlton vs Casey at Casey
Post by: Lods on May 11, 2026, 05:33:30 pm
I love Truslove's player assessment each week. ;)  ;D
He's a good bloke.
He never has a bad word to say about anyone :D

https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2019550?fbclid=IwY2xjawRuZKtleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBicmlkETFUQ05JaE9lUm9DOWw1cEZ4c3J0YwZhcHBfaWQQMjIyMDM5MTc4ODIwMDg5MgABHr7LdLURzFuyUFZwWv6nj9dBT3tqwobaVazJhlf_32TJvZuh49ZFVrt5WEd2_aem_q5VelJaIgeo-3pNcQ5JcdA
Title: Re: VFL Rd 7 2026 Carlton vs Casey at Casey
Post by: kruddler on May 11, 2026, 06:08:11 pm
I love Truslove's player assessment each week. ;)  ;D
He's a good bloke.
He never has a bad word to say about anyone :D

https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2019550?fbclid=IwY2xjawRuZKtleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBicmlkETFUQ05JaE9lUm9DOWw1cEZ4c3J0YwZhcHBfaWQQMjIyMDM5MTc4ODIwMDg5MgABHr7LdLURzFuyUFZwWv6nj9dBT3tqwobaVazJhlf_32TJvZuh49ZFVrt5WEd2_aem_q5VelJaIgeo-3pNcQ5JcdA

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16. Ben Camporeale
24 disposals, eight inside 50s, one goal

Benny Campo, it was his second game back from his concussion and he found some really good form. He was hard and tough at stoppages, and he continues to improve with his ball use going forward.
Translation: Still can't kick.

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28. Harry Charleson
21 disposals, six marks, one goal

Harry Charleson is in good form. Playing off half-back, he’s finding plenty of the ball and his defensive positioning is always improving. His offence has been a real feature in the last few weeks: kicking his first VFL goal was nice, a good reward for the work he’s putting in.
Translation: Loves to attack, can't pick up his man.

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30. Jack Ison
19 disposals, seven inside 50s, two goals

Jack had another strong performance, he’s improving his defensive intent and we know how classy he is with ball in hand. It was a strong all-round game: he played higher up the ground as a forward and got involved with our ball movement in the middle of the ground while also helping our defence.
Translation: Useless when he doesn't win the ball.

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33. Lewis Young
23 disposals (95 per cent efficiency), 16 marks

It was a strong performance from Lewis, really strong aerially. He helped us get a lot of forward-half turnovers with really strong positioning, while he was really strong overhead and has had much-improved ball use by foot.
Translation: Had a rare game where he didn't make his regular stupid turnovers.

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36. Cooper Lord
22 disposals, seven marks, one goal

Coop played predominantly in the middle while also spending a little bit of time up forward. He was hard and tough at the contest, his defensive pressure in terms of his tackling was a feature.
Translation: Can't kick.

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40. Hudson O’Keeffe
Eight disposals, 10 hitouts, one goal

It was a strong performance in the ruck and up forward. He competed hard in the air to get the ball to ground, his follow-up to pressure the opposition and tackle was a real feature of his game. His third-quarter effort [to set up Jack Sammartino’s goal] showed his want to get after the opposition, it was as good as I’ve seen from ‘Huddo’.
Translation: Tries hard, but still can't mark and gives us nothing....but did 1 good thing for the day.

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46. Matthew Cottrell
17 disposals, five marks, five inside 50s

‘Cotts’ played wing and inside mid. We loved his run to support our defence and start our ball movement up from our back half. We know he’s an elite runner which supports the way we want to play, and he played a really selfless role, holding his shape on the ground to help our midfielders. We like him around centre bounce with his power and speed, we might see more of that as time goes on.
Translation: Great work ethic. Can't kick.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 7 2026 Carlton vs Casey at Casey
Post by: PaulP on May 11, 2026, 06:22:37 pm
I love Truslove's player assessment each week. ;)  ;D
He's a good bloke.
He never has a bad word to say about anyone :D

https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2019550?fbclid=IwY2xjawRuZKtleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBicmlkETFUQ05JaE9lUm9DOWw1cEZ4c3J0YwZhcHBfaWQQMjIyMDM5MTc4ODIwMDg5MgABHr7LdLURzFuyUFZwWv6nj9dBT3tqwobaVazJhlf_32TJvZuh49ZFVrt5WEd2_aem_q5VelJaIgeo-3pNcQ5JcdA

This is the right way to go about it iMO. You can get your message across without baking the players publicly.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 7 2026 Carlton vs Casey at Casey
Post by: PaulP on May 11, 2026, 07:11:35 pm
Possibly also worth noting (as an addendum to my previous post), that a coach is unlikely to have too many complaints after his charges have recorded a thumping 100+ point victory. That would be a challenge even for old school, permanently disgruntled coaches.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 7 2026 Carlton vs Casey at Casey
Post by: Lods on May 11, 2026, 07:18:15 pm
I thought this was a good one.

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41. Matt Duffy
Six disposals

‘Duff’ played across half-back, his ball use has been a feature in recent games: when he gets the ball, he’s using it really well by foot. His defensive positioning and intent continues to grow, the boys enjoy playing with him. There’s been definite improvement there.

It would be interesting to see how Duffy's oponents are going to determine his progress.
It's OK if he's not getting it, but is keeping an opponent quiet.

Title: Re: VFL Rd 7 2026 Carlton vs Casey at Casey
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 11, 2026, 08:29:47 pm
I love Truslove's player assessment each week. ;)  ;D
He's a good bloke.
He never has a bad word to say about anyone :D

https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2019550?fbclid=IwY2xjawRuZKtleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBicmlkETFUQ05JaE9lUm9DOWw1cEZ4c3J0YwZhcHBfaWQQMjIyMDM5MTc4ODIwMDg5MgABHr7LdLURzFuyUFZwWv6nj9dBT3tqwobaVazJhlf_32TJvZuh49ZFVrt5WEd2_aem_q5VelJaIgeo-3pNcQ5JcdA

This is the right way to go about it iMO. You can get your message across without baking the players publicly.
I think this is the reason Kingsley wont last at GWS.