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Title: AFL Rd 9 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Post by: crashlander on May 07, 2026, 08:55:56 pm
Can we play 4 quarters this week? We have a poor record against Brisbane since Voss has been coach. Mind you, they've been very good in that period.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 08, 2026, 10:13:31 pm
What can I say, looked liked it was going to be a 100 pt thumping. Harry looked like he snapped out of his funk Walsh, Jagga and Cripps were very good in the second half Pitto got on top in the second half. We started to kick goals. Hate losing but at least we didnt embarrass ourselves which is what it was looking like Negatives Saad Haynes Williams Weitering
Levi Ashcroft deserved some chin music there.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Post by: rocky on May 08, 2026, 10:14:38 pm
Who would've thought playing H as the 2nd ruck would work? Actually I meant to say who wouldn't have?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Post by: cookie2 on May 08, 2026, 10:16:10 pm
Great 2H effort. Let’s hope that’s a turning point.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Post by: LordLucifer on May 08, 2026, 10:17:26 pm
Did Lachie Neale really deserve that medal ??
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 08, 2026, 10:17:42 pm
As for Ashcroft, should have been KO'd to teach him a lesson, gobby little crape !!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Post by: Professer E on May 08, 2026, 10:21:47 pm
Need to speak to AFL and get some advice of umpiring because some of the ??? decisions are mystifying. Pitto has been, of all the rucks in the comp, crucified by the rule changes...throw it up straight or f the rule off.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Post by: Professer E on May 08, 2026, 10:22:53 pm
Tired of blokes flopping against us, it's a horrible look AFL
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Post by: LordLucifer on May 08, 2026, 10:23:58 pm
Cowan did a pretty good job on Raynor too.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 08, 2026, 10:24:42 pm
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Post by: LordLucifer on May 08, 2026, 10:28:27 pm
If Kemp had of kicked straight, what might have happened ??
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Post by: Professer E on May 08, 2026, 10:32:36 pm
Our kids aren't the problem it's so-called senior players playing horribly. On this site we've been calling on the MC to move on from blokes like Saad et al. Looking forward to another debutant next week for Williams - smart, mobile half forwards like Ison are exactly what we need.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Post by: Adelaideblue on May 08, 2026, 10:33:03 pm
It wasn't just that we fought back so well in the second half, it was the team play and the way we moved the ball that was impressive. Top stuff, gives hope that some good wins could come later.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Post by: LordLucifer on May 08, 2026, 10:33:16 pm
I thought Nic Newman was the only shining light in the first half, you could tell by his desperation coupled with his facial expressions that he really really cared. Played a desperate stingy defender's game that set the platform for others to follow.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Post by: crashlander on May 08, 2026, 10:34:57 pm
I don't quite know what to feel ... I guess I mostly feel empty. To show so much in the second half and still come away empty handed ...
Was it all for nothing?
Our structural problems are still there, no matter how much heart some of our players showed, The ruck rules crucified us again: when both rucks step over the line, why is it that ours don't get the free?
Patrick Cripps: you stood up today. Still got issues, but 32 possessions, 9 clearances, 5 tackles and a goal is a huge improvement from last week.
When has another team kept harris Andrews to 5 disposals?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Post by: JonDorotich on May 08, 2026, 10:36:11 pm
Great to see glimpses of form for all of Hayward, McKay, Cerra, Smith, Cripps, Walsh, Cowan, McGovern and Ainsworth & continued great form from Carroll/Newman. And, whilst I’m not a fan of either, Hollands & Pitto also lifted.
Weitering was ok, as was Hewett and I’d stick with Wilson.
Williams, Saad, Evans ……work to do and Kemp’s kicking? Nothing publishable to say.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Post by: LordLucifer on May 08, 2026, 10:41:52 pm
Genuine question .........
When was the last time McKay played like he did in that second half ??
He led into space, he took one grab marks and then best of all, he stayed away from the kick across the body in favour of the traditional version ........ and guess what, it looked much better and worked much better.
I still think he is on the way out but his potential trade price got a nice shot in the arm tonight.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Post by: LordLucifer on May 08, 2026, 10:46:54 pm
Dogs have just beaten Port in a thriller ......... they will be a tough assignment next week, anything less than the second half effort we showed tonight and it may not be a pleasant result for us.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Post by: Lods on May 08, 2026, 10:54:22 pm
I was reading a piece on Robert Louis Stevenson earlier tonight. He wrote a book about Carlton's 2026 season. "Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde" :D
'Turning point' or an 'abberation.' A 'one off' or a 'new beginning.'
.The important thing is that we don't drop back and produce some insipid performance next week. Consistency and four quarter effort and the results will come. And the players, and Voss can make it just that little bit harder for the decision makers.
Looks like we've picked up a few injuries...Walsh, Florent and Williams.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Post by: crashlander on May 08, 2026, 10:55:48 pm
I was reading a piece on Robert Louis Stevenson earlier tonight. He wrote a book about Carlton's 2026 season. "Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde" :D
'Turning point' or an 'abberation.' A 'one off' or a 'new beginning.'
.The important thing is that we don't drop back and produce some insipid performance next week. Consistency and four quarter effort and the results will come. And the players, and Voss can make it just that little bit harder for the decision makers.
Looks like we've picked up a few injuries...Walsh, Florent and Williams.
Williams no great loss, he looks cooked
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Post by: percy on May 08, 2026, 11:23:38 pm
That maggot John Ralph trying to run the MRO agenda and get Newman and Walsh suspended, for dangerous tackle on Fletcher and jumper punch on the younger Ashcroft respectively. Saw this on Kayo.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Post by: Professer E on May 08, 2026, 11:27:15 pm
Three weeks for flopping we can play that game too
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Post by: shawny on May 08, 2026, 11:41:10 pm
honourable loss
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Post by: RiverRat on May 08, 2026, 11:46:10 pm
Pitto has been, of all the rucks in the comp, crucified by the rule changes...throw it up straight or f the rule off.
The umpire who throws the ball up should not adjudicate on free kicks for crossing the line because he/she is generally too close (and running backwards) to see what has transpired and whether any significant interference has occurred. There are 4 field umpires so the extra one in the centre square should be responsible for ruck infringements.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Post by: townsendcalling on May 09, 2026, 12:09:24 am
Kemps kicking is actually laughable. How a professional forward who trains 5 days or more a week can shank so many consecutive shots is unbelievable.
Big game for Ison in the 2's tomorrow. If he can put on another better than average performance, I'd bring him in and move Kemp to the backline to replace Haynes. He has plenty of confidence in his marking and general play etc and Weitering has publicly said the he loves playing with Kemp next to him. Ison has good hand, a touch of mongrel and can kick straight!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Post by: Professer E on May 09, 2026, 08:07:09 am
Cant see him getting back in time
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Post by: BluePhantom on May 09, 2026, 08:43:22 am
Pitto has been, of all the rucks in the comp, crucified by the rule changes...throw it up straight or f the rule off.
The umpire who throws the ball up should not adjudicate on free kicks for crossing the line because he/she is generally too close (and running backwards) to see what has transpired and whether any significant interference has occurred. There are 4 field umpires so the extra one in the centre square should be responsible for ruck infringements.
The umpire who throws the ball up should be the person who throws the ball up straight. The one where Pitto got done for crossing the line was because the ball was that side of the line. Friggin AFL, it has lost the plot with all these knee jerk rule changes, nothing but a corrupt, biased and greedy organisation lead by a guy who has zero idea and zero backbone. After I reread this it sounds like the Labor party. 🫢
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Post by: Baggers on May 09, 2026, 08:49:56 am
Kemps kicking is actually laughable. How a professional forward who trains 5 days or more a week can shank so many consecutive shots is unbelievable.
Big game for Ison in the 2's tomorrow. If he can put on another better than average performance, I'd bring him in and move Kemp to the backline to replace Haynes. He has plenty of confidence in his marking and general play etc and Weitering has publicly said the he loves playing with Kemp next to him. Ison has good hand, a touch of mongrel and can kick straight!
I wonder if he'll play (and other emergencies if they were there last night). Guess it depends on what time he left Brissy to return to Melbourne for our 10am Magoos game today. Catching a 'red-eye' before a morning game is not good prep.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Post by: laj on May 09, 2026, 09:00:41 am
At least our blokes have a sense of humour. Carlton players were sledging the Brisbane players late in the game telling them "youre doing a Carlton".
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Post by: laj on May 09, 2026, 09:03:37 am
How many Carlton v Brisbane Gabba games have gone this way over the years. Brisbane get out to a massive lead and we come back late. First game of 2024 we actually caught them.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 09, 2026, 09:15:07 am
How many Carlton v Brisbane Gabba games have gone this way over the years. Brisbane get out to a massive lead and we come back late. First game of 2024 we actually caught them.
"Missed it be that 🤏 much"
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Post by: PaulP on May 09, 2026, 09:26:37 am
I thought Chris Fagan's press conference was good. Balanced assessment of the game, and said some good, and to my mind, correct things about us.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Post by: Professer E on May 09, 2026, 09:51:19 am
Hewitt still dump kicks/hacks it forward and was fortunate a couple of times,, that's part and parcel of playing in tight, it's more about what they do when they actually have time.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Post by: shawny on May 09, 2026, 10:07:33 am
If Haywood can play to that level consistently, we did fine with the Charlie trade IMO even without all the picks.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Post by: Thryleon on May 09, 2026, 10:25:10 am
A couple of times last night Brisbane were kicking to the wings. I saw newman and weitering making sure the ball went out off hands, but the thing is, they both should have worked harder to allow the ball to bounce out to get the lasso rule instead, and this is the thing that makes me say that our boys lack nous.
It might be coachable but we are what 9 weeks into a new season and still not taking advantage of rules?
We arent talking young guys either. You just know that smart footballers will take advantage without a coaches input.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Post by: shawny on May 09, 2026, 10:54:02 am
A couple of times last night Brisbane were kicking to the wings. I saw newman and weitering making sure the ball went out off hands, but the thing is, they both should have worked harder to allow the ball to bounce out to get the lasso rule instead, and this is the thing that makes me say that our boys lack nous.
It might be coachable but we are what 9 weeks into a new season and still not taking advantage of rules?
We arent talking young guys either. You just know that smart footballers will take advantage without a coaches input.
Thats coaching my friend.
the same frustration with how many frees we give out in the ruck.
the same as our players never play for a free.
the same as harry doesnt know how to exaggerate a hold or in the back.
the same as our mids are clueless to drop the knees a few times a game to draw frees.
the list cant all be stupid.
Why can you tell already that haywood and Ainsworth have smarts kicking is reasonable.
see a pattern?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Post by: DJC on May 09, 2026, 11:13:03 am
I went to a great Lloyd Spiegel concert last night and only saw the game from about half way through the third quarter.
I saw a dominant performance from the Bluebaggers but what went wrong in the first half?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Post by: Thryleon on May 09, 2026, 11:14:03 am
A couple of times last night Brisbane were kicking to the wings. I saw newman and weitering making sure the ball went out off hands, but the thing is, they both should have worked harder to allow the ball to bounce out to get the lasso rule instead, and this is the thing that makes me say that our boys lack nous.
It might be coachable but we are what 9 weeks into a new season and still not taking advantage of rules?
We arent talking young guys either. You just know that smart footballers will take advantage without a coaches input.
Thats coaching my friend.
the same frustration with how many frees we give out in the ruck.
the same as our players never play for a free.
the same as harry doesnt know how to exaggerate a hold or in the back.
the same as our mids are clueless to drop the knees a few times a game to draw frees.
the list cant all be stupid.
Why can you tell already that haywood and Ainsworth have smarts kicking is reasonable.
see a pattern?
you cant teach stupid. Its not coaching, its instinct. You see these people in all walks of life. They need to be instructed repeatedly.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Post by: laj on May 09, 2026, 01:56:01 pm
I went to a great Lloyd Spiegel concert last night and only saw the game from about half way through the third quarter.
I saw a dominant performance from the Bluebaggers but what went wrong in the first half?
The first half was the 2nd half of other weeks. Pressure rating was just 159. Played how we were capable in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Post by: Blue Moon on May 09, 2026, 02:34:26 pm
I thought our intent was good all night, even in the first half. Couldn't win a contest, couldn't lay a glove on them when they got outside, skill errors, and umpiring decisions made it tough. Brisbane's I intensity dropped, we started winning contests, pressuring them on, the outside, they started to make mistakes, but the umpiring decisions still went against us. If you kick goals, its a different game. Kemp was just wasteful. They missed two that would have put us away, but they kept us in the game. Carlton players don't have backs and don't have heads. Hewitt should not be the one delivering into the forward line, his kicks are up and unders, he is ok going short. Cerra should always go long. He can't hit a target but his kicks go quickly and have penetration. Cripps should stop this sharing the load rubbish and just be the big dog in the middle, will make Walsh and Smith better. Pittonett getting physical in the contest and McKay getting his hands on the ball in the ruck makes us better. Our backline functions better when the ball isn't coming in without pressure. We now know our second half fade outs are not physical but mental, we now know if we play with intent we can make good sides panic and we now know our forward line can function, so now it is up to the players.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Post by: cookie2 on May 09, 2026, 02:52:07 pm
The game should be a biiig confidence booster for us. The most effective I’ve seen us play for some time. Despite losing I felt strangely elated at the end! Praying we can go on with it going forward. 🙏🏻
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 09, 2026, 03:59:04 pm
The game should be a biiig confidence booster for us. The most effective I’ve seen us play for some time. Despite losing I felt strangely elated at the end! Praying we can go on with it going forward. 🙏🏻
What stood out for me was Cripps going back to what he does best, get, give. There was one centre clearance in the last where he got it and dished off diving forward. Thats what we need from him, not the playing on trying to beat players but foot.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Post by: Lods on May 10, 2026, 07:49:05 am
I went to a great Lloyd Spiegel concert last night and only saw the game from about half way through the third quarter.
I saw a dominant performance from the Bluebaggers but what went wrong in the first half?
Good aussie bluesman !!
Used to play him a little bit on one of my radio shows.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Post by: LordLucifer on May 10, 2026, 08:45:31 am
I am still struggling to get my head around how this team can play 7-8 weeks of utter sh1te and look like a basketcase so badly.
Next thing we see is against the reigning premiers, once again, play like a totally incompetent busted butthole in the first half and then magically transform into near worldbeaters in the second half and nearly pinch it from them.
What did they drink, smoke or inject in the rooms at halftime ??
What pixie dust did they have sprinkled on them ??
What did Voss do or say that completely changed their mindset and application so dramatically ??
The other big question now has to be, was this a one off 'flash in the pan' or will the raised standards continue for the remainder of the season ??
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Post by: Thryleon on May 10, 2026, 08:58:37 am
I am still struggling to get my head around how this team can play 7-8 weeks of utter sh1te and look like a basketcase so badly.
Next thing we see is against the reigning premiers, once again, play like a totally incompetent busted butthole in the first half and then magically transform into near worldbeaters in the second half and nearly pinch it from them.
What did they drink, smoke or inject in the rooms at halftime ??
What pixie dust did they have sprinkled on them ??
What did Voss do or say that completely changed their mindset and application so dramatically ??
The other big question now has to be, was this a one off 'flash in the pan' or will the raised standards continue for the remainder of the season ??
I haven't done a deep dive but ive been paying attention to the stats. We are attempting to transition into a team that kicks more than it handballs and I think we went into handball mode after half time.
Think back to the 1970 grand final. When thr game had "gone" we just threw caution to the wind and went for it. We havent had to try fight back from behind much this season but we've been able to fo it. Its much easier to play daring football when you're down.
A bit of play late where hollands had 3 disposals in a chain off half back and then delivered to hayward who converted was what times it off to me.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Post by: Baggers on May 10, 2026, 08:58:56 am
I am still struggling to get my head around how this team can play 7-8 weeks of utter sh1te and look like a basketcase so badly.
Next thing we see is against the reigning premiers, once again, play like a totally incompetent busted butthole in the first half and then magically transform into near worldbeaters in the second half and nearly pinch it from them.
What did they drink, smoke or inject in the rooms at halftime ??
What pixie dust did they have sprinkled on them ??
What did Voss do or say that completely changed their mindset and application so dramatically ??
The other big question now has to be, was this a one off 'flash in the pan' or will the raised standards continue for the remainder of the season ??
Not wanting to be a wet blanket but... Or to what degree did Brisvegas ease up, even just a little?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Post by: Lods on May 10, 2026, 09:05:58 am
Whatever it was...it sets the standard. It shows what they're capable of doing. And that's what they'll be judged on going forward.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 10, 2026, 09:19:27 am
I am still struggling to get my head around how this team can play 7-8 weeks of utter sh1te and look like a basketcase so badly.
Next thing we see is against the reigning premiers, once again, play like a totally incompetent busted butthole in the first half and then magically transform into near worldbeaters in the second half and nearly pinch it from them.
What did they drink, smoke or inject in the rooms at halftime ??
What pixie dust did they have sprinkled on them ??
What did Voss do or say that completely changed their mindset and application so dramatically ??
The other big question now has to be, was this a one off 'flash in the pan' or will the raised standards continue for the remainder of the season ??
I haven't done a deep dive but ive been paying attention to the stats. We are attempting to transition into a team that kicks more than it handballs and I think we went into handball mode after half time.
Think back to the 1970 grand final. When thr game had "gone" we just threw caution to the wind and went for it. We havent had to try fight back from behind much this season but we've been able to fo it. Its much easier to play daring football when you're down.
A bit of play late where hollands had 3 disposals in a chain off half back and then delivered to hayward who converted was what times it off to me.
Interesting, Syd game is all based on Handball.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 10, 2026, 09:21:10 am
I am still struggling to get my head around how this team can play 7-8 weeks of utter sh1te and look like a basketcase so badly.
Next thing we see is against the reigning premiers, once again, play like a totally incompetent busted butthole in the first half and then magically transform into near worldbeaters in the second half and nearly pinch it from them.
What did they drink, smoke or inject in the rooms at halftime ??
What pixie dust did they have sprinkled on them ??
What did Voss do or say that completely changed their mindset and application so dramatically ??
The other big question now has to be, was this a one off 'flash in the pan' or will the raised standards continue for the remainder of the season ??
Not wanting to be a wet blanket but... Or to what degree did Brisvegas ease up, even just a little?
The look on the players faces and that of the coach told me they didnt ease up at all. Just my opinion.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Post by: kruddler on May 10, 2026, 09:49:34 am
I am still struggling to get my head around how this team can play 7-8 weeks of utter sh1te and look like a basketcase so badly.
Next thing we see is against the reigning premiers, once again, play like a totally incompetent busted butthole in the first half and then magically transform into near worldbeaters in the second half and nearly pinch it from them.
What did they drink, smoke or inject in the rooms at halftime ??
What pixie dust did they have sprinkled on them ??
What did Voss do or say that completely changed their mindset and application so dramatically ??
The other big question now has to be, was this a one off 'flash in the pan' or will the raised standards continue for the remainder of the season ??
I haven't done a deep dive but ive been paying attention to the stats. We are attempting to transition into a team that kicks more than it handballs and I think we went into handball mode after half time.
Think back to the 1970 grand final. When thr game had "gone" we just threw caution to the wind and went for it. We havent had to try fight back from behind much this season but we've been able to fo it. Its much easier to play daring football when you're down.
A bit of play late where hollands had 3 disposals in a chain off half back and then delivered to hayward who converted was what times it off to me.
H1 - 47.9% of disposals were handballs H2 - 46.6% of disposals were handballs.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Post by: MickyO on May 10, 2026, 09:53:53 am
I am still struggling to get my head around how this team can play 7-8 weeks of utter sh1te and look like a basketcase so badly.
Next thing we see is against the reigning premiers, once again, play like a totally incompetent busted butthole in the first half and then magically transform into near worldbeaters in the second half and nearly pinch it from them.
What did they drink, smoke or inject in the rooms at halftime ??
What pixie dust did they have sprinkled on them ??
What did Voss do or say that completely changed their mindset and application so dramatically ??
The other big question now has to be, was this a one off 'flash in the pan' or will the raised standards continue for the remainder of the season ??
Not wanting to be a wet blanket but... Or to what degree did Brisvegas ease up, even just a little?
Wondered this too.
Was it more they had it won and just held us at arms length to win it or did we legitimately turn it around against the top play of the Lions?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Post by: Lods on May 10, 2026, 10:00:29 am
You could probably turn that around and ask the same question of us in multiple games. How often do we release the pressure and ease up in games, allowing the opposition to get a momentum change we find difficult to stop. How often do we have that miss or error that suddenly turns a game. We lack that 'kill' instinct where just one or two more goals would have snuffed out any challenge.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Post by: Thryleon on May 10, 2026, 10:50:42 am
I haven't done a deep dive but ive been paying attention to the stats. We are attempting to transition into a team that kicks more than it handballs and I think we went into handball mode after half time.
Think back to the 1970 grand final. When thr game had "gone" we just threw caution to the wind and went for it. We havent had to try fight back from behind much this season but we've been able to fo it. Its much easier to play daring football when you're down.
A bit of play late where hollands had 3 disposals in a chain off half back and then delivered to hayward who converted was what times it off to me.
H1 - 47.9% of disposals were handballs H2 - 46.6% of disposals were handballs.
righto, that means that perception isnt accurate and i got that wrong.
Maybe its just the last bit then where its easier to take the game on when youre behind.
It happens to liverpool. They go down a goal or two and then late in games they restructure so you have a couple of proper defenders and everyone else is instructed to overload forward. Usually you see a multitude of chances when chasing a result whereas you tend to go into lead preservation mode and defend more than attack when you are ahead.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Post by: Lods on May 10, 2026, 11:11:32 am
The perception may have been how the handballs were used.
In the first half it may have been under pressure to get the ball out of contested situations. I also recall pieces of play in the second half where we used handball as an attacking weapon out of defence, that set up scoring opportunities, where the same player handled the ball more than once, as they ran it out.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Post by: Professer E on May 10, 2026, 12:03:53 pm
Nice to see people show a bit of their true ability and get a smidge if confidence back
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Post by: LP on May 10, 2026, 01:51:37 pm
I thought in the second half we were more willing to ride the initial tackle, which allowed us to dispose with better efficiency and choosing better options.
The only problem I see long term is the inconsistency of umpiring, the determination on how long you can ride the tackle before disposal is arbitrary.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Post by: Baggers on May 10, 2026, 04:29:39 pm
You could probably turn that around and ask the same question of us in multiple games. How often do we release the pressure and ease up in games, allowing the opposition to get a momentum change we find difficult to stop. How often do we have that miss or error that suddenly turns a game. We lack that 'kill' instinct where just one or two more goals would have snuffed out any challenge.
Or... we just about always give a half of terrific footy but generally follow it with a shocker. This time we reversed the halves ;) ;D The most reliable thing, for whatever reasons(s), about us is inconsistency. If our team had a psychiatric identity it'd be Multiple Personality Disorder :(
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Post by: kruddler on May 10, 2026, 04:31:56 pm
You could probably turn that around and ask the same question of us in multiple games. How often do we release the pressure and ease up in games, allowing the opposition to get a momentum change we find difficult to stop. How often do we have that miss or error that suddenly turns a game. We lack that 'kill' instinct where just one or two more goals would have snuffed out any challenge.
Or... we just about always give a half of terrific footy but generally follow it with a shocker. This time we reversed the halves ;) ;D The most reliable thing, for whatever reasons(s), about us is inconsistency. If our team had a psychiatric identity it'd be Multiple Personality Disorder :(
Bipolar.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Post by: LP on May 10, 2026, 04:53:06 pm
Confidence and competence in a game plan makes a difference measured in fractions of a second, a reduction barely noticeable except in the outcome, that reduction in hesitation is all it takes to get away an effective disposal.
Oddly, not panicking, being a little calmer, buys you a few moments of clarity. See Pendles as a reference.
A great example of the opposite was Newman touching that kick that was heading out of bounds, if he'd been a little bit patient, if he'd been a fraction clearer in his mind, he would have left it to cross the line and delivered him a lasso.
Cripps getting a fast break and trying ineffectively and unsuccessfully to get away a pressured disposal, he can just ride the bump or tackle, spin 180 if he has to, and offload to any of his passing team-mates would be 1000x better than a bodged rushed kick under pressure. Late in the game he reverted to the basics, and it made him appear much much better, he was able to create some time and space because he knew what to do.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Post by: DJC on May 10, 2026, 09:00:48 pm
Confidence and competence in a game plan makes a difference measured in fractions of a second, a reduction barely noticeable except in the outcome, that reduction in hesitation is all it takes to get away an effective disposal.
Oddly, not panicking, being a little calmer, buys you a few moments of clarity. See Pendles as a reference.
A great example of the opposite was Newman touching that kick that was heading out of bounds, if he'd been a little bit patient, if he'd been a fraction clearer in his mind, he would have left it to cross the line and delivered him a lasso.
Cripps getting a fast break and trying ineffectively and unsuccessfully to get away a pressured disposal, he can just ride the bump or tackle, spin 180 if he has to, and offload to any of his passing team-mates would be 1000x better than a bodged rushed kick under pressure. Late in the game he reverted to the basics, and it made him appear much much better, he was able to create some time and space because he knew what to do.
Yep. Stuck to what he is best at, get the aggott and hand it off to someone in a better position... creating an opportunity for a team mate - leadership (rather than kick and hope or taking on 3 tacklers - hero stuff).
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Post by: Baggers on May 11, 2026, 08:56:51 am
Or... we just about always give a half of terrific footy but generally follow it with a shocker. This time we reversed the halves ;) ;D The most reliable thing, for whatever reasons(s), about us is inconsistency. If our team had a psychiatric identity it'd be Multiple Personality Disorder :(
Bipolar.
Which type? ;) As an aside, K, did you know -- probably do-- that most of the great discoveries and inventions of human existence were made by bipolar, high functioning autistic/aspergers, depressive folks... and so on? Neurodivergent if you like. Then, of course, you have many great artists (music, painting, sculpture etc.) who created some of their best works whilst on psychedelics! Seems neuro-normals are just destined to be consumers ;D
Back on topic... Perhaps, just perhaps, after half time we were in the 'nothing to lose' mindset so the players threw off the shackles and played with freedom and boldness/risk. Fingers crossed we learned something from it.
One of the things you get from playing as we did in the second half is reward for effort. Amazing how, when getting reward for effort, it energizes and any perceived tiredness and slowness just vanishes. Everyone seems quicker and boundless with energy!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Post by: IvanAwfulbigone on May 11, 2026, 09:36:34 am
I thought Chris Fagan's press conference was good. Balanced assessment of the game, and said some good, and to my mind, correct things about us.
His post-game pressers are probably the best of all the coaches. Insightful, measured, doesn’t overuse the cliches, but I reckon he never gives up “the good oil”. Didn’t realise he has a Uni degree which is neither here nor there but he’s clearly no dummy.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Post by: shawny on May 11, 2026, 09:53:39 am
I am still struggling to get my head around how this team can play 7-8 weeks of utter sh1te and look like a basketcase so badly.
Next thing we see is against the reigning premiers, once again, play like a totally incompetent busted butthole in the first half and then magically transform into near worldbeaters in the second half and nearly pinch it from them.
What did they drink, smoke or inject in the rooms at halftime ??
What pixie dust did they have sprinkled on them ??
What did Voss do or say that completely changed their mindset and application so dramatically ??
The other big question now has to be, was this a one off 'flash in the pan' or will the raised standards continue for the remainder of the season ??
Not wanting to be a wet blanket but... Or to what degree did Brisvegas ease up, even just a little?
Probably part of it although sides don't ease up that much to allow a side to get within 10 pts with a few minutes to go either. When the margin comes down too much they usually pick up again very quickly.
We play have games to show we have talent, then play have a game with pur pressure rating between 130-150.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Post by: LP on May 11, 2026, 11:41:17 am
Yep. Stuck to what he is best at, get the aggott and hand it off to someone in a better position... creating an opportunity for a team mate - leadership (rather than kick and hope or taking on 3 tacklers - hero stuff).
I don't think it is hero stuff, I think the problem is doubt surrounding the decision chain for being tackled with the footy. Cripps is playing like prior opportunity does not exist, and just panic hacking the ball forward hopelessly, it's very ugly.
It's clear to me now that umpires have moved the emphasis on the decision chain to the tackler needing controlling the opponent with the footy, which is a bit more old school. You can't just have a midget hang off a giant who is charging down the ground and call it a tackle, the tackler must actually impede the ball carrier's progress or disposal. That is why late in the game Walsh was riding tackles, being spun and disposing of the footy, he was strong enough to stand in the tackle and dispose of the footy. Also, the way it is being umpired is another reason why teams have become drilled at dropping the footy cold, because under the old school variant if the ball is knocked free it's play on even if you've had an opportunity to carry it.
As sad as it may be for the sport, you almost need multiple versions of game style subject to the way umpires are working on the day.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Post by: LP on May 11, 2026, 12:48:41 pm
I'd mentioned in another thread that our current game style is quite similar to Brisbane, and now having watched a replay it just strengthens that perception.
Really, in the first half the difference was finishing efficiency, we struggled to turn opportunities into goals and they were able to go at 50% or maybe even better. Otherwise it looked a pretty even battle all over the ground despite Draper being dominant, in the second half Draper remained dominant but the bulk of battles were still 50/50, but our ball use and decision making improved dramatically. It's almost like we learned what we were supposed to be doing off the opposition!
Brisbane's clean use of the footy would be the envy of every other AFL coach, they pick the eyes out of half a step of space.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 11, 2026, 01:54:00 pm
I'd mentioned in another thread that our current game style is quite similar to Brisbane, and now having watched a replay it just strengthens that perception.
Really, in the first half the difference was finishing efficiency, we struggled to turn opportunities into goals and they were able to go at 50% or maybe even better. Otherwise it looked a pretty even battle all over the ground despite Draper being dominant, in the second half Draper remained dominant but the bulk of battles were still 50/50, but our ball use and decision making improved dramatically. It's almost like we learned what we were supposed to be doing off the opposition!
Brisbane's clean use of the footy would be the envy of every other AFL coach, they pick the eyes out of half a step of space.
Some of there kicks are more than clean ball use, they are "Alien" with some of the stuff they do with the footy especially inside 50 (I highlighted one previously that Charlie Cameron did a few weeks ago against Coll)
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Post by: kruddler on May 11, 2026, 02:16:22 pm
As an aside, K, did you know -- probably do-- that most of the great discoveries and inventions of human existence were made by bipolar, high functioning autistic/aspergers, depressive folks... and so on? Neurodivergent if you like. Then, of course, you have many great artists (music, painting, sculpture etc.) who created some of their best works whilst on psychedelics! Seems neuro-normals are just destined to be consumers ;D
I had a bit of a 'eureka' moment a decade or 2 ago when these diagnoses were becoming more common place. I was talking to someone about it and i said that to me, it appears to be a potential next step in the evolution of humans, rather than something that needs to be 'cured'. As you say, plenty of extraordinary things have come out of it, and continue to.
I'm not sure if its ever been suggested scientifically - it might be well established - who knows.
My wife has gone back to school to study Psychology as she has an interest in it, specifically from her own, and our sons diagnosis in the last 5 years or so. Plenty of friends are in a similar boat. Wife keeps trying to diagnose me as well
As for LCD etc, there is a big push for bringing a lot of that back as it has been well proven to 'fix' people in ways nothing has come close to since. Its a hard sell to the public/law makers and would be harder to regulate properly.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Post by: pew2 on May 11, 2026, 03:30:13 pm
how come TEAMS can go coast to coast from kick ins or defensive position can someone ask the coaching panel this happening for years
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Post by: LP on May 11, 2026, 03:36:15 pm
Some of there kicks are more than clean ball use, they are "Alien" with some of the stuff they do with the footy especially inside 50 (I highlighted one previously that Charlie Cameron did a few weeks ago against Coll)
They obsess over creating goals not kicking them, we are obsessed with kicking goals, some of our F50 are still beginners, it makes a huge difference, I think that is why we have a rushed low percentage hack and they widen the view and pass it backwards to someone on a better angle.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Post by: LP on May 11, 2026, 03:40:02 pm
As for LCD etc, there is a big push for bringing a lot of that back as it has been well proven to 'fix' people in ways nothing has come close to since. Its a hard sell to the public/law makers and would be harder to regulate properly.
LSD microdosing is rampant in some business sectors, mostly IT(Programming / Coding) and Market Traders, the stereotype exists for a reason.
If the current research is accurate, low dose LSD has some serious benefits treating depression and anxiety. The main problem seems to be the effective dose varies widely from person to person, it's not so easy to administer given widely varying tolerances to the effects.
If it can get sufficient funding for the R&D, I'm sure they will get it to a point of being commercial.
The other thing I'd like to see is use of cannabis oils for treatment of insomnia and tinnitus in ageing / elderly patients. There have been some significant studies that show a huge benefit to the quality of living, without the side-effects of some more widely available commercial options. Part of the problem, the companies setup to cheaply make stuff like Panadol Forte and Nurofen / Ibuprofen do not want competition and they have huge political clout.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 11, 2026, 07:35:15 pm
Coaches Votes BL V Carl 9 Ryan Lester (BL) 9 Lachie Neale (BL) 4 Patrick Cripps (Carl) 3 Sam Walsh (Carl) 2 Levi Ashcroft (BL) 2 Harry McKay (Carl) 1 Bruce Reville (BL)
Title: Re: AFL Rd 9 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Post by: Lods on May 11, 2026, 11:37:24 pm
Coaches Votes BL V Carl 9 Ryan Lester (BL) 9 Lachie Neale (BL) 4 Patrick Cripps (Carl) 3 Sam Walsh (Carl) 2 Levi Ashcroft (BL) 2 Harry McKay (Carl) 1 Bruce Reville (BL)
Cripps, Walsh and McKay in the votes would usually mean we were travelling pretty well in a game. :D