Bad timing for sure, Dogs were ripe for a loss and our next opponents Port are tanking so Voss could have had two wins in a row..
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: cookie2 on May 16, 2026, 10:19:54 pm
A pretty even and confident performance with a strong finish. Crippa was great and Harry certainly showed some leadership tonight. I tipped us so am especially pleased!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: shawny on May 16, 2026, 10:22:42 pm
So pleased to see a smarter game plan. We held onto the ball coming out of defense instead of the usual long bomb and apart from just having more possesions it made watching more enjoyable as we controlled posssesion when we rarely do. Most marks we have taken for a year and a half so that is no coincidence.
Great to win with so many of the young boys having impact and showing poise.
Cowan Dean Ison Jagga Carrol and Wilson were not making up the numbers tonight.
The cherry on top was Cripps of old tonight. Was a beast.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: northernblue on May 16, 2026, 10:47:36 pm
I don’t often agree with your posts @shawny but for me yes we held and controlled the ball better and apart from Cripps & Walsh didn’t seem to long bomb into the forward line and instead lowered our eyes and kicked low and direct.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: LordLucifer on May 16, 2026, 10:50:16 pm
One of the worst ever games to watch, it was a horrible spectacle on so many fronts. However, knew we were home when Ison kicked his goal.
Some of the young guys didn't look completely out of their depth, Florent played his best game for us thus far and Cowan was back to his absolute mongrel best.
Not getting carried away, as Elwood said, the Dogs were ripe for the picking and we still had some players who were passengers yet again.
The one thing that stood out for me was Jagga & Ison embracing at the end, there is a nucleus of good young guys who have a camerarderie that will be the building block for the future.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: laj on May 16, 2026, 11:01:53 pm
A pretty even and confident performance with a strong finish. Crippa was great and Harry certainly showed some leadership tonight. I tipped us so am especially pleased!
I tipped us opening round, didn't end well, and hadn't tipped us since until this week.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Thryleon on May 16, 2026, 11:05:16 pm
I didnt see much different from other weeks.
We still did bone headed stuff with ball in hand and so did they, and we still kicked forward to no one in particular.
Only difference was the result.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: RiverRat on May 16, 2026, 11:05:53 pm
One of the worst ever games to watch, it was a horrible spectacle on so many fronts. However, knew we were home when Ison kicked his goal.
Some of the young guys didn't look completely out of their depth, Florent played his best game for us thus far and Cowan was back to his absolute mongrel best.
Not getting carried away, as Elwood said, the Dogs were ripe for the picking and we still had some players who were passengers yet again.
The one thing that stood out for me was Jagga & Ison embracing at the end, there is a nucleus of good young guys who have a camerarderie that will be the building block for the future.
Yep ..if you look under the hood at the stats it wasn't much different to normal except the Bulldogs were worse than us and we were very average. We controlled the clearances and had way more i50s but were 18% efficient down forward and can't kick goals from any systematic play. Dogs were the same at 23% efficiency but our weight of numbers in disposals and I50s won us the game.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: bratblue on May 16, 2026, 11:23:30 pm
Winning ugly its called, we don't do that much nowadays.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: LP on May 16, 2026, 11:53:39 pm
No surprise that the team's best two halves of the season were built on Crippa's clearance work - especially out of the centre.
The trouble is he's 30 now, we need him to get a chop out from some mates who don't surrender at the first sign of strife.
It certainly seems as though he can only dominate for short periods and then mainly only if/when Pitto is able to give him an armchair ride.
Hewitt is certainly not playing nowhere near as well as last year and appears to have lost a yard (or more) of pace that he can't spare but he has been more than serviceable when the pace has gone off the game in the second half of the last two games.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: crashlander on May 17, 2026, 12:29:55 am
Cripps' last quarter: 13 possessions, 5 clearances, 4 score involvements, 3 centre clearances and most of his possessions contested. Huge! He wasn't bad earlier: he and Bont sort of nullified each other, but when the final term started, Cripps lifted and Bont didn't. Bont had 24 possessions, but he didn't hurt us with them. I guess you could say something similar about Walsh: 25 possessions, 4 clearances, but did hurt them as much as Cripps did.
Our best 4 quarter player was probably Ollie Florent. He was huge! 28 possessions, 11 marks and 4 tackles. And some of the things he did were huge.
Not far behind him was Lachie Cowan. Cowan has been ordinary this year, but this was easily his best game. He marked well, he did some magnificent defensive things. He had 1 tackle, but he did so much more defensively.
Jagga Smith was also much better this week. He had 25 possessions and the longer the game went on, the better those possessions were.
Ollie Hollands gut running was excellent. He made things happen by not giving up and running hard.
Billy Wilson was ordinary early. He turned the ball over and didn't seem to have the confidence or the commitment. But, like a number of others, he really lifted.
We've definitely found one in jack Ison. He had 15 possessions and kicked 1 goal 2, but it was more the way he went about things that impressed.
Harry Dean made one shocking error early, but was very good after that. I was really surprised to see he had only 12 possessions.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: LP on May 17, 2026, 01:13:41 am
Hewitt is certainly not playing nowhere near as well as last year and appears to have lost a yard (or more) of pace that he can't spare but he has been more than serviceable when the pace has gone off the game in the second half of the last two games.
They are as effective as last year when the mode of play suits, but AFL 2026 is much faster making them look slower.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: LygonStreetLimbo on May 17, 2026, 07:09:06 am
So many goals from frees, to both teams Can’t say many of them were obvious Seems to be a blitz on “Blocked”
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Lods on May 17, 2026, 07:36:39 am
I'm not sure there was too much different to what we've seen this year. I'd probably call it a more 'even' effort over the length of the game. It was also more even in terms of the contribution, where some players who weren't having great nights had moments when they stood up.
The other thing seemed to be more of a team approach. We supported and looked for options rather than just bombing away. There seemed to be a lot of two player tackles, or corralling of the opposition, which led to them turning the ball over.
What to make of the result?
They were seriously undermanned, and lost more players during the game. But Beveridge wanted to send a message in his presser, that the result should be seen as more a case of Carlton being better, rather than making excuses for his side.
There may have been the 'sugar hit' factor which often happens after a coach change. But the win was probably just the tonic we needed for both players and supporters. The players would have felt the contrast between winning and losing and it showed how important it was, on the field, and in the rooms after the game. It may be a 'winning feeling' they want to keep repeating.
The way forward... The VFL side were strong yesterday and a few players put forward the "don't forget about me" message. I don't think they wanted to change too much up after the events of last week, especially following that good second half performance against Brisbane. That may change this week....but who to leave out?
In a funny way, with the successul season that seems to be occurring in the VFL, it may be a case that the young players have a base there, where they can continue to grow together and develop a combination, and experience that winning feeling, with occasional blocks of games in the senior side. So a young player being 'dropped' for a few games will be seen as a good thing and part of the rotations rather than a demotion.
You looked at Smith and Ison together after the game and thought there's the future. Ison and Walker are besties so that's a group that will grow together...along with others-Carroll (he's growing by the week), Dean, Wilson, Byrne, Lord, Cowan, O,Farrell, O'Keefe and others. They may not all come on But there is a good positional mix of players in that youth group that will form the basis of our side in three or four years time.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Lods on May 17, 2026, 07:53:00 am
There will be folks scouring the Op-shops for discarded number 30 Carlton jumpers this week ;) :D
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 17, 2026, 08:39:58 am
I went along to Marvel last night (which I hate), our seats are behind the goals at the Latrobe St on level 2(which I also hate). At times it was hard to see the other end without looking at the big screen but some of the umpiring decisions left me (and those around me) utterly mystified. In the 3rd at our end, the were some not paid to us in the pocket that were insane. If head office think umpiring has never been better, think again kids. In any case, I felt like at times watching us play last night was like extracting teeth without anaesthetic. Our blokes seem to know how to make the simple very difficult. Best players for me on the night were Florent, Cowan, Carroll, Walsh and Cripps later in the game. Pittonet was terrible in the ruck against a makeshift ruck brigade and with McGovern did not take a single mark all night, not one. He even got out pointed in hit outs by Lobb. The young fella in the 30 jumper showed a bit and will only get better, he looked a little lost early but got used to the pace of the game as the night wore on. To the coaching staff, can we please stop living in the pockets making our shots at goal impossible, attack the farken top of the square from time to time. A wins a win, happy for the boys to have got the 4 points in a very strange old game.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Professer E on May 17, 2026, 08:46:00 am
Yea I thought it was "find a nothing free for McNaughton" night, FMD, what drugs are the fluoro elves taking ATM?
Some real leadership from some maligned players- Walsh committing to take that mark early (and risked getting smashed), Harry imploring the kids to refocus after Ison's goal.... Can't knock the effort but gees the poor execution and disposal errors (smacks head).
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 17, 2026, 09:17:25 am
Can I also just give Crippa some love, he was mighty in the trenches tonight. The goal he kicked from the stoppage in the fwd pocket was right in front of me. He started 5 or so meters off the contest, licked his fingers and I turned to my daughter and said "Watch Crippa here", there was never going to be any other result, he just wanted that footy and that goal more than 35 other blokes out there. Inspirational.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Thryleon on May 17, 2026, 09:23:12 am
Cripps' last quarter: 13 possessions, 5 clearances, 4 score involvements, 3 centre clearances and most of his possessions contested. Huge! He wasn't bad earlier: he and Bont sort of nullified each other, but when the final term started, Cripps lifted and Bont didn't. Bont had 24 possessions, but he didn't hurt us with them. I guess you could say something similar about Walsh: 25 possessions, 4 clearances, but did hurt them as much as Cripps did.
Our best 4 quarter player was probably Ollie Florent. He was huge! 28 possessions, 11 marks and 4 tackles. And some of the things he did were huge.
Not far behind him was Lachie Cowan. Cowan has been ordinary this year, but this was easily his best game. He marked well, he did some magnificent defensive things. He had 1 tackle, but he did so much more defensively.
Jagga Smith was also much better this week. He had 25 possessions and the longer the game went on, the better those possessions were.
Ollie Hollands gut running was excellent. He made things happen by not giving up and running hard.
Billy Wilson was ordinary early. He turned the ball over and didn't seem to have the confidence or the commitment. But, like a number of others, he really lifted.
We've definitely found one in jack Ison. He had 15 possessions and kicked 1 goal 2, but it was more the way he went about things that impressed.
Harry Dean made one shocking error early, but was very good after that. I was really surprised to see he had only 12 possessions.
agree with most of this but thought matt carroll was one of our best again.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: bratblue on May 17, 2026, 09:26:17 am
Ison should never play in the VFL again, he's got a real presence. Even in the dance pregame in front of so many people he had his own moves which were cool. It wont be long before the opposition will be putting some serious time into him but I can't see him being to phased. His kicking wasn't those high floaters that to many of his team mates can only manage. Let him be the prototype for the new list manager.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: northernblue on May 17, 2026, 09:31:38 am
Cripps' last quarter: 13 possessions, 5 clearances, 4 score involvements, 3 centre clearances and most of his possessions contested. Huge! He wasn't bad earlier: he and Bont sort of nullified each other, but when the final term started, Cripps lifted and Bont didn't. Bont had 24 possessions, but he didn't hurt us with them. I guess you could say something similar about Walsh: 25 possessions, 4 clearances, but did hurt them as much as Cripps did.
Our best 4 quarter player was probably Ollie Florent. He was huge! 28 possessions, 11 marks and 4 tackles. And some of the things he did were huge.
Not far behind him was Lachie Cowan. Cowan has been ordinary this year, but this was easily his best game. He marked well, he did some magnificent defensive things. He had 1 tackle, but he did so much more defensively.
Jagga Smith was also much better this week. He had 25 possessions and the longer the game went on, the better those possessions were.
Ollie Hollands gut running was excellent. He made things happen by not giving up and running hard.
Billy Wilson was ordinary early. He turned the ball over and didn't seem to have the confidence or the commitment. But, like a number of others, he really lifted.
We've definitely found one in jack Ison. He had 15 possessions and kicked 1 goal 2, but it was more the way he went about things that impressed.
Harry Dean made one shocking error early, but was very good after that. I was really surprised to see he had only 12 possessions.
I’ll add Carroll to that as well, particularly early. The strides this guy has made are enormous, one of Vossys success stories.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: kruddler on May 17, 2026, 09:35:16 am
Did we really play that much better than last week?
To me it was similar output, only difference was the opposition were not as good.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 17, 2026, 09:38:19 am
Jagga Smith was also much better this week. He had 25 possessions and the longer the game went on, the better those possessions were.
The thing that stands out for me when Jagga gets the footy is he seems to calm (or slow) everything (including me) down. He doesnt rush when there isn't an immediate option, he scans for the next and delivers. Brilliant.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Professer E on May 17, 2026, 09:45:51 am
When's the heat going come onto Bevo from the fickle media? I know they have a lot of injuries but their twos got smashed and there some gaping list holes they haven't addressed....sound like a familiar story?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: RiverRat on May 17, 2026, 09:57:10 am
Florent was BOG over the four quarters
Cripps was THE match winner
Cowan provided the toughness that was needed in defence
Carroll continues to improve - did away with the off balance kicking that too often led to turnovers and 3 goals from the wing were significant
Hollands was better than ever with his length of the ground gut running and much better than usual with his ball use
McKay has benefited from the freedom provided by playing second ruck and was using his big body
Pittonet didn't dominate the stats sheet but was instrumental in giving his team (especially Cripps) first use of the ball at clearances and provided some effective body presence in defence
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: crashlander on May 17, 2026, 10:10:28 am
I went along to Marvel last night (which I hate), our seats are behind the goals at the Latrobe St on level 2(which I also hate). At times it was hard to see the other end without looking at the big screen but some of the umpiring decisions left me (and those around me) utterly mystified. In the 3rd at our end, the were some not paid to us in the pocket that were insane. If head office think umpiring has never been better, think again kids.
I wonder if the AFL heavies actually watch any of the games. For if they did, they would have to think differently about the umpiring. The number of frees, mostly to us, that were missed or simply ignored was mindboggling. And some of the ones that were paid ... some of those will give me nightmares for a long time to come. Some of the frees given against H, for example, were more than mystifying, they were just wrong. I've my share of umpiring over the years (when I had two functional knees): I would be embarrassed to have paid some of those that were paid last night. I know we don't tend to complain any longer, but a few clips of the non-decisions sent to the clowns who think that there is no problem must have some impact.
In any case, I felt like at times watching us play last night was like extracting teeth without anaesthetic. Our blokes seem to know how to make the simple very difficult. Best players for me on the night were Florent, Cowan, Carroll, Walsh and Cripps later in the game.
Pittonet was terrible in the ruck against a makeshift ruck brigade and with McGovern did not take a single mark all night, not one. He even got out pointed in hit outs by Lobb.
Pitto lifted in the last, which we needed. He found Lobb difficult, because Lobb has the spring that he doesn't. The commentators on the ABC really came down hard on Lobb as '2nd class ruckman', but he kept the Dogs in it in the middle for 3 quarters. When H went in, against young Emmett, it was a different tale, as H used his strength. The Dogs rarely tried Lobb against H, keeping him back to challenge Pitto, which was probably an error. Some of the frees paid against Pitto were simply awful, which didn't help. The Dogs scored when there was a free in the middle far too often. I wouldn't say that Pitto was terrible, as he was one who lifted when it was needed most, but it did highlight some of his limitations. And it was really nice to see our rucks come good when it was needed, instead of being over run.
The young fella in the 30 jumper showed a bit and will only get better, he looked a little lost early but got used to the pace of the game as the night wore on. To the coaching staff, can we please stop living in the pockets making our shots at goal impossible, attack the farken top of the square from time to time. A wins a win, happy for the boys to have got the 4 points in a very strange old game.
Ison might not be permanent for a while yet, but he is going to be very soon. The kid has what it takes.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: laj on May 17, 2026, 10:34:30 am
Did we really play that much better than last week?
To me it was similar output, only difference was the opposition were not as good.
Played 4 qtrs and finished on hard. First time we played 4 qtrs. No run-on of goals against us. Not 8 goals behind during the 3rd qtr then finish hard when we weren't going to win. Took 124 marks, so controlled tempo, better game plan, terrific ball movement when it mattered in the last qtr. So, yes, a better performance than last week. Was a bit ugly at times but that type of win does way more for a side than an honourable loss.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: shawny on May 17, 2026, 10:37:13 am
Did we really play that much better than last week?
To me it was similar output, only difference was the opposition were not as good.
Funny how you didnt notice any other changes except the opposition weren't as good :-X
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: PaulP on May 17, 2026, 10:51:58 am
The commentary around the AFL media is that we played in a similar way, with extra emphasis on the uncontested kick/mark game. The backbone on the win was contest and work at the coal face. Our pressure was good, no question.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: RiverRat on May 17, 2026, 11:01:05 am
The commentary around the AFL media is that we played in a similar way, with extra emphasis on the uncontested kick/mark game. The backbone on the win was contest and work at the coal face. Our pressure was good, no question.
The emphasis on the uncontested kick/mark game provided a nice contrast to the play-on-at-all-costs-and-turnover-the-ball-under-pressure game and the always-kick-it-high-to-a-contest game. It also might have contributed to the team being able to sustain four quarters of effort. Not pretty (or even pretty entertaining) but the outcome was preferable.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: madbluboy on May 17, 2026, 11:13:48 am
@IAJ and @shawny, you guys really cant differentiate outcome and performance can you? If that was 4 quarters explain the second quarter for me?
4 qtrs, the other mob didn't exactly score either in the 2nd qtr. You miss the other side. It was a very defensive qtr obviously. Dogs didn't score their only goal until very late. Wasn't the blow away that normally happens at any time.
Guess that answers that question. Anything else?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: PaulP on May 17, 2026, 11:44:52 am
The emphasis on the uncontested kick/mark game provided a nice contrast to the play-on-at-all-costs-and-turnover-the-ball-under-pressure game and the always-kick-it-high-to-a-contest game. It also might have contributed to the team being able to sustain four quarters of effort. Not pretty (or even pretty entertaining) but the outcome was preferable.
The ABC commentary I listened to made mention of the fact that the Doggies have had a grueling few weeks, and that they looked out on their feet by half time or thereabouts. I guess under these circumstances a keepings-off game will work well, although it does run counter to this "modern game" I keep hearing about, which is speed and run-and-gun at all costs.
At any rate, hopefully we can all strike a balance between enjoying a very rare win without thinking that we're off and away.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on May 17, 2026, 12:08:02 pm
Did we really play that much better than last week?
To me it was similar output, only difference was the opposition were not as good.
omg lol
I thought our contested work was better than theirs and we slowed the game down later in the game by holding onto the ball and not trying to run with it to limit turnovers. It was the same game style imo but with a different finishing style but it was again based around stoppage goals or free kick goals but not much system. A win is a win and you take the 4 points but the big picture for me is rebuilding the list and getting better draft picks so winning is a short term view and I'd rather we just blood youngsters like Port are doing and finish we where we need to so we get max benefit at draft time.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Lods on May 17, 2026, 12:12:12 pm
Are we rating the performance based on our own biases. ;) Those that supported Voss seem to think we did nothing different...suggesting we would have won anyway Those who wanted him moved on are pointing out areas where they thought we changed things up. There's an argument for both.
I don't think there were major differences to our performance from our game last week. But I do think it was a more even performance across the game, and even those who didn't exactly shine contributed.
The thing is there was very little time to change things up too much given the short period of time between Voss's departure and the game. I suspect that's why we didn't see wholesale changes to the team or the way we played. The inclusion of Jack was the only change from a team that ran Brisbane close...and that was fair enough. The VFL had a good win and number of players put forward a claim for selection yesterday...so we may see something different next week....or not. At any rate we did something we haven't done much this year...and that's win a game and get 4 points.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: shawny on May 17, 2026, 12:22:07 pm
@IAJ and @shawny, you guys really cant differentiate outcome and performance can you? If that was 4 quarters explain the second quarter for me?
Nice try - I will ask again did you see anything difference with the gameplan. I will give you some clues: Any difference with how we were transitioning from a kick out? any difference with our general uncontested controlling of the ball? less kicking to a contest?
What about the way we lowered our kicking into 50 and spread the difference so when the ball hit the ground there was space to snap?
If you argue against that I'm not going to bother debating it as its pointless. There was a big changes in how we played and the players were less taxed in the last quarter as a result.
And no this doesn't mean we will win every week and but at least with this gameplan we stand a better chance of beating the teams we should compared to the dated contested bang and crash system we were going with.
Anyway time will tell but i reckon the likes of Wilson, Ison, Carroll and even Jagga will like this system over the last.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on May 17, 2026, 12:25:01 pm
Are we rating the performance based on our own biases. ;) Those that supported Voss seem to think we did nothing different...suggesting we would have won anyway Those who wanted him moved on are pointing out areas where they thought we changed things up. There's an argument for both.
I don't think there were major differences to our performance from our game last week. But I do think it was a more even performance across the game, and even those who didn't exactly shine contributed.
The thing is there was very little time to change things up too much given the short period of time between Voss's departure and the game. I suspect that's why we didn't see wholesale changes to the team or the way we played. The inclusion of Jack was the only change from a team that ran Brisbane close...and that was fair enough. The VFL had a good win and number of players put forward a claim for selection yesterday...so we may see something different next week....or not. At any rate we did something we haven't done much this year...and that's win a game and get 4 points.
I still think we would have won with Voss coaching and same next game vs Port. Voss is probably unlucky with the timing and could have improved his record but imo we need to concentrate on the big picture not short term sugar hit wins.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 17, 2026, 12:26:43 pm
@IAJ and @shawny, you guys really cant differentiate outcome and performance can you? If that was 4 quarters explain the second quarter for me?
Nice try - I will ask again did you see anything difference with the gameplan. I will give you some clues: Any difference with how we were transitioning from a kick out? any difference with our general uncontested controlling of the ball? less kicking to a contest?
What about the way we lowered our kicking into 50 and spread the difference so when the ball hit the ground there was space to snap?
If you argue against that I'm not going to bother debating it as its pointless. There was a big changes in how we played and the players were less taxed in the last quarter as a result.
And no this doesn't mean we will win every week and but at least with this gameplan we stand a better chance of beating the teams we should compared to the dated contested bang and crash system we were going with.
Anyway time will tell but i reckon the likes of Wilson, Ison, Carroll and even Jagga will like this system over the last.
I thought our kicking in from behinds was deplorable, each to their own. It's the one area other teams do so much better than us. As for the way we entered the fwd line, the interim coach was our fwds coach!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: shawny on May 17, 2026, 12:28:50 pm
I thought our contested work was better than theirs and we slowed the game down later in the game by holding onto the ball and not trying to run with it to limit turnovers. It was the same game style imo but with a different finishing style but it was again based around stoppage goals or free kick goals but not much system. A win is a win and you take the 4 points but the big picture for me is rebuilding the list and getting better draft picks so winning is a short term view and I'd rather we just blood youngsters like Port are doing and finish we where we need to so we get max benefit at draft time.
I dunno about that method EB. I prefer we build a winning culture still get Walker and maybe attract a decent FA - the list is not anywhere near as bad as our ladder position IMO.
Get games into the 6 kids that played yesterday and add Walker to that and our young talent is more than ok.
Just for our culture I dont want to lose Cripps and a bottom 2 finish regardless of a few extra low picks will make it hard for him to want to stay and no chance of attracting talent in via a trade.
Get 8-9 wins finish 11th-12th and we will be viewed very differently internally and externally if we win 2 more games and finish bottom 2-3. Our club needs wins to be spirit and the winning culture much more IMO then an extra early pick or 2.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: cookie2 on May 17, 2026, 01:06:08 pm
@shawny Tend to agree. We’ve already had too much practice at being losers. We need to break with that asap.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: PaulP on May 17, 2026, 01:14:31 pm
Tend to agree. We’ve already had too much practice at being losers. We need to break with that asap.
There's nothing bad that comes from winning games and having a winning culture : fans are happy, media is off your case, players on the list want to stay and will accept less to stay, blokes from other clubs want to come over, it builds confidence and self belief, it becomes generational to the extent that good habits are passed from group to the next, and many others. I detest the idea of tanking. If Cody Walker or whomever else wants to be here, and we want him to be here, it will happen. Even if we don't get him first up, he can do a Jason Horne Francis if need be.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: LP on May 17, 2026, 01:19:49 pm
Did we really play that much better than last week?
To me it was similar output, only difference was the opposition were not as good.
I thought the second half against Brisbane was basically similar to last night, just that last night we went at it a bit longer and didn't allow the Dogs to get the same run on. But a lot of it is Cripps, he has the most dominant game I've seen from him in two years, and was continually driving us forward even when we were wasting the footy.
Other than sticking with the plan better and longer, it was basically the same game tactics we've been trying to implement all season. I do find it odd that many only notice it now, after a win, they must be blinded by hatred at other times! To me it's been obvious we have been trying to implement a Lions style of play, I've been writing as much since about Rnd 3 or 4, just that we have been NBG at it!
I thought the young Dogs were not allowed the same degree of freedom, or were incapable of making the same space, that the Lions could.
If we were truly much better we should have won by 5 or 6 goals, I'm still a little disheartened by our tendency to limp to the end.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Thryleon on May 17, 2026, 01:34:15 pm
@IAJ and @shawny, you guys really cant differentiate outcome and performance can you? If that was 4 quarters explain the second quarter for me?
Nice try - I will ask again did you see anything difference with the gameplan. I will give you some clues: Any difference with how we were transitioning from a kick out? any difference with our general uncontested controlling of the ball? less kicking to a contest?
What about the way we lowered our kicking into 50 and spread the difference so when the ball hit the ground there was space to snap?
If you argue against that I'm not going to bother debating it as its pointless. There was a big changes in how we played and the players were less taxed in the last quarter as a result.
And no this doesn't mean we will win every week and but at least with this gameplan we stand a better chance of beating the teams we should compared to the dated contested bang and crash system we were going with.
Anyway time will tell but i reckon the likes of Wilson, Ison, Carroll and even Jagga will like this system over the last.
ive watched us all year and we turned it over less. Cripps was the difference his form has been crap most of the year. Harry's last two weeks have been better than anything we dished up and florent had a massive game which speaks volumes.
Weve been defending decently for most of the year bar going to sleep in patches and that didnt happen against an under manned doggies.
What else you got?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: LP on May 17, 2026, 01:37:38 pm
ive watched us all year and we turned it over less. Cripps was the difference his form has been crap most of the year. Harry's last two weeks have been better than anything we dished up and florent had a massive game which speaks volumes.
Weve been defending decently for most of the year bar going to sleep in patches and that didnt happen against an under manned doggies.
Yes, tend to agree, last night when we were due to have our usual nap Cripps went into overdrive. At about 1/2-way through the last Cripps was dominating and Bont had only touched it once despite being thrown into the midfield.
Of course, if Cripps had already run himself into the ground earlier, that may not have happened!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: DJC on May 17, 2026, 01:44:07 pm
We still did bone headed stuff with ball in hand and so did they, and we still kicked forward to no one in particular.
Only difference was the result.
Yes, the only real difference I noticed was that our effort was more consistent over the four quarters and perhaps we were just a little more willing to take the game on, as young Matt Carroll did!
We should have won by more, but our forward line inefficiency let us down again, particularly in the second quarter. However, our tackling and ability to lock the ball in our forward 50 largely compensated for that.
Involving Indigenous players in the pre-game ceremony was a nice touch and would have made the night even more memorable for Jack Ison. I think that his inclusion made quite a difference too. His marking and link up work was very good and he rarely wasted a possession. Third most metres gained for us was a good effort in his first game.
The Doggies were certainly helped by some inexplicable centre ball up and stoppage frees. It was noticeable that players from both sides had no idea who the free was going to ::)
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Thryleon on May 17, 2026, 01:46:18 pm
We've been building all year towards more consistently. Im not sure how much 7 days makes for a new coach to takeover but no doubt everyone was reading the writing on the wall and playing with a little less endeavour and dare accordingly. We'll get the shot in the arm, but had we executed more precisely against Collingwood, North Melbourne, Melbourne, we probably would have should be sitting 4 wins.
Voss wasn't perfect. He persisted with two ruckman for too long but you could always see the logic in doing so which is all you can ask for.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: DJC on May 17, 2026, 01:54:51 pm
I prefer we build a winning culture still get Walker and maybe attract a decent FA - the list is not anywhere near as bad as our ladder position IMO.
Get games into the 6 kids that played yesterday and add Walker to that and our young talent is more than ok.
Just for our culture I dont want to lose Cripps and a bottom 2 finish regardless of a few extra low picks will make it hard for him to want to stay and no chance of attracting talent in via a trade.
Get 8-9 wins finish 11th-12th and we will be viewed very differently internally and externally if we win 2 more games and finish bottom 2-3. Our club needs wins to be spirit and the winning culture much more IMO then an extra early pick or 2.
Yes, the last thing we want to do is reinforce the notion that losing is in any way acceptable.
Put the best possible team on the park each week, reward effort and, who knows, we might even jag a wild card. Fraser's goal should be to get the players believing that winning is a realistic outcome, regardless of who we're playing.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Lods on May 17, 2026, 02:03:59 pm
I'm a bit of a Billy Wilson fan. He has pace, he does some of the link stuff very well, he gives and then runs on to create a further option, he gets good penetration with his kicks.
There are two areas I think he needs to work on. He gets moved off the contest a bit too easily. He also hesitates a bit too long after taking a mark and on a few occasions last night he held up play when we were on breaks. Look, it could be because there were no options further a field , but it did slow us up when we were on the move.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: northernblue on May 17, 2026, 02:11:05 pm
Are we rating the performance based on our own biases. ;) Those that supported Voss seem to think we did nothing different...suggesting we would have won anyway Those who wanted him moved on are pointing out areas where they thought we changed things up. There's an argument for both.
I don't think there were major differences to our performance from our game last week. But I do think it was a more even performance across the game, and even those who didn't exactly shine contributed.
The thing is there was very little time to change things up too much given the short period of time between Voss's departure and the game. I suspect that's why we didn't see wholesale changes to the team or the way we played. The inclusion of Jack was the only change from a team that ran Brisbane close...and that was fair enough. The VFL had a good win and number of players put forward a claim for selection yesterday...so we may see something different next week....or not. At any rate we did something we haven't done much this year...and that's win a game and get 4 points.
I personally think our performance against Brizvegas was indicative of an uptrend with presumably Fraser’s emphasis on more targeted kicking got us over the line. A cynic might suggest that they moved on Voss because they knew we were approaching the corner, we were in too many games to finish the season with one win, it was going to turn eventually. Now Voss is “justifiably” gone his replacement can start setting up his desk.
Full credit to Fraser and the footy dept for getting everyone focused, that win was great nourishment for the lads and supporters.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Lods on May 17, 2026, 02:58:08 pm
From what Voss was saying it seemed that he was the one who initiated the talk with Davies. It was during that discussion it was apparent that Voss understood he was not getting a new contract. He then chose to leave after the Brisbane game...the timing was more his choice. As such he gave away the opporunity for wins against the Bulldogs and Port
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: northernblue on May 17, 2026, 03:05:20 pm
From what Voss was saying it seemed that he was the one who initiated the talk with Davies. It was during that discussion it was apparent that Voss understood he was not getting a new contract. He then chose to leave after the Brisbane game...the timing was more his choice. As such he gave away the opporunity for wins against the Bulldogs and Port
It irrelevant, if I don’t have your support, I may as well let you get on with the changes that you obviously want to make. Totally reasonable position.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: PaulP on May 17, 2026, 03:07:17 pm
It irrelevant, if I don’t have your support, I may as well let you get on with the changes that you obviously want to make. Totally reasonable position.
I tend to agree.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on May 17, 2026, 03:10:55 pm
I thought our contested work was better than theirs and we slowed the game down later in the game by holding onto the ball and not trying to run with it to limit turnovers. It was the same game style imo but with a different finishing style but it was again based around stoppage goals or free kick goals but not much system. A win is a win and you take the 4 points but the big picture for me is rebuilding the list and getting better draft picks so winning is a short term view and I'd rather we just blood youngsters like Port are doing and finish we where we need to so we get max benefit at draft time.
I dunno about that method EB. I prefer we build a winning culture still get Walker and maybe attract a decent FA - the list is not anywhere near as bad as our ladder position IMO.
Get games into the 6 kids that played yesterday and add Walker to that and our young talent is more than ok.
Just for our culture I dont want to lose Cripps and a bottom 2 finish regardless of a few extra low picks will make it hard for him to want to stay and no chance of attracting talent in via a trade.
Get 8-9 wins finish 11th-12th and we will be viewed very differently internally and externally if we win 2 more games and finish bottom 2-3. Our club needs wins to be spirit and the winning culture much more IMO then an extra early pick or 2.
I guess where we differ is our opinion of the list, I think its terrible, slow, poorly skilled, unbalanced, wrong age profile/games played for a bottom team and built for a gameplan that Noah designed before he built the ark. The sacking of Agresta and Austin would tell me that Wright isnt convinced either and wants changes and im sorry but Id be trading Cripps and a couple of others while they have value. A few sugar hit wins like we saw with David Teague just wallpapers some massive cracks imo and leads us to another false dawn . I want a rebuild of the list, draft picks to help fix it and a List Manager who knows what he is doing. To me making a wildcard final game would be the worst result as the club would think it has the list moving forward and the cycle will start again and another coach will have his head on a stick outside ikon park in a couple of years. Strip it all back, new coach, new captain, new leadership group, new List Manager and do it right...
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: laj on May 17, 2026, 03:13:32 pm
Did we really play that much better than last week?
To me it was similar output, only difference was the opposition were not as good.
I thought the second half against Brisbane was basically similar to last night, just that last night we went at it a bit longer and didn't allow the Dogs to get the same run on. But a lot of it is Cripps, he has the most dominant game I've seen from him in two years, and was continually driving us forward even when we were wasting the footy.
Other than sticking with the plan better and longer, it was basically the same game tactics we've been trying to implement all season. I do find it odd that many only notice it now, after a win, they must be blinded by hatred at other times! To me it's been obvious we have been trying to implement a Lions style of play, I've been writing as much since about Rnd 3 or 4, just that we have been NBG at it!
I thought the young Dogs were not allowed the same degree of freedom, or were incapable of making the same space, that the Lions could.
If we were truly much better we should have won by 5 or 6 goals, I'm still a little disheartened by our tendency to limp to the end.
Not dropping off at any time during the 4 qtrs, not falling 8 goals behind like last week, not getting bowled over in the last half like other weeks. Just 4 qtrs. Might not have been a pretty 4 qtrs, as low scorers are, until the last qtr but we were able to keep going the whole game. Controlling tempo with uncontested marks at times, as 124 marks shows, left us with plenty of run when it mattered. We were smarter in that regard.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: DJC on May 17, 2026, 03:16:51 pm
Strip it all back, new coach, new captain, new leadership group, new List Manager and do it right...
And that is the recipe we've been following since Parko retired ::)
I cant wait for another 5 years of holding up the ladder. Whats another 100 games for 20 wins between Carlton supporters? We might even get another number 1 draft pick whilst we are at it. We have had the most of any club this century and still cant work out that the cost benefit doesn't weigh up.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: kruddler on May 17, 2026, 03:30:35 pm
I thought the second half against Brisbane was basically similar to last night, just that last night we went at it a bit longer and didn't allow the Dogs to get the same run on. But a lot of it is Cripps, he has the most dominant game I've seen from him in two years, and was continually driving us forward even when we were wasting the footy.
Other than sticking with the plan better and longer, it was basically the same game tactics we've been trying to implement all season. I do find it odd that many only notice it now, after a win, they must be blinded by hatred at other times! To me it's been obvious we have been trying to implement a Lions style of play, I've been writing as much since about Rnd 3 or 4, just that we have been NBG at it!
I thought the young Dogs were not allowed the same degree of freedom, or were incapable of making the same space, that the Lions could.
If we were truly much better we should have won by 5 or 6 goals, I'm still a little disheartened by our tendency to limp to the end.
Not dropping off at any time during the 4 qtrs, not falling 8 goals behind like last week, not getting bowled over in the last half like other weeks. Just 4 qtrs. Might not have been a pretty 4 qtrs, as low scorers are, until the last qtr but we were able to keep going the whole game. Controlling tempo with uncontested marks at times, as 124 marks shows, left us with plenty of run when it mattered. We were smarter in that regard.
There was a period in the game where we'd kicked 1 goal in 45 minutes of football. They kicked 3.3 in that time.
If that was 5.1 or 6.0 goals instead, would that change your thought process?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on May 17, 2026, 03:35:27 pm
Strip it all back, new coach, new captain, new leadership group, new List Manager and do it right...
And that is the recipe we've been following since Parko retired ::)
When Form Fours went out the door and the AFL went down the equalization path having the rich clubs being made to subsidize the poor clubs we never recovered. More Money was what bought our success, our List Management in particular has been horrendous and as I said to you pre season dont get your hopes up with a few fringe players replacing the quality we had leaving. Wright has already removed the LM and coach so he must see that as a problem area too....
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Lods on May 17, 2026, 04:10:57 pm
It irrelevant, if I don’t have your support, I may as well let you get on with the changes that you obviously want to make. Totally reasonable position.
I tend to agree.
Yes I also agree The point is that Voss's departure is being framed as a 'sacking' rather than a failure to renew a contract. Now, you can argue "little difference" ...the end result is the same. But there is a difference... in terms of who determined the timing of that decision. We will write that the club determined that timing, and over the years that will become "we sacked Voss midway through the year," when in fact the timing and method of his departure was determined by Voss. He went out on his terms, at a time of his choosing. Which version do you think he would prefer?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: laj on May 17, 2026, 04:19:29 pm
Not dropping off at any time during the 4 qtrs, not falling 8 goals behind like last week, not getting bowled over in the last half like other weeks. Just 4 qtrs. Might not have been a pretty 4 qtrs, as low scorers are, until the last qtr but we were able to keep going the whole game. Controlling tempo with uncontested marks at times, as 124 marks shows, left us with plenty of run when it mattered. We were smarter in that regard.
There was a period in the game where we'd kicked 1 goal in 45 minutes of football. They kicked 3.3 in that time.
If that was 5.1 or 6.0 goals instead, would that change your thought process?
Good try. Side do kick 3 goals in a row., Happens every week. Not sure why you'd use 3 goals in a row as an issue to suit an argument. 5+ goals in a row, as we did every week, doesn't happen so much, and not on a weekly basis. Fact was the game was always close and stayed that way the first 3 qtrs with never a lead of more than 11pts, until we opened up in the last qtr. That 2nd qtr we did kick one goal, but the Dogs were heading for a goalless qtr until that very late one, which I guessed you missed. Barely anyone scored in that qtr. Played the 4 qtrs for the first time all year, running the game out.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: LP on May 17, 2026, 04:23:44 pm
Not dropping off at any time during the 4 qtrs, not falling 8 goals behind like last week, not getting bowled over in the last half like other weeks. Just 4 qtrs. Might not have been a pretty 4 qtrs, as low scorers are, until the last qtr but we were able to keep going the whole game. Controlling tempo with uncontested marks at times, as 124 marks shows, left us with plenty of run when it mattered. We were smarter in that regard.
You're like the MRP, judging things based primarily on outcome and not intent.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Thryleon on May 17, 2026, 04:36:31 pm
There was a period in the game where we'd kicked 1 goal in 45 minutes of football. They kicked 3.3 in that time.
If that was 5.1 or 6.0 goals instead, would that change your thought process?
Good try. Side do kick 3 goals in a row., Happens every week. Not sure why you'd use 3 goals in a row as an issue to suit an argument. 5+ goals in a row, as we did every week, doesn't happen so much, and not on a weekly basis. Fact was the game was always close and stayed that way the first 3 qtrs with never a lead of more than 11pts, until we opened up in the last qtr. That 2nd qtr we did kick one goal, but the Dogs were heading for a goalless qtr until that very late one, which I guessed you missed. Barely anyone scored in that qtr. Played the 4 qtrs for the first time all year, running the game out.
actually 5 goals happens in most games these days. Collingwood jumped sydney just the other night, and then sydney did it back. Geelong put 7 straight on against Brisbane in Brisbane. Lets not discuss hawthorn and Melbourne.
Scoring 5 without a goal going in the other way is largely irrelevant when you might kick 0.4 from set shots.
Not all situations are the same. Ive picked my examples from this round alone and I remember having done more analysis into it when teague was coaching, we were often one set shot missed away from preventing those 5 goal run ons.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: laj on May 17, 2026, 04:37:55 pm
Not dropping off at any time during the 4 qtrs, not falling 8 goals behind like last week, not getting bowled over in the last half like other weeks. Just 4 qtrs. Might not have been a pretty 4 qtrs, as low scorers are, until the last qtr but we were able to keep going the whole game. Controlling tempo with uncontested marks at times, as 124 marks shows, left us with plenty of run when it mattered. We were smarter in that regard.
You're like the MRP, judging things based primarily on outcome and not intent.
Intent, outcome, pretty good. We were at least smarter the way we went about it. Allowed us to run out the 4th qtr after a hard match. That hasn't happened all year. Interesting!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: laj on May 17, 2026, 04:38:51 pm
Good try. Side do kick 3 goals in a row., Happens every week. Not sure why you'd use 3 goals in a row as an issue to suit an argument. 5+ goals in a row, as we did every week, doesn't happen so much, and not on a weekly basis. Fact was the game was always close and stayed that way the first 3 qtrs with never a lead of more than 11pts, until we opened up in the last qtr. That 2nd qtr we did kick one goal, but the Dogs were heading for a goalless qtr until that very late one, which I guessed you missed. Barely anyone scored in that qtr. Played the 4 qtrs for the first time all year, running the game out.
actually 5 goals happens in most games these days. Collingwood jumped sydney just the other night, and then sydney did it back. Geelong put 7 straight on against Brisbane in Brisbane. Lets not discuss hawthorn and Melbourne.
Scoring 5 without a goal going in the other way is largely irrelevant when you might kick 0.4 from set shots.
Not all situations are the same. Ive picked my examples from this round alone and I remember having done more analysis into it when teague was coaching, we were often one set shot missed away from preventing those 5 goal run ons.
Not every week to the same side.
Alot of people are trying very hard here.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on May 17, 2026, 04:43:45 pm
Yes I also agree The point is that Voss's departure is being framed as a 'sacking' rather than a failure to renew a contract. Now, you can argue "little difference" ...the end result is the same. But there is a difference... in terms of who determined the timing of that decision. We will write that the club determined that timing, and over the years that will become "we sacked Voss midway through the year," when in fact the timing and method of his departure was determined by Voss. He went out on his terms, at a time of his choosing. Which version do you think he would prefer?
The clubs official position was it was a mutual decision...ie jump on the sword we have given you or we will shove it in your back......
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 17, 2026, 04:52:17 pm
I dunno about that method EB. I prefer we build a winning culture still get Walker and maybe attract a decent FA - the list is not anywhere near as bad as our ladder position IMO.
Get games into the 6 kids that played yesterday and add Walker to that and our young talent is more than ok.
Just for our culture I dont want to lose Cripps and a bottom 2 finish regardless of a few extra low picks will make it hard for him to want to stay and no chance of attracting talent in via a trade.
Get 8-9 wins finish 11th-12th and we will be viewed very differently internally and externally if we win 2 more games and finish bottom 2-3. Our club needs wins to be spirit and the winning culture much more IMO then an extra early pick or 2.
I guess where we differ is our opinion of the list, I think its terrible, slow, poorly skilled, unbalanced, wrong age profile/games played for a bottom team and built for a gameplan that Noah designed before he built the ark. The sacking of Agresta and Austin would tell me that Wright isnt convinced either and wants changes and im sorry but Id be trading Cripps and a couple of others while they have value. A few sugar hit wins like we saw with David Teague just wallpapers some massive cracks imo and leads us to another false dawn . I want a rebuild of the list, draft picks to help fix it and a List Manager who knows what he is doing. To me making a wildcard final game would be the worst result as the club would think it has the list moving forward and the cycle will start again and another coach will have his head on a stick outside ikon park in a couple of years. Strip it all back, new coach, new captain, new leadership group, new List Manager and do it right...
EB I'd be ecstatic to make a Mickey Mouse wildcatrd final but we MUST NOT lose sight of the fact there is much work to do. That work is motion now and must not be deviated from no matter what the season ends up looking like. Your last sentence is it in a nutshell whether we win all, some or none of the remaining games. Wright and Davies arent dumb.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on May 17, 2026, 04:57:37 pm
I guess where we differ is our opinion of the list, I think its terrible, slow, poorly skilled, unbalanced, wrong age profile/games played for a bottom team and built for a gameplan that Noah designed before he built the ark. The sacking of Agresta and Austin would tell me that Wright isnt convinced either and wants changes and im sorry but Id be trading Cripps and a couple of others while they have value. A few sugar hit wins like we saw with David Teague just wallpapers some massive cracks imo and leads us to another false dawn . I want a rebuild of the list, draft picks to help fix it and a List Manager who knows what he is doing. To me making a wildcard final game would be the worst result as the club would think it has the list moving forward and the cycle will start again and another coach will have his head on a stick outside ikon park in a couple of years. Strip it all back, new coach, new captain, new leadership group, new List Manager and do it right...
EB I'd be ecstatic to make a Mickey Mouse wildcatrd final but we MUST NOT lose sight of the fact there is much work to do. That work is motion now and must not be deviated from no matter what the season ends up looking like. Your last sentence is it in a nutshell whether we win all, some or none of the remaining games. Wright and Davies arent dumb.
GTC..I'll see who Wright and Davies appoint as Coach and List Manager and judge their dumbness accordingly🤔....
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 17, 2026, 05:04:47 pm
EB I'd be ecstatic to make a Mickey Mouse wildcatrd final but we MUST NOT lose sight of the fact there is much work to do. That work is motion now and must not be deviated from no matter what the season ends up looking like. Your last sentence is it in a nutshell whether we win all, some or none of the remaining games. Wright and Davies arent dumb.
GTC..I'll see who Wright and Davies appoint as Coach and List Manager and judge their dumbness accordingly🤔....
I'm confident.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: northernblue on May 17, 2026, 05:13:55 pm
I've walked the road saying "They were appointed, they MUST know what theyre doing" I no longer have the confidence or foolishness to believe that...
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: laj on May 17, 2026, 05:40:08 pm
GTC..I'll see who Wright and Davies appoint as Coach and List Manager and judge their dumbness accordingly🤔....
I'm confident.
I'm hoping your confidence is well placed. Wright does have a good track record although walking through the Carlton doors, dumbness can overwhelm anyone, even the best...haha.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: MickyO on May 17, 2026, 07:01:18 pm
actually 5 goals happens in most games these days. Collingwood jumped sydney just the other night, and then sydney did it back. Geelong put 7 straight on against Brisbane in Brisbane. Lets not discuss hawthorn and Melbourne.
Scoring 5 without a goal going in the other way is largely irrelevant when you might kick 0.4 from set shots.
Not all situations are the same. Ive picked my examples from this round alone and I remember having done more analysis into it when teague was coaching, we were often one set shot missed away from preventing those 5 goal run ons.
Not every week to the same side.
Alot of people are trying very hard here.
True that.
I dont have to try too hard. I know what I see, and a rather emotive response is 5 goals conceded in a row.
Its actually a furphy. Meaningless. A statistical anomaly. Whether its the same team or not and the reality is, the dogs were inaccurate kicking away from doing it.
Thats why its rather meaningless.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: PaulP on May 17, 2026, 07:55:18 pm
Yes I also agree The point is that Voss's departure is being framed as a 'sacking' rather than a failure to renew a contract. Now, you can argue "little difference" ...the end result is the same. But there is a difference... in terms of who determined the timing of that decision. We will write that the club determined that timing, and over the years that will become "we sacked Voss midway through the year," when in fact the timing and method of his departure was determined by Voss. He went out on his terms, at a time of his choosing. Which version do you think he would prefer?
My idea of a resignation is essentially when the company or club has no issue with you, they would be happy to keep you, and you leave of your own volition, without any mitigating circumstances.
I'm not sure that temporality tips the scales one way or the other. Wright and Davies made it clear they were not going to continue with Voss, and they allowed the "resignation" narrative to take center stage, as indeed they should. Allows him to exit the club with some dignity intact. I'm sure his first preference would be to receive a contract extension and finish the work he started. His 2nd preference would be what just unfolded. Our club has a pretty dismal record of treating coaches like garbage when they exit the club. At least with Voss there was a little dignity to the affair. Small mercies and all that.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Thryleon on May 17, 2026, 09:43:10 pm
Yes I also agree The point is that Voss's departure is being framed as a 'sacking' rather than a failure to renew a contract. Now, you can argue "little difference" ...the end result is the same. But there is a difference... in terms of who determined the timing of that decision. We will write that the club determined that timing, and over the years that will become "we sacked Voss midway through the year," when in fact the timing and method of his departure was determined by Voss. He went out on his terms, at a time of his choosing. Which version do you think he would prefer?
My idea of a resignation is essentially when the company or club has no issue with you, they would be happy to keep you, and you leave of your own volition, without any mitigating circumstances.
I'm not sure that temporality tips the scales one way or the other. Wright and Davies made it clear they were not going to continue with Voss, and they allowed the "resignation" narrative to take center stage, as indeed they should. Allows him to exit the club with some dignity intact. I'm sure his first preference would be to receive a contract extension and finish the work he started. His 2nd preference would be what just unfolded. Our club has a pretty dismal record of treating coaches like garbage when they exit the club. At least with Voss there was a little dignity to the affair. Small mercies and all that.
A cynic might say that Voss decided to resign with the writing on the wall and ensuring that the club looked silly in the process. Whilst Wright and Priestly looked a bit unflustered, I dont think Voss deciding to call it quits this week was part of the plan. Perhaps we were going to let him coach out the year after all, and he was not having a bar of it.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: PaulP on May 17, 2026, 09:53:13 pm
A cynic might say that Voss decided to resign with the writing on the wall and ensuring that the club looked silly in the process. Whilst Wright and Priestly looked a bit unflustered, I don’t think Voss deciding to call it quits this week was part of the plan. Perhaps we were going to let him coach out the year after all, and he was not having a bar of it.
It's certainly possible. I suspect if anything, Wright and Davies would've been relieved to see him give his notice so promptly. The pressure is off team performance this season IMO, so they have bought themselves plenty of time.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: northernblue on May 17, 2026, 10:06:09 pm
A cynic might say that Voss decided to resign with the writing on the wall and ensuring that the club looked silly in the process. Whilst Wright and Priestly looked a bit unflustered, I don’t think Voss deciding to call it quits this week was part of the plan. Perhaps we were going to let him coach out the year after all, and he was not having a bar of it.
It's certainly possible. I suspect if anything, Wright and Davies would've been relieved to see him give his notice so promptly. The pressure is off team performance this season IMO, so they have bought themselves plenty of time.
Until we get accused of tanking… “Carlton still tanking…” will be the headlines
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: PaulP on May 17, 2026, 10:08:54 pm
My idea of a resignation is essentially when the company or club has no issue with you, they would be happy to keep you, and you leave of your own volition, without any mitigating circumstances.
I'm not sure that temporality tips the scales one way or the other. Wright and Davies made it clear they were not going to continue with Voss, and they allowed the "resignation" narrative to take center stage, as indeed they should. Allows him to exit the club with some dignity intact. I'm sure his first preference would be to receive a contract extension and finish the work he started. His 2nd preference would be what just unfolded. Our club has a pretty dismal record of treating coaches like garbage when they exit the club. At least with Voss there was a little dignity to the affair. Small mercies and all that.
A cynic might say that Voss decided to resign with the writing on the wall and ensuring that the club looked silly in the process. Whilst Wright and Priestly looked a bit unflustered, I dont think Voss deciding to call it quits this week was part of the plan. Perhaps we were going to let him coach out the year after all, and he was not having a bar of it.
I don't discount that. I'm not sure the club wanted it done so early. I always thought the later the better so there was no chance of an interim coach making a good fist of the job and putting pressure on them to give him the job on a full time basis. Fraser says he's not ready. A positive finish to the season may change his mind.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: LP on May 18, 2026, 12:03:42 am
Intent, outcome, pretty good. We were at least smarter the way we went about it. Allowed us to run out the 4th qtr after a hard match. That hasn't happened all year. Interesting!
You did watch the game against the Lions, you know a week ago!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: rocky on May 18, 2026, 04:26:23 am
Just watched the replay. Dogs had probably their worst team for quite a while and they don't have a lot of depth due to injury and whatever so I think they're in for a world of pain over the next few weeks if they don't get some troops back. Still it wouldn't be the first time we've dropped a game like this so it was nice to win for a change A good spread on contributors again Florent was very good all night I think he only butchered the ball once? Ollie Hollands had a great game I thought. Ran hard as he always does but I think this was the best I've seem him kick, live EVER Cowan probably his best for the year. Was worried about him but may have been premature Ison nice debut. Wish Moir could take a leaf out of his book. Then we'd have some serious fun Matt Carroll continues to get better and better Billy, a bit better this week. I just wish he'd go with his natural run. Looks like he's worried about stuffing up and just takes a bit long to move Thought Walsh wasn't real good Thought Cerra had a better game also I'm worried about Weitering. Reckon I could get a kick on him. Think George needs to get a move on as well
Could beat Port next week
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Blue Moon on May 18, 2026, 08:06:57 am
It is amazing what happens when the pressure from the fear of failure is released. Last year we lost three of our best players during the trade period, the three who replaced them, Hayward, Florent and Ainsworth, were good in this game. Our young players, Smith, O.Hollands, Cowan, Wilson, Ison & Dean were all good too and with energy. My criticism of Voss is he didn't play the young guys enough. They got a couple of late goals, and a couple from soft umpiring decisions, so we should have won by more. I said last week that our players don't have heads or backs and clearly Ison doesn't have a head as well, Cerra and Hewitt had their best games for the season and our leaders led. Life is full of opportunities and problems, I see opportunities for the team for the rest of the season.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: blueray on May 18, 2026, 10:33:56 am
Crippa was good in the last quarter, the first 3 quarters were bang on average with his confidence looking shot. He found a way though and showed the way. Carroll BOG for mine with Harry not far from it. More movements in-game which was something Voss was unable to do, or didn't want to do. We have something to work with, provided we have a good coach and better recruitment to support it.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: laj on May 18, 2026, 11:51:31 am
Intent, outcome, pretty good. We were at least smarter the way we went about it. Allowed us to run out the 4th qtr after a hard match. That hasn't happened all year. Interesting!
You did watch the game against the Lions, you know a week ago!
That was 2 qtrs, not 4. We were 8 goals behinds, didn't work hard so had plenty to finish on with. Miss our first half effort?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: madbluboy on May 18, 2026, 12:06:18 pm
Obviously we would have beat the Lions had Voss not coached that game.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 18, 2026, 12:16:16 pm
Obviously we would have beat the Lions had Voss not coached that game.
Might have worked a bit harder in that first half rather than pressure rating of 140 to 150.
In 40 minutes, we scored 1 goal, opposition scored 3.3. Thankfully not kicking straight.
That was 1/3rd of the total game time. Why were we so poor? What was our pressure rating then?
Can't blame Voss for that one.
Or doesn't it count this week??
If we played Sydney or Brisbane instead of an injury riddled out of form doggies, it would've been a lot worse. Dogs last 5 games have included.... 2x 10 goal losses 1x 12 point loss to freo (was 14 points for us) 1x2 point win against Port. and a loss to us.
But it has nothing to do with their 'lack of' form, its all got to do with our interim coach.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: laj on May 18, 2026, 04:44:54 pm
Might have worked a bit harder in that first half rather than pressure rating of 140 to 150.
In 40 minutes, we scored 1 goal, opposition scored 3.3. Thankfully not kicking straight.
That was 1/3rd of the total game time. Why were we so poor? What was our pressure rating then?
Can't blame Voss for that one.
Or doesn't it count this week??
If we played Sydney or Brisbane instead of an injury riddled out of form doggies, it would've been a lot worse. Dogs last 5 games have included.... 2x 10 goal losses 1x 12 point loss to freo (was 14 points for us) 1x2 point win against Port. and a loss to us.
But it has nothing to do with their 'lack of' form, its all got to do with our interim coach.
Give it away. I see through your spin. Spin...spin...spin!!! You use that alot.
We played 4 qtrs for the first time in ages and kept up the pressure, eventually finishing on. Knowing when to play tempo footy as seen with 124 marks, rather than play on and boot it to a contest meant we didn't die on out butt and had plenty left. Better than winning well then collapsing on a weekly basis. Clutching at 3 goals in a row to say otherwise...hahaha. That happens every week to a number of sides. We were never more than 11pts behind. We do 5+ goals on a weekly basis. We took on a decent side and beat them, remembering we were 3rd last because of your favourite coach. You mightn't like the answer but bad luck. Try your spin on others.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: kruddler on May 18, 2026, 05:50:49 pm
In 40 minutes, we scored 1 goal, opposition scored 3.3. Thankfully not kicking straight.
That was 1/3rd of the total game time. Why were we so poor? What was our pressure rating then?
Can't blame Voss for that one.
Or doesn't it count this week??
If we played Sydney or Brisbane instead of an injury riddled out of form doggies, it would've been a lot worse. Dogs last 5 games have included.... 2x 10 goal losses 1x 12 point loss to freo (was 14 points for us) 1x2 point win against Port. and a loss to us.
But it has nothing to do with their 'lack of' form, its all got to do with our interim coach.
Give it away. I see through your spin. Spin...spin...spin!!! You use that alot.
We played 4 qtrs for the first time in ages and kept up the pressure, eventually finishing on. Knowing when to play tempo footy as seen with 124 marks, rather than play on and boot it to a contest meant we didn't die on out butt and had plenty left. Better than winning well then collapsing on a weekly basis. Clutching at 3 goals in a row to say otherwise...hahaha. That happens every week to a number of sides. We were never more than 11pts behind. We do 5+ goals on a weekly basis. We took on a decent side and beat them, remembering we were 3rd last because of your favourite coach. You mightn't like the answer but bad luck. Try your spin on others.
I like how you can't answer any question directed to you.
Your default answer is 'spin' 'clutching at straws', 1-8, 12-40. You offer now analysis. No independent thought. Its all 'fake news' trump style misdirection.
Both myself and MBB have asked you repeatedly (and Shawny who is in the same boat) what we should expect this year now we've sacked the coach. How many wins we should get. etc. You say nothing.
If you wanna debate the merits of something, actually bring something to the table.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Lods on May 18, 2026, 08:01:45 pm
I don't think anyone can predict our number of wins from here. A lot depends on how we approach the games. Do we want to go all out to try and win as many as possible, which in some respects would be counterproductive. or Do we want to spend the rest of the year evaluating the list, trying players in different positions and getting games into youngsters. It may be a combination of both.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Sexybronco on May 18, 2026, 08:39:32 pm
I don't think anyone can predict our number of wins from here. A lot depends on how we approach the games. Do we want to go all out to try and win as many as possible, which in some respects would be counterproductive. or Do we want to spend the rest of the year evaluating the list, trying players in different positions and getting games into youngsters. It may be a combination of both.
Bottom line Lods is we always want to win, as long as evaluating the list is done on merit I’ll be happy.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: kruddler on May 18, 2026, 09:25:32 pm
I don't think anyone can predict our number of wins from here. A lot depends on how we approach the games. Do we want to go all out to try and win as many as possible, which in some respects would be counterproductive. or Do we want to spend the rest of the year evaluating the list, trying players in different positions and getting games into youngsters. It may be a combination of both.
Jim can. He has it all worked out. It simples. Only reason we won was because Voss wasn't coaching. He's said it all year.
So i'm trying to see if these mighty powers of him work with foresight, or is it just hindsight.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Thryleon on May 18, 2026, 09:37:36 pm
I don't think anyone can predict our number of wins from here. A lot depends on how we approach the games. Do we want to go all out to try and win as many as possible, which in some respects would be counterproductive. or Do we want to spend the rest of the year evaluating the list, trying players in different positions and getting games into youngsters. It may be a combination of both.
seeing jagga in tears after the siren on saturday with the boys tells me go all out for wins, worry about the draft capital later. We'll get walker, one more player wont help or hurt us significantly but being crap will.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Lods on May 18, 2026, 11:16:12 pm
I don't think anyone can predict our number of wins from here. A lot depends on how we approach the games. Do we want to go all out to try and win as many as possible, which in some respects would be counterproductive. or Do we want to spend the rest of the year evaluating the list, trying players in different positions and getting games into youngsters. It may be a combination of both.
seeing jagga in tears after the siren on saturday with the boys tells me go all out for wins, worry about the draft capital later. We'll get walker, one more player wont help or hurt us significantly but being crap will.
What I'm saying is predicting how many wins we will have from this point on is a futile task and anyone who does that is setting themselves up for failure....so why would you do it. I have no idea how many we'll win from here. Neither does anyone else.
It's not just about Walker. And even if maximising the draft options was the aim.... We have quite a number of players that are out of contract this year. We're re-setting with a new coach and recruiting team. Winning should be the aim, but in doing so we should also be looking at evaluating that list and getting some games into the kids. That will mean your results are often erratic.
Add in the sugar hit factor...if there is any. How the team settles after the immediate effects of Voss's departure fades, is another unknown. Predicting wins from this point on is an exercise in futility.
But probably the more futile exercise is dwelling too long on Voss's departure. Understandably it's still fairly raw, there is anger in some quarters, and folks want to vent...that's fair enough. Go your hardest. But the "what if Voss was still there 'win or lose' arguments" are actually pretty much a waste of time. Voss is gone and he won't be there. And once they're gone, saying what would have happened is just a guess, mostly based (with bias) on whether you thought the decision was a good one or a bad one.
At some point there has to come "acceptance". The sooner we move on, and get there the better
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: rocky on May 19, 2026, 12:58:53 am
seeing jagga in tears after the siren on saturday with the boys tells me go all out for wins, worry about the draft capital later. We'll get walker, one more player wont help or hurt us significantly but being crap will.
He was, wasn't he. Thought my eyes were playing tricks on me. God love him. Wonder if that will be highlighted in the post match meetings.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 19, 2026, 08:18:12 am
seeing jagga in tears after the siren on saturday with the boys tells me go all out for wins, worry about the draft capital later. We'll get walker, one more player wont help or hurt us significantly but being crap will.
He was, wasn't he. Thought my eyes were playing tricks on me. God love him. Wonder if that will be highlighted in the post match meetings.
You cant teach passion and competitiveness. Hopefully blokes like Jagga and Dean can provide uplift in this area and drag a few along for the ride.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: pew2 on May 19, 2026, 03:54:18 pm
like i said we beat a injury riddle wbd side by 12 pts , if we can beat port then i would be more convinced .i hope we do.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: kruddler on May 19, 2026, 03:56:00 pm
Port have unofficially acknowledged their list needs work and have been playing kids/ no names on a consistent basis and there has been little criticism about their form and they have slipped under the radar thanks to us and Essendon making the news everyday. The average Carlton less informed supporter will be happy with a few sugar hit wins and not think about the big picture or how to tackle the draft changes. It's a lot harder for us to play the system because the Carlton image is always under scrutiny and making news. Port can be crap and no one gives a second thought why but we are always over analysed and will always attract attention with team changes and reasoning. eg We dropped Hewett and it became a weekly topic for the media. Don't think we are dumber but are caught between appearing to want to win every game to appease supporters/media and playing the system for the long game.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Thryleon on May 19, 2026, 04:40:32 pm
Look at Jagga's reaction to Saturday night. The kid was in tears after the game. As it is playing for carlton is hard work. Its harder work when you arent winning.
We need to breed a winners mentality and that means forgoing the extra draft pick, and taking the hit. Tanking will not get us anywhere because our team is far too fragile to be conditional.
What we should be doing, is absolutely flogging everyone at training, so that way we lose because we arent good enough yet, and condition them to be fitter and stronger in the process.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: PaulP on May 19, 2026, 04:43:42 pm
Look at Jagga's reaction to Saturday night. The kid was in tears after the game. As it is playing for carlton is hard work. Its harder work when you arent winning.
We need to breed a winners mentality and that means forgoing the extra draft pick, and taking the hit. Tanking will not get us anywhere because our team is far too fragile to be conditional................................
I agree Thry.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: MickyO on May 19, 2026, 06:53:14 pm
Look at Jagga's reaction to Saturday night. The kid was in tears after the game. As it is playing for carlton is hard work. Its harder work when you arent winning.
We need to breed a winners mentality and that means forgoing the extra draft pick, and taking the hit. Tanking will not get us anywhere because our team is far too fragile to be conditional.
What we should be doing, is absolutely flogging everyone at training, so that way we lose because we arent good enough yet, and condition them to be fitter and stronger in the process.
Agree! We have had more than enough high draft picks and its done screw all for us.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: DJC on May 20, 2026, 02:46:13 pm
Fraser's thoughts on Vossy and the win; "We’ve exchanged text messages. He was proud of the group, his fingerprints were all over last week’s result - I was really pleased for the players and hopefully ‘Vossy’ found some joy in seeing a victory as well."
Vossy's departure on his own terms, insofar as timing, probably gives him more scope to enjoy our wins than the six coaches we've sacked this century.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Baggers on May 20, 2026, 03:53:01 pm
Fraser's thoughts on Vossy and the win; "We’ve exchanged text messages. He was proud of the group, his fingerprints were all over last week’s result - I was really pleased for the players and hopefully ‘Vossy’ found some joy in seeing a victory as well."
Vossy's departure on his own terms, insofar as timing, probably gives him more scope to enjoy our wins than the six coaches we've sacked this century.
Yep. Just listened to the same thing at Frase's media conference. This acknowledgement from Frase says volumes about how this particular ex coach is viewed by the club... very, very different -- as you point out David -- to other coaches who've departed this century. I think we can safely say that the club has 'turned the corner.'
I'd still love to see Vossy considered to replace Diesel on the Board.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: kruddler on May 20, 2026, 05:35:59 pm
.....but vossy was the problem!
We solved the problem? Didn't we?
Shawny, jimbo??
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Lods on May 20, 2026, 07:08:54 pm
We'll never know. That's what happens when they're gone.
A lot will be said about respect and relationships. The question that flows from that is "why was it considered best that Voss was not to be extended."
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: shawny on May 20, 2026, 07:11:03 pm
I never said Voss was all the problem but in my opinion he as part of it as was the list manager. Both are gone - get better replacements and will improve.
Are you going to try and defend your position with every loss..... let it go - time to move on.
You have your opinion and i have mine.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: madbluboy on May 20, 2026, 07:56:38 pm
Every loss you blamed on Voss. No excuses now, we should win every game.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: shawny on May 20, 2026, 09:16:22 pm
Every loss you blamed on Voss. No excuses now, we should win every game.
ok with me if you want to rate the coach on win loss - Fraser only needs one more win in the next 9 to be an upgarde on what voss did.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Baggers on May 21, 2026, 09:14:08 am
A very different 'parting of the ways' to the usual straight forward sacking. And that takes some time to get our collective heads around. The senior coach tendered his resignation, which was accepted. The senior coach was/is loved & respected by players and all staff at PP. Everyone from the club speaks highly, publicly, of Vossy. This is not normal for many who need to have a good guy and bad guy. Everyone's a good guy in this unique scenario. Heads explode! And some busy themselves, still, hunting for a guilty party in all this. Newsflash: it's done, time to move on.
And back to the thread... Personally, yes it was great we had a win, however... in that final qtr the Dishlickers were their own worst enemy. Two promising launches deep into their F50 went out on the full from normally reliable kicks, The Bont was on one leg at centre ball ups giving us an advantage which we took full advantage of, Pitto hardly had an opponent at that centre ball ups giving Crippa an armchair ride as he, also, wound back the clock. Bluntly, we could not have met the Dishlickers at a better time... they lost it as much as we won it. I suspect most sides above us would have put them to the sword with a big win. Sorry to be a wet blanket. However, it was important for the players to get that W reward for effort. And supporters.
We'll learn more at AO on Saturday night. Go on with it, or a reality check. Pass the popcorn please... with real melted butter. Ta.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Lods on May 21, 2026, 10:02:55 am
Great post Baggers. Yep, time to move on regarding the coach Nothing to be gained by dwelling on it.
And not a great deal to be drawn from the result. The Dogs were crippled, and those not crippled were out injured. But a win is a win, and we were probably a side that really needed that win as a circuit breaker.
The thing is that we now have a situation where the pressure is also off, and rather than concentrating on performance week by week we can look at it in terms of player development and opportunities. We shouldn't get too carried away with wins (it would be nice to get a few) but the focus is now more on the future with important roles to fill and judgements needing to be made on a number of players. At times like this you often get players stepping up and showing some extra stings to their bows.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: kruddler on May 21, 2026, 03:39:16 pm
A very different 'parting of the ways' to the usual straight forward sacking. And that takes some time to get our collective heads around. The senior coach tendered his resignation, which was accepted. The senior coach was/is loved & respected by players and all staff at PP. Everyone from the club speaks highly, publicly, of Vossy. This is not normal for many who need to have a good guy and bad guy. Everyone's a good guy in this unique scenario. Heads explode! And some busy themselves, still, hunting for a guilty party in all this. Newsflash: it's done, time to move on.
Perhaps.
The same style press release was issued in regards to Austin....yet within the week he was seeking legal action to sue the club for sacking him.
So the club has proven to tell porky pies, on the same day no less, so is it plausible that they told 2 'lies' on the same day? Absolutely. Regardless, i think its more like...."You are done here. You choose how you want to go out." Vossy chose that way.
Yes, its all done and dusted. Thats not the story though.
The story is the guys who pulled the trigger......or accepted the resignation after pointing a gun to his head. Did they do the right thing. As above, PR spin is working wonderfully.....except the austin part.....but was it actually the right decision? Time will tell.....but most likely not reveal itself at all, look at the past 25 years of coaches.
I said the week before Vossy was sacked that i expected a few more wins in the coming weeks, this being the most likely. Next week being also likely. So he's timing was off, he may have saved himself, but it appears the decision was already made, so there was no point.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on May 21, 2026, 03:58:00 pm
A very different 'parting of the ways' to the usual straight forward sacking. And that takes some time to get our collective heads around. The senior coach tendered his resignation, which was accepted. The senior coach was/is loved & respected by players and all staff at PP. Everyone from the club speaks highly, publicly, of Vossy. This is not normal for many who need to have a good guy and bad guy. Everyone's a good guy in this unique scenario. Heads explode! And some busy themselves, still, hunting for a guilty party in all this. Newsflash: it's done, time to move on.
Perhaps.
The same style press release was issued in regards to Austin....yet within the week he was seeking legal action to sue the club for sacking him.
So the club has proven to tell porky pies, on the same day no less, so is it plausible that they told 2 'lies' on the same day? Absolutely. Regardless, i think its more like...."You are done here. You choose how you want to go out." Vossy chose that way.
Yes, its all done and dusted. Thats not the story though.
The story is the guys who pulled the trigger......or accepted the resignation after pointing a gun to his head. Did they do the right thing. As above, PR spin is working wonderfully.....except the austin part.....but was it actually the right decision? Time will tell.....but most likely not reveal itself at all, look at the past 25 years of coaches.
I said the week before Vossy was sacked that i expected a few more wins in the coming weeks, this being the most likely. Next week being also likely. So he's timing was off, he may have saved himself, but it appears the decision was already made, so there was no point.
Agree with all of that, a lot of spin and bad timing, interesting that Voss might be a consultant for the new coach selection panel being assembled which is Wright, Davies and Priestley plus two outsiders and then Voss when required.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Lods on May 21, 2026, 04:03:50 pm
The story is that it's done and dusted. Voss is gone. He's not coming back. It's like asking an umpire to reverse his decision. There will be rumours and speculation and folks will choose to believe what ever fits their own feelings about the failure to extend Voss. But at the end of the day it was handled as well as these things can be handled.
There will be no accounting. There never is. The club has no avenue for accountability at that top level. The club will move on. What matters now will be the choice of a new coach. That's where the judgements on the performance of folks like Priestley's, Wright and Davies will occur. But there will be no consequences internally if they get it wrong. The board and admin are tied to the decisions as one. We don't get to vote on their performance.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Baggers on May 21, 2026, 06:40:11 pm
A very different 'parting of the ways' to the usual straight forward sacking. And that takes some time to get our collective heads around. The senior coach tendered his resignation, which was accepted. The senior coach was/is loved & respected by players and all staff at PP. Everyone from the club speaks highly, publicly, of Vossy. This is not normal for many who need to have a good guy and bad guy. Everyone's a good guy in this unique scenario. Heads explode! And some busy themselves, still, hunting for a guilty party in all this. Newsflash: it's done, time to move on.
Perhaps.
The same style press release was issued in regards to Austin....yet within the week he was seeking legal action to sue the club for sacking him.
So the club has proven to tell porky pies, on the same day no less, so is it plausible that they told 2 'lies' on the same day? Absolutely. Regardless, i think its more like...."You are done here. You choose how you want to go out." Vossy chose that way.
Yes, its all done and dusted. Thats not the story though.
The story is the guys who pulled the trigger......or accepted the resignation after pointing a gun to his head. Did they do the right thing. As above, PR spin is working wonderfully.....except the austin part.....but was it actually the right decision? Time will tell.....but most likely not reveal itself at all, look at the past 25 years of coaches.
I said the week before Vossy was sacked that i expected a few more wins in the coming weeks, this being the most likely. Next week being also likely. So he's timing was off, he may have saved himself, but it appears the decision was already made, so there was no point.
I chose to respect Vossy's version of events. He deserves that, and not jumping at shadows, creating perspectives to suit personal narratives or dwelling on the past.
And if there is an element of PR/spin... so what? What are you going to do about it? Complaining about something you've no control over seems rather pointless.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: kruddler on May 21, 2026, 07:05:46 pm
Just calling it as i see it. Why so defensive? Wasn't saying the PR/spin was a bad thing....just that its in full swing.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 21, 2026, 08:04:17 pm
The same style press release was issued in regards to Austin....yet within the week he was seeking legal action to sue the club for sacking him.
So the club has proven to tell porky pies, on the same day no less, so is it plausible that they told 2 'lies' on the same day? Absolutely. Regardless, i think its more like...."You are done here. You choose how you want to go out." Vossy chose that way.
Yes, its all done and dusted. Thats not the story though.
The story is the guys who pulled the trigger......or accepted the resignation after pointing a gun to his head. Did they do the right thing. As above, PR spin is working wonderfully.....except the austin part.....but was it actually the right decision? Time will tell.....but most likely not reveal itself at all, look at the past 25 years of coaches.
I said the week before Vossy was sacked that i expected a few more wins in the coming weeks, this being the most likely. Next week being also likely. So he's timing was off, he may have saved himself, but it appears the decision was already made, so there was no point.
Agree with all of that, a lot of spin and bad timing, interesting that Voss might be a consultant for the new coach selection panel being assembled which is Wright, Davies and Priestley plus two outsiders and then Voss when required.
Voss on the selection potentially? Where did that come from?