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Title: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: crashlander on May 23, 2026, 02:58:07 pm
Not on free-to-air TV. Not expecting much, to be honest: we have a poor record in Adelaide of recent times.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: crashlander on May 23, 2026, 10:20:46 pm
To win over there, especially without Weitering, was marvellous. Even more so since we lost Matt Carroll so early. But, our kicking for goal ... how can we go from 8 straight to end up with more points than goals?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: MickyO on May 23, 2026, 10:22:16 pm
This was a great win! Lots to Learn from - Flynn and Billy and Derks made a few Errors - particularly i feel for Flynn as he obvs felt he needed to kick the goal To be valuable and missed it! But look how much better Billy played with a bit On continuity.
Dean is just chef’s kiss- He makes errors But he has innate confidence within himself.
Jagga is chefs kiss - the speed of those hands. Ison and Byrne are terrific.
Cow - love him.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: crashlander on May 23, 2026, 10:22:45 pm
11 of the bottom 14 possession getters were Port players, and that includes Matt Carroll's duck egg due to injury. Only Flynn Young and Talor Byrne were in the bottom possessions getters.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: crashlander on May 23, 2026, 10:24:01 pm
Jack Ison: 17 possessions. Now he has to get them through the middle!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 23, 2026, 10:24:52 pm
I'm not gonna lie, after kicking 8-9 straight, I thought we were going to have a big night. Our stoppage work and ball movement was very good. Some the brain fades in front of goal really cost us a massive win. In any case, a wins a wins which for us is a lot. Best players for mine were Smith Cripps Walsh Florent Hayward McGovern and a special mention to Dean and Derksen in defence..
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: MickyO on May 23, 2026, 10:25:41 pm
Commentating - honestly, does the league nor TV stations not care one iota about professionalism? The amount of talent chomping at the bit to be footy commentators and we are left with a parochial Adelaidean and the recent ex coach of our opposition. I heard more about Butters being half back than I did about the entirety of our team and performance.
This is not just bias, it is unprofessional. Sick Of these old guys commentating games when there is young talent wanting to do it but get no look in.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: crashlander on May 23, 2026, 10:26:41 pm
To have the Port key forwards contribute next to nothing, was a huge win for us! Our defence held up remarkably well. I will enjoy watching the replay.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: kruddler on May 23, 2026, 10:27:38 pm
Jagga Smith giving credit to Vossy for setting up the foundations for the wins tonight and not playing very different apart from playing 4 quarters. Said he was shattered for Vossy.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 23, 2026, 10:28:09 pm
Jagga being interviewed on Fox, this kids speaks so well, maturity beyond his years.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: crashlander on May 23, 2026, 10:29:59 pm
Commentating - honestly, does the league nor TV stations not care one iota about professionalism? The amount of talent chomping at the bit to be footy commentators and we are left with a parochial Adelaidean and the recent ex coach of our opposition. I heard more about Butters being half back than I did about the entirety of our team and performance.
This is not just bias, it is unprofessional. Sick Of these old guys commentating games when there is young talent wanting to do it but get no look in.
I must admit, the professionalism in commentating just isn't there any longer, and hasn't been for quite a while. back when we were good, the commentators were so much better. Even Lou Richards, who bled black and white, was scrupulously non-partisan in his commentary for most of the time. The present commentators all have issues and don't bother hiding them. Maybe Channel 7 and Fox don't mind, maybe they think it does good things for their ratings, but I find it terrible.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: rocky on May 23, 2026, 10:33:16 pm
Good win. Looked better than them all night. We seemed to be making concerted efforts to 1. Play through the corridor and 2. use the quick handball release. A bit to dissect. Good to see George back to his best. The enthusiasm and energy of the younger blokes was great. Cripps playing like he could win another brownlow. Harry lots of intent. Derksen was as good, if not better, than what Weitering has produced this year. Florent another solid game. Cowan was great. Hayward was fantastic. Frankie best game for the year. Good result
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: crashlander on May 23, 2026, 10:34:06 pm
We lost the hitouts and the clearances, we had only 43 tackles (they had 53), but we dominated play. Most of our playwers made significant contributions. That wasn't the same for Port. We lost the one-percenters: 42 to 42. We lost a lot of the metrics that we normally do well in, but we got the ball and they didn't.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: kruddler on May 23, 2026, 10:36:42 pm
Commentating - honestly, does the league nor TV stations not care one iota about professionalism? The amount of talent chomping at the bit to be footy commentators and we are left with a parochial Adelaidean and the recent ex coach of our opposition. I heard more about Butters being half back than I did about the entirety of our team and performance.
This is not just bias, it is unprofessional. Sick Of these old guys commentating games when there is young talent wanting to do it but get no look in.
The best commentators around today, and yesteryear, and even going bac to the black and white days.....were from NON-footballing commentators. Yet, currently, there is the least amount of non-football commentators as ever, despite having more commentators than ever.
For mine, Huddo, Howie, Whately and even Brayshaw are among the best current commentators. Previously, Bruce and Commetti were unparalleled.
Why do we go away from that?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: MickyO on May 23, 2026, 10:50:55 pm
Commentating - honestly, does the league nor TV stations not care one iota about professionalism? The amount of talent chomping at the bit to be footy commentators and we are left with a parochial Adelaidean and the recent ex coach of our opposition. I heard more about Butters being half back than I did about the entirety of our team and performance.
This is not just bias, it is unprofessional. Sick Of these old guys commentating games when there is young talent wanting to do it but get no look in.
The best commentators around today, and yesteryear, and even going bac to the black and white days.....were from NON-footballing commentators. Yet, currently, there is the least amount of non-football commentators as ever, despite having more commentators than ever.
For mine, Huddo, Howie, Whately and even Brayshaw are among the best current commentators. Previously, Bruce and Commetti were unparalleled.
Why do we go away from that?
Why? Jobs for the boys.
And it does a real disservice to the game Imo. Because these guys hang on and then bang on about what they know - which is THEIR guy. ken went on and on about some PA player saying he hoped this or that gave him Confidence going forward- this was a minute long monologue - when we were 40pts up with a bit of play that went from Derks to Billy Ison Byrne 🙄 you know, other young players.
Basically they do not commentate the play, They wax lyrical about their own people
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: MickyO on May 23, 2026, 10:53:11 pm
Back to the game - Ainsworth. Just so smart and composed. Love him.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: bratblue on May 23, 2026, 11:52:47 pm
Fraser isn't afraid to make moves to stop any opposition momentum. Sending Gov to the back line was a nice move. The forward line isn't as cluttered and we're catching the opposition defence out of position by taking the game on and running the ball through the middle.
Cripper is spending more time in the forward line and McKay is doing more rucking.Nice to see McKay enjoying his football again and didn't seem to mind that pass from Jagga either.
The real test will be next week.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: RiverRat on May 24, 2026, 12:19:17 am
Port had one win in the game - possibly the best indigenous-themed jersey that any of the clubs have had - not too complicated and leaned heavily on the old Port Adelaide jersey - kudos.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: laj on May 24, 2026, 06:32:10 am
Nice to get wins but i'll only get more excited with a win next week. A win over Geelong would entitle us to be alot more excited. We've been their bogey side for 3 years, as a couple of Geelong supporters said on a forum page, but it is one tough task at any time.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Professer E on May 24, 2026, 08:27:07 am
I don't remember Durdin being such a dick when he ran around with us.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 24, 2026, 08:29:40 am
Port weren't fair dinkum last night. Butters on a HBF, turn it up. Lets see what happens next week against a serious side in Geel next week.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Thryleon on May 24, 2026, 08:33:28 am
I don't remember Durdin being such a dick when he ran around with us.
he could barely get on the park, but he was always a good pressure forward, and worked up and back. Good ability too, we just couldnt get the most out of him as his body kept letting him down.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Baggers on May 24, 2026, 08:35:17 am
Jagga Smith giving credit to Vossy for setting up the foundations for the wins tonight and not playing very different apart from playing 4 quarters. Said he was shattered for Vossy.
Following the media dept script perfectly. As are all players when interviewed. Excellent narrative management by the club.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Lods on May 24, 2026, 08:37:41 am
We probably need to 'park' the Voss comparisons.
There's not a lot we're doing radically different.
The first half was dominating, probably the best of the year, but we've dominated sections of games for most of the year. What we are doing is controlling the momentum switches much better. We're not scoring but we're also restricting the other team from going on multi goal runs. And we're regaining the momentum and finishing well.
One of the things that is helping us in recent weeks, and it was always on the cards, is that Hayward, Florent and Ainsworth are now settled in and combining well with the others.
Another point of difference is that we seem to be throwing players around a bit more, and they're popping up in 'unaccustomed' positions....Evans, McKay and McGovern were all deep in defence at times last night. (McKay, probably because he was rucking at the time.)
Ison and Wilson made some mistakes but the good outweighed the bad. Those errors should become less with experience.
Flynn Young also burnt a few teammates and went for goal himself when others were better placed. He didn't have a great impact, but he has had a pretty erratic month acting as an emergency at times, and not getting a lot of football. It took too long for him to be promoted in the first place when he was standing out at VFL level. He probably needs another game or two.
Hopefully Carroll's injury is not as serious as we fear. He was just starting to show a bit (a lot). While it might open up a MSD spot (if it's not too late), I'd rather have Carroll continue his progress.
Jagga Smith 15 score involvements (Nick Daicos only had 14 in his game) :D
The loss of Weitering for this game would have caused a bit of concern but Derksen and Dean seemed to cover pretty well.
A good effort, but the real test is only a week away.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Lods on May 24, 2026, 08:40:36 am
Port weren't fair dinkum last night. Butters on a HBF, turn it up. Lets see what happens next week against a serious side in Geel next week.
Carr explained that move in his media conference... it was to create more drive off half-back. Carr also admitted that our run and spread caught them somewhat by surprise. They focussed on taking our contest and pressure out of the game -- with some success -- but we got them, and hit the scoreboard, with turnover success... something new for us.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 24, 2026, 08:46:40 am
Port weren't fair dinkum last night. Butters on a HBF, turn it up. Lets see what happens next week against a serious side in Geel next week.
Carr explained that move in his media conference... it was to create more drive off half-back. Carr also admitted that our run and spread caught them somewhat by surprise. They focussed on taking our contest and pressure out of the game -- with some success -- but we got them, and hit the scoreboard, with turnover success... something new for us.
Yes Carr would say that
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: cookie2 on May 24, 2026, 08:51:34 am
Port weren't fair dinkum last night. Butters on a HBF, turn it up. Lets see what happens next week against a serious side in Geel next week.
Carr explained that move in his media conference... it was to create more drive off half-back. Carr also admitted that our run and spread caught them somewhat by surprise. They focussed on taking our contest and pressure out of the game -- with some success -- but we got them, and hit the scoreboard, with turnover success... something new for us.
The Fox commentary team were saying the same things in game.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: RiverRat on May 24, 2026, 09:30:26 am
McKay as 2nd ruck has revitalized the big guy.
Interesting that so many players are choosing to kick for goal across their bodies with their non-preferred leg from deep in the forward pockets - with limited success so far - maybe McKay has been coaching them.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Professer E on May 24, 2026, 09:41:39 am
Derkson looked a bit heart-in-mouth at times, Cameron and Neale will be all over him like sharks with blood in the water.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on May 24, 2026, 09:50:15 am
Port weren't fair dinkum last night. Butters on a HBF, turn it up. Lets see what happens next week against a serious side in Geel next week.
Port are tanking, strange moves, odd selections. Good to win for sure but perspective required and the Voss vs Fraser comparison is silly, I think Voss could have coached both games with the same result. The big change for me has been Cripps form , suddenly he has 4th quarter energy and is back to brownlow form?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: LP on May 24, 2026, 10:02:07 am
The big change for me has been Cripps form , suddenly he has 4th quarter energy and is back to brownlow form?
It's amazing how blokes playing for career survival can suddenly find the energy and effort to give the captain a chop-out! ;)
Cripps is getting to the end of games fresher, because all of a sudden those around him are making an effort.
Also last night we saw what happened when "team defense happened", in the absence of our usual reliance on Weitering to mop up the crap we normally dish up!
This group will go nowhere, because it proves that Voss was put to the sword by selfishness, now that they fear for their own future they have suddenly become selfless. Except for Flynn Young, he should be kyboshed to the VFL for eternity as a warning to others who think about burning the squad for self-benefit.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: PaulP on May 24, 2026, 10:11:47 am
I would not consider the Geelong game to be any kind of test. They are way ahead of us, and just beat a super team like Sydney by almost 5 goals. The gap in form, class, talent etc between Port and Geelong is about the same as the geographical distance between them. 4 quarters of effort is all I ask for next week. And kicking straight would be a bonus.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: northernblue on May 24, 2026, 10:17:37 am
The big change for me has been Cripps form , suddenly he has 4th quarter energy and is back to brownlow form?
It's amazing how blokes playing for career survival can suddenly find the energy and effort to give the captain a chop-out! ;)
Cripps is getting to the end of games fresher, because all of a sudden those around him are making an effort.
Also last night we saw what happened when "team defense happened", in the absence of our usual reliance on Weitering to mop up the crap we normally dish up!
This group will go nowhere, because it proves that Voss was put to the sword by selfishness, now that they fear for their own future they have suddenly become selfless. Except for Flynn Young, he should be kyboshed to the VFL for eternity as a warning to others who think about burning the squad for self-benefit.
Young’s family should be put in stocks and dragged down Royal Parade before being pilloried. If he repeats then it’s his aunts, uncles and his neighbour and their dogs turn…
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Blue Moon on May 24, 2026, 10:30:08 am
Is Flynn Young the new whipping boy.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Professer E on May 24, 2026, 10:54:05 am
No. But it was an horrendous error in judgement.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: northernblue on May 24, 2026, 11:00:23 am
It would seem Flynn is. He shouldn’t be. He needs to learn but when all you see is sackings, beheadings and public executions it shouldn’t be a surprise to see people think of themselves first. We need to teach, train and nurture, that’s draftees, staff, coaches, CEO’s and board members. Supporters too for that matter.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: shawny on May 24, 2026, 11:21:45 am
Port weren't fair dinkum last night. Butters on a HBF, turn it up. Lets see what happens next week against a serious side in Geel next week.
Port are tanking, strange moves, odd selections. Good to win for sure but perspective required and the Voss vs Fraser comparison is silly, I think Voss could have coached both games with the same result. The big change for me has been Cripps form , suddenly he has 4th quarter energy and is back to brownlow form?
EB sorry mate but cant agree with this one. You were equally positive in the pre game threads of the north pies saints melb and maybe even a few more games tipping us to bounce back and win
We fell apart the same way and lost all of them so im not as confident as you that the last 2 weeks would have been wins if everything stayed the same.
Anyhow the one thing beyond dispute is the changes in game plan use of ball going into 50, lowering the eyes, lower kicks kicking to advantage and keeping control of the ball out of defensive 50. the predictable long kicks to the wings are not anywhere near as common as they were.
We are finally beating the teams we should beat. I said all along the list is mid table imo so i expect to beat the bottom tier teams, 50/50 ratio with the mid tier and push the top teams.
Be interesting to see next week if we revert back to the contested style as Geelong is one team it worked well against.
Finally heard Haywood in an interview on sen the main difference with Fraser is he is massive on the fundamentals and not over thinking or over complicating things but purely focus on doing the basics the best you can.
Also love someone to challenge Kane on if he still thinks Cripps is finished as a footballer. Could get 9 brownlow votes in last 3 weeks. Last night after the game he criticised the port coaches for not putting more time into him. unbelievable.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: RiverRat on May 24, 2026, 11:27:29 am
Anyhow the one thing beyond dispute is the changes in game plan use of ball going into 50, lowering the eyes, lower kicks kicking to advantage and keeping control of the ball out of defensive 50. the predictable long kicks to the wings are not anywhere near as common as they were.
Agreed
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: DJC on May 24, 2026, 11:29:05 am
I think that it is more that Flynn’s shot at goal was at odds with our team first, creative ball use inside 50.
Apart from that rush of blood, I thought that Flynn was a good contributor, and particularly his work getting back in defence.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: bratblue on May 24, 2026, 11:39:20 am
He's a quick learner young Dean, a month or so ago there would've been some heavy payback to Georgiades for that shove into the pack. I wonder if he told Georgiades that he would be looking for his head in the stands if he did that again.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: MickyO on May 24, 2026, 11:39:49 am
The big change for me has been Cripps form , suddenly he has 4th quarter energy and is back to brownlow form?
It's amazing how blokes playing for career survival can suddenly find the energy and effort to give the captain a chop-out! ;)
Cripps is getting to the end of games fresher, because all of a sudden those around him are making an effort.
Also last night we saw what happened when "team defense happened", in the absence of our usual reliance on Weitering to mop up the crap we normally dish up!
This group will go nowhere, because it proves that Voss was put to the sword by selfishness, now that they fear for their own future they have suddenly become selfless. Except for Flynn Young, he should be kyboshed to the VFL for eternity as a warning to others who think about burning the squad for self-benefit.
I hope you are not being serious about Young!? Disgraceful if so! The kid has been burning it up in the VFL and been emergency with no go for weeks and is put in for one game after the coach is sacked and not surprisingly probably feels he has to show the very best of what he can offer - and misjudged a kick - had he kicked it youd be praising him for his dash carry and finish!
Give the kid a good chance ffs. Imo Billy was x10 times better than he had been previously and that’s because hes been given a decent run.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: MickyO on May 24, 2026, 11:42:41 am
It would seem Flynn is. He shouldn’t be. He needs to learn but when all you see is sackings, beheadings and public executions it shouldn’t be a surprise to see people think of themselves first. We need to teach, train and nurture, that’s draftees, staff, coaches, CEO’s and board members. Supporters too for that matter.
nope nope nope, they must execute or else will be executed. Its the Carlton way.
:D
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: PaulP on May 24, 2026, 11:45:43 am
Well done and congratulations to Harry McKay. Played his 150th game last night, a milestone seemingly gone unnoticed.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: PaulP on May 24, 2026, 11:48:57 am
It's on the public record that we have changed the way we play, going back to pre season. It was bound to click sooner or later.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: bratblue on May 24, 2026, 11:51:48 am
I'm sure the anti Voss brigade will think it's a load of s h i t.
One of Vossy's first innovations was to give our key forwards licence to help out in the backline whenever they felt it was necessary. McGovern does just that last night and it's a genius move by Fraser ::)
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Baggers on May 24, 2026, 12:23:51 pm
Interesting that so many players are choosing to kick for goal across their bodies with their non-preferred leg from deep in the forward pockets - with limited success so far - maybe McKay has been coaching them.
Reckon he'll only get better in this dual role. Good mark around the ground and his foot-passes to team mates is quality.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Thryleon on May 24, 2026, 12:24:19 pm
https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1EVMCAwKqM/
Nah its all Fraser....
:D
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: PaulP on May 24, 2026, 12:24:54 pm
There's a level of equivocation and contradiction in a piece like this that really gives me the s h i t s :
We have "A “different”-looking Carlton", and “Port is belting them in clearances, 33-22, but Carlton have scored 6.6 from intercept and 5.3 from stoppage.
“It’s just a different game that Carlton are playing.”
"Blues star Harry McKay post-game said there’d been a bit more emphasis on “taking the game on and not playing as safe, plus our pressure and defence has been really strong”."
The Blues’ fresh look had Ricciuto questioning if Fraser had been able to implement a significant game plan tweak in a short amount of time.
“I don’t think so, but you can certainly do some adjustments,” Hinkley said.
“What they change is the mental fatigue and the battle that everyone’s been trying to play with. Carlton have had this horrible season from the start of the year and felt all the pressure. Every week it kept getting bigger and worse.
“That’s been snapped with the coach change with Michael’s decision to walk away. It now gives the players a bit of freedom.”
So it's a different Carlton, but not too different, or not really different at all, the mental anguish of the last several weeks has been lifted, release the shackles, we've seen "adjustments" but not "significant tweaks" blah blah blah. Do these people actually know what's going on ?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Baggers on May 24, 2026, 12:25:44 pm
Carr explained that move in his media conference... it was to create more drive off half-back. Carr also admitted that our run and spread caught them somewhat by surprise. They focussed on taking our contest and pressure out of the game -- with some success -- but we got them, and hit the scoreboard, with turnover success... something new for us.
The Fox commentary team were saying the same things in game.
Our forwards were doing an excellent defensive job on the defenders... Butters did add something and gave us a bit of a headache in the 3rd.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Baggers on May 24, 2026, 12:29:39 pm
The big change for me has been Cripps form , suddenly he has 4th quarter energy and is back to brownlow form?
It's amazing how blokes playing for career survival can suddenly find the energy and effort to give the captain a chop-out! ;)
Cripps is getting to the end of games fresher, because all of a sudden those around him are making an effort.
Also last night we saw what happened when "team defense happened", in the absence of our usual reliance on Weitering to mop up the crap we normally dish up!
This group will go nowhere, because it proves that Voss was put to the sword by selfishness, now that they fear for their own future they have suddenly become selfless. Except for Flynn Young, he should be kyboshed to the VFL for eternity as a warning to others who think about burning the squad for self-benefit.
I think it's more a change in leadership style from the likes of Crippas and Walsh... they're no longer trying to do it all themselves, but rather involving and using others. It'll add a few years to their careers not having to bash and crash all the time.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: northernblue on May 24, 2026, 12:31:43 pm
I would not consider the Geelong game to be any kind of test. They are way ahead of us, and just beat a super team like Sydney by almost 5 goals. The gap in form, class, talent etc between Port and Geelong is about the same as the geographical distance between them. 4 quarters of effort is all I ask for next week. And kicking straight would be a bonus.
Less than two weeks ago Brisvegas only got us by two kicks after our horrendous first half. Freo three kicks. The Pussycats won't be taking us lightly and will do their homework on us... so our response will be something of a test.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Milhanna13 on May 24, 2026, 12:43:58 pm
Well done and congratulations to Harry McKay. Played his 150th game last night, a milestone seemingly gone unnoticed.
Yes indeed!
Harry may not be kicking as many goals as I'd like him to but his back up ruckwork is good and his marking around the ground is something we desperately need. His leadership in the forward line is very important too. If anything, he's contributing more to the team now than when he won the Coleman.
I'd love to see him notch up another 150 games in navy blue.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: madbluboy on May 24, 2026, 01:03:32 pm
Less than two weeks ago Brisvegas only got us by two kicks after our horrendous first half. Freo three kicks. The Pussycats won't be taking us lightly and will do their homework on us... so our response will be something of a test.
So, in Vossy's last game, we could see things coming together and moving in the right direction, against the two time reigning premiers, on their home patch ? Hmm.......
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: madbluboy on May 24, 2026, 01:07:16 pm
AFL Ladder
1. Loss 2. Loss 3. 4. 5. 6. Loss 7. Loss 8. Loss 9. Win 10. Loss 11. Loss 12. 13. Loss 14. Win 15. Carlton 16. 17. Win 18.
Adjusted after today
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: tonyo on May 24, 2026, 01:35:31 pm
Three things I hope the Carlton hierarchy and Match Committee have learned over the past two weeks (and the second half in Brisbane as well)....
(1) Keep playing the young ones and give them a license to challenge the game. We have looked so different since Billy Wilson, Ollie Hollands, Lachie Cowan, Matt Carroll, Jagga Smith have been given the thumbs up to run with the ball and kick the ball long and hard. The ball is flying into the forward line, and our forwards are starting to work out how to best use this new style. Sure, there will be mistakes, but they seem to be getting better at it the more they do it,
(2) George Hewitt must stay in the senior team. Too good to be left out, and now there is some run around him, his hard work leads to opportunities.
(3) Patrick Cripps must only ever wear a Carlton jumper.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: LP on May 24, 2026, 01:55:56 pm
There's a level of equivocation and contradiction in a piece like this that really gives me the s h i t s :
Fans think the people writing that media gibberish actually watch the game, the reader and listener see and hear what they want to see and hear.
I'm seeing the same as I have seen since Rnd 1, the difference is the percentage of game time we execute the plan, doing it longer with less waste and more sacrifice than we had in previous games. The reality is, the less waste the greater the longevity of the tactic. When we struggled it's a negative feedback loop, when we succeed it's a positive feedback loop, the tipping point is measured in a few percent one way or the other.
For some if things turn sour next week, the same critics will be claiming the potential appointment of Fraser would be a failure of due diligence.
Saviour to fraud in a week!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: laj on May 24, 2026, 01:56:31 pm
Anyhow the one thing beyond dispute is the changes in game plan use of ball going into 50, lowering the eyes, lower kicks kicking to advantage and keeping control of the ball out of defensive 50. the predictable long kicks to the wings are not anywhere near as common as they were.
Agreed
Game plan or ball use?
I commented very early on in the game that we'd sold our soul midweek for the ability to kick. In the first half it was accurately at goal and accurately to the leading forward.
At one stage i think we were going 15% KE ABOVE the norm. Elite of the elite levels. Thats not game plan.
Clearly in the 2nd half all that went out the window. So does that mean the game plan failed in the 2nd half.
Personally i think we just got a bit 'lucky' early on with our kicking and came back to the pack like normal from there.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: northernblue on May 24, 2026, 01:58:58 pm
Three things I hope the Carlton hierarchy and Match Committee have learned over the past two weeks (and the second half in Brisbane as well)....
(1) Keep playing the young ones and give them a license to challenge the game. We have looked so different since Billy Wilson, Ollie Hollands, Lachie Cowan, Matt Carroll, Jagga Smith have been given the thumbs up to run with the ball and kick the ball long and hard. The ball is flying into the forward line, and our forwards are starting to work out how to best use this new style. Sure, there will be mistakes, but they seem to be getting better at it the more they do it,
(2) George Hewitt must stay in the senior team. Too good to be left out, and now there is some run around him, his hard work leads to opportunities.
(3) Patrick Cripps must only ever wear a Carlton jumper.
I’m not sure it’s fair to say the youngsters were not authorised to run and carry but when they do they and us look and feel better.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: LP on May 24, 2026, 01:59:30 pm
We should have Braddles circuit the MCG in a golden jumper with the number 460!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: LP on May 24, 2026, 02:01:44 pm
I'm sure the anti Voss brigade will think it's a load of s h i t.
One of Vossy's first innovations was to give our key forwards licence to help out in the backline whenever they felt it was necessary. McGovern does just that last night and it's a genius move by Fraser ::)
The best thing i like about Fraser 'genius move' is how he managed to get Charlie doing it over the last 2 years. Now THAT is genius.
Fraser was coaching the last couple of years yeah?
::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: LP on May 24, 2026, 02:05:56 pm
I've think silver goes much better with navy blue.
I thought Pendles jumper number was polished brass or copper, straight from the Smith St recyclers, anyone working as a plumber or electrician in Collingwood will know exactly what I mean!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: laj on May 24, 2026, 02:57:19 pm
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Lods on May 24, 2026, 03:06:03 pm
Very sad for Carroll I'd rather have him than the MSD spot. He was just starting to hit his straps
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on May 24, 2026, 03:19:56 pm
Carroll has been a real improver and wingman who kick goals are gold, very sad for the young man and lets hope he gets back to his good form when he returns next season...do we take a MSD pick now as he should be a LTI status? re: Flynn Young...Im a fan of what he brings in terms of skills and being selfish is what all the good small forwards are and he should be encouraged to back himself in.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: laj on May 24, 2026, 03:20:56 pm
Carroll has been a real improver and wingman who kick goals are gold, very sad for the young man and lets hope he gets back to his good form when he returns next season...do we take a MSD pick now as he should be a LTI status? re: Flynn Young...Im a fan of what he brings in terms of skills and being selfish is what all the good small forwards are and he should be encouraged to back himself in.
We put him on the LTI right away
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: laj on May 24, 2026, 03:22:00 pm
Carroll has been a real improver and wingman who kick goals are gold, very sad for the young man and lets hope he gets back to his good form when he returns next season...do we take a MSD pick now as he should be a LTI status? re: Flynn Young...Im a fan of what he brings in terms of skills and being selfish is what all the good small forwards are and he should be encouraged to back himself in.
Finally got a good, young wingman and the happens.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Thryleon on May 24, 2026, 03:50:45 pm
This ACL curse our club has is just downright disturbing.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: rocky on May 24, 2026, 03:55:57 pm
Commentating - honestly, does the league nor TV stations not care one iota about professionalism? The amount of talent chomping at the bit to be footy commentators and we are left with a parochial Adelaidean and the recent ex coach of our opposition. I heard more about Butters being half back than I did about the entirety of our team and performance.
This is not just bias, it is unprofessional. Sick Of these old guys commentating games when there is young talent wanting to do it but get no look in.
You forget the days of Ian Robertson on ch7, he was a shocker in Carlton games.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Thryleon on May 24, 2026, 04:21:41 pm
Less than two weeks ago Brisvegas only got us by two kicks after our horrendous first half. Freo three kicks. The Pussycats won't be taking us lightly and will do their homework on us... so our response will be something of a test.
So, in Vossy's last game, we could see things coming together and moving in the right direction, against the two time reigning premiers, on their home patch ? Hmm.......
Totally agree. If you recall I was acknowledging just that a few weeks ago. Please don't think I'm in the 'it's all Frase's doing' camp. Nuh.
The biggest differences I notice are 1. Better four qtr performances. 2. Risk with kids (MC getting their act together - reward for effort in the Magoos). 3. On-field leaders performing as leaders and not trying to be heroes (perhaps fuelled by guilt!). 4. More leg-speed going through the middle. 5. More punishing on turn-over. 6. More run and spread/boldness/risk. 7. H to 2nd ruck & 8. Newbies allowed to play to their strengths & starting to feel at home... I've a hunch that Hayward is also a huge plus behind closed doors.
Reality: 1. Early days for Frase - the early crowing by some commentators that Frase should put his hand up for the senior coach gig is frivolous and just plain absurd. As Frase acknowledged -- he strikes me as a realist -- it's a coaching groupeffort... how very socialist ;D 2. There will be a reality check, which may be as early as Friday night against the Pussycats.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on May 24, 2026, 05:09:32 pm
Port are tanking, strange moves, odd selections. Good to win for sure but perspective required and the Voss vs Fraser comparison is silly, I think Voss could have coached both games with the same result. The big change for me has been Cripps form , suddenly he has 4th quarter energy and is back to brownlow form?
EB sorry mate but cant agree with this one. You were equally positive in the pre game threads of the north pies saints melb and maybe even a few more games tipping us to bounce back and win
We fell apart the same way and lost all of them so im not as confident as you that the last 2 weeks would have been wins if everything stayed the same.
Anyhow the one thing beyond dispute is the changes in game plan use of ball going into 50, lowering the eyes, lower kicks kicking to advantage and keeping control of the ball out of defensive 50. the predictable long kicks to the wings are not anywhere near as common as they were.
We are finally beating the teams we should beat. I said all along the list is mid table imo so i expect to beat the bottom tier teams, 50/50 ratio with the mid tier and push the top teams.
Be interesting to see next week if we revert back to the contested style as Geelong is one team it worked well against.
Finally heard Haywood in an interview on sen the main difference with Fraser is he is massive on the fundamentals and not over thinking or over complicating things but purely focus on doing the basics the best you can.
Also love someone to challenge Kane on if he still thinks Cripps is finished as a footballer. Could get 9 brownlow votes in last 3 weeks. Last night after the game he criticised the port coaches for not putting more time into him. unbelievable.
Shawny, Its a forum for opinion and you could well be right on list and coach. I did tip the team to rebound a few times as I thought the players might lift for the coach given they knew his position was on the line but they showed no spirit and let me down. The Timing playing a injury hit Bulldogs and a tanking Port has helped Fraser imo and players being let off the leash is what David Teague did so Im not sold on Fraser being any type of genius .Far easier to coach with no pressure or goals set other than to play kids and hope a few show something imho. As you know I wasnt and am still not an advocate for Voss as a senior coach but his position and ending was a calculated plan from Wright imo and the demise of Austin pre planned to coincide with Voss departing is all to convenient. I think if the club had any faith in the list then Austin would still be employed so I will respectfully disagree on our list being mid table and imo it along with the coaching prowess of Voss has been a combined failure . On the question of Cripps future and abilities.....given his last two weeks, his media interviews, Id be questioning his commitment to to the club, which I know most wont agree with. He is now running out last quarters, kicking goals, skippering with gusto and looks reborn, all in the space of a week. Where was this form and energy when the team was down? Wouldnt be because he is now on the market and trying to show other clubs he still has what it takes and worth the big money he would want to change clubs? Im also not convinced on Weitering's commitment despite his media talk and how loyal he is to the cause going forward, heard some conflicting reports on his attitude also.... Dont expect to win vs Geelong as they have more to play for and are in red hot form but dont expect a drubbing either as we usually go ok vs the Cats...
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Professer E on May 24, 2026, 05:24:59 pm
What has changed since Voss had the reins?
1. Playing Harry as second ruck/forward. Coincidentally his best two games this year have been the last two. 2. More on ball time for Smith. 3. Clear directive to hold the ball until better options emerge. Less hack kicks forward. 4. Selection of kids over veterans. No Saad, Acres, Young. Big roles given to kids like Dean. Clearly some have had their cards marked. 5. Selection of Ison who looks like a very accomplished player. 6. Selection of kids like Billy who kick hard, flat and through the corridor. 7. Timely return to form of senior players and Hewitt back in seniors. 8. Playing struggling sides who we really should be beating regardless of who is coaching.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: crashlander on May 24, 2026, 05:40:05 pm
Carroll has been a real improver and wingman who kick goals are gold, very sad for the young man and lets hope he gets back to his good form when he returns next season...do we take a MSD pick now as he should be a LTI status? re: Flynn Young...Im a fan of what he brings in terms of skills and being selfish is what all the good small forwards are and he should be encouraged to back himself in.
Finally got a good, young wingman and the happens.
We don't take many tricks on the injury front. And this year has been our best for decades!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: IvanAwfulbigone on May 24, 2026, 05:54:11 pm
Reality: 1. Early days for Frase - the early crowing by some commentators that Frase should put his hand up for the senior coach gig is frivolous and just plain absurd. As Frase acknowledged -- he strikes me as a realist -- it's a coaching groupeffort... how very socialist ;D 2. There will be a reality check, which may be as early as Friday night against the Pussycats.
I’ll reserve judgement on Fraser, for now. But if Crippa EVER again attempts to kick around the corner on his left from a set shot then we’ll know Josh is simply not up to it 😝
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: RiverRat on May 24, 2026, 06:01:17 pm
Reality: 1. Early days for Frase - the early crowing by some commentators that Frase should put his hand up for the senior coach gig is frivolous and just plain absurd. As Frase acknowledged -- he strikes me as a realist -- it's a coaching groupeffort... how very socialist ;D 2. There will be a reality check, which may be as early as Friday night against the Pussycats.
I’ll reserve judgement on Fraser, for now. But if Crippa EVER again attempts to kick around the corner on his left from a set shot then we’ll know Josh is simply not up to it 😝
It's not just Cripps - most of them are doing it from the right hand pocket - or, in the case of McKay, with his right foot in the left forward pocket
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: townsendcalling on May 24, 2026, 07:12:39 pm
Why do umpires stop play for players who have a broken finger nail, to assist them getting off the ground while Carroll had to limp across the whole ground while play continued. We were one player shorts for that time. Umpires and our officials to blame. We should have brought to to the umpires attention.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: crashlander on May 24, 2026, 07:45:36 pm
Why do umpires stop play for players who have a broken finger nail, to assist them getting off the ground while Carroll had to limp across the whole ground while play continued. We were one player shorts for that time. Umpires and our officials to blame. We should have brought to to the umpires attention.
Indeed. I'm not sure if it was our mistake or whether the umps ignored us, but it was a terrible thing for us. It could have cost us a lot more than it did.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: laj on May 24, 2026, 08:27:11 pm
Reality: 1. Early days for Frase - the early crowing by some commentators that Frase should put his hand up for the senior coach gig is frivolous and just plain absurd. As Frase acknowledged -- he strikes me as a realist -- it's a coaching groupeffort... how very socialist ;D 2. There will be a reality check, which may be as early as Friday night against the Pussycats.
I’ll reserve judgement on Fraser, for now. But if Crippa EVER again attempts to kick around the corner on his left from a set shot then we’ll know Josh is simply not up to it 😝
Yes, still a bit early to judge the coach. He feels he is not ready either. We are his training wheels, but, if we roll Geelong yet again then I'll look further somewhat in judgement of Fraser.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: laj on May 24, 2026, 08:28:19 pm
1. Playing Harry as second ruck/forward. Coincidentally his best two games this year have been the last two. 2. More on ball time for Smith. 3. Clear directive to hold the ball until better options emerge. Less hack kicks forward. 4. Selection of kids over veterans. No Saad, Acres, Young. Big roles given to kids like Dean. Clearly some have had their cards marked. 5. Selection of Ison who looks like a very accomplished player. 6. Selection of kids like Billy who kick hard, flat and through the corridor. 7. Timely return to form of senior players and Hewitt back in seniors. 8. Playing struggling sides who we really should be beating regardless of who is coaching.
Plenty of merit in all that.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: kruddler on May 24, 2026, 09:00:31 pm
1. Playing Harry as second ruck/forward. Coincidentally his best two games this year have been the last two. 2. More on ball time for Smith. 3. Clear directive to hold the ball until better options emerge. Less hack kicks forward. 4. Selection of kids over veterans. No Saad, Acres, Young. Big roles given to kids like Dean. Clearly some have had their cards marked. 5. Selection of Ison who looks like a very accomplished player. 6. Selection of kids like Billy who kick hard, flat and through the corridor. 7. Timely return to form of senior players and Hewitt back in seniors. 8. Playing struggling sides who we really should be beating regardless of who is coaching.
1. This has occured previously under Voss. Voss actually started it with making Harry 2nd ruck against the Lions. Harrys 2nd half against the Lions started this return to form. He was BOG against the Lions by fantasy points. 2. Smith has been given more on ball time recently, but also got plenty at the start of the year. I expect him to be in and out simply to manage his minutes and not break him. Can't expect essentially a 1st year player to play a full year on the ball. 3. Hard to quantify. Didn't see much difference between Lions and Dogs efforts 4. Young was dropped by Voss. Acres hasn't been picked all year. Saad has barely played all year. 5. Definitely got his first go under Fraser. Was borderline being picked in the few weeks leading up to it. 6. Vossy picked Wilson against the Lions. 7. Vossy brought Hewett back against the Lions. 8. Almost beat the lions. Played the same way since and have been beating poorer sides as a result.
I've got no issue with what Freser is doing, but he is getting a lot of credit for doing things which were actually done by Vossy first. Week 1 vs Dogs - 1 forced change In: Ison Out: Saad (inj) Week 2 vs Port - 2.5 forced changes In: Derkson, Young, Byrne Out: Weitering (inj), O. Hollands (inj) Williams (managed)
As with what Jagga said after the game, not a whole lot has changed under Fraser. The boys played well against the Lions and have continued playing that way.
I dont think there has been any drastic changes thats occured in the last couple weeks.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: DJC on May 24, 2026, 09:22:46 pm
1. Playing Harry as second ruck/forward. Coincidentally his best two games this year have been the last two. 2. More on ball time for Smith. 3. Clear directive to hold the ball until better options emerge. Less hack kicks forward. 4. Selection of kids over veterans. No Saad, Acres, Young. Big roles given to kids like Dean. Clearly some have had their cards marked. 5. Selection of Ison who looks like a very accomplished player. 6. Selection of kids like Billy who kick hard, flat and through the corridor. 7. Timely return to form of senior players and Hewitt back in seniors. 8. Playing struggling sides who we really should be beating regardless of who is coaching.
1. Harry has been playing as second ruck for several seasons. 2. The midfield rotations haven’t changed. 3. It’s more a case of the hack kicks coming off. 4. We’ve been playing the kids all season - one of the reasons why we’ve lost games we should have won. 5. Ison has been building to senior selection … and is now preferred over another youngster in Moir. 6. Billy has earned his spot but Newman’s return is the key to our transition from defence. 7. As above. Hewett’s role, since Vossy recalled him, seems to be more about supporting our primary midfielders rather than being the main man. 8. I would argue that we should have beaten most of the teams we’ve played this season. Port and the Doggies were both favoured to win and that may have worked in our favour.
I think that the real change since Vossy’s departure is self-belief, and that germinated in the second half of the Brisbane game.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: northernblue on May 24, 2026, 10:44:56 pm
1. Playing Harry as second ruck/forward. Coincidentally his best two games this year have been the last two. 2. More on ball time for Smith. 3. Clear directive to hold the ball until better options emerge. Less hack kicks forward. 4. Selection of kids over veterans. No Saad, Acres, Young. Big roles given to kids like Dean. Clearly some have had their cards marked. 5. Selection of Ison who looks like a very accomplished player. 6. Selection of kids like Billy who kick hard, flat and through the corridor. 7. Timely return to form of senior players and Hewitt back in seniors. 8. Playing struggling sides who we really should be beating regardless of who is coaching.
Point 3. Players are being given time to dispose of the ball now which helps us.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: LP on May 24, 2026, 10:49:47 pm
Point 3. Players are being given time to dispose of the ball now which helps us.
That seems to be more of an umpiring issue than anything else, which from what I can tell is an AFL reaction to recent commentary coming from the various blessed ones about the unsustainable nature of the current season.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: LygonStreetLimbo on May 25, 2026, 08:23:22 am
Harry Dean’s job on Georgiades!!! This kid is a gun. Love him.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Blue Moon on May 25, 2026, 09:02:04 am
All of a sudden our playing list looks fine, we have depth, players are hitting their targets with foot and hand, we are chasing, tackling and harrying, our decision making is positive and good, our defensive structures look strong, our forward line is functioning, our midfield has pace and can defend when we don't have the ball, we can transition the ball, and it is 2023 all over again. I am very confident against Geelong this week which is ridiculous.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: DJC on May 25, 2026, 09:50:23 am
Harry Dean’s job on Georgiades!!! This kid is a gun. Love him.
It was good to see that Harry has learned to control his temper and didn’t get sucked in by Georgiades’ attempts to unsettle him. On the other hand, Georgiades allowed his frustration to get the better of him and resorted to some pretty ordinary tactics. It was disappointing that the MRO ignored his very dangerous push on Dean in a marking contest.
Harry also seems to have moderated his kamikaze-like attacks on the contest. He’s still going very hard, but not crazy hard. He has learnt a lot in his nine games and played like a well-established defender on Saturday.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: DJC on May 25, 2026, 10:00:29 am
All of a sudden our playing list looks fine, we have depth, players are hitting their targets with foot and hand, we are chasing, tackling and harrying, our decision making is positive and good, our defensive structures look strong, our forward line is functioning, our midfield has pace and can defend when we don't have the ball, we can transition the ball, and it is 2023 all over again. I am very confident against Geelong this week which is ridiculous.
After watching the diabolical performance by our VFL side yesterday, our lack of depth is a concern. Ben Camporeale was the only player who really put his hand for senior selection.
We do trouble Geelong though, and another four quarter effort could get the job done.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Professer E on May 25, 2026, 10:53:56 am
If the MRO were serious - and we all know they're a running joke about things like consistency - but people have been suspended for that kind of push.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 25, 2026, 10:55:19 am
All of a sudden our playing list looks fine, we have depth, players are hitting their targets with foot and hand, we are chasing, tackling and harrying, our decision making is positive and good, our defensive structures look strong, our forward line is functioning, our midfield has pace and can defend when we don't have the ball, we can transition the ball, and it is 2023 all over again. I am very confident against Geelong this week which is ridiculous.
No pressure does that, free hits so to speak. Let see how they go when pressure comes against quality opposition and when games mean something.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: DJC on May 25, 2026, 11:21:10 am
All of a sudden our playing list looks fine, we have depth, players are hitting their targets with foot and hand, we are chasing, tackling and harrying, our decision making is positive and good, our defensive structures look strong, our forward line is functioning, our midfield has pace and can defend when we don't have the ball, we can transition the ball, and it is 2023 all over again. I am very confident against Geelong this week which is ridiculous.
It has nothing to do with the mood in the place lifting because the club strategy is now transparent and everyone knows that everything is going to change, as opposed to before where they were just a bit fearful of it.
You know, uncertainty has been replaced by certain uncertainty.
:P
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: rocky on May 25, 2026, 03:08:23 pm
If the MRO were serious - and we all know they're a running joke about things like consistency - but people have been suspended for that kind of push.
Ben Camporeale copped four weeks! Admittedly, two players were concussed by Ben’s push but Georgiades’ weak effort was potentially more dangerous.
Exactly. Just another example of the monkeys running the show getting it wrong again. After he committed the push. I'm pretty sure Georgiades made his way forward while Dean was recovering from the impact. AFL are a joke
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: BlackRooster on May 25, 2026, 07:19:04 pm
OK, so 4 or 5 weeks ago the media wanted Cripps, Harry and Weits traded. Our kids had no talent. We could not hit targets, long kicks done the wing and watch the ball come back with interest. So what has happened, same players. As my friend mention while we are watching the game, you guys having been taking the piss . I am so confused but love it. Go Blues
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: bratblue on May 25, 2026, 09:26:28 pm
OK, so 4 or 5 weeks ago the media wanted Cripps, Harry and Weits traded. Our kids had no talent. We could not hit targets, long kicks done the wing and watch the ball come back with interest. So what has happened, same players. As my friend mention while we are watching the game, you guys having been taking the piss . I am so confused but love it. Go Blues
Taking the piss. As good an explanation as any if not the best.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 27, 2026, 12:36:41 pm
Over the last 6 weeks, No 1 ball movement team in the competition. No 1 scoring team out of their D50, 3rd most uncontested marks, use the 45 degree kick 3rd most in the competition.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: kruddler on May 27, 2026, 02:25:58 pm
Over the last 6 weeks, No 1 ball movement team in the competition. No 1 scoring team out of their D50, 3rd most uncontested marks, use the 45 degree kick 3rd most in the competition.
I said similar in that i didnt think anything had changed between our Lions game and dogs game. Now Jagga backed that up in the post match interview And Stats back that up too.
Any people who wanted vossy sacked care to weigh in on these revelations?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on May 27, 2026, 02:37:55 pm
Over the last 6 weeks, No 1 ball movement team in the competition. No 1 scoring team out of their D50, 3rd most uncontested marks, use the 45 degree kick 3rd most in the competition.
I said similar in that i didnt think anything had changed between our Lions game and dogs game. Now Jagga backed that up in the post match interview And Stats back that up too.
Any people who wanted vossy sacked care to weigh in on these revelations?
Wright wanted him gone, senior players wouldn't play for him....ditto Scott at Essendon ....
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: LP on May 27, 2026, 02:51:19 pm
It was obvious the team was on the improve way before Voss resigned.
I'll say it again, we blinked, and I fear in the process our club will eventually undo all or a lot of the progress that was being made in changing our game style, simply due to impatience, fear and uncertainty.
I have no idea what games some people are watching, or what they see when they watch, but it was clear our game style was changing but failing in execution, we could not do it for long enough or well enough. Maybe Voss resigning was the pressure release, but the game style has not changed even a miniscule over the last couple of weeks! They just got better at it which has enabled the team to execute it for longer.
It's obvious the club panicked, and it's not the first time!
Even if we finish 2026 strongly I expect the next coach to wipe the board sending us back to square one, after another 3 or 4 years we'll panic again and give them the ar5e, because that is what we've been doing for 20 years.
In the meantime, the AFL media and Commentary will probably just keep laughing at us, and we deserve it!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: kruddler on May 27, 2026, 03:00:12 pm
I said similar in that i didnt think anything had changed between our Lions game and dogs game. Now Jagga backed that up in the post match interview And Stats back that up too.
Any people who wanted vossy sacked care to weigh in on these revelations?
Wright wanted him gone, senior players wouldn't play for him....ditto Scott at Essendon ....
Which senior players? The ones that left? The ones that were dropped? The ones he brought back into the 1's? The ones who almost won us the game against the lions?
They played pretty well for him while he was there at the end, just couldn't get over the line.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: MickyO on May 27, 2026, 03:17:30 pm
I think most of us wish it were different but generally the only thing you can change mid season is the coach.
I feel like theres been more direct entries into our f50 and we dont seem as gassed at times.
But that could be the sugar hit we speak of.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: PaulP on May 27, 2026, 03:26:56 pm
It's pretty despicable by the media to cause trouble by framing a negative narrative around Voss, then once he's gone they pivot and give him considerable credit. Shameful.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: LP on May 27, 2026, 03:28:21 pm
It's pretty despicable by the media to cause trouble by framing a negative narrative around Voss, then once he's gone they pivot and give him considerable credit. Shameful.
They earn maximum money from controversy and conflict, why would they oppose a war with any genuine evidence to the contrary?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: kruddler on May 27, 2026, 03:29:21 pm
It's pretty despicable by the media to cause trouble by framing a negative narrative around Voss, then once he's gone they pivot and give him considerable credit. Shameful.
I'm expecting the opposite with Hird. Media pumping up his tyres, largely, then when he gets in the media will turn and say how could essendon bring him back after the heartache he caused......and never admitted fault for mind you!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: LP on May 27, 2026, 03:35:28 pm
I'm expecting the opposite with Hird. Media pumping up his tyres, largely,
Not that I trust them, but the media pumping up Hird sort of makes sense if what Caro and Cornes report is true.
Caro and Cornes asserted Hird had been labelled by The Big House as never to coach again, and that would automatically put the media on the side of being Hird boosters because it brings controversy and conflict and that is profitable.
The AFL bang on about integrity, ............................., the media do not care about it!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on May 27, 2026, 04:25:32 pm
Wright wanted him gone, senior players wouldn't play for him....ditto Scott at Essendon ....
Which senior players? The ones that left? The ones that were dropped? The ones he brought back into the 1's? The ones who almost won us the game against the lions?
They played pretty well for him while he was there at the end, just couldn't get over the line.
The captain couldn't get a kick, couldn't run out a game, couldn't lay a tackle under Voss, wouldn't commit to the club but suddenly is in brownlow form under Fraser? Weitering has played crape all year, Hewett dropped. The dressing room was a mess under Voss last season and hasn't improve much IMHO and same with Scott at Essendon. I'm not interested in almost, maybes, led at half times etc etc..its been a debacle of a season and everyone knew how it was going to end except now the senior players want to try under Fraser and help the kids but will wins actually mess up our draft hand?If I'm Voss id be asking where was that effort and application to task when I needed it?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: LP on May 27, 2026, 04:33:59 pm
The captain couldn't get a kick, couldn't run out a game, couldn't lay a tackle under Voss, wouldn't commit to the club but suddenly is in brownlow form under Fraser? Weitering has played crape all year, Hewett dropped.
Walsh and Cripps, effectively our two most senior players, are 1st and 2nd in the Jim Park! :o
Now I realise that is consensus and the overall rating might not indicate how you have voted, but I'm sure Cripps didn't get to 2nd place off the back of not firing a shot! ;D
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Thryleon on May 27, 2026, 04:45:49 pm
Which senior players? The ones that left? The ones that were dropped? The ones he brought back into the 1's? The ones who almost won us the game against the lions?
They played pretty well for him while he was there at the end, just couldn't get over the line.
The captain couldn't get a kick, couldn't run out a game, couldn't lay a tackle under Voss, wouldn't commit to the club but suddenly is in brownlow form under Fraser? Weitering has played crape all year, Hewett dropped. The dressing room was a mess under Voss last season and hasn't improve much IMHO and same with Scott at Essendon. I'm not interested in almost, maybes, led at half times etc etc..its been a debacle of a season and everyone knew how it was going to end except now the senior players want to try under Fraser and help the kids but will wins actually mess up our draft hand?If I'm Voss is be asking where was that effort and application to task when I needed it?
If we on the outside can read the writing on the wall regarding the coach (and we all said he started the year with the sword of damocles over his head) how do you reckon it impacts the playing group, and their ability to be "up" every week?
Once the decision is made, and the coach has gone, do you think its reasonable that a weight would have been lifted off their shoulders? Do you think that its reasonable that the same weight would be lifted had the coach been giving a two year contract?
Distance yourself from whether or not Voss was the right coach, but read the situation. How does this impact everyone emotionally, and how does that impact their ability to be up for it?
Our mob fold under pressure. They just did it from different pressure this time.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 27, 2026, 05:06:49 pm
Which senior players? The ones that left? The ones that were dropped? The ones he brought back into the 1's? The ones who almost won us the game against the lions?
They played pretty well for him while he was there at the end, just couldn't get over the line.
The captain couldn't get a kick, couldn't run out a game, couldn't lay a tackle under Voss, wouldn't commit to the club but suddenly is in brownlow form under Fraser? Weitering has played crape all year, Hewett dropped. The dressing room was a mess under Voss last season and hasn't improve much IMHO and same with Scott at Essendon. I'm not interested in almost, maybes, led at half times etc etc..its been a debacle of a season and everyone knew how it was going to end except now the senior players want to try under Fraser and help the kids but will wins actually mess up our draft hand?If I'm Voss is be asking where was that effort and application to task when I needed it?
Speculation Your Honour.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: shawny on May 27, 2026, 05:18:59 pm
The captain couldn't get a kick, couldn't run out a game, couldn't lay a tackle under Voss, wouldn't commit to the club but suddenly is in brownlow form under Fraser? Weitering has played crape all year, Hewett dropped. The dressing room was a mess under Voss last season and hasn't improve much IMHO and same with Scott at Essendon. I'm not interested in almost, maybes, led at half times etc etc..its been a debacle of a season and everyone knew how it was going to end except now the senior players want to try under Fraser and help the kids but will wins actually mess up our draft hand?If I'm Voss is be asking where was that effort and application to task when I needed it?
Speculation Your Honour.
Had the same problems in Brisbane, players leaving, disputes with players, sacked from that job ...its all fact. Its has never been one big happy family at either club imho and the results back up that theory...and the theory that not all great players makes great coaches has been proven again.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: LP on May 27, 2026, 05:23:53 pm
Even im surprised with how quickly the old gameplan was changed and match day implemented with the same list.
Publish the link, I hope it wasn't the article that ranks career stats versus the last 2 games.
btw., Did you read the stats for the last 6 games, or are all stats bogus? :D
As @Thryleon had already linked for the various overnighters! https://x.com/i/status/2059208469161590794
I think that's the table they showed on Footy Classified (edit: It's a different one on FC around clearances. )
Rounds 1-9 v Rounds 10-11 Hitouts to advantage -13th to 6th First Possession- 11th to 2nd Clearances-10th to 7th Clearances Score 8th to 2nd Centre Clearance 14th to 4th Centre bounce scores 12th to 4th
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: PaulP on May 27, 2026, 05:35:11 pm
I think we need to be careful with time frames when comparing stats. The issue is whether the changes were well underway when Voss left. Hence Daniel Hoyne briefly looked at the first 5 or so weeks of the season, and the next few weeks, under Voss and Fraser. Hoyne's point being that the improvement in numbers, ball movement etc started under Voss.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Lods on May 27, 2026, 06:25:51 pm
At the end of the day, does it really matter. We've made the change. There was always likely to be a bit of a sugar hit. Sugar hits are not sustainable over the period that remains of the season, and by the end of the year we will have a much better idea of how we are travelling.
The side is more settled now. It was always going to take some time to gel with a number of players going out and new ones coming into the side. We had some early season injuries that interrupted the pre seasons of some. Weitering took a while to get back after the state game injury...some would argue he's still well off his best. It looks like we actually drafted well and Dean, Ison and Byrne look likely. Jagga is really a newbie as well. All these guys are growing in confidence and will benefit with more games.
It's all a work in progress.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: kruddler on May 27, 2026, 06:47:37 pm
Even im surprised with how quickly the old gameplan was changed and match day implemented with the same list.
Now do one that includes the last 3 games from Voss and compare that to Fraser. Will be just about identical.....as the previous posts pointed out, that you failed to acknowledge.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: laj on May 27, 2026, 06:57:41 pm
Even im surprised with how quickly the old gameplan was changed and match day implemented with the same list.
Publish the link, I hope it wasn't the article that ranks career stats versus the last 2 games, aka the MAGA of all stats!
btw., Did you read the stats for the last 6 games, or are all stats bogus? :D
As @Thryleon had already linked for the various overnight miracle believers https://x.com/i/status/2059208469161590794
We did it for 4 qtrs the last 2 weeks. Before then, for half a game we were probably last for those measures each week. Fact is we were 1-8, now we are 3-8. That's the one measure that matters and executing those statistical measures much better.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: kruddler on May 27, 2026, 06:59:07 pm
Publish the link, I hope it wasn't the article that ranks career stats versus the last 2 games, aka the MAGA of all stats!
btw., Did you read the stats for the last 6 games, or are all stats bogus? :D
As @Thryleon had already linked for the various overnight miracle believers https://x.com/i/status/2059208469161590794
We did it for 4 qtrs the last 2 weeks. Before then, for half a game we were probably last for those measures each week. Fact is we were 1-8, now we are 3-8. That's the one measure that matters and executing those statistical measures much better.
....and if we played Dogs and Port every game we'd be 11-0.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: laj on May 27, 2026, 07:06:20 pm
We did it for 4 qtrs the last 2 weeks. Before then, for half a game we were probably last for those measures each week. Fact is we were 1-8, now we are 3-8. That's the one measure that matters and executing those statistical measures much better.
....and if we played Dogs and Port every game we'd be 11-0.
We were 1-8, we weren't beating anyone. The one we did win was Richmond by 4pts. So, that proves you wrong yet again. Dogs and Port aren't exactly Essendon and Richmond. Port hammered Geelong 4 weeks ago and the Dogs beat Melbourne. They're not Freo and Sydney but they aren't poor either. They a always solid tests, especially in Adelaide.
Anyway, keep on spinning. I'm sure you'll be barracking hard for Geelong Friday just so you feel you are right.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: kruddler on May 27, 2026, 07:25:35 pm
Even im surprised with how quickly the old gameplan was changed and match day implemented with the same list.
Assuming this data is correct..... Can anyone explain the following..... Carlton 2026 Season Mark Profile: Round-by-Round
Round
Opponent
Total Marks
Contested
Uncontested
Marks inside 50
Uncontested %
Opening Round
Swans
69
8
61
5
88.4%
Round 1
Tigers
75
10
65
7
86.7%
Round 2
BYE
—
—
0
—
—
Round 3
Demons
92
11
81
12
88.0%
Round 4
Kangas
114
8
106
7
93.0%
Round 5
Crows
50
7
43
6
86.0%
Round 6
Magpies
101
11
90
13
89.1%
Round 7
Dockers
85
10
75
12
88.2%
Round 8
Saints
118
7
111
15
94.1%
Round 9
Lions
95
16
79
20
83.2%
Round 10
Dogs
124
8
116
5
93.5%
Round 11
Power
108
11
97
18
89.8%
TOTAL
1031
107
924
120
89.6%
Does that show any significant difference in the way we play?
Thats the only data i can find, the other stats are not available to the public.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Adelaideblue on May 27, 2026, 07:53:06 pm
Hard not to be impressed with the style of football we played against Western Bulldogs and Port Adelaide and be excited by the results. However, maybe a little early to be reaching conclusions around major improvements in game style and performance. We have 10 games against other teams, before we play the Western Bulldogs again, so these performance may tell the real story. All eyes on Geelong match Friday, fingers crossed.
Geelong, Essendon, Bye GWS, West Coast, Richmond, Hawthorn, Collingwood, Sunshine Coast, Brisbane, St Kilda.
Ps. Great to be at Adelaide Oval last Saturday night and watch us win there for a change. Pps. & well done EB with your 5 goal win prediction.................hmm this week?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Baggers on May 28, 2026, 08:49:57 am
Hard not to be impressed with the style of football we played against Western Bulldogs and Port Adelaide and be excited by the results. However, maybe a little early to be reaching conclusions around major improvements in game style and performance. We have 10 games against other teams, before we play the Western Bulldogs again, so these performance may tell the real story. All eyes on Geelong match Friday, fingers crossed.
Geelong, Essendon, Bye GWS, West Coast, Richmond, Hawthorn, Collingwood, Sunshine Coast, Brisbane, St Kilda.
Ps. Great to be at Adelaide Oval last Saturday night and watch us win there for a change. Pps. & well done EB with your 5 goal win prediction.................hmm this week?
Yep. The Pussycats will pressure our tweaks (evolution) and that's where we'll get a much better idea of where we are. When the Pussycats heat comes, and it will, we'll see whether we 'resort to type' or back ourselves in.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Thryleon on May 28, 2026, 10:10:09 am
Irrespective of the change in season, there are a couple of things to consider.
As the season wore on, with the roles changing, and different personnel getting more amongst it, we were always going to improve as the season wore on. Guys like Ainsworth, Hayward and Florent are living in Melbourne for the first time in ages (if at all). As their routine settles, so will their performances. Likewise, the absence of certain individuals means we were growing accustomed to not having someone like Charlie, JSOS and TDK around. Some of the other players were also well down on form, and as we know in sports form is fickle. It can turn quickly.
The dead cat bounce is also a thing. The coach going clears the air in a way that can only be cleared by backing the coach in (dont tell me Vossy was backed in, Im not having that, everyone could see it was win or else, so the players probably felt additional pressure to perform. They couldnt stand up, we generally wilt under pressure, thats the club culture. It stems from taking the easy way out and sacking coaches so the cycle becomes self fulfilling.
Finally, we are having a patch where we beat a very wounded bulldogs, who are playing under manned. Despite this they remain plucky and that win was better than advertised, but would it have come without the dead cat bounce? We cant know. Port dont want to win. Sure they kind of want it, but they dont, there is no gain in it for them, because when Butters goes at the end of the season, they will go backwards again so reading anything into that match is fraught with danger.
Ergo, any turnaround statistically in the midst of this season, is a furphy, and largely we were building towards it anyway. Tomorrow will tell us a lot more, but our next few matches pit us against West Coast and the Bombers. We were a real chance of going 4 and 1 before a ball was kicked in all those matches, with or without the coach change.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on May 28, 2026, 01:49:33 pm
Irrespective of the change in season, there are a couple of things to consider.
As the season wore on, with the roles changing, and different personnel getting more amongst it, we were always going to improve as the season wore on. Guys like Ainsworth, Hayward and Florent are living in Melbourne for the first time in ages (if at all). As their routine settles, so will their performances. Likewise, the absence of certain individuals means we were growing accustomed to not having someone like Charlie, JSOS and TDK around. Some of the other players were also well down on form, and as we know in sports form is fickle. It can turn quickly.
The dead cat bounce is also a thing. The coach going clears the air in a way that can only be cleared by backing the coach in (dont tell me Vossy was backed in, Im not having that, everyone could see it was win or else, so the players probably felt additional pressure to perform. They couldnt stand up, we generally wilt under pressure, thats the club culture. It stems from taking the easy way out and sacking coaches so the cycle becomes self fulfilling.
Finally, we are having a patch where we beat a very wounded bulldogs, who are playing under manned. Despite this they remain plucky and that win was better than advertised, but would it have come without the dead cat bounce? We cant know. Port dont want to win. Sure they kind of want it, but they dont, there is no gain in it for them, because when Butters goes at the end of the season, they will go backwards again so reading anything into that match is fraught with danger.
Ergo, any turnaround statistically in the midst of this season, is a furphy, and largely we were building towards it anyway. Tomorrow will tell us a lot more, but our next few matches pit us against West Coast and the Bombers. We were a real chance of going 4 and 1 before a ball was kicked in all those matches, with or without the coach change.
Agree....I think its all been part of a plan engineered last season by Wright, even down to Fraser being the caretaker and the timing of his initial appointment. Why wasnt the senior assistant in Hansen caretaker? Much like Soloman going from board member to Assistant, Brad Scott would have known the writing was on the wall with that appointment and I reckon Voss would have had the same thoughts with Fraser. The club winning a few on the trot under Voss would have made the timing and decision to move him on awkward and more questions being asked. Im not a Voss spruiker but he was played like a piano this past 12 months as the Management played their games and had their fallguy in place and he would have been smart enough to have figured what was going on but forced to play along and I'll give him credit for his demeanor because he never arced up or questioned his position publically even though he knew he was finished in the role.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Lods on May 28, 2026, 03:08:30 pm
Irrespective of the change in season, there are a couple of things to consider.
As the season wore on, with the roles changing, and different personnel getting more amongst it, we were always going to improve as the season wore on. Guys like Ainsworth, Hayward and Florent are living in Melbourne for the first time in ages (if at all). As their routine settles, so will their performances. Likewise, the absence of certain individuals means we were growing accustomed to not having someone like Charlie, JSOS and TDK around. Some of the other players were also well down on form, and as we know in sports form is fickle. It can turn quickly.
The dead cat bounce is also a thing. The coach going clears the air in a way that can only be cleared by backing the coach in (dont tell me Vossy was backed in, Im not having that, everyone could see it was win or else, so the players probably felt additional pressure to perform. They couldnt stand up, we generally wilt under pressure, thats the club culture. It stems from taking the easy way out and sacking coaches so the cycle becomes self fulfilling.
Finally, we are having a patch where we beat a very wounded bulldogs, who are playing under manned. Despite this they remain plucky and that win was better than advertised, but would it have come without the dead cat bounce? We cant know. Port dont want to win. Sure they kind of want it, but they dont, there is no gain in it for them, because when Butters goes at the end of the season, they will go backwards again so reading anything into that match is fraught with danger.
Ergo, any turnaround statistically in the midst of this season, is a furphy, and largely we were building towards it anyway. Tomorrow will tell us a lot more, but our next few matches pit us against West Coast and the Bombers. We were a real chance of going 4 and 1 before a ball was kicked in all those matches, with or without the coach change.
Agree....I think its all been part of a plan engineered last season by Wright, even down to Fraser being the caretaker and the timing of his initial appointment. Why wasnt the senior assistant in Hansen caretaker? Much like Soloman going from board member to Assistant, Brad Scott would have known the writing was on the wall with that appointment and I reckon Voss would have had the same thoughts with Fraser. The club winning a few on the trot under Voss would have made the timing and decision to move him on awkward and more questions being asked. Im not a Voss spruiker but he was played like a piano this past 12 months as the Management played their games and had their fallguy in place and he would have been smart enough to have figured what was going on but forced to play along and I'll give him credit for his demeanor because he never arced up or questioned his position publically even though he knew he was finished in the role.
That's the question.... What is Wright's plan? What's driving some of these decisions.
I reckon we dismiss some of them too easily. Isn't the 'easy option' to look at the decision and think "Same old same old. Nothing changes.".... without considering why those decisions were made. The problem is we're not always given access to all the reasoning behind a sacking or a failure to extend, so we fill the void.
I don't think there is an easy option when you're looking at not continuing with a coach. Clubs won't just look at the W/L They'll look at the reasons why that win/loss is poor. Is it a list problem? Is it the game style? They'll look at coach/player dynamics. How does the coach perform on match-day?
They'll look at the financial consequences in terms of sponsorship and membership. They'll consider the media and the consequences for the club brand They'll consider future options...Is the coach they want available?
But sometimes it's as simple as...there is a grander plan afoot that just needs some time to implement, that involves a total overhaul of a number of positions.
I don't believe that supporter pressure was as big a factor as some might believe in the Voss decision. He still had a strong level of backing amongst supporters.
Supporter opposition was not at the level that demanded a change. Many thought he was in a no/win situation...even set up to fail. Some were still fully supportive. Many still wanted to see how the season panned out.
But I personally think it was all pre-determined. He was never going to be extended. The language of him "continuing into 2026" was pretty much an indication that he wasn't going to be renewed beyond the end of this season. There is a plan afoot, and I'm sure there will be aspects of it we won't all like and will criticize, especially if it affects our favourites. But it will happen. Most of the off-field carnage is done. No doubt the list will be next area of focus.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Thryleon on May 28, 2026, 03:19:18 pm
That's the question.... What is Wright's plan? What's driving some of these decisions.
I reckon we dismiss some of them too easily. Isn't the 'easy option' to look at the decision and think "Same old same old. Nothing changes.".... without considering why those decisions were made. The problem is we're not always given access to all the reasoning behind a sacking or a failure to extend, so we fill the void.
I don't think there is an easy option when you're looking at not continuing with a coach. Clubs won't just look at the W/L They'll look at the reasons why that win/loss is poor. Is it a list problem? Is it the game style? They'll look at coach/player dynamics. How does the coach perform on match-day?
They'll look at the financial consequences in terms of sponsorship and membership. They'll consider the media and the consequences for the club brand They'll consider future options...Is the coach they want available?
But sometimes it's as simple as...there is a grander plan afoot that just needs some time to implement, that involves a total overhaul of a number of positions.
I don't believe that supporter pressure was as big a factor as some might believe in the Voss decision. He still had a strong level of backing amongst supporters.
Supporter opposition was not at the level that demanded a change. Many thought he was in a no/win situation...even set up to fail. Some were still fully supportive. Many still wanted to see how the season panned out.
But I personally think it was all pre-determined. He was never going to be extended. The language of him "continuing into 2026" was pretty much an indication that he wasn't going to be renewed beyond the end of this season. There is a plan afoot, and I'm sure there will be aspects of it we won't all like and will criticize, especially if it affects our favourites. But it will happen. Most of the off-field carnage is done. No doubt the list will be next area of focus.
im still angry about it.
We have fallen because someone has better ideas as far as I can tell.
If their plan fails its more time wasted and yet another reason why we will wonder what if.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on May 28, 2026, 03:38:19 pm
Agree....I think its all been part of a plan engineered last season by Wright, even down to Fraser being the caretaker and the timing of his initial appointment. Why wasnt the senior assistant in Hansen caretaker? Much like Soloman going from board member to Assistant, Brad Scott would have known the writing was on the wall with that appointment and I reckon Voss would have had the same thoughts with Fraser. The club winning a few on the trot under Voss would have made the timing and decision to move him on awkward and more questions being asked. Im not a Voss spruiker but he was played like a piano this past 12 months as the Management played their games and had their fallguy in place and he would have been smart enough to have figured what was going on but forced to play along and I'll give him credit for his demeanor because he never arced up or questioned his position publically even though he knew he was finished in the role.
That's the question.... What is Wright's plan? What's driving some of these decisions.
I reckon we dismiss some of them too easily. Isn't the 'easy option' to look at the decision and think "Same old same old. Nothing changes.".... without considering why those decisions were made. The problem is we're not always given access to all the reasoning behind a sacking or a failure to extend, so we fill the void.
I don't think there is an easy option when you're looking at not continuing with a coach. Clubs won't just look at the W/L They'll look at the reasons why that win/loss is poor. Is it a list problem? Is it the game style? They'll look at coach/player dynamics. How does the coach perform on match-day?
They'll look at the financial consequences in terms of sponsorship and membership. They'll consider the media and the consequences for the club brand They'll consider future options...Is the coach they want available?
But sometimes it's as simple as...there is a grander plan afoot that just needs some time to implement, that involves a total overhaul of a number of positions.
I don't believe that supporter pressure was as big a factor as some might believe in the Voss decision. He still had a strong level of backing amongst supporters.
Supporter opposition was not at the level that demanded a change. Many thought he was in a no/win situation...even set up to fail. Some were still fully supportive. Many still wanted to see how the season panned out.
But I personally think it was all pre-determined. He was never going to be extended. The language of him "continuing into 2026" was pretty much an indication that he wasn't going to be renewed beyond the end of this season. There is a plan afoot, and I'm sure there will be aspects of it we won't all like and will criticize, especially if it affects our favourites. But it will happen. Most of the off-field carnage is done. No doubt the list will be next area of focus.
Im not so sure about clubs ever taking a holistic approach to judging coaches performances, if you dont know much about football then win/losses makes it easy to use that stat as the only catalyst to sack a coach. The club is essentially the paying members, board and the management and imho the board would know SFA about football on average and would just be a rubber stamp for the President, CEO and Football Manager who reside at the pointy end of the structure. In our case that leaves the CEO and Football manager as Priestley is another quasi board member who would know very little about what makes a good coach other than what he reads or is told by the CEO and Football Manager imho. So IMO its Wright and Davies making the choices, pulling the levers and manipulating the agenda with the board and President there for the refreshments and ceremonial work only. Wright was brought in as the executioner style operator by Brian Cook and I think expectations had to be there would be blood on the coaches box floor and in the dressing room as the list gets pruned and Id also see the Assistants culled again bar Fraser. My thinking is that Wright will want a untried assistant coach he can control and run his agenda rather than a mature type eg Longmire, Simpson that will have his own ideas and plans.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Lods on May 28, 2026, 03:44:50 pm
That's the question.... What is Wright's plan? What's driving some of these decisions.
I reckon we dismiss some of them too easily. Isn't the 'easy option' to look at the decision and think "Same old same old. Nothing changes.".... without considering why those decisions were made. The problem is we're not always given access to all the reasoning behind a sacking or a failure to extend, so we fill the void.
I don't think there is an easy option when you're looking at not continuing with a coach. Clubs won't just look at the W/L They'll look at the reasons why that win/loss is poor. Is it a list problem? Is it the game style? They'll look at coach/player dynamics. How does the coach perform on match-day?
They'll look at the financial consequences in terms of sponsorship and membership. They'll consider the media and the consequences for the club brand They'll consider future options...Is the coach they want available?
But sometimes it's as simple as...there is a grander plan afoot that just needs some time to implement, that involves a total overhaul of a number of positions.
I don't believe that supporter pressure was as big a factor as some might believe in the Voss decision. He still had a strong level of backing amongst supporters.
Supporter opposition was not at the level that demanded a change. Many thought he was in a no/win situation...even set up to fail. Some were still fully supportive. Many still wanted to see how the season panned out.
But I personally think it was all pre-determined. He was never going to be extended. The language of him "continuing into 2026" was pretty much an indication that he wasn't going to be renewed beyond the end of this season. There is a plan afoot, and I'm sure there will be aspects of it we won't all like and will criticize, especially if it affects our favourites. But it will happen. Most of the off-field carnage is done. No doubt the list will be next area of focus.
im still angry about it.
We have fallen because someone has better ideas as far as I can tell.
If their plan fails its more time wasted and yet another reason why we will wonder what if.
Understand. There are two ways to look at it... It's more of the same or There's a plan being put in place that's going to involve a bit of pain, but will set us up for future success.. We've embarked on a course. We have no power to change it. So we just have to watch it play out and hope for it to be a path to success.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: kruddler on May 28, 2026, 04:18:56 pm
Understand. There are two ways to look at it... It's more of the same or There's a plan being put in place that's going to involve a bit of pain, but will set us up for future success.. We've embarked on a course. We have no power to change it. So we just have to watch it play out and hope for it to be a path to success.
If we don't jump up and down about it now. What is stopping the club from doing it again next time.....and again....and again.
There is a difference between 'moving on' and 'holding the club accountable'.
Whether its the right decision or the wrong decision, time will tell. Even if it was the wrong decision, it may end up working. Even if it was the right decision, it mey not end up working.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Thryleon on May 28, 2026, 05:20:05 pm
Yep.
If you crash your car and buy a new one, it wont tell you what you could have achieved with the old one with some better tuning.
You might still achieve great things with the new one, but it might take you longer to fine tune it, the only difference is whether or not you tune the car you were given, or go out and buy your own.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: LP on May 28, 2026, 05:24:11 pm
If we don't jump up and down about it now. What is stopping the club from doing it again next time.....and again....and again.
There is a difference between 'moving on' and 'holding the club accountable'.
Whether its the right decision or the wrong decision, time will tell. Even if it was the wrong decision, it may end up working. Even if it was the right decision, it mey not end up working.
I don't get why some fans have blind faith and think change is good, when change has been the one thing we've been doing consistently for the last 20 years. We are like a staggering drunk who keeps falling down the stairs and thinking, I'll be right next time!
The one thing we haven't done since the days of Parkin, is stick fat, and Wayne Brittain warned us about it!
But look at our history, we sack coaches after they win flags!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Lods on May 28, 2026, 05:50:09 pm
So guys... Tell me how we make a noise. Tell me the strategy. Because half the supporter group is of an opposite opinion. Around half of the group thought it was time for changes on one or all of those that have departed. For every one jumping up and down, you would be getting someone telling you to move on. And we're already starting to see many who weren't keen on the changes, accepting that it has happened.
What pressure do you put on a board or admin. Our constitution virtually ensures the board is unaccountable. A ticket to challenge is nowhere in sight. The powers are like an umpire...they won't change their decisions. So Voss, Lloyd, Austin, Agresta are no longer part of the Carlton story going forward.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 28, 2026, 05:54:30 pm
So guys... Tell me how we make a noise. Tell me the strategy. Because half the supporter group is of an opposite opinion. Around half of the group thought it was time for changes on one or all of those that have departed. For every one jumping up and down, you would be getting someone telling you to move on. And we're already starting to see many who weren't keen on the changes, accepting that it has happened.
What pressure do you put on a board or admin. Our constitution virtually ensures the board is unaccountable. A ticket to challenge is nowhere in sight. The powers are like an umpire...they won't change their decisions. So Voss, Lloyd, Austin, Agresta are no longer part of the Carlton story going forward.
There is a panel of Priestly, Wright, Davies, Simpson and Williams. Forget Simmo, he's getting paid to FIFO, the others have both nuts on the block with a very sharp axe sitting above them. Fark this up and they are Gonski and its the other board members that will take turns with the axe.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Lods on May 28, 2026, 06:05:27 pm
So guys... Tell me how we make a noise. Tell me the strategy. Because half the supporter group is of an opposite opinion. Around half of the group thought it was time for changes on one or all of those that have departed. For every one jumping up and down, you would be getting someone telling you to move on. And we're already starting to see many who weren't keen on the changes, accepting that it has happened.
What pressure do you put on a board or admin. Our constitution virtually ensures the board is unaccountable. A ticket to challenge is nowhere in sight. The powers are like an umpire...they won't change their decisions. So Voss, Lloyd, Austin, Agresta are no longer part of the Carlton story going forward.
There is a panel of Priestly, Wright, Davies, Simpson and Williams. Forget Simmo, he's getting paid to FIFO, the others have both nuts on the block with a very sharp axe sitting above them. Fark this up and they are Gonski and its the other board members that will take turns with the axe.
Did Voss's demise reflect greatly on those who chose him. We'll forget who was even on the panel in the three to four years a new coach will get. Wright will be the only one in the gun (if he is still there)...because it's pretty apparent that he's the one making the calls. He's our new villain for some.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: kruddler on May 28, 2026, 06:09:59 pm
So guys... Tell me how we make a noise. Tell me the strategy. Because half the supporter group is of an opposite opinion. Around half of the group thought it was time for changes on one or all of those that have departed. For every one jumping up and down, you would be getting someone telling you to move on. And we're already starting to see many who weren't keen on the changes, accepting that it has happened.
What pressure do you put on a board or admin. Our constitution virtually ensures the board is unaccountable. A ticket to challenge is nowhere in sight. The powers are like an umpire...they won't change their decisions. So Voss, Lloyd, Austin, Agresta are no longer part of the Carlton story going forward.
#1 strategy is to point out the issues with the club to people like yourself that continue following based on blind faith.
If enough people realise the problems with the club, the more likely it is to bring about enough noise to make a difference.
I'm not in a position to try and oust the board personaly, nor do i think anyone else in here is. But its like when people go to the polls in an election.....every vote counts. Well every voice counts, eventually it may lead to a change.
#2 strategy would be providing appropriate feedback from club surveys and the like. Get enough people being negative and they have to take notice.
Use the media, , social media, talkback radio etc.
How did Sydney supporters get Roos hired despite the fact Wallace had signed a contract? It is possible.
But....if people just suck it up, lube up and bend over.....nothing is going to change.
You bring up the point that an umpire won't change their decision. This is true. However, if the umpire hears the roar of the crowd and the boos when people see a replay, he realises that he probably made the wrong decision, and next time a similar thing occurs, he may do it differently. Without the 'noise' of the crowd....nothing changes.
So....make some noise!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: kruddler on May 28, 2026, 06:16:48 pm
There is a panel of Priestly, Wright, Davies, Simpson and Williams. Forget Simmo, he's getting paid to FIFO, the others have both nuts on the block with a very sharp axe sitting above them. Fark this up and they are Gonski and its the other board members that will take turns with the axe.
Did Voss's demise reflect greatly on those who chose him. We'll forget who was even on the panel in the three to four years a new coach will get. Wright will be the only one in the gun (if he is still there)...because it's pretty apparent that he's the one making the calls. He's our new villain for some.
I already pointed out that Priestly wiped his hands of any blame of the appointment of Voss.....despite being part of the board, as was Diesel.....and they are not alone. So while YOU might forget who made the calls, plenty of others will remember. Possibly the same people making noise now.
I find it funny that you plead ignorance to the those who made the previous call, but blind faith in those that are making this one....its the same people.....at least in part.
But like many sheep in the past.....THIS time it will be different. ::)
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Lods on May 28, 2026, 06:41:41 pm
#1 strategy is to point out the issues with the club to people like yourself that continue following based on blind faith. You've pointed them out more than once. But you have a very limited audience. I just don't feel the same as you do. The club will not give you a lot of attention, because they will be getting feedback that opposes your views. I've pointed out before that you can't tell people how to support. People will make up their own mind.
If enough people realise the problems with the club, the more likely it is to bring about enough noise to make a difference.
That suggests you don't have room for an alternative view. That's 'lecturing' your own perceptions. ...and smacks of your views being superior. Folks won't embrace that, in fact it's likely to turn them off.
I'm not in a position to try and oust the board personaly, nor do i think anyone else in here is. But its like when people go to the polls in an election.....every vote counts. Well every voice counts, eventually it may lead to a change. But we're speaking with a 100,00 different voices. Not everyone thinks the same as you do
#2 strategy would be providing appropriate feedback from club surveys and the like. Get enough people being negative and they have to take notice.
Use the media, , social media, talkback radio etc.
People do exactly that, and if that really does have an effect it may be one of the reasons that changes have occurred. Because some of the talkback this year has been savage. Don't we want the club to ignore the outside noise. Or does that only apply to our views.
How did Sydney supporters get Roos hired despite the fact Wallace had signed a contract? It is possible.
Not sure what you're asking for here. Do you want the club to give the new coach (and others) as much time as it takes to win a flag. Roos was a change that was result driven. It was a change that had an immediate time frame attached. Changes in the way the club operates isn't as straight forward, and doesn't have the same fixed time frame.
But....if people just suck it up, lube up and bend over.....nothing is going to change.
This is the part you can't seem to grasp. Not everyone feels the same. Many are quite happy and looking forward to see how things develop.
You bring up the point that an umpire won't change their decision. This is true. However, if the umpire hears the roar of the crowd and the boos when people see a replay, he realises that he probably made the wrong decision, and next time a similar thing occurs, he may do it differently. Without the 'noise' of the crowd....nothing changes.
So....make some noise!
I don't want to. I'm interested in what the future looks like with new coaches and new recruiters And as time goes by the feelings of anger will change to ones of acceptance and we'll all move on.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: kruddler on May 28, 2026, 06:49:56 pm
Lods, i'm not on my own in my views. This is not about me vs the world. You keep pointing out the 50% split. But when i post my thoughts, it counts for 0.001% Where is the other 49.999% that dont agree with you? Where did they just vanish too??
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Lods on May 28, 2026, 07:00:28 pm
Did Voss's demise reflect greatly on those who chose him. We'll forget who was even on the panel in the three to four years a new coach will get. Wright will be the only one in the gun (if he is still there)...because it's pretty apparent that he's the one making the calls. He's our new villain for some.
I already pointed out that Priestly wiped his hands of any blame of the appointment of Voss.....despite being part of the board, as was Diesel.....and they are not alone. So while YOU might forget who made the calls, plenty of others will remember. Possibly the same people making noise now.
I find it funny that you plead ignorance to the those who made the previous call, but blind faith in those that are making this one....its the same people.....at least in part.
But like many sheep in the past.....THIS time it will be different. ::)
I have no problems with the folks who picked Voss. It was a judgement made with the best info at the time. I'll have no problem with those who choose the next coach (But I have a feeling it may already be down to very short list)
Title: Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Lods on May 28, 2026, 07:11:34 pm
Lods, i'm not on my own in my views. This is not about me vs the world. You keep pointing out the 50% split. But when i post my thoughts, it counts for 0.001% Where is the other 49.999% that dont agree with you? Where did they just vanish too??
I'm not sure what you mean. I'm guessing just from an observation of Carlton forums and face book pages that there was probably a fairly even split regarding replacing Voss and extending him. It's one of the reasons that I don't put a lot of store in the fact that supporters had as big an influence in the decision as some may feel.
I've said you probably have as much support for your views as those opposing them. But the tack you're taking suggests that everyone (with a bit of reducation) would be swayed to the revolution. The reality is with passing time, people will put it behind them surprisingly, quickly and move on to the new era.