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We recovered and won ugly. I don’t think we would be tanking, forming winning habits is more important atm.

How good was Harry Dean again. He fixed up Caddy from the first minute and it was especially good, given the amount of ball that was coming in and the easy in which it was coming.

And speaking of the broadcasters...Fckn couldn't have barracked any harder for the opposition.

The result was always on the cards.
A big effort last week to get over the line.
The players would have been drained though obviously elated by that result last week.
They were as flat as pancakes for the first half tonight.
But we were able to squeeze out the win.

It seems the clock issue was only an issue with the broadcaster...nothing was lost with the official time keepers.
And speaking of the broadcasters...Fckn couldn't have barracked any harder for the opposition.

I'd give Walsh a break and give Ben C a go.  Wouldn't hurt.

And speaking of the broadcasters...Fckn couldn't have barracked any harder for the opposition.

That Ruck Ruke is the worst rule imaginable. That together with the Stand Rule.

I watched Sydney and St.Kilda. Grundy didn't even just for some centre bounces as he looked like going over the line. t's was farcical. Happened a number of times. Must be a KPI at AFL House, to check your
 brain cells in at the door before entering the building.

Quote from: Lods – on June 07, 2026, 10:23:35 pm

And speaking of the broadcasters...Fckn couldn't have barracked any harder for the opposition.

All night, Ess just have to…. Caddy needs to…..   Cripps was given a long time to dispose of that…..   caddy may have been interfered with there…

Kenny must be really sore that his mate vossy got shafted.  And jack, well,  he just hates Carlton, and is a dopey prick

Quote from: laj – on June 07, 2026, 11:00:09 pm

That Ruck Ruke is the worst rule imaginable. That together with the Stand Rule.

I watched Sydney and St.Kilda. Grundy didn't even just for some centre bounces as he looked like going over the line. t's was farcical. Happened a number of times. Must be a KPI at AFL House, to check your
 brain cells in at the door before entering the building.

At one stage in the 2nd they had like 7 centre clearances to none.  But I think 4 of 5em were frees (3 ruck frees)

How good was Harry Dean again. He fixed up Caddy from the first minute and it was especially good, given the amount of ball that was coming in and the easy in which it was coming.

Win's a win but that was hard to watch given how we have played the previous 3 weeks.

I regularly complain about the umpiring, but I can't help it: they are not paying frees that are there and guessing about some that are not. Very ordinary. I do hope we take a package of their stupidity to the powers that be and ask for an explanation.

It seemed to me that Essendon put a fair bit of work into planning how to combat our strengths.
If Fraser doesn't want the job, maybe we can offer it to Solomon. ;)  :D

Win's a win but that was hard to watch given how we have played the previous 3 weeks.

I hope that F-tard Andrew from Niddrie didn't ring up....why they give that bloke air time beggars belief.  Denial isn't a river in Egypt champ.

Quote from: crashlander – on June 08, 2026, 12:07:35 am

I regularly complain about the umpiring, but I can't help it: they are not paying frees that are there and guessing about some that are not. Very ordinary. I do hope we take a package of their stupidity to the powers that be and ask for an explanation.

SEN this morning an Essendon supporters was almost in tears complaining that the umpiring cost them the game!! Gee it does depend on the colours you are wearing!

Please bombers were screwed over. We would be filthy the other way around which is often usually the case.

I need to go back and watch the replay back but they received an  extraordinary number of free kicks at the centre bounce, whether it be a ruck infringement or holding free against us.

Please bombers were screwed over. We would be filthy the other way around which is often usually the case.

I thought the umps were fine.

Only call i questioned was why Pittonet was not paid the mark on the goal line.

I like Heyward's mongrel but not the stupidity that yet again led to a dopey free kick for a late bump.

I was impressed by Derksen's offensive contributions; he offers much more in that area than Lewis Young's indecisiveness but, unfortunately he is 5 or 6 cm shorter and is something of a liability overhead.

Good to see Acres and Hewitt back in form and favour.

I thought the Hewett free and then goal was charitable where he ducked his head, that's been play on in previous games.
The ruck rules and frees are confusing for me, appears even if you are behind the line but don't jump they call it a block sometimes and Pittonet got some tough calls..

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on June 08, 2026, 06:34:01 pm

I thought the Hewett free and then goal was charitable where he ducked his head, that's been play on in previous games.
The ruck rules and frees are confusing for me, appears even if you are behind the line but don't jump they call it a block sometimes and Pittonet got some tough calls..

IIRC George has won one of those free kick (high contact in front of goal) in every game he has played this year.

Quote from: Gointocarlton – on June 08, 2026, 07:44:18 pm

IIRC George has won one of those free kick (high contact in front of goal) in every game he has played this year.

Good technique then😀

Hmm - what a tedious game to sit through!  The phone thing they did pre-game was pretty cool - may not have translated to to TV that well.

Being at the game with no commentary or many replays confirms that it is hard to know what is an isn't a free kick - particularly centre square and stand rule.

We went back to long bomb to forward line, or having an unrealistic shot - it was so frustrating.  Essendon seemed to take more contested marks, however, we were slightly calmer and less error prone under little pressure.

This was one of the worst games I have seen for a long time and may it stay that way.  We got 4 points.

And that brings me to Dean and Derksen.  I was concerned about going in with two inexperienced key defenders but they were fine.  Having Haynes, Newey and Florent to organise the defence is a big help.

Ever since I started watching AFL I thought the game, which at times is a great spectacle, was over umpired. I know that there are long established traditions but I think that a deep review to significantly lessen umpire involvement and intervention could be very beneficial for the game. I’ll probably get crucified now by the traditionalists! 🤪

I know Florent has become a whipping boy for some fans, but he keeps doing the right things at the right moment.

More than once Florent was the one intercepting the CheatsFC attempts to go through the corridor, he left his direct opponent and took the risk for the team and it paid off. Furthermore, in the first half when much of the team appeared to be on holiday he seemed to be making an effort, effective or not, and it kept us in the game.

I can't say the umpiring made much difference either way, but it was contributing the low quality game. Sometimes having all those umpires just seems to make things murkier!

I like Heyward's mongrel but not the stupidity that yet again led to a dopey free kick for a late bump.

i know we won ugly but is everyone else concerned that ess had 6 senior players out and lots of youngsters playing and also John Brown (brissie lions Champion ) would rather coach Essendon than Carlton

Quote from: RiverRat – on June 08, 2026, 06:31:27 pm

I like Heyward's mongrel but not the stupidity that yet again led to a dopey free kick for a late bump.

after shocking start to the season, hayward was really starting to find his form,  kicking goals, and working as that last kick into 50.   but the previous couple of weeks (prob since caroll went down),  he seems to be playing more wing, and getting a lot of ball at half back.   he may be good at this role,  but he is exceptional in the forward half.   they need to get him back to where he is most dangerous - kicking goals or creating them

Quote from: Milhanna13 – on June 09, 2026, 03:28:17 pm

after shocking start to the season, hayward was really starting to find his form,  kicking goals, and working as that last kick into 50.   but the previous couple of weeks (prob since caroll went down),  he seems to be playing more wing, and getting a lot of ball at half back.   he may be good at this role,  but he is exceptional in the forward half.   they need to get him back to where he is most dangerous - kicking goals or creating them

I like his aggression but, instead of the late (unnecessary) bump that seems to surface from time to time, he needs to sell those actions as an attempt to smother or adversely effect the kick.

Quote from: RiverRat – on June 09, 2026, 04:21:00 pm

I like his aggression but, instead of the late (unnecessary) bump that seems to surface from time to time, he needs to sell those actions as an attempt to smother or adversely effect the kick.

You almost wanna keep them in just to keep the opposition honest.

Its a bit like Robbo back in the day. You never know when he's going to bury someone. Sometimes it will give away a free, other times the perceived pressure results in a turnover.

Keep them guessing. Can't always be 'nice'.

Interesting that Jagga Smith still felt the need to credit Vossy for win in his post match interview.

I wonder if the club will put a stop to that.

Interesting that Jagga Smith still felt the need to credit Vossy for win in his post match interview.

I wonder if the club will put a stop to that.

Interesting that Jagga Smith still felt the need to credit Vossy for win in his post match interview.

I wonder if the club will put a stop to that.

Its almost like the coaching/playing group are standing as one in voicing their opinion that perhaps he was hard done by.
Maybe the powers that be at the club should start to take note of this.
Puts the incoming coach in a poor position from day 1. Similar to Malthouse after Ratten.

The best way to do that may be for the club to give Vossy the credit that's due and move on.  Of course, that could draw more attention to the club's amateurish handling of Vossy's resignation.

I haven't attended since Voss left and I also missed the Richmond game so perhaps I'm the problem.

Don't think any supporters pro Voss or anti Voss buy the idea that he genuinely resigned.
It was a negotiated exit and another Carlton sacking designed for less mess than usual to generate better optics for the outside world.
The players let Voss down, there is no magic in Frasers board of magnets or messaging Imho. The same players Voss defended all season were the same ones who didn't produce for him when it mattered and when it's your top players it's only going to end one way.
Why are they playing better now? maybe extend their careers, save their careers, push their asking price up for other clubs or fear the newbie enthusiastic kids will expose their lack of effort?
Wright, Priestley and Davies wouldnt be my idea of a supportive senior management. I was and am no fan of Voss the coach but he should have been let go last season in a clean manner and not made to be part of and suffer the treacherous masquerade and waste of time that went on this season.

I haven't attended since Voss left and I also missed the Richmond game so perhaps I'm the problem.

Don't think any supporters pro Voss or anti Voss buy the idea that he genuinely resigned.
It was a negotiated exit and another Carlton sacking designed for less mess than usual to generate better optics for the outside world.
The players let Voss down, there is no magic in Frasers board of magnets or messaging Imho. The same players Voss defended all season were the same ones who didn't produce for him when it mattered and when it's your top players it's only going to end one way.
Why are they playing better now? maybe extend their careers, save their careers, push their asking price up for other clubs or fear the newbie enthusiastic kids will expose their lack of effort?
Wright, Priestley and Davies wouldnt be my idea of a supportive senior management. I was and am no fan of Voss the coach but he should have been let go last season in a clean manner and not made to be part of and suffer the treacherous masquerade and waste of time that went on this season.

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on June 10, 2026, 03:23:43 pm

Don't think any supporters pro Voss or anti Voss buy the idea that he genuinely resigned.
It was a negotiated exit and another Carlton sacking designed for less mess than usual to generate better optics for the outside world.
The players let Voss down, there is no magic in Frasers board of magnets or messaging Imho. The same players Voss defended all season were the same ones who didn't produce for him when it mattered and when it's your top players it's only going to end one way.
Why are they playing better now? maybe extend their careers, save their careers, push their asking price up for other clubs or fear the newbie enthusiastic kids will expose their lack of effort?
Wright, Priestley and Davies wouldnt be my idea of a supportive senior management. I was and am no fan of Voss the coach but he should have been let go last season in a clean manner and not made to be part of and suffer the treacherous masquerade and waste of time that went on this season.

EB, players play to a system at the highest level sure they have to execute it but the actual gameplan is on the coaches. There has been significant game day changes since Fraser took over (in particular the first 3 weeks).  How we transition from D50 is completely different, changes in personnel with more youth and more speed, Inside 50 manic pressure on the opposition is there every week with the kids we have in there. The use of Haywood is different. The use of Harry is different.  Using Hewitt in the role he is best has also worked. He was the one asked to quiet Durham in the second half. He was in the 2nds under Voss. The lowering of the eyes and trying to target a leading forward is much improved under Fraser - even though this week was looked back to the old Voss days. My theory is the Dons had many behind the ball which made it a lot harder to navigate around their spares. Hopefully this returns back to the first 3 weeks next week as the Giants will likely just try and take us on like Geel, Dogs and Port did.  

We got smashed this week in contested footy and thats against the last placed team, yet we still got the 4 points - Contested footy was our strongest trait in the Voss era and Essendon smoked us - that in itself confirms how much things have changed.

Voss was a contested beast and coached the same way but for whatever reason it didn't work and the current system change is welcomed as i feel we are now finally getting the best out of the list. The have a higher rating on the list then you as i rate it middle of the road so the 1-8 start on a weak draw without major injuries meant something was off and the last 4 weeks proved it in my eyes anyway. 

I expect us to win 50% of our remaining matches and this was not going to happen under the previous system

 

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on June 10, 2026, 03:23:43 pm

Don't think any supporters pro Voss or anti Voss buy the idea that he genuinely resigned.
It was a negotiated exit and another Carlton sacking designed for less mess than usual to generate better optics for the outside world.
The players let Voss down, there is no magic in Frasers board of magnets or messaging Imho. The same players Voss defended all season were the same ones who didn't produce for him when it mattered and when it's your top players it's only going to end one way.
Why are they playing better now? maybe extend their careers, save their careers, push their asking price up for other clubs or fear the newbie enthusiastic kids will expose their lack of effort?
Wright, Priestley and Davies wouldnt be my idea of a supportive senior management. I was and am no fan of Voss the coach but he should have been let go last season in a clean manner and not made to be part of and suffer the treacherous masquerade and waste of time that went on this season.

EB, players play to a system at the highest level sure they have to execute it but the actual gameplan is on the coaches. There has been significant game day changes since Fraser took over (in particular the first 3 weeks). 

I haven't attended since Voss left and I also missed the Richmond game so perhaps I'm the problem.

Quote from: shawny – on June 10, 2026, 06:07:19 pm

EB, players play to a system at the highest level sure they have to execute it but the actual gameplan is on the coaches. There has been significant game day changes since Fraser took over (in particular the first 3 weeks).  How we transition from D50 is completely different, changes in personnel with more youth and more speed, Inside 50 manic pressure on the opposition is there every week with the kids we have in there. The use of Haywood is different. The use of Harry is different.  Using Hewitt in the role he is best has also worked. He was the one asked to quiet Durham in the second half. He was in the 2nds under Voss. The lowering of the eyes and trying to target a leading forward is much improved under Fraser - even though this week was looked back to the old Voss days. My theory is the Dons had many behind the ball which made it a lot harder to navigate around their spares. Hopefully this returns back to the first 3 weeks next week as the Giants will likely just try and take us on like Geel, Dogs and Port did.  

We got smashed this week in contested footy and thats against the last placed team, yet we still got the 4 points - Contested footy was our strongest trait in the Voss era and Essendon smoked us - that in itself confirms how much things have changed.

Voss was a contested beast and coached the same way but for whatever reason it didn't work and the current system change is welcomed as i feel we are now finally getting the best out of the list. The have a higher rating on the list then you as i rate it middle of the road so the 1-8 start on a weak draw without major injuries meant something was off and the last 4 weeks proved it in my eyes anyway. 

I expect us to win 50% of our remaining matches and this was not going to happen under the previous system

 

I'll respectfully disagree Shawny on the list and I put our rejuvenation down more to the dominant work of Cripps and Walsh which was missing earlier in the season.
Would you offer the job to Fraser if he achieved your 50% win rate and are you happy to continue with the majority of the list as is?

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on June 10, 2026, 07:10:18 pm

I'll respectfully disagree Shawny on the list and I put our rejuvenation down more to the dominant work of Cripps and Walsh which was missing earlier in the season.
Would you offer the job to Fraser if he achieved your 50% win rate and are you happy to continue with the majority of the list as is?

EB, I want a thorough process to elect the next coach. If after that process Fraser is selected then im fine with that but we need that process. This is the step i believe we keep getting wrong so i want no stone unturned this time around

Regarding the list I believe its not as bad as it appeared under Voss in his last few years and the instant result changes with the interim coach confirms my thinking. I rank it mid tier without major injuries and once you add Walker to Jagga Walsh and Cripps mix, get more games into the kids and if we can snare a few free agents that fill a few of the weaker areas we will be hard to beat. No list is ever perfect so we need smart additions again in the off season but as i said we are not as far away as many think.

Mainly as i don't think the players we lost in last years trade has been as bad as many imagined as a matter of fact i would take the mobile hard working Haywood over lazy Charlie, Jack is a handy player but the improvement of Cowan negates his loss, it's TDK that hurt us mobile goalkicking rucks don't exactly grow on trees. I'm much more bullish than i was 12 months ago in fact i believe we are better placed now then we were this time last year comparing the list at both times.

Then again I could be delusional!  Time will tell.   

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on June 10, 2026, 03:23:43 pm

Don't think any supporters pro Voss or anti Voss buy the idea that he genuinely resigned.
It was a negotiated exit and another Carlton sacking designed for less mess than usual to generate better optics for the outside world.
The players let Voss down, there is no magic in Frasers board of magnets or messaging Imho. The same players Voss defended all season were the same ones who didn't produce for him when it mattered and when it's your top players it's only going to end one way.
Why are they playing better now? maybe extend their careers, save their careers, push their asking price up for other clubs or fear the newbie enthusiastic kids will expose their lack of effort?
Wright, Priestley and Davies wouldnt be my idea of a supportive senior management. I was and am no fan of Voss the coach but he should have been let go last season in a clean manner and not made to be part of and suffer the treacherous masquerade and waste of time that went on this season.

EB, players play to a system at the highest level sure they have to execute it but the actual gameplan is on the coaches. There has been significant game day changes since Fraser took over (in particular the first 3 weeks).  How we transition from D50 is completely different, changes in personnel with more youth and more speed, Inside 50 manic pressure on the opposition is there every week with the kids we have in there. The use of Haywood is different. The use of Harry is different.  Using Hewitt in the role he is best has also worked. He was the one asked to quiet Durham in the second half. He was in the 2nds under Voss. The lowering of the eyes and trying to target a leading forward is much improved under Fraser - even though this week was looked back to the old Voss days. My theory is the Dons had many behind the ball which made it a lot harder to navigate around their spares. Hopefully this returns back to the first 3 weeks next week as the Giants will likely just try and take us on like Geel, Dogs and Port did.  

We got smashed this week in contested footy and thats against the last placed team, yet we still got the 4 points - Contested footy was our strongest trait in the Voss era and Essendon smoked us - that in itself confirms how much things have changed.

Voss was a contested beast and coached the same way but for whatever reason it didn't work and the current system change is welcomed as i feel we are now finally getting the best out of the list. The have a higher rating on the list then you as i rate it middle of the road so the 1-8 start on a weak draw without major injuries meant something was off and the last 4 weeks proved it in my eyes anyway. 

I expect us to win 50% of our remaining matches and this was not going to happen under the previous system

 

if we had an a-grade ruck (that knows the rules),  the list would look a lot better.

Quote from: Milhanna13 – on June 11, 2026, 02:58:31 pm

if we had an a-grade ruck (that knows the rules), the list would look a lot better.

Like Brodie Grundy?

FYI, Pitto gives away 1.7 free kicks a game.
Grundy gives away 2.9 free kicks a game.

Maybe he doesn't know the rules either?

Witts gives away 1.9 free kicks a game.
McAndrew gives away 1.8 free kicks a game
Luke Jackson gives away 1.7 free kicks a game.
TDK gives away 2.0 free kicks a game.

Perhaps its the rules that are the problem.

Quote from: kruddler – on June 11, 2026, 04:00:00 pm

Like Brodie Grundy?

FYI, Pitto gives away 1.7 free kicks a game.
Grundy gives away 2.9 free kicks a game.

Maybe he doesn't know the rules either?

Witts gives away 1.9 free kicks a game.
McAndrew gives away 1.8 free kicks a game
Luke Jackson gives away 1.7 free kicks a game.
TDK gives away 2.0 free kicks a game.

Perhaps its the rules that are the problem.

Issue is Grundy Witts Jackson TDK etc are more than handy outside the stoppage. Unfortunately, our man is a bit of a one trick pony except for the first 2 rounds where he was leading the coleman

Pit has grown on me - I was never a big fan but something him tells me he is a rippa bloke and sounds like a quite infectious character in the team which is a strong quality in a team sport but as a pure footballer in his position he would be in the bottom 2 -3 if you look at it without bias       

Quote from: kruddler – on June 11, 2026, 04:00:00 pm

Like Brodie Grundy?

FYI, Pitto gives away 1.7 free kicks a game.
Grundy gives away 2.9 free kicks a game.

Maybe he doesn't know the rules either?

Witts gives away 1.9 free kicks a game.
McAndrew gives away 1.8 free kicks a game
Luke Jackson gives away 1.7 free kicks a game.
TDK gives away 2.0 free kicks a game.

Perhaps its the rules that are the problem.

Issue is Grundy Witts Jackson TDK etc are more than handy outside the stoppage. Unfortunately, our man is a bit of a one trick pony except for the first 2 rounds where he was leading the coleman

Pit has grown on me - I was never a big fan but something him tells me he is a rippa bloke and sounds like a quite infectious character in the team which is a strong quality in a team sport but as a pure footballer in his position he would be in the bottom 2 -3 if you look at it without bias

Quote from: shawny – on June 11, 2026, 04:27:42 pm

Issue is Grundy Witts Jackson TDK etc are more than handy outside the stoppage. Unfortunately, our man is a bit of a one trick pony except for the first 2 rounds where he was leading the coleman

Pit has grown on me - I was never a big fan but something him tells me he is a rippa bloke and sounds like a quite infectious character in the team which is a strong quality in a team sport but as a pure footballer in his position he would be in the bottom 2 -3 if you look at it without bias

I don't disagree with that, but why not say that first?

I found it odd that you used the free kick count to justify your thoughts, which doesn't actually help your argument.

Quote from: Milhanna13 – on June 11, 2026, 02:58:31 pm

if we had an a-grade ruck (that knows the rules),  the list would look a lot better.

Like Brodie Grundy?

FYI, Pitto gives away 1.7 free kicks a game.
Grundy gives away 2.9 free kicks a game.

Maybe he doesn't know the rules either?

Witts gives away 1.9 free kicks a game.
McAndrew gives away 1.8 free kicks a game
Luke Jackson gives away 1.7 free kicks a game.
TDK gives away 2.0 free kicks a game.

Perhaps its the rules that are the problem.

Quote from: kruddler – on June 11, 2026, 05:20:06 pm

I don't disagree with that, but why not say that first?

I found it odd that you used the free kick count to justify your thoughts, which doesn't actually help your argument.

what are you talking about?

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on June 10, 2026, 07:10:18 pm

I'll respectfully disagree Shawny on the list and I put our rejuvenation down more to the dominant work of Cripps and Walsh which was missing earlier in the season.
Would you offer the job to Fraser if he achieved your 50% win rate and are you happy to continue with the majority of the list as is?

EB, I want a thorough process to elect the next coach. If after that process Fraser is selected then im fine with that but we need that process. This is the step i believe we keep getting wrong so i want no stone unturned this time around

Regarding the list I believe its not as bad as it appeared under Voss in his last few years and the instant result changes with the interim coach confirms my thinking. I rank it mid tier without major injuries and once you add Walker to Jagga Walsh and Cripps mix, get more games into the kids and if we can snare a few free agents that fill a few of the weaker areas we will be hard to beat. No list is ever perfect so we need smart additions again in the off season but as i said we are not as far away as many think.

Mainly as i don't think the players we lost in last years trade has been as bad as many imagined as a matter of fact i would take the mobile hard working Haywood over lazy Charlie, Jack is a handy player but the improvement of Cowan negates his loss, it's TDK that hurt us mobile goalkicking rucks don't exactly grow on trees. I'm much more bullish than i was 12 months ago in fact i believe we are better placed now then we were this time last year comparing the list at both times.

Then again I could be delusional!  Time will tell.   

Quote from: Milhanna13 – on June 11, 2026, 02:58:31 pm

if we had an a-grade ruck (that knows the rules),  the list would look a lot better.

Like Brodie Grundy?

FYI, Pitto gives away 1.7 free kicks a game.
Grundy gives away 2.9 free kicks a game.

Maybe he doesn't know the rules either?

Witts gives away 1.9 free kicks a game.
McAndrew gives away 1.8 free kicks a game
Luke Jackson gives away 1.7 free kicks a game.
TDK gives away 2.0 free kicks a game.

Perhaps its the rules that are the problem.

Quote from: kruddler – on June 11, 2026, 04:00:00 pm

Like Brodie Grundy?

FYI, Pitto gives away 1.7 free kicks a game.
Grundy gives away 2.9 free kicks a game.

Maybe he doesn't know the rules either?

Witts gives away 1.9 free kicks a game.
McAndrew gives away 1.8 free kicks a game
Luke Jackson gives away 1.7 free kicks a game.
TDK gives away 2.0 free kicks a game.

Perhaps its the rules that are the problem.

would love to know how many of those are centre square frees (for both pitto and the others).   maybe its just because we watch him all the time,  but pitto does seem to give away a lot of those

i support pitto, but he isnt as dynamic as some of the other rucks in the comp (although he started the year kicking goals),  and if he isnt giving is first use in the middle (including giving away frees),  then he becomes even less useful

Quote from: Milhanna13 – on June 12, 2026, 08:57:17 am

would love to know how many of those are centre square frees (for both pitto and the others).   maybe its just because we watch him all the time,  but pitto does seem to give away a lot of those

i support pitto, but he isnt as dynamic as some of the other rucks in the comp (although he started the year kicking goals),  and if he isnt giving is first use in the middle (including giving away frees),  then he becomes even less useful

It would definitely show a bias.  I.e.  pittonet is penalised once per match for crossing the line in ruck contests over the course of 2026.  Most of that time, his opponent is running and jumping over him and also crossing the line but it seems that if you are off the ground, in the air, this doesn’t matter.

Ultimately the free kick thing is irrelevant as most of the ones he is giving away aren't really there to start with.

When you look at free kicks rather than worry about how many are given away, it needs to be viewed solely about how a player plays over the course of a match.  Some players are on the edge more and give more frees away.  Some teams play like this as a rule.

The number of frees simply represent the number of times you got penalised, and not the number of times you infringed or did something wrong as you wont be penalised every time, the umps tend to put the whistle away.