I wouldn't expect too much EB. Our seconds has F all AFL-standard players as well. Be tempted to play both the Campos for Hewitt and Hollands, but Lord is a consideration. Today's VFL game will be illuminating.
Jagga Smith might need a break as well, missing a lot of tackles/having them broken and that won't fly against the filth.
Cottrell or Acres to run with Daicos.
Cottrell or Acres to run with Daicos.
[1] Our ruck division:
We have 4 rucks on our list, but not one that is a matchwinner. As others have pointed out, a great ruck may not win you a premiership, but a ruck division that can't even break even will lose one. We got a lesson today on just how important a ruckman can be.
Pitto is a warrior, but he is probably at his peak now. He averages about 1 mark per game. Had we had him tonight, we probably wouldn't have lost by so much, but that is neither here nor there.
Flynn Riley has a future, but he has his limitations. He is very tall, but not hugely strong. He does have a better jump that the rest of our rucks, but he isn't a premiership ruckman either.
Hudson O'Keefe has gone backwards. I don't expect him to remain unless he can start showing more.
Reidy isn't a bad ruckman, but he isn't the man either. He dominates at VFL level, but does not at AFL level.
Surely Kemp has to be on shaky ground. When I watch him play I am reminded of the saying "Jack of all trades and master of none". He has been tried on the back line, the forward line and positions in between. On a good day he breaks even with his opponent, and on most other days his performance can best be described as mediocre.
The fact he is able to retain his position in the side is a reflection of our desperate shortage of KPPs.
Maclean is better EB
Maclean is better EB
Surely Kemp has to be on shaky ground. When I watch him play I am reminded of the saying "Jack of all trades and master of none". He has been tried on the back line, the forward line and positions in between. On a good day he breaks even with his opponent, and on most other days his performance can best be described as mediocre.
The fact he is able to retain his position in the side is a reflection of our desperate shortage of KPPs.
Kemp...
He's a bit off the boil just at the moment and that's probably influencing perceptions a bit (mine included)
I think the thing that affects most people's opinions with regard to Kemp is that he is essentially our main forward target but he doesn't hit the scoreboard often enough, especially in the block of games since Voss's departure.
There's a couple of goalless games there, and another couple where he's only kicked the one.
He makes position very well and provides a good target.
He's probably attracting the best oppostition defender while McKay is off in "never never land" away from goal.
He averages around 6 marks a game...so it's not like he doesn't get opportunities.
In fact he should be getting more, because in recent games he's dropped a lot of marks he would normally take.
(that may be the reason folks are a bit down on him at present)
He'll probably finish the season with around the same number of goals as Curnow kicked last year.
It's true, he would benefit from another big body up there...either McKay back closer to goal, maybe Derksen when Weitering comes back or a resting ruck.
Surely Kemp has to be on shaky ground. When I watch him play I am reminded of the saying "Jack of all trades and master of none". He has been tried on the back line, the forward line and positions in between. On a good day he breaks even with his opponent, and on most other days his performance can best be described as mediocre.
The fact he is able to retain his position in the side is a reflection of our desperate shortage of KPPs.
Re kemp....
Very poor game from him, no doubt.
However, did you see our entry inside f50?
As best i can tell it was sit it on harrys head and hope for a miracle.....and it didnt come.
Our f50 entries are terrible, and the conditions have a large say in that, but when its decent weather, kemp finds space and is ok 1 on 1 and on a lead.
Given we have SFA behind him knocking on the door, we must persist with him.
Hes much better as 3rd banana not #2.
Had we recruited some KPFs over the years, hed be playing 2s, but we didnt, so here we are.
Kemp isnt a reliable set shot kick for goal and will never make a good full forward on that basis imho.
Kemp isnt a reliable set shot kick for goal and will never make a good full forward on that basis imho.
Is he any worse than Harry?
I'm not saying Kemp is a star but it s not the situation that if you're not elite you're on the cracked sacked list.
Does anyone think we can beat Collingwood?
Does anyone think we can beat Collingwood?
Does anyone think we can beat Collingwood?
Collingwood would be deservedly starting as favorites, but not by much IMO. I think some in the AFL world would be spooked by the Hawthorn game, which is not unreasonable. I give us a slight chance, but we need 4 quarters of good footy and 18/23 contributors. And if it comes down to "taking our moments" hopefully we're good enough - the Pies have a few players who are good in that space.
I'm more confident about a win this week than last but our form has tapered off. Sides are smashing both Rich & Ess and we just barely got across the line against both. How we knocked off GWS during that period defies logic.
Anyway, Cool are not in the same league as the Dorks and hopefully with a little luck and application our boys can get across the line.
Keys to winning
1. Stop N Daicos (was hoping B Wilson would get a run here)
2. Reduce the impact around centre and stoppage of De Goey
3. Tackle, tackle, tackle. Intensity
Acres needs to come back in. Flynn Young, Zac Williams, maybe Fogarty all potantial in's
George will be out. Hollands hasn't worked. Ison needs a break and Kemp I would drop
Does anyone think we can beat Collingwood?
Does anyone think we can beat Collingwood?
Yes.
Without trying to make this a coach debate, look at what happenes last time.
We had elijah off with the fairies for the whole game and we had byrne miss the shot at the end to give us a draw.
If we are not playing hollands, we have immediately improved and this should win.
Does anyone think we can beat Collingwood?
Kemp is a good kick for goal generally.
He had a terrible patch earlier this year but that's not the norm.
Even with that terrible patch, he's better than McKay who has won a Coleman.
Make him the 3rd tall.
Get mids who can kick
Kemp is no longer a 'problem'
All our forwards need to sharpen up their goal kicking - Byrne and Ison have sprayed important kicks and Harry's goal kicking issues are an established fact.
I prefer specialist KP forwards rather than manufactured ones...we need to recruit a young KP who is a good kick at U18 level and doesn't need remedial work.
Brendon Fevola comes to mind...we don't have that player like a Fevola, Gunston, Elliott, Robbie Gray who can kick that set shot match winner in the final seconds under pressure.
I prefer specialist KP forwards rather than manufactured ones...we need to recruit a young KP who is a good kick at U18 level and doesn't need remedial work.
Brendon Fevola comes to mind...we don't have that player like a Fevola, Gunston, Elliott, Robbie Gray who can kick that set shot match winner in the final seconds under pressure.
I prefer specialist KP forwards rather than manufactured ones...we need to recruit a young KP who is a good kick at U18 level and doesn't need remedial work.
Brendon Fevola comes to mind...we don't have that player like a Fevola, Gunston, Elliott, Robbie Gray who can kick that set shot match winner in the final seconds under pressure.
Kemp was named full forward in the 2019 Under 18 All Australian team. You could say that we're finally playing him in his best position.
All our forwards need to sharpen up their goal kicking - Byrne and Ison have sprayed important kicks and Harry's goal kicking issues are an established fact.
And missing a relatively easy kick for goal can sap team confidence, particularly when players have worked hard to create the opportunity.
Does anyone know why Cooper Lord didn't play VFL on the weekend?
He wasn't on the injury list pre-game.
Was he injured just before the game.
Were the concerns over Hewett's back a reason to hold him back, seems a bit extreme....could have played half game if not injured.
Cooper Lord, who’d been in stellar VFL form, was held out of the twos over the weekend due to the Hewett injury and looms as a reinforcement if the on-baller doesn’t get up.
I prefer specialist KP forwards rather than manufactured ones...we need to recruit a young KP who is a good kick at U18 level and doesn't need remedial work.
Brendon Fevola comes to mind...we don't have that player like a Fevola, Gunston, Elliott, Robbie Gray who can kick that set shot match winner in the final seconds under pressure.
| Player | Goals | Behinds | Total Shots | Accuracy (%) |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Brendan Fevola | 623 | 402 | 1,025 | 60.8% |
| Jack Gunston | 593 | 344 | 937 | 63.3% |
| Robbie Gray | 367 | 262 | 629 | 58.3% |
| Jamie Elliott | 364 | 230 | 594 | 61.3% |
| Charlie Curnow | 363 | 164 | 527 | 68.9% |
| Harry McKay | 296 | 155 | 451 | 65.6% |
| Brodie Kemp | 38 | 26 | 64 | 59.4% |
Data Source: AFL Tables career records.
Player Goals Behinds Total Shots Accuracy (%) Brendan Fevola Jack Gunston Robbie Gray Jamie Elliott Charlie Curnow Harry McKay Brodie Kemp
Collingwood would be deservedly starting as favorites, but not by much IMO. I think some in the AFL world would be spooked by the Hawthorn game, which is not unreasonable. I give us a slight chance, but we need 4 quarters of good footy and 18/23 contributors. And if it comes down to "taking our moments" hopefully we're good enough - the Pies have a few players who are good in that space.They’ve taken their moments against us when it counts, same story for the last 5 games or so. We definitely owe them a 4 quarter performance, for our own sanity if nothing else.
What's the odds Frampton gets off? (Is it a Slam Dunk?)
I prefer specialist KP forwards rather than manufactured ones...we need to recruit a young KP who is a good kick at U18 level and doesn't need remedial work.
Brendon Fevola comes to mind...we don't have that player like a Fevola, Gunston, Elliott, Robbie Gray who can kick that set shot match winner in the final seconds under pressure.
I know this is not exactly what you were talking about and the following data doesn't take into account complete misses (look at you Harry) but point remains, i think Kemp is being a bit harshly judged.Data Source: AFL Tables career records.
Player Goals Behinds Total Shots Accuracy (%) Brendan Fevola Jack Gunston Robbie Gray Jamie Elliott Charlie Curnow Harry McKay Brodie Kemp
He did! Hard to believe but got the Collingwood discount....lol.
Love the headline "Shock verdict as Tribunal finds Pie tackled dangerously... but overturns his ban anyway".
I know this is not exactly what you were talking about and the following data doesn't take into account complete misses (look at you Harry) but point remains, i think Kemp is being a bit harshly judged.Data Source: AFL Tables career records.
Player Goals Behinds Total Shots Accuracy (%) Brendan Fevola Jack Gunston Robbie Gray Jamie Elliott Charlie Curnow Harry McKay Brodie Kemp
these stats not counting shots that go on the full or some food drop short mean they are not a true measure of goal kicking accuracy.
if you can find one that does registar all the other ‘misses’ you will find they are worlds apart
these stats not counting shots that go on the full or some food drop short mean they are not a true measure of goal kicking accuracy.
if you can find one that does registar all the other ‘misses’ you will find they are worlds apart
I literally said that in the post.
Not like you to respond to things without reading them (or is it?)
Evans: 37.9%
Hayward 41.7%
Ainsworth 44.7%
Bloody hell.
AFL app has the data.
Scoring accuracy 2026
Kemp: 46.2%
McKay: 43.1%
McGovern 56.5%
Cripps 32.3%
Nick Daicos 42.6%
I literally said that in the post.
Not like you to respond to things without reading them (or is it?)
I did read it and wasn't having a go at your post just stating without those stats the comparison is pointless. Your last sentence says 'the point remains' - my post was inferring the stats provided mean nothing so cant be used to demonstrate Kemps kicking.
You do realise this is a forum with differing opinions ::)
MC realised their mistake for included Hollands over Acres. Swapped it back now.
Perhaps the thinking that Reidy offers more than Riley at this stage, around ground and up forward.
MC realised their mistake for included Hollands over Acres. Swapped it back now.
Yep.
I won't be at all surprised if we try Lord to tag Daicos.
Perhaps the thinking that Reidy offers more than Riley at this stage, around ground and up forward.If Im not mistaken, Reidy played a blinder in the 2s so he is being rewarded I guess.
If Im not mistaken, Reidy played a blinder in the 2s so he is being rewarded I guess.
Having watched the match, I would say you are mistaken.
If Im not mistaken, Reidy played a blinder in the 2s so he is being rewarded I guess.
Having watched the match, I would say you are mistaken.
Lord can't go with Daicos. Not many can.
Surprised they bring in Lord with Hewett in. Even if Cerra goes back to the wing we lack a bit of pace.
Maybe Hewett will be a late out and Flynn Young comes in to play the Jack Ison role.
Disappointed they have dropped Holland but can understand why. Just hope they play him in the same role in the VFL and not as an inside mid.
Don't think Reidy has done much right all year, and his inclusion must be based on trackwork and a little bit of hope.
Lord can't go with Daicos. Not many can.
Surprised they bring in Lord with Hewett in. Even if Cerra goes back to the wing we lack a bit of pace.
Maybe Hewett will be a late out and Flynn Young comes in to play the Jack Ison role.
Disappointed they have dropped Holland but can understand why. Just hope they play him in the same role in the VFL and not as an inside mid.
Don't think Reidy has done much right all year, and his inclusion must be based on trackwork and a little bit of hope.
I've suggested this before (possible last time we played them) but i'd like to see Cottrell go to Daicos. He has the tank. He adds agression which Naicos doesn't like. Would get inside his head.
Worth a shot IMO.
I've suggested this before (possible last time we played them) but i'd like to see Cottrell go to Daicos. He has the tank. He adds agression which Naicos doesn't like. Would get inside his head.
Worth a shot IMO.
Lord can't go with Daicos. Not many can.
Surprised they bring in Lord with Hewett in. Even if Cerra goes back to the wing we lack a bit of pace.
Maybe Hewett will be a late out and Flynn Young comes in to play the Jack Ison role.
Disappointed they have dropped Holland but can understand why. Just hope they play him in the same role in the VFL and not as an inside mid.
Don't think Reidy has done much right all year, and his inclusion must be based on trackwork and a little bit of hope.
I've suggested this before (possible last time we played them) but i'd like to see Cottrell go to Daicos. He has the tank. He adds agression which Naicos doesn't like. Would get inside his head.
Worth a shot IMO.
Frankie Evans for some of the time??
Cowan to daicos for me
Our Mids and Rucks are generally too nice, we do not take any toll out on the opposition, this is despite being generally bigger and heavier than our opponents.
Maybe not Reidy though, he has a bit of a mean streak! ;)
Our Mids and Rucks are generally too nice, we do not take any toll out on the opposition, this is despite being generally bigger and heavier than our opponents.
Maybe not Reidy though, he has a bit of a mean streak! ;)
Bit of a mean streak! Let's just say I hope Pitto is recovering well... If anyone runs the potential of getting reported if the game gets hot, it'd be Reidy.
Our Mids and Rucks are generally too nice, we do not take any toll out on the opposition, this is despite being generally bigger and heavier than our opponents.
Maybe not Reidy though, he has a bit of a mean streak! ;)
Bit of a mean streak! Let's just say I hope Pitto is recovering well... If anyone runs the potential of getting reported if the game gets hot, it'd be Reidy.
Reidy looked aggressive and like he had a mean streak in the preseason. Sadly he as demonstrated none of that in the season proper. Like HOK, he is all bark and no bite I'm affraid.
Bit of a mean streak! Let's just say I hope Pitto is recovering well... If anyone runs the potential of getting reported if the game gets hot, it'd be Reidy.
Reidy looked aggressive and like he had a mean streak in the preseason. Sadly he as demonstrated none of that in the season proper. Like HOK, he is all bark and no bite I'm affraid.I hope Reidy can step up this week, not just because we really need him to, but because his career really needs him to respond. He wasn't the guy I would have recruited, but that doesn't mean I don't want him to succeed.