Ready for tonight. Not looking forward to the weather.
Geez i'm happy i'm sitting on the comfort of my own couch tonight.
Weather is terrible.
Ison off injured already
Umpire calls play on, by doing the arms up motion, we play on, and get a 50m penalty against us.
That is almost as bad as the umpire paying a mark to the bloke who took the ball 5m away from the contest after it was punched to him.
I'd like to see how the AFL justify that one. Cost us a goal in weather that goals are incredibly hard to come by.
Umpiring standard gets worse every year and every time they add more n
Free kicks 7 - 1 against us.
The umpiring is getting worse.
They are not going to walk off the ground if this keeps up. :o
Umpire stage management in progress. Disgusting
The big fella Riley, spills to him in a pack, throws it on the boot and flies through.
Great goal in the conditions, albeit with a bit of luck.
On the replay he actually verbalized it as well!
Riley showing his around the ground stuff, in another season or two with good health he'll be formidable because he's not going to get weaker at marking, aerobic capacity and agility.
It's good to have Fraser coaching, because he should know better than Voss how to manage a young ruck through a game like this.
Tip rat gets his 3rd goal. Someone take one for the team and take him out.
Hewett looks done for the day.....and possibly longer.
Not sure if the weather will stay like this all game, but it may work out in our favour. Low scoring game will come down to luck as much as anything i think.
12 free kicks get let go in a minute.....then they play a 50-50 (at best) to give them a shot on goal.....which Gunston converts.
F*** me.
We are getting feckin crucified by the scumpires. Absolutely screwed over
Shocking umpiring
Whats the free kick count now?
10-8 in Hawthorn’s favour.
8-10....their way.
We got a few that didn't matter, in fact one that they called back which disadvantages us!But they are getting the ones in front of goal.
Got at least 2 (out of 4) from dodgy free kicks.
Dunstan pushes defenders in the back constantly..nothing to see hete
Kingy pinpointing the problem with that goal.
Hollands being drawn into the contest and not staying on the last line.
You can bet Acres would've held back.
Still can't understand why they dropped Acres.
Playing terrible wet weather footy, they have handled the footy much better than us, They probably should be further in front.
That margin is virtually unassailable in these conditions. Shame about George, did not look good in the rooms, hopefully its spasms and not anything sinister.
12 of those 33 points are umpiring gifts, I mean not even borderline, blatant rubbish decisions that are not AFL standard, not even backyard standard!
There are more umpires out there than ever before in AFL history, and they are horrendous!
An absolute disgrace. Are they making mistakes or ???. You have to wonder. Having said that we are not helping ourselves so far, Dawks have adapted to the conditions better.
Commentary team just absolutely sh1t canned the umpires btw.
And that's the problem
@cookie2 It's hard enough battling the umpires, but you don't need to shoot yourself in the foot.
The AFL correct a fuzzy follicale flicking the footy a blurry 70m away, but they won't correct deadset umpiring howlers visible from five angles in Full HD.
The Cerra 50m howler aside, umps arent the difference thus far. It's terrible ground positioning and trying to play dry weather footy. Take territory (off the ground preferably) and stop playing pack footy (they are sitting off and getting the footy when it spills or squirts out).
Just reshowed the 50m penalty we spoke about earlier.
Isolating the audio and showing the vision.
100% said play on.
100% put his arms up the air to signal it.
As soon as he did he tried to 'take it back' and said 'wait' i believe.
Then blew the whistle and gave a 50m against us for going over the mark.
There is simply no way for the AFL to defend that. Its as clear of a f*** up as you will ever see.
Together with the one i mentioned earlier from the PA game IIRC where the umpire paid a mark to a bloke 5m off the contest who had the ball punched to him for a 'mark', they are the 2 worst decisions i've ever seen in my time watching football. Both against us.
But the AFL will tell you that the umpiring is the best its ever been???
If we dont change up how we play, another couple of goals will seal it.
Agreed, the Dawks are sitting out the back waiting for a dumb blind handballs forward, that said the howlers have turned the game beyond doubt.
In these conditions you get it forward whichever way. Kick off the ground, knock on etc, as long as it's moving forward, then keep it locked in the F50 when we have it.
We needed to play Hawthorn last week...lol.
That's happened twice this season, I've never seen it before in history even back when we only had one umpire.
Thats 1
We refuse to take front position and are paying the price. Dawks positioning around contests also much better
First goal in basically a half of footy.
Time to get going if we wanna have a hope.
Kemp is clueless in these conditions, liability tonight
and when pressure comes, mistakes come.
Ison needs a spell. Lost all confidence
What was Hayward withinking there?
Id spell Kemp before I spell Ison.
Defence looking very porous atm
I hate, hate, hate, HATE, LOATHE this mob.
Screaming’ Jay takes a screamer -put a spell on us.
Hollands, Kemp useless
Looks like we are fecked - 40 points adrift now
Those bad habits I saw sneaking in last week are amplified tonight, keep watching and count how many times you see two Carlton players watching the ball roll past them each waiting for the other to pick it up.
Fraser's first 5 or 6 weeks were different, but the honeymoon is over.
I wish I was wrong, I hope we can have a miracle last, but it's unfolding as I posted earlier in the week and it's nothing to do with the conditions. There last game was a rocket, our last game an omen.
Floodgates opening
Certainly on tonight’s performances
Crippa, Jagga ineffectual tonight need to lift in the last. We're not winning this, but need to fight it out.
Hopefully it's the "due for a loss" thing. It hasn't been good. Unlike after the flat Essendon game where we picked up, tonight we carried on where we left off last week.
Ison's miss. would have put us within 14pts. Dropped our head and let them kick the next 3.
Sack Voss.
Agree LP. Too many sitting back waiting for someone else to do the hard work.
Especially Hollands and Kemp
I wish players would kick to to space and demand the player run to that space rather than honouring a lead
Since the rain stopped it’s like we’ve just kept bombing for territory and forgotten how to change angles and keep possession.
We are pannicking tonight, and it makes us look very ordinary.
Sack the coach
There is 'due for a loss' and then there is getting 'beaten by 10 goals in the wet loss'
If our performances are NOT about the opposition we are playing against, which is what people keep telling me, then what is it?
Has Fraser forgotten how to coach already?
I'm on the Monash already. Worst performance all year
Don’t burn any bridges with Enright just yet
No Cripps, no Carlton.
Only had 18 so far. Keeps that trend alive as well.
I have been a supporter of his but tonight has exposed some flaws in his game that may not be repairable.
The Hawks were obviously smarting after last week and were determined to make amends. They were on from the get go. I didn't think we'd win, but I was hoping for a much closer tussle than this.
Yeah he doesnt cut it Im affraid.
If we had a coach with a plan B
Got nobody in the twos putting selection pressure on Kemp.
8mins to go in the last and we are 61 points down in a match dominated by the heavy rain.
A number of our bit-part players have been shown up too, the bubble has well & truly burst tonight.
The rain and the utterly woeful umpiring haven't helped our cause.
Commentators keep pumping up Rileys tyres.
First game, good to give him a wrap.
But only had 6 touches, 14 hitouts, 2 clearances.
Meek his direct opponent has had 16 touches, 49 hitouts and 10 clearances.
Apart from Rileys lucky goal....he's been very well beaten.
....which is fine, its his first game and in terrible conditions....but are the commentators watching the game?
At the ground we looked so soft.
We should have enough smarting from a 1-7 start and sacked coach to last a decade. If our blokes are motivated to beat the best, they need to go and find another line of work.
I think everyone was expecting us to give them a really good run for their money, sadly, we have gone back to the Voss era standards.
This is 100+ in the dry
They are judging him relative to other players who have been in the AFL for 46 days, and so they should.
Opposition strength accounts for that.
Not me. We can't beat the good teams.
Unfortunately, I have seen a few of our players either not prepared to put their body on the line or completely unsure of what to do in these conditions.
Either way, it is not acceptable.
There's still time with the way they are going currently.
I'm warming to Byrne, has a very serious win-at-all-costs attitude and is very team orientated.
Sack Voss
There some players out there tonight who are watching the start of their career termination.
I'll be gobsmacked if after tonight we don't pay any asking price for SoA, and go the rebuild for 2027. Fans will hate that, but the writting is on the wall.
Its the wrong year to be doing a rebuild
Hopefully this game is an aberration, a blip on the radar, and not the start of yet another downward spiral.
That's not going to stop us, it's too late for the alternatives, so we'll pay the SoA price.
Really, the slide started a couple of weeks back, the wins were just camouflage.
Nah, wins a win, we fought and fought for 4 qtrs. Tonight we went in square (almost) at qtr time, goal less 2nd, the writing was on the wall. 3rd qtr was flat. 4th we gave up. Disappointing.