If Frazer does not want the job he has rocks in his head. And if Carlton don't give it to him then they should be shot, hung, drawn and quartered.
If the coach selection panel weren't fully convinced before tonight, then they should be now. It's his for the taking after that result that even the biggest fans could not have seen coming!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 20 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane at Marvel
Post by: blueboys_1 on August 01, 2026, 10:29:05 pm
Highest score in 16 years and 16 individual goal kickers which ties the AFL/VFL record for goal kickers. Spewing I did not go. Cant wait to watch the replay. Go Bluesssssssssssssssssssssssssss..............
Title: Re: AFL Rd 20 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane at Marvel
Post by: PaulP on August 01, 2026, 10:29:14 pm
A game for the ages. Unbelievable effort by all. Wright and Davies have some decisions to make, and they better be correct.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 20 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane at Marvel
Post by: PaulP on August 01, 2026, 10:31:14 pm
I feel happiest for Crippa. Whatever else has happened or will happen in his career, at least his 250th was a thing of real beauty.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 20 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane at Marvel
Post by: madbluboy on August 01, 2026, 10:35:09 pm
Start of the year I think I posted something about not relying on kids like Smith and Dean lol.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 20 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane at Marvel
Post by: laj on August 01, 2026, 10:36:13 pm
Last time we kicked over 150 was round 20 2012 when we beat Essendon by 96pts.
Just won't say what happened the week after...lol.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 20 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane at Marvel
Post by: LP on August 01, 2026, 10:40:40 pm
Tough game to vote in, Hewett, McKay, Smith, Dean, any could get the votes.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 20 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane at Marvel
Post by: shawny on August 01, 2026, 10:58:14 pm
They said we couldnt win without Cripps playing a blinder against the better teams.
They said we couldnt beat a top tier team
They said the list has holes everywhere.
They said we should have stuck with Voss.
1-8 to 9-2
regardless of which side you sat on, really think its now time to put it to all to bed and just enjoy the new journey.
To do this without our general in defence and a bunch of kids in the back 6 its just ridiculous and shows we have the young players and with walker to come in - add a few more and who knows how far we can go.
And no im not over reacting we have won 9 from 11 and just pumped the 2 time reigning premiers by 75 points.
The job has to be Frasers if he wants it - you cant ignore what he has done with this list. You just cant.
My nightly scotch has never tasted better.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 20 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane at Marvel
Post by: rocky on August 01, 2026, 11:17:32 pm
Unbelievable. Best win since the 1999 prelim final. Cannot even imagine something like this happening.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 20 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane at Marvel
Post by: LP on August 01, 2026, 11:30:45 pm
They said Hayward, Florent and Ainsworth was a bust. They said Florent was a turnover merchant. They said Austin was a spud. They said Cripps was cooked. They said we play nothing like Brisbane. They said we can't afford to play two rucks. They said McKay should be traded. They said Kemp should never play F50 again.
Be careful with what they say, the internet never forgets.
For example, special comments man King had previously said we had a new game plan never seen before since Fraser took over, then tonight he said under Voss we'd be trying to execute this game all season and for whatever reason Voss could not get it done (executed)! Which is exactly what I've been saying for months!
In 2026 we play an almost identical game plan the Brisbane, but our execution and inconsistency has been bringing us undone, until tonight. We nearly beat them last time, which before tonight was in my opinion our best game of the season.
I'd also said we are just one or two players off a massive change of fortune, and it looks like Austin delivered, pity he's gone. The baby thrown out with the bathwater after Ma and Pa threw a massive tanti!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 20 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane at Marvel
Post by: Gointocarlton on August 01, 2026, 11:31:41 pm
Wow! I went along hoping to see a win for Crippa and Haynesy, didnt expect that. Just before half time I jokingly said to my mate we are on track to score 150 pts and he laughed. So happy for the skipper, a deserved win for a great pair of milestones against the benchmark who had their full compliment. What a pair of kids we have on hands in Jagga and Dean, scary to think how much improvement they have in them.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 20 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane at Marvel
Post by: tex on August 01, 2026, 11:58:51 pm
I was certain we’d get pumped.
Great to see some genuine smiles from the boys.
Team so much better without spuds like Williams, Fog and Motlop.
Much needed hardness with Ainsworth, Hayward and Byrne
Title: Re: AFL Rd 20 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane at Marvel
Post by: Micky0 on August 02, 2026, 12:22:36 am
Unbelievable - altho, I did pick us!
Absolutely gutted I didnt go to the game as Im away, absolutely the right outcome for Crippa 👑
Title: Re: AFL Rd 20 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane at Marvel
Post by: crashlander on August 02, 2026, 01:38:17 am
Some reflections on what will be my favourite H&A game for the 2026:
[1] Pitto was murdered in the ruck. But did that stop him? Not in the slightest. He may not have won the taps, but he made Draper's and Fort's ineffective. He often sharked the hit out himself. he had 6 clearances and helped our mids stop Brisbane's avenue to goal. His tackle early in the game really showed that we were on. As the game went on, he started to get more taps himself. Pitto had a big night. We really missed him when he was out. For that matter, Lewis Young showed similar intelligence when it was his turn to ruck. He didn't get a lot of taps, but he sharked more than a few and made it hard to the Brisbane mids to get their hands on the ball. Both guys really stood up tonight.
[2] Jagga Smith must win the Rising Star: He may have won the Robert Walls medal, but I think George Hewett was better. But that was irrelevant. Jagga is a guy in first season of football, and he really stood up. He had 29 possessions, kicked goals, made tackles, got clearances, and not just the crap we had a few weeks back, but real burst out of the centre clearances. And he will probably get better with experience and a bit more muscle.
[3] Our defence: If there was one area we were supposed to be ordinary in, it was our back half. We were missing Weitering, Newman, O'Farrell and more, yet our guys not only did the job, they slaughtered one of the most vaunted attacks in the game. Harry Dean ... what can you say? He played like his life depended on it. he played on a couple of big names and kicked more goals than they did combined. Wade Derksen had 18 possessions and 11 marks; he was excellent, playing with poise. His marking was excellent. Billy Wilson did his job well. Ollie Florent has got better as the season has gone on, he was brilliant tonight. His kicking was excellent and set things up. Haynes and Cowan didn't have huge nights, but they did their jobs with aplomb. Both set up goals with their efforts. Lewis Young also spent some time in defence and didn't screw up once. And he also kicked straight, for a change. We can't be dropped after a game like that. And the way our guys chased and tackles ... I loved it. Brisbane had one more tackle than we did, but Dunkley had 9 of them. Take that out and they it doesn't read well. And Brisbane don't tend to tackle much because of their ball movement. We had the fewest tackles we've had in ages, because we had the ball and moved it efficiently.
[4] Brodie Kemp: He is very much a confidence player and his confidence has been awfully down. getting those two early goals turned his game around. Not only was he supplying goals for others, but he felt confident to kick them himself. How do we get him to play this way every week? I don't know, but he embarrassed the Lion's defence. That he wasn't #1 forward probably helped: H took the key defender (and won that battle comfortably). Mitch was down a bit, but had some moments of true magic!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 20 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane at Marvel
Post by: kruddler on August 02, 2026, 07:37:47 am
Start of the year I think I posted something about not relying on kids like Smith and Dean lol.
Yep i basically said the same thing. I was happy with the kids coming through but it would take at least a year, probably 2.
I don't think anybody dreamed that jagga would be a lock for the rising star and dean is a clear podium finisher as well.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 20 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane at Marvel
Post by: kruddler on August 02, 2026, 07:42:29 am
Bit of a perfect storm for us last night.
- All the young kids played out of their skin. - kemp shed his kicking yips - harry started holding his marks - we were super accurate with the ball innfront of goal (and largely around the ground) - lions copped some in game injuries - brisbane threw up their hands and claimed 'too hard' for the second time this year..... only effort worse was against gws
Hopefully we didnt use up all our luck and/or favours this week and have some left for the saints next week.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 20 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane at Marvel
Post by: madbluboy on August 02, 2026, 07:55:44 am
A confident Brisbane came for a shootout and were outgunned. Very happy for the boys as it has been a roller coaster for a while now and we have set ourselves up for the end of the season.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 20 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane at Marvel
Post by: Thryleon on August 02, 2026, 08:53:54 am
Brisbane were under manned in defense too. They played hipwood as a defender out of necessity. P I t Gardiner in and wonder how it changes.
Still a fantastic effort.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 20 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane at Marvel
Post by: Lods on August 02, 2026, 09:17:18 am
One of the best four quarter efforts we've seen in recent memory. The opposition were depeleted at the end, but 'resistance was futile' They were overwhelmed. A real 'team' performance on our part...and they looked like they were enjoying it all the way through the game.
If the players were keen to help Fraser make up his mind they definitely gave him a 'thumbs up' ;) :D .
Title: Re: AFL Rd 20 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane at Marvel
Post by: cookie2 on August 02, 2026, 09:22:39 am
A bit late getting home from a day out so missed Q1 but I was thrilled with the rest of the game. We pretty much completely dominated. They tried to turn the tide but we were resolute and completely dominated in the end with our youngsters looking great. The coaching selection panel has much to consider. 😎
Title: Re: AFL Rd 20 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane at Marvel
Post by: PaulP on August 02, 2026, 09:25:03 am
A gentle reminder from Chris Fagan's press conference: based on the form ladder of the last 11 weeks, we are 2nd.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 20 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane at Marvel
Post by: Baggers on August 02, 2026, 10:01:44 am
Over the years if Crippa has 18 touches we lose or struggle to win. Maturity and the emergence of Jagga & Co. to take responsibility and the workload in and around the ball. Love that Frase has mentioned a few times over the weeks that our experienced players and leaders also had to lift.
That's what mental toughness looks like. Ruthless persistence. 'Nice' Carlton has finally gone... RIP, and never come back. Our newbies aint choir boys and they're showing some of the experienced players how it's done. You push one of our bloke's face into the turf when he's on the deck, you take us all on. (You know the situation I'm especially referring to). Walshy is an experienced player who has this and is loving what the newbies are bringing, he'd feel supported.
With reward for effort -- hitting the scoreboard -- comes confidence. Maintains and builds connection from end to end.
6 gls each and every quarter. Holy mackerel.
However, it's now the past... A fantabulous memory. Love how Frase and some players already acknowledged that the Aints will be a completely proposition. Ross will do his homework. And so will we.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 20 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane at Marvel
Post by: shawny on August 02, 2026, 10:59:37 am
Kemp showed all the douters like me wrong and what belief and confidence can do.
Up to 30 goals for the year which for a third forward is a fair result.
Well done Kempy and great for him to hear the fans supporting him.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 20 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane at Marvel
Post by: LP on August 02, 2026, 11:10:45 am
Some reflections on what will be my favourite H&A game for the 2026:
[1] Pitto was murdered in the ruck. But did that stop him? Not in the slightest. He may not have won the taps, but he made Draper's and Fort's ineffective. He often sharked the hit out himself. he had 6 clearances and helped our mids stop Brisbane's avenue to goal. His tackle early in the game really showed that we were on. As the game went on, he started to get more taps himself. Pitto had a big night. We really missed him when he was out. For that matter, Lewis Young showed similar intelligence when it was his turn to ruck. He didn't get a lot of taps, but he sharked more than a few and made it hard to the Brisbane mids to get their hands on the ball. Both guys really stood up tonight.
I don't agree, I think it was Pitto's best game for the season, and probably Young's as well.
Fans think losing the tap is losing the contest, that is far from the truth, it's a misnomer that results from putting too much faith in the stats.
The purpose of the ruck contest is to get the ball heading where you want it to go, where you have planned for it to go, even if that means having the opponent direct it to that general location. You can control the drop zone of the footy, so that it's falls in the place your team is expecting, and you do not need to actually tap the footy to have that happen. You just have to make sure the opponent taps it to where you think they will.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 20 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane at Marvel
Post by: LP on August 02, 2026, 11:14:01 am
Shout-out to Walsh, since he extended his contract he's decided no more being passive, no more being bullied, no more being someone else'ss victim.
Sometimes, you just have to push back, and when you do that the bullies usually fold!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 20 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane at Marvel
Post by: LP on August 02, 2026, 11:18:50 am
I don't want to be negative, it was a great win, but on this result don't read too much into the scoreline.
This time of year is the traditional heavy work-load period for teams embedded in the finals, they usually pound the training track 4 or 5 weeks out and start to taper from about 2 or 3 weeks out, to be cherry-ripe for the first finals.
It's a point of difference between teams struggling to make the finals and teams already there, and it could explain some of the apparent flatness from both Brisbane teams this weekend.
The only thing countering that, is the fact the Lions were quite lucky to defeat us the first time, as Fagan coach pointed out!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 20 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane at Marvel
Post by: Gointocarlton on August 02, 2026, 11:19:23 am
They had close to a full side for mine, those players missing dont make up a 76 pt deficit in my opinion.
Not really, for the last half of the last quarter they basically had no rotations, which was a contributing factor to the blow out.
But in fairness to us the damage was already done early in the 2nd half, we kept up the pressure early in the 3rd when most were expressing doubts about our ability to maintain the pressure and contain the Lions for 4-qtrs.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 20 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane at Marvel
Post by: kruddler on August 02, 2026, 11:29:41 am
It's never as good as it seems. It's never as bad as it seems.
We had a good win. But lets not engrave our names on the cup just yet. Lose to the saints next week and its unlikely we will play finals.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 20 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane at Marvel
Post by: Baggers on August 02, 2026, 12:02:25 pm
Brisbane were under manned in defense too. They played hipwood as a defender out of necessity. P I t Gardiner in and wonder how it changes.
Still a fantastic effort.
They had close to a full side for mine, those players missing dont make up a 76 pt deficit in my opinion.
Bloody oath. Didn't we have blokes called Weitering and Newman missing from our backline ;) Just a bit of experience between those two.
There were a good number of times Brisvegas got on their bikes and almost got their game going... but... we didn't let them get going. We were mentally tougher. We pushed right back, and then some.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 20 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane at Marvel
Post by: LordLucifer on August 02, 2026, 12:30:59 pm
I have just one question ............... where the hell did that come from ??
Title: Re: AFL Rd 20 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane at Marvel
Post by: Sexybronco on August 02, 2026, 12:37:28 pm
I have just one question ............... where the hell did that come from ??
I think Brisbane are probably asking the same thing, they were good early but we were relentless. Injuries didn’t help them but they were never catching us after that 3rd quarter.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 20 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane at Marvel
Post by: Gointocarlton on August 02, 2026, 12:48:38 pm
I have just one question ............... where the hell did that come from ??
I think Brisbane are probably asking the same thing, they were good early but we were relentless. Injuries didn’t help them but they were never catching us after that 3rd quarter.
Their coach seemed to know it was coming based on his presser. They just weren't good enough on the night, it happens.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 20 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane at Marvel
Post by: Bluesers on August 02, 2026, 01:08:16 pm
I have just one question ............... where the hell did that come from ??
Nobody saw that coming, but I think it's something that's been building into this team transformation over the last 10 - 11 weeks. The team has been doing things and playing in a way the Voss was unable to generate. Fraser brings a 'softer' manner, style, approach and flexibility, the players begin to start enjoying their football again, start to regain confidence, play with more freedom through rejigged game plans / ball movement / move a few magnets around / blood some more youth , and suddenly we are seeing a group that is playing with far more confidence, skill levels and overall team spirit. If Fraser can get the team to repeat this in at least 2 of the next 3 weeks then CFC will get him to sign on the dotted line.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 20 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane at Marvel
Post by: bratblue on August 02, 2026, 01:36:25 pm
I have just one question ............... where the hell did that come from ??
I also have a question...............Will that change your lists?
We may have played some of the best football of the year, but we still have major structural issues which we must address. The lack of key position players, the lack of a premiership ruck, adding more leg speed ... They didn't just go away. But some guys have taken their names out of the 'delist or trade' list and have moved in the 'questionable', while some 'questionables' have moved up to being retained. Lewis Young is a prime example. Last year we couldn't give him away, but he has played some of his best football this year. He's never going to be a Jacob Weitering, but he has stood up. George Hewett couldn't get a game early in the year, and his last 7 or 8 weeks have been brilliant. Nick Haynes must go around again after this season. Frankie Evans may not be producing the same heroics he managed at the end of last year, but his hardness, his attack on the ball and his football smarts have made him a favourite. Billy Wilson was at the crossroads, now he is set.
I could go on. We will be improved by Cody Walker, but I will be very interested to see who else we pick up.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 20 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane at Marvel
Post by: laj on August 02, 2026, 02:58:43 pm
I also have a question...............Will that change your lists?
We may have played some of the best football of the year, but we still have major structural issues which we must address. The lack of key position players, the lack of a premiership ruck, adding more leg speed ... They didn't just go away. But some guys have taken their names out of the 'delist or trade' list and have moved in the 'questionable', while some 'questionables' have moved up to being retained. Lewis Young is a prime example. Last year we couldn't give him away, but he has played some of his best football this year. He's never going to be a Jacob Weitering, but he has stood up. George Hewett couldn't get a game early in the year, and his last 7 or 8 weeks have been brilliant. Nick Haynes must go around again after this season. Frankie Evans may not be producing the same heroics he managed at the end of last year, but his hardness, his attack on the ball and his football smarts have made him a favourite. Billy Wilson was at the crossroads, now he is set.
I could go on. We will be improved by Cody Walker, but I will be very interested to see who else we pick up.
As far as Weitering goes I would like to try him forward. Played some decent games there for a while as a skinnier kid until it become a struggle, as happens bring a Carlton forward back then. As a mature player he might be alot better again.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 20 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane at Marvel
Post by: Gointocarlton on August 02, 2026, 03:31:39 pm
We may have played some of the best football of the year, but we still have major structural issues which we must address. The lack of key position players, the lack of a premiership ruck, adding more leg speed ... They didn't just go away. But some guys have taken their names out of the 'delist or trade' list and have moved in the 'questionable', while some 'questionables' have moved up to being retained. Lewis Young is a prime example. Last year we couldn't give him away, but he has played some of his best football this year. He's never going to be a Jacob Weitering, but he has stood up. George Hewett couldn't get a game early in the year, and his last 7 or 8 weeks have been brilliant. Nick Haynes must go around again after this season. Frankie Evans may not be producing the same heroics he managed at the end of last year, but his hardness, his attack on the ball and his football smarts have made him a favourite. Billy Wilson was at the crossroads, now he is set.
I could go on. We will be improved by Cody Walker, but I will be very interested to see who else we pick up.
As far as Weitering goes I would like to try him forward. Played some decent games there for a while as a skinnier kid until it become a struggle, as happens bring a Carlton forward back then. As a mature player he might be alot better again.
Too slow
Title: Re: AFL Rd 20 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane at Marvel
Post by: laj on August 02, 2026, 04:18:08 pm
As far as Weitering goes I would like to try him forward. Played some decent games there for a while as a skinnier kid until it become a struggle, as happens bring a Carlton forward back then. As a mature player he might be alot better again.
Too slow
Those types forward don't have to be that fast, just read it well, and, of course, have the ability to play forward. Read it well and it makes up quite a bit for pace.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 20 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane at Marvel
Post by: Baggers on August 02, 2026, 04:54:03 pm
I have just one question ............... where the hell did that come from ??
And what a great question it is. Talk about totally unexpected! If someone had said to this little black duck before the game that we'd kick 154 pts and win by 76 I'd have offered to sell them the Sydney Opera House.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 20 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane at Marvel
Post by: Gointocarlton on August 02, 2026, 04:57:58 pm
Those types forward don't have to be that fast, just read it well, and, of course, have the ability to play forward. Read it well and it makes up quite a bit for pace.
Nah, he has a Queen Mary turning circle. Dont trust his kicking either, mugs to the backline as the old saying goes. Mirroring Crashes comments, we need a "premiership" KPF and ruckman. As brave as Pitto is, he isn't "the one" and neither is Harry IMO.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 20 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane at Marvel
Post by: DJC on August 02, 2026, 05:38:22 pm
I think that Brisbane’s Achille’s heel is lack of depth. They have three players out injured and Gallop is suspended. We have eight players out injured, excluding Motlop and Carroll but including Lij Hollands, and we pumped them in the Magoos. Their best 25 is very good, after that, not so much.
Hipwood was a liability in defence for them and that reduced Andrews’ effectiveness, as did our forward set up and ball use.
Draper and Fort may have had the better of Pitto, Harry and Young in hitouts and hitouts to advantage, but I thought that Pitto was the best big man on the ground. His work at centre ball ups and stoppages helped stop Brisbane making the most of their hitouts to advantage and we won the centre clearances comfortably and just won stoppage clearances, with Pitto managing three of each. Pitto employed different ruck tactics throughout the game and didn’t give away any rucklotto frees. He also took three marks, two of them contested. One resulted in a goal and one was potentially goal saving deep in defence. That’s what a ruckman should bring.
Kemp’s forward craft has been good but he has been let down by his kicking for goal. What a turnaround with 5.1, a goal assist, and nine score involvements. He also did his bit providing a target when we went down the line.
What really stood out for me was the contribution from our “bottom six”, the whipping boys if you will. Acres, Cottrell, Lord (back to his best), Young, Cerra (great game) and Evans all played their part. The youngsters in Smith, Dean, Byrner, Wilson and Cowan were great and our older newbie in Derksen is playing like a veteran.
Harry’s importance to the team was emphasised by his ten marks, many of them as a marking target down the line, as well as inside 50.
The skipper had a quiet night by his standards but he still cracked in. I was disappointed that he didn’t quite get to be our seventeenth goal scorer, but I suspect that he wasn’t too fussed. It was good to see him enjoying the last quarter of his 250th, as did Haynes.
Our three imports in Hayward, Florent and Ainsworth have made a big difference with their attitude, endeavour and footy smarts and all were important last night.
The players I haven’t mentioned were either good, very good or outstanding; they know who they are!
And it was good to see Fraser giving credit to the assistant coaches for their work since the pre-season.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 20 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane at Marvel
Post by: LordLucifer on August 02, 2026, 05:46:11 pm
I also have a question...............Will that change your lists?
Kruddler partly answered the question for you but the key issue for me is that a leopard doesn't change its spots.
We definitely have 6-8 who have to go and should go (eg. Saad, Fogarty, Boyd etc), however, there are some who have been playing for their career and have played a little out of their skin doing a Jake Stringer impersonation.
We can wax lyrical or pontificate in theory over why this has happened but when it all boils down, the same question keeps coming up, why have some of these players not done this before ??
In the main, we are not talking about the young chaps either, it's the more mature players who were coasting and terribly inconsistent earlier in the year.
I accept that I am "old school" here but I have always had concerns over players who don't dig in when the going gets tough preferring to just take the weekly pay packet without any remorse or commitment.
These are the players who, IMO, will let you down in a cut-throat final, it's their natural fallback position.
For that reason, I still see a handful of other players who should be shown the door anyway bearing in mind that 10-12 changes is the limit in any one year when it comes to list changes.
Factoring in the need to address the onfield deficiencies we currently have should also have a serious bearing on how many goes and who they are.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 20 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane at Marvel
Post by: PaulP on August 02, 2026, 06:05:39 pm
Not really part of this thread, but Davies has stated the club's belief that the list requires "significant work." What exactly he means by that is anyone's guess.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 20 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane at Marvel
Post by: kruddler on August 02, 2026, 06:43:26 pm
Not really part of this thread, but Davies has stated the club's belief that the list requires "significant work." What exactly he means by that is anyone's guess.
Probably a summary of what every on here has been saying.
We know it needs work.
Can they find the parts to fix it? Thats my biggest concern.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 20 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane at Marvel
Post by: LP on August 02, 2026, 06:45:44 pm
I don't think the list needs much, and I've been saying as much for the whole season, we are just one or two pieces off being in a position to enter the Top 8, turning more of those close losses into close wins.
The thing is as we are now seeing, a couple of wins instead of a pile of close losses, and the headspace of the entire list changes. It's not a big deal to get those extra wins, as long as the club doesn't b0rk things up.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 20 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane at Marvel
Post by: shawny on August 02, 2026, 06:51:34 pm
Too many fans think because we have holes we cant compete for a flag.
Go thru the last 10 premiers and theres holes on there list and most will have several areas needing work or no depth in some areas. Nothing is every the finished piece as injuries can ruin the best plans.
You need a consistsnt strong list, playing confidently, mentally strong, with a good coach and then have a decent run with injuries and then get some 50/50 big calls in big moments your way lock straight when it matters and a list with holes will be very hard to topple.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 20 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane at Marvel
Post by: kruddler on August 02, 2026, 06:56:08 pm
The reason the list needs work is because we have holes. Sure, everyone has holes. But, some holes we have no cover for. Imagine we had a good run with injuries, and were like Freo, sitting pretty on top of the ladder. Then we lose a couple players in key areas, which leads to poor results, which leads to more injuries, etc Season gone.
Won't/Can't happen?
Remember when we were 2 games clear in 2nd place a few years ago? Its already happened.....and we are more susceptable to that kind of fall now.
If we lost Harry and lost Kemp......how could we cover them?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 20 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane at Marvel
Post by: LP on August 02, 2026, 07:00:39 pm
You have to pick and choose your battles, and good coaches get the most out of any list.
Fraser did this with our 2s before, just as he is doing it now with the 1s!
These Norbit business corporate types, that want the coach to be a gun marketer, business analyst, salesmen, etc., etc.., can go and get stuffed. All fans want is a football coach, not a spin doctor! ;)
Title: Re: AFL Rd 20 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane at Marvel
Post by: shawny on August 02, 2026, 07:08:42 pm
The reason the list needs work is because we have holes. Sure, everyone has holes. But, some holes we have no cover for. Imagine we had a good run with injuries, and were like Freo, sitting pretty on top of the ladder. Then we lose a couple players in key areas, which leads to poor results, which leads to more injuries, etc Season gone.
Won't/Can't happen?
Remember when we were 2 games clear in 2nd place a few years ago? Its already happened.....and we are more susceptable to that kind of fall now.
If we lost Harry and lost Kemp......how could we cover them?
you said the same about weitering yet 2 kids with under 20 games are covering.
You looking at everything with a negative lens mate. prior to last year you were the complete opposite and you has excuse after excuse lied up for every poor performance - so its hard to take your posts seriously at the moment as you seem to be more concerned with having your opinion being correct above anything else.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 20 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane at Marvel
Post by: kruddler on August 02, 2026, 07:12:52 pm
The reason the list needs work is because we have holes. Sure, everyone has holes. But, some holes we have no cover for. Imagine we had a good run with injuries, and were like Freo, sitting pretty on top of the ladder. Then we lose a couple players in key areas, which leads to poor results, which leads to more injuries, etc Season gone.
Won't/Can't happen?
Remember when we were 2 games clear in 2nd place a few years ago? Its already happened.....and we are more susceptable to that kind of fall now.
If we lost Harry and lost Kemp......how could we cover them?
you said the same about weitering yet 2 kids with under 20 games are covering.
You looking at everything with a negative lens mate. prior to last year you were the complete opposite and you has excuse after excuse lied up for every poor performance - so its hard to take your posts seriously at the moment as you seem to be more concerned with having your opinion being correct above anything else.
If we can find a kid to do up forward what Dean did down back, then i'll be the next man on the moon.
That was a freak occurence which nobody thought was possible. Lightning won't strike twice.
The thing is, right now, we don't have those 2 kids. Sure, we didn't have them last year, but we used 2x 1st rounders to get one. Can't do that this year.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 20 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane at Marvel
Post by: shawny on August 02, 2026, 07:21:48 pm
We have Kemp Harry McGovern as key forwards with haywood as a mid marking forward so imo we are probably a tad tall with that line up - reckon we could get by with 2 talls and using another mid marking forward then either kemp or mcgovern would be the depth key forward.
Its not easy to have quality key positions depth capable of performing impacting just sitting idle playing 2nds footy waiting for their chance.
No list is perfect and sure ours is not but imo its not anywhere near as bad as some make it out to be.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 20 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane at Marvel
Post by: kruddler on August 02, 2026, 07:51:12 pm
We have Kemp Harry McGovern as key forwards with haywood as a mid marking forward so imo we are probably a tad tall with that line up - reckon we could get by with 2 talls and using another mid marking forward then either kemp or mcgovern would be the depth key forward.
Its not easy to have quality key positions depth capable of performing impacting just sitting idle playing 2nds footy waiting for their chance.
No list is perfect and sure ours is not but imo its not anywhere near as bad as some make it out to be.
Gov isn't contracted for next year, and based on some comments a couple weeks ago, is far from guaranteed to get one.
Hayward is playing some time further up the ground.
So again, if we lose Harry and Kemp.....we might not have Gov....and we might hurt our midfield to solve the forward problem.
Not sure how many games that would get you in the win column.....but i'm tipping the 'sack fraser' rumblings would start (unwarranted i might add) if that was the case.
I just want a list that is not built like a house of cards. Take the wrong one out, and it all collapses very quickly.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 20 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane at Marvel
Post by: DJC on August 02, 2026, 08:42:10 pm
This thread should really be about celebrating and dissecting our win, but it’s deteriorated into yet another list management discussion 🙁
As Lods often remarks, wins aren’t good for business here 🙄
Title: Re: AFL Rd 20 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane at Marvel
Post by: dodge on August 02, 2026, 10:20:04 pm
What a game by the boys in blue. Not what I was expecting.
The confidence, ball movement and use was not something we're used to seeing.
The difference seems to be that the speed was planned and thought out, rather than frenetic bash and crash randomness. Also they seem to know when to control the ball.
Our 10yo came out of their room to tell us to be quiet!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 20 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane at Marvel
Post by: Lods on August 02, 2026, 10:22:48 pm
I'm not sure if it's been mentioned, but Jagga's 29 possessions went at 96.6% efficiency. It was 8 kicks to 21 handballs though...still.
Ollie Florent 26 (19 kicks) at 92.3% Cooper Lord 24 (18 kicks) at 95.8%
Title: Re: AFL Rd 20 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane at Marvel
Post by: Professer E on August 02, 2026, 11:31:42 pm
He had plenty of mates but I thought Cooper Lord had a slashing game.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 20 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane at Marvel
Post by: dodge on August 02, 2026, 11:39:01 pm
Q for those at the game - how loud was it when #35 kicked his goal?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 20 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane at Marvel
Post by: DJC on August 03, 2026, 12:47:16 am
Only time you really wanna do that is if you want that player to get the ball because you think he'll turn it over back to you.
Well that backfired then didn't it.
Cooper Lord 24 disposals (18 kicks) at 95.8% :D
They lost by 76 points.
I think everything backfired.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 20 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane at Marvel
Post by: Thryleon on August 03, 2026, 11:00:17 am
Brisbane have across the last few years been really good, but their bad has been REALLY bad and there is a trend that has emerged this year. They are conceding a lot of scores in most matches.
https://afltables.com/afl/seas/2026.html
Round 12 vs GWS 166 to 88 as an example. GWS by 78 points stands out too.
They seem to be downhill skiers based on their win and loss records.
https://afltables.com/afl/seas/2025.html
They are a formidable outfit, and this doesnt take away from our win at all, but its something to consider.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 20 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane at Marvel
Post by: Thryleon on August 03, 2026, 11:00:34 am
We may have played some of the best football of the year, but we still have major structural issues which we must address. The lack of key position players, the lack of a premiership ruck, adding more leg speed ... They didn't just go away. But some guys have taken their names out of the 'delist or trade' list and have moved in the 'questionable', while some 'questionables' have moved up to being retained. Lewis Young is a prime example. Last year we couldn't give him away, but he has played some of his best football this year. He's never going to be a Jacob Weitering, but he has stood up. George Hewett couldn't get a game early in the year, and his last 7 or 8 weeks have been brilliant. Nick Haynes must go around again after this season. Frankie Evans may not be producing the same heroics he managed at the end of last year, but his hardness, his attack on the ball and his football smarts have made him a favourite. Billy Wilson was at the crossroads, now he is set.
I could go on. We will be improved by Cody Walker, but I will be very interested to see who else we pick up.
As far as Weitering goes I would like to try him forward. Played some decent games there for a while as a skinnier kid until it become a struggle, as happens bring a Carlton forward back then. As a mature player he might be alot better again.
When Weiters is fit, he slots straight back into full back and we should be trying Derksen forward. Played several games there for GWS in the VFL for a pretty solid goalkicking return. And he has very good hands as we have seen. He also kicked 5 against Casey Demons earlier this year.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 20 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane at Marvel
Post by: DJC on August 03, 2026, 12:51:31 pm
One thing I noticed about Lord is that he was often by himself with no opponent within cooee 🤔
Only time you really wanna do that is if you want that player to get the ball because you think he'll turn it over back to you.
It seemed to me that Brisbane was trying to get an extra number at the contest and Lord's opponent was often it. It was a tactic that backfired spectacularly with Lord's ability to link up and make very good use of the pill. It probably played him back into form and he'll be full of confidence for the games ahead.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 20 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane at Marvel
Post by: LP on August 03, 2026, 01:48:15 pm
It seemed to me that Brisbane was trying to get an extra number at the contest and Lord's opponent was often it. It was a tactic that backfired spectacularly with Lord's ability to link up and make very good use of the pill. It probably played him back into form and he'll be full of confidence for the games ahead.
Walsh, Hewett and Smith were supreme at getting the ball inside to out, the Lions couldn't stop them, and even when the Lions won the footy at a stoppage we pressured them into turnovers. It's why I thought it was Pitto's best game, Draper only really got away from him once that I can recall and Fort had no impact at all, while Pitto was obstructing the Lions disposal chain at just about every stoppage.
Where a ruck positions themself after the tap is far more important than the tap itself, they can become an obstacle for opponents and a shield for team-mates. In this regard I thought Cripps and Pitto worked very very well together, because the two of them were shutting off a huge section of turf from the Lions Mids.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 20 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane at Marvel
Post by: Lods on August 03, 2026, 05:47:48 pm
When I was in 4th class I did an assignment on Ancient Greece. I was a bit of a Greekophile after seeing a movie called 300 Spartans (not the trash 300 >:( ). I got an A++ for the assignment. (Teacher's pet) :D
Well congratulations to Carlton who have now also recorded an A++ ;) :D
As far as Weitering goes I would like to try him forward. Played some decent games there for a while as a skinnier kid until it become a struggle, as happens bring a Carlton forward back then. As a mature player he might be alot better again.
When Weiters is fit, he slots straight back into full back and we should be trying Derksen forward. Played several games there for GWS in the VFL for a pretty solid goalkicking return. And he has very good hands as we have seen. He also kicked 5 against Casey Demons earlier this year.
Probably right there.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 20 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane at Marvel
Post by: Sexybronco on August 03, 2026, 06:09:55 pm
When Weiters is fit, he slots straight back into full back and we should be trying Derksen forward. Played several games there for GWS in the VFL for a pretty solid goalkicking return. And he has very good hands as we have seen. He also kicked 5 against Casey Demons earlier this year.
Probably right there.
The other question is who goes out, most probably Lewis (depending on match ups) but his last couple of weeks have been very good.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 20 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane at Marvel
Post by: BlackRooster on August 03, 2026, 07:19:25 pm
we lose we complain, we win, i am seeing some complaints / concerns. We won so lets just be happy and by the way we don't need a coach we just need caretaker of this side. Once we get a coach we seem to go backwards. Go Blues :)
Title: Re: AFL Rd 20 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane at Marvel
Post by: Sexybronco on August 03, 2026, 07:26:47 pm
we lose we complain, we win, i am seeing some complaints / concerns. We won so lets just be happy and by the way we don't need a coach we just need caretaker of this side. Once we get a coach we seem to go backwards. Go Blues :)
No complaints here sir 🫡
Title: Re: AFL Rd 20 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane at Marvel
Post by: Gointocarlton on August 03, 2026, 09:36:14 pm
Just before we move onto the next game, crank up the volume and enjoy the future the CFC.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 20 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane at Marvel
Post by: Blue Moon on August 04, 2026, 05:31:43 pm
Didn't think we could win this one but after I read the SEN pre-game preview, I thought we might be in with a chance. It was so poor that I thought people might be missing something. I said this a number of times, if you do the simple things well, hit your targets and kick your goals, it is a different game. I think we are getting better at standing up for ourselves without getting sucked in, I would like our tackling to get a bit better and some of our decision making an d field kicking can improve. Having won ten games means we have had a better year than last year. Big game this week against St.Kilda.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 20 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane at Marvel
Post by: rocky on August 04, 2026, 11:56:37 pm
Have viewed this game twice now and may have another look before Sunday as it really is a joy to watch. Mostly covered by previous posts, but a couple of things that really stood out for me on the lesser lights Pitto's game was unbelievable. Don't think I've seen him ruck as much as he did on Saturday. He was almost Max Gawn like. Didn't dominate in hitouts or HTA but his contested stuff was awesome. Lord has his best game for us this year. Really took on the inside kicks and kicks to advantage. Fantastic. Cottrell also had a much better game than previously Cerra, another who had a best for 2026 To tell you the truth I could go on about each and everyone in the team because it is probably the best overall team effort I've seen in many a year. The big question for me is, if Weitering is available this week who gets left out??? Seriously no one should get dropped. Maybe we could manage someone?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 20 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane at Marvel
Post by: Lods on August 05, 2026, 08:38:17 am
Lord has his best game for us this year. Really took on the inside kicks and kicks to advantage. Fantastic.
Cooper Lord spent four nights in hospital, and had to have sugery for a staph infection earlier this year. That would have knocked him around a bit, and sent his season off the rails. It's good to see him back in the side. A few more games under his belt this year, a good off-season, and we'll see his best in 2027.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 20 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane at Marvel
Post by: Professer E on August 05, 2026, 08:50:51 am
I thought our field kicking was pretty average at times, for example Byrne kept kicking at the leading forwards' feet. They ended up as goals anyway due to great positioning and follow up work at ground level but we weren't always as clean as made out by the media. Hit the leading player, go back and kick what should be an easy goal instead of chaos stuff at deck level, it's about percentages. I think Jagga Smith still needs a lot of work with his kicking and use. A lot of loopy 15 metre stuff that misses, I realise that his modus operandi is accumulating weight of numbers and getting to an open player on the outside but he could develop much higher 'hurt' factor. Contrast that with Lords game, who kicked with precision and smart use and he really opened the Lions up through the corridor.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 20 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane at Marvel
Post by: BluePhantom on August 05, 2026, 10:44:18 am
It's amazing what happens when you kick straight! Kemp normally misses, head go down etc, etc. This game he kicks straight and look what happens. Simples!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 20 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane at Marvel
Post by: Micky0 on August 05, 2026, 11:20:03 am
Those types forward don't have to be that fast, just read it well, and, of course, have the ability to play forward. Read it well and it makes up quite a bit for pace.
Nah, he has a Queen Mary turning circle. Dont trust his kicking either, mugs to the backline as the old saying goes. Mirroring Crashes comments, we need a "premiership" KPF and ruckman. As brave as Pitto is, he isn't "the one" and neither is Harry IMO.
hmm. I think we one of each last year. Cant recall who but I'm sure we did!!