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Title: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: crashlander on August 21, 2026, 06:25:42 pm
Ready for tomorrow afternoon.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: Gointocarlton on August 22, 2026, 04:40:17 pm
Never a doubt
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: laj on August 22, 2026, 04:44:31 pm
When we start winning last round dead rubbers then things are really changing at Carlton.

I didn't see any so I don't know if Freo were switched on fully or not but that is a good win. Finished off 11-2-1.

Wildcard never in doubt. Got there by 2 1/2 games....lol. Assuming GWs get pumped by Adelaide in Adelaide tonight.

Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: kruddler on August 22, 2026, 04:47:58 pm
So in case everyone was wondering......

If Dees beat dogs, we play Pies in the wildcard.
If Crows beat Giants, we will stay in Melbourne and play either the pies (as above) or Dees should the dogs win.

Basically, we want Crows to win more than anything, then the dees dogs game result doesn't matter, we'll be in Melbourne either way.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: LP on August 22, 2026, 05:05:16 pm
It was a good result, I thought Smith, Cripps and Walsh smashed the Freo Mids, Pitto broke even with Jackson across 4-Qtrs, Jackson probably got the better off him around the ground but wasn't able to dominate stoppages. Our D50 clearly got the better of the Freo forwards.

When you think about the way we are moving the ball, the relative speed of our lot versus Freo, it's a terrific result, Freo won't be happy, you don't flirt with form at this time of year and they should have been favored by the fastest playing surface in the AFL.

Ainsworth's best game?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: Lods on August 22, 2026, 05:06:06 pm
One of the features of both our wins over Brisbane and today is the evenness of the performance.

Today
Q1 4 Goals
Q2 4 Goals
Q3 4 Goals
Q4 6 Goals

Looks like we can play 4 quarters. ;)  :D
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: LP on August 22, 2026, 05:14:02 pm
One of the features of both our wins over Brisbane and today is the evenness of the performance.

Today
Q1 4 Goals
Q2 4 Goals
Q3 4 Goals
Q4 6 Goals

Looks like we can play 4 quarters. ;)  :D
Especially after the slow start.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: Micky0 on August 22, 2026, 05:15:35 pm
One of the features of both our wins over Brisbane and today is the evenness of the performance.

Today
Q1 4 Goals
Q2 4 Goals
Q3 4 Goals
Q4 6 Goals

Looks like we can play 4 quarters. ;)  :D
Unbelievable
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: DJC on August 22, 2026, 05:17:13 pm
Congratulations to Pitto on his 100 game milestone.  It's been a hard slog but he got there ... and always with a smile on his face.

I think that it's time to concede that the new ruck rules, as flawed as they may be, haven't disadvantaged Pitto and he's probably playing the best footy of his career.

Well done Pitto for 100 games and a great game today 👏
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: LP on August 22, 2026, 05:20:37 pm
I think that it's time to concede that the new ruck rules, as flawed as they may be, haven't disadvanteaged Pitto and he's probably playing the best footy of his career.
He has adapted well, deserves a lot of kudos, and I'd suggest he has been very well coached because we are seeing now that even if he is beaten to the tap he's capable of creating a clearance by controlling the space around the contest, and that is far far more important.

Getting beaten in taps doesn't mean being beaten in the contest.

He's got Fraser and Kreuzer to feed off, should we expect any less from our rucks?

Even Young and Harry are looking better, both of them compete, especially in F50 and then immediately spread to become a target. In the past they would compete then stand watching.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: crashlander on August 22, 2026, 06:13:17 pm
[1] In the best players, Freo named Jackson as their best. Are they smoking some illegal over there? Pitto had 17 possessions, compared to Jackson's 14. Pitto had 7 clearances to Jackson's 4. Pitto had much more effect on the game than Jackson did: thanks to Pitto, our mids had huge days! Did these idiots watch the game? It doesn't look like it.

[2] The Umpiring:
I really don't want to go there, but we really do have to start complaining. I just don't understand why frees to us were not paid, when similar incidents were paid the other way. It just doesn't make sense!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: RiverRat on August 22, 2026, 06:24:35 pm
I think that it's time to concede that the new ruck rules, as flawed as they may be, haven't disadvanteaged Pitto and he's probably playing the best footy of his career.
He has adapted well, deserves a lot of kudos, and I'd suggest he has been very well coached because we are seeing now that even if he is beaten to the tap he's capable of creating a clearance by controlling the space around the contest, and that is far far more important.

Getting beaten in taps doesn't mean being beaten in the contest.

He's got Fraser and Kreuzer to feed off, should we expect any less from our rucks?

Even Young and Harry are looking better, both of them compete, especially in F50 and then immediately spread to become a target. In the past they would compete then stand watching.

Credit to Pitto for adapting to the new ruck rules, which severely disadvantaged him earlier in the year.

Credit to Lewis Young for his development into something resembling a ruckman and playing better football than he has shown since his initial season with the club - I guess playing second fiddle to Weitering as a defender severely restricted his capabilities.

Speaking of Weitering, I noticed that he seemed to be limping at various times during the game and spent all or most of the final quarter on the bench - hope he is okay for next week.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: RiverRat on August 22, 2026, 06:27:39 pm
Hollands showed great effort but still turned the ball over on several occasions - I can't imagine he will retain a place in the team now that Acres has returned to form.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: laj on August 22, 2026, 07:17:55 pm
Fun fact from round 10 to now we finish on top of the ladder.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: shawny on August 22, 2026, 08:19:03 pm
Fun fact from round 10 to now we finish on top of the ladder.

Yep cant help but wonder what would have happened if we made the change end of last year. i know its a big if but the change in performance is amazing and clear we needed a new coach. The long down the long contested play was like driving a new car with the handbrake on.

The keep possession short game has completely transformed this team.

The form team of the finals and no one will want to play us and the multiple forward targets is unpredictable and GW fingerprints on the list changes are strikingly similar to what he did at pies and we all know how that went.

who would have predicted this at 1-8.

amazing.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: Sexybronco on August 22, 2026, 08:33:32 pm
Fun fact from round 10 to now we finish on top of the ladder.

Yep cant help but wonder what would have happened if we made the change end of last year. i know its a big if but the change in performance is amazing and clear we needed a new coach. The long down the long contested play was like driving a new car with the handbrake on.

The keep possession short game has completely transformed this team.

The form team of the finals and no one will want to play us and the multiple forward targets is unpredictable and GW fingerprints on the list changes are strikingly similar to what he did at pies and we all know how that went.

who would have predicted this at 1-8.

amazing.
Had we made the change earlier it would be unlikely that Fraser would be our coach given he needed the interim role to make him comfortable putting his hand up. Don’t know who our coach would have been let alone what we would have achieved…
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: Thryleon on August 22, 2026, 10:08:49 pm
If my grandmother had testicle she'd be my grandfather.

Ultimately, we cant know what the alternative universe yields.  Whats done is done.  Maybe our pea hearts could have held on against Melbourne, Collingwood, and North Melbourne and maybe we would have been eyeing a top 4 finish.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: townsendcalling on August 22, 2026, 10:19:41 pm

He's exceptionally strong overhead, very accurate in from of the sticks (like Frankie and Haywood) and has the looks and determination of Jimmy Buckley. Another N Austin great pickup!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: Lods on August 22, 2026, 11:01:35 pm
Yep
Let's not turn this into another coach discussion.
There's a thread for that.
Let's keep the focus on the game today.
Lot's of positives.

Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: Gointocarlton on August 22, 2026, 11:12:30 pm
A very polished performance to be honest. Once we took the lead we were never headed, loved it.
Freo are a mighty side and perhaps with Amiss in the side they could have stretched our defence, or not. Watching them live though, they dont like the tough stuff inside and prefer to use the outside and use their speed and skill. We murdered them in the clinches, our contested brand stands up against all comers. We have added the outside game and ball control element now which is extremely pleasing. As commentators  and players are saying, it's a fun game to play and equally fun to watch.
Evans and Ainsworth were mighty today, I'll echo TC's comment about Banger being strong overhead, I said that to a bloke next to me at the footy today. Apart of the opening 15 mins of the game, our mids were on top for the rest of the day. Ive said before and I'll say it again, when my boy Lewis plays, we are a better and well structured side. He cant kick for goal to save himself but he adds much more to the side, the ultimate soldier. I thought our tackling was ferocious and relentless today, our intent was clear,  thats the gold standard.
A fun day at the footy today.
Go Blues.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: LP on August 23, 2026, 04:53:25 am
Yep cant help but wonder what would have happened if we made the change end of last year
It wouldn't have been Fraser back then!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: Lods on August 23, 2026, 07:17:20 am
One of the pleasing aspects of the last half of the year is that some players who "weren't going to make it" have....suddenly made it.
They look comfortable and are getting more comfortable each week.
The question is whether they can build on that next year.

'Poor' trade choices based on early season form are suddenly looking like bargain pick-ups.
It sometimes takes some time and adaptation to fit into a role, especially after a change of club.

A player may get thrown around in multiple positions and then suddenly find a spot that clicks.
That's what makes early judgements a bit dubious, and why we shouldn't be writing off some of our VFL youngsters too quickly.

We have been a bit lucky with one aspect, and that is our injury situation has been much improved on 2024-2025.
That's a big help in getting some consistency in terms of team make-up.
With that consistency comes familiarity under match conditions.
That awareness and understanding of your teammates is vital in forming a strong combination.
Supporting one another means the load is shared and everyone looks a bit better.

What happens next is a bit of unknown.
We only have to have one off week and it'll be game over for '26
But even if it does go off the rails, I suspect that for most supporters there is a feeling that 2026 wasn't a bad year after all.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: Gointocarlton on August 23, 2026, 08:42:23 am
Yep cant help but wonder what would have happened if we made the change end of last year
It wouldn't have been Fraser back then!
Why not? Do you think he wouldn't have applied? Remember Wright's intent was getting him to our club, he would have invited him to interview if that were the case last year.  Listen to the grab of Simmo explain Fraser's presentation, very little of it had anything to do with the results as interim. The result most likely would have been the same. The man has been building this for 15 years not the last 6 months.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: Gointocarlton on August 23, 2026, 09:22:20 am
'Poor' trade choices based on early season form are suddenly looking like bargain pick-ups.
It sometimes takes some time and adaptation to fit into a role, especially after a change of club.

E.g O Florent. He has been a ball tearing recruit as it turns out, equally as import as Ainsworth and Hayward. Since finding his feet at the club, Ollie has been dynamite.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: kruddler on August 23, 2026, 09:31:21 am
Unpopular opinion.

What has florent bought that we couldnt get from either saad or charleson?

Florents knock is his kicking.
Saads knock is his kicking.
Charleson has been borderline getting a game a but this year. Without florent, he would most likely got a gig by now.

Florent has been solid without being spectacular, he didn't come cheap though. Could we do without him?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: tonyo on August 23, 2026, 09:39:12 am
Unpopular opinion.

What has florent bought that we couldnt get from either saad or charleson?

Florents knock is his kicking.
Saads knock is his kicking.
Charleson has been borderline getting a game a but this year. Without florent, he would most likely got a gig by now.

Florent has been solid without being spectacular, he didn't come cheap though. Could we do without him?
Florent makes quick decisions and goes, and most importantly, he breaks lines and links up with others.

I think it is the running play of Florent and Wilson that has revolutionised our game style.  Once those two start running, Cerra, Walsh, Smith, Cripps et al get on their bike as well and the wave commences.  Our style is now unrecognisable compared to the dump kick to the wing that was the only way we could get out of D50 earlier this year.  I should add Cerra's amazing improvement in kicking as well.

I thought Wilson and Florent were on the podium for BOG yesterday.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: kruddler on August 23, 2026, 10:12:12 am
Unpopular opinion.

What has florent bought that we couldnt get from either saad or charleson?

Florents knock is his kicking.
Saads knock is his kicking.
Charleson has been borderline getting a game a but this year. Without florent, he would most likely got a gig by now.

Florent has been solid without being spectacular, he didn't come cheap though. Could we do without him?
Florent makes quick decisions and goes, and most importantly, he breaks lines and links up with others.

I think it is the running play of Florent and Wilson that has revolutionised our game style.  Once those two start running, Cerra, Walsh, Smith, Cripps et al get on their bike as well and the wave commences.  Our style is now unrecognisable compared to the dump kick to the wing that was the only way we could get out of D50 earlier this year.  I should add Cerra's amazing improvement in kicking as well.

I thought Wilson and Florent were on the podium for BOG yesterday.

Not saying i disagree, but do we not have 2 other options who have essentially not been used this year?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: tex on August 23, 2026, 10:13:49 am

Florent makes quick decisions and goes, and most importantly, he breaks lines and links up with others.

I think it is the running play of Florent and Wilson that has revolutionised our game style.  Once those two start running, Cerra, Walsh, Smith, Cripps et al get on their bike as well and the wave commences.  Our style is now unrecognisable compared to the dump kick to the wing that was the only way we could get out of D50 earlier this year.  I should add Cerra's amazing improvement in kicking as well.

I thought Wilson and Florent were on the podium for BOG yesterday.

Not saying i disagree, but do we not have 2 other options who have essentially not been used this year?
Yeah and Saad is coming to the end of his career. You harp on about not doing any planning for the future and then we actually recruit one in Florent and he’s been a jet and you question it??
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: kruddler on August 23, 2026, 10:18:01 am


Not saying i disagree, but do we not have 2 other options who have essentially not been used this year?
Yeah and Saad is coming to the end of his career. You harp on about not doing any planning for the future and then we actually recruit one in Florent and he’s been a jet and you question it??

Charleson is on the list ready to go but we havent played him.

Point I'm making is.
Is florent taking the spot of a kid....charleson.
If the kid doesnt work out, weve got saad as senior backup.

Technically weve also got ollie hollands as back up currently as well. He will most likely leave as a result not getting a game.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: Micky0 on August 23, 2026, 10:42:03 am
Ive seen some Mature smart play from Florent which made me see his value to us. I loved Saad but he is not as he was and Charleson wouldnt have the calm head yet of Florent.

Love all the new recruits, didnt think Ainsworth was great last week but by accounts he was excellent this week? Hayward is just chefs kiss and all 3 boys game play is confident and assured which i think we were lacking.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: Thryleon on August 23, 2026, 10:52:58 am
Florent is the sort of player who has many facets to his game, and his contribution is imho invaluable around the back of stoppage.  Watch he polices the back of it, and often is the second posession at the source using it well.

Charleson might be good enough, but there is a leadership, experience and multi faceted component to his play. 

A lot of his knockers have egg on their face. There was no shame not being able to get a gig at sydney. They'd love to him right now.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: tex on August 23, 2026, 10:54:20 am
A few years ago we had:
Lachie Fogarty
Jack Martin
Jesse Motlop
Cotrell
Owies

As our small forwards

Now we have
Hayward
Byrne
Evans
Ainsworth

So much more fight in our new group. Tbh Motlop will be flat out in the reserves next year.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: Sexybronco on August 23, 2026, 11:04:29 am
Unpopular opinion.

What has florent bought that we couldnt get from either saad or charleson?

Florents knock is his kicking.
Saads knock is his kicking.
Charleson has been borderline getting a game a but this year. Without florent, he would most likely got a gig by now.

Florent has been solid without being spectacular, he didn't come cheap though. Could we do without him?
Florent came for a future 3rd round pick so in trade terms didn't cost a lot. His kicking is miles ahead of Saad IMO who is at the tail end of his career and has brought an additional element of composure to the team, he’s been an absolute revelation.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: Professer E on August 23, 2026, 11:40:18 am
Wasn't so long ago that Lods and I copped a lot of heat for even mentioning Wilson as a potential senior player.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: PaulP on August 23, 2026, 11:53:02 am
Florent came for a future 3rd round pick so in trade terms didn't cost a lot. His kicking is miles ahead of Saad IMO who is at the tail end of his career and has brought an additional element of composure to the team, he’s been an absolute revelation.

Ollie Florent finished top 10 in the Swans B+F inclusive from 2020-24, in direct competition with a bunch of A graders. And he plays a very high percentage of game time as well. I'm guessing we will never know what happened in the back end of 2025, and even then he played 16 games. A great pick up IMO.


Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: kruddler on August 23, 2026, 12:29:08 pm
A few years ago we had:
Lachie Fogarty
Jack Martin
Jesse Motlop
Cotrell
Owies

As our small forwards

Now we have
Hayward
Byrne
Evans
Ainsworth

So much more fight in our new group. Tbh Motlop will be flat out in the reserves next year.

Motlop is hard done by.

He got starved up forward, but when he got time in the middle he lifted his game.
Similar to Ainsworth, Evans and Hayward who all get time up around the middle.

Jack Martin has kicked more goals for the cats this year than he ever did with us. 22 from 17 games thus far. If we knew how to use him (and not break him) he'd still be worthy of a gig.

Fogarty was 'Mr Pressure', that i didn't rate because he made no impact on the scoreboard. Now we have others who have pressure AND can make an impact on the scoreboard, no surprises there.

Owies managed 33 goals for us in his final season and should not be undervalued either.

Cottrell is still playing, just more up the ground.

Hayward is the big difference maker from the changes.....and we all knew that beforehand.

I'd take the new group over the old group, but i don't think its as dominant as people make out.
If we had Charlie there this year, the current group wouldn't look 'as good' because Charlie would get all the focus.

There was many an argument about 'replacing charlie' in the off-season. Goal wise, you will always get more from others to help cover the loss somewhat, my main issue was having a genuine target who could be your focal point.
Have a look at how the VFL team went on the weekend and our entries inside 50 went to the opposition more than us because we tried to play Moir as a key forward simply because of lack of other options.

Its similar to when Fev left.
We 'replaced him' with small forwards who got more goals as a result.
In the semi final when we went deep to the goal square in an attempt to win the game.....we had Walker (who deserved a free!) as our target. If we had Fev there (or a genuine KPF) then we win that game and are off to the prelim.
Its not just about replacing goals of an outgoing coleman medalist, its about replacing a team structure.

Our boys have picked up the slack, but are we a more dangerous forward line? Not sure about that.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: madbluboy on August 23, 2026, 12:51:36 pm
Jack Martin won us that first final against Sydney in 2023.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: DJC on August 23, 2026, 12:57:43 pm
[1] In the best players, Freo named Jackson as their best. Are they smoking some illegal over there? Pitto had 17 possessions, compared to Jackson's 14. Pitto had 7 clearances to Jackson's 4. Pitto had much more effect on the game than Jackson did: thanks to Pitto, our mids had huge days! Did these idiots watch the game? It doesn't look like it.

The way I see it is that Jackson was among Freo's best five or six players but not their best by some margin.  Pitto played very well, had the better of Jackson and Cox, and had a great influence on the game, but I couldn't squeeze him into my best seven or eight players. I think that shows how much better we were on the day.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: madbluboy on August 23, 2026, 01:40:13 pm
I thought Jackson and Pittonet had an even battle.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: RiverRat on August 23, 2026, 02:27:58 pm
Florent is the sort of player who has many facets to his game, and his contribution is imho invaluable around the back of stoppage.  Watch he polices the back of it, and often is the second posession at the source using it well.

Charleson might be good enough, but there is a leadership, experience and multi faceted component to his play. 

A lot of his knockers have egg on their face. There was no shame not being able to get a gig at sydney. They'd love to him right now.
Florent serves a similar role to how Saad used to carry the ball through the lines, but he is much more poised because he does not always run to the left to set up a left foot kick, which cuts down the attacking options, plus he is a more reliable kick and uses effective hand passes to bring teammates along for the ride.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: shawny on August 23, 2026, 02:34:08 pm
Florent is the sort of player who has many facets to his game, and his contribution is imho invaluable around the back of stoppage.  Watch he polices the back of it, and often is the second posession at the source using it well.

Charleson might be good enough, but there is a leadership, experience and multi faceted component to his play. 

A lot of his knockers have egg on their face. There was no shame not being able to get a gig at sydney. They'd love to him right now.
Florent serves a similar role to how Saad used to carry the ball through the lines, but he is much more poised because he does not always run to the left to set up a left foot kick, which cuts down the attacking options, plus he is a more reliable kick and uses effective hand passes to bring teammates along for the ride.


absolutely spot on. 

Saad is so predictable and when his ball use dropped off he become a liability.

The changes made from senior coach to list changes revolved around keeping possession and you can only execute that plan if you have decent ball users and decision makers and players like Saad, ollie hollands cant do it regularly enough and wont be there come seasons end. 



Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: LP on August 23, 2026, 02:46:55 pm

Saad is so predictable and when his ball use dropped off he become a liability.
He is predictable, but that can work both ways, against him from a opposition perspective and for him from the perspective of our forwards.

I'd assert that when he is / was fit, agile and confident his ball use was efficient enough that any benefit to the opposition of being predictable was diminished. Knowing what he is going to do but not stopping it is embarrassing. He could run and spread, create space, just as Daicos, Pendles, Butters and now Smith can run, spread and create space. Either through injury or age he's lost a bit, we saw a VFL game a couple of weeks back that was him at his best, but it's few and far between now.

If had one criticism, it was too many long bombs, they are good to buy the defense time to setup, but not much use for scoring. It's like the soccer goalkeeper who always launches the pill to the other end of the ground, it almost never results in a score, it's a defensive move not an attacking move.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: Lods on August 23, 2026, 03:19:38 pm
Saad is a shadow of his best.

Anyone doubting the worth of Florent should probably grab a look at him working on a specific drill with Billy Wilson in the pre-season.
He was instructing and getting him to repeat it over and over.
Billy was taking it all on board.
I wouldn't be surprised if Florent wasn't a big contributor to Wilson's development.
That's the value of picking up an experienced player like Florent. They can be another assistant with their knowledge an experience.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: Baggers on August 23, 2026, 03:40:06 pm
Good to see Weiters making obvious efforts to adapt his usual game to the offensive nuances required in how our defense operates now.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: Shakin77 on August 23, 2026, 03:45:05 pm
A few years ago we had:
Lachie Fogarty
Jack Martin
Jesse Motlop
Cotrell
Owies

As our small forwards

Now we have
Hayward
Byrne
Evans
Ainsworth

So much more fight in our new group. Tbh Motlop will be flat out in the reserves next year.


I agree.   Our small forwards are much more dangerous and the likes of Ainsworth and Hayward are very good kicks.

However I think they might be good for Motlop.    He would be the 4th Banana in that group.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: madbluboy on August 23, 2026, 03:47:51 pm
Happy with Florent but calm down Saad was All Australian.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: shawny on August 23, 2026, 03:54:00 pm
Happy with Florent but calm down Saad was All Australian.

exactly was. a long time ago.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: Blue Moon on August 23, 2026, 04:13:17 pm
It was a pretty good performance  not as good as Brisbane, but pretty good. To me it seemed like Freo are very dependent on their good players where as we seemed to have contributors right across the ground, which is  unusual for us. I don't understand the ruck rules but Pitto seems to have got his head around them now and played a very good game against a very good opponent.
Ollie Hollands run down tackle is why I have always liked him, but the kick after explains some of the criticism he receives. There is no reason why we can't go deep into September just stick to the method.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: kruddler on August 23, 2026, 04:15:47 pm
Happy with Florent but calm down Saad was All Australian.

exactly was. a long time ago.

Has he forgotten how to play?

As i said, i'm not suggesting he is better than Florent.
I'm not suggesting Charleson is better than Florent......or Ollie Hollands.

But given the contract that we gave Florent....years and $'s....does he offer us that much more than the others. Could that money be better used elsewhere given his age on top of that?

Put it this way.....Recruiting someone like Marshall would improve our side (like Florent) but is there a long term benefit to that?
Would that recruitment simply keep Reidy and Riley from getting a game.....potentially Pittonet as well.....to the point where another club could poach him leaving us worse off long term.
Similar to what is happening with Ollie Hollands now, asking him to look elsewhere.
So its possible to be a good addition, that is not really in our best interests long term.

Could we potentially have banked the Florent $'s and throw them at King to really fill a hole? Or perhaps Butters who has more football left.


Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: LP on August 23, 2026, 04:27:27 pm
Good to see Weiters making obvious efforts to adapt his usual game to the offensive nuances required in how our defense operates now.
Short memory @Baggers‍.

Forgive me if I am wrong, but wasn't it about this time last year Weiters was lauded for an attacking kick out of D50 that secured us a late win? I think at the time the media describe it as either a kick nobody else was prepared to take on, or nobody else in D50 was capable of executing.

He is often the person who distributes the footy from the HBF, the one of a few with the responsibility for that type of kick, now in addition to Newman he has someone like Florent to share it with!

What stuns me is how people manage to see things so differently subject to the outcome, a win versus a loss. The most important type of analysis in sport is the analysis delivered cold!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: pew2 on August 23, 2026, 04:37:54 pm
all bullcrap  games real stuff starts v melb  u think about it  freo resting players and nothing to play 4 must mean something
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: Baggers on August 23, 2026, 04:40:17 pm
Good to see Weiters making obvious efforts to adapt his usual game to the offensive nuances required in how our defense operates now.
Short memory @Baggers‍.

Forgive me if I am wrong, but wasn't it about this time last year Weiters was lauded for an attacking kick out of D50 that secured us a late win? I think at the time the media describe it as either a kick nobody else was prepared to take on, or nobody else in D50 was capable of executing.

He is often the person who distributes the footy from the HBF, the one of a few with the responsibility for that type of kick, now in addition to Newman he has someone like Florent to share it with!

What stuns me is how people manage to see things so differently subject to the outcome, a win versus a loss. The most important type of analysis in sport is the analysis delivered cold!

No short memory, Spotted One. I'm not talking about absolutes but nuances in Weiters' game, which he showed yesterday. Observations are not necessarily criticisms. Simply, an observation. Weiters is no different to everyone on our list in terms of buying into the Frase game-plan, just some adapt quicker than others - again, not a criticism simply an understanding that we are a work in progress with still a fair way to go.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: Gointocarlton on August 23, 2026, 04:55:53 pm
all bullcrap  games real stuff starts v melb  u think about it  freo resting players and nothing to play 4 must mean something
Were you at the game?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: madbluboy on August 23, 2026, 04:59:49 pm
all bullcrap  games real stuff starts v melb  u think about it  freo resting players and nothing to play 4 must mean something
Were you at the game?

I thought it was a tough, high pressure game unlike our win over the Lions.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: Thryleon on August 23, 2026, 05:00:02 pm


exactly was. a long time ago.

Has he forgotten how to play?

As i said, i'm not suggesting he is better than Florent.
I'm not suggesting Charleson is better than Florent......or Ollie Hollands.

But given the contract that we gave Florent....years and $'s....does he offer us that much more than the others. Could that money be better used elsewhere given his age on top of that?

Put it this way.....Recruiting someone like Marshall would improve our side (like Florent) but is there a long term benefit to that?
Would that recruitment simply keep Reidy and Riley from getting a game.....potentially Pittonet as well.....to the point where another club could poach him leaving us worse off long term.
Similar to what is happening with Ollie Hollands now, asking him to look elsewhere.
So its possible to be a good addition, that is not really in our best interests long term.

Could we potentially have banked the Florent $'s and throw them at King to really fill a hole? Or perhaps Butters who has more football left.



in one word, Yes.  Yes he does.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: LP on August 23, 2026, 05:06:25 pm
Florent has clearly proven all the critics wrong, no doubt about it, the critics including some high-profile media types, should be going up to him cap in hand and begging for forgiveness.

But they won't, they will wait for him to have a stumble and then they claim that he was never any good! ;)
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: DJC on August 23, 2026, 05:50:17 pm
Unpopular opinion.

What has florent bought that we couldnt get from either saad or charleson?

Florents knock is his kicking.
Saads knock is his kicking.
Charleson has been borderline getting a game a but this year. Without florent, he would most likely got a gig by now.

Florent has been solid without being spectacular, he didn't come cheap though. Could we do without him?

What Ollie Florent brings to our club is 184 games of experience playing for one of the most consistent, successful clubs of the 21st century.  He is used to winning, being part of a winning team, and doing the hard work necessary for team success.  He is a gregarious, outgoing personality who energises those around him and enjoys mentoring younger players.

He is a smart and instinctive footballer who generally makes good decisions and executes well.  I suspect that his treatment by Dean Cox last season, and being cut adrift by the Swans, served as extra motivation and, as far as statistics go, this is by far the best season of his career.  For example, his previous best metres gained average was 370 in 2024.  He is averaging 441 metres gained this season.

I’m not sure where the knock on Florent’s kicking came from; I think the term “turnover merchant” was bandied about and it simply is wrong.  His kicking efficiency this season is 75% and that’s very good for a player who is often under extreme pressure – although kicking in duties probably helps a bit.

Why did we need Ollie Florent when we have Adam Saad, Jordan Boyd, Harry Charleson, Zac Williams, Ollie Hollands, Rob Monahan and the Camporeale twins all capable of playing halfback and not being able command a spot in the senior team?  Part of the answer lies in the fact that Adam Cerra was the preferred replacement for Nic Newman.  Then there’s the fact that, at this stage of their respective careers, Florent is playing much better football, is a hardened, mature body, and combines better with our best available team in executing the game style we’ve chosen to use.  What does it matter if Saad and Charleson can’t get a game? Nothing at all because were a better team with Florent in the mix and they had their chance when Newey went down..

Getting Florent for a future third-rounder was a bargain basement price and bringing him on board with his best mate was very astute list management. 
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: pertz on August 23, 2026, 06:16:20 pm
Unpopular opinion.

What has florent bought that we couldnt get from either saad or charleson?

Florents knock is his kicking.
Saads knock is his kicking.
Charleson has been borderline getting a game a but this year. Without florent, he would most likely got a gig by now.

Florent has been solid without being spectacular, he didn't come cheap though. Could we do without him?
Florent came for a future 3rd round pick so in trade terms didn't cost a lot. His kicking is miles ahead of Saad IMO who is at the tail end of his career and has brought an additional element of composure to the team, he’s been an absolute revelation.
And he's tough and runs in straight lines rather than at right angles or in circles lije Saad
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: kruddler on August 23, 2026, 06:26:50 pm
I worry about the comprehension of some people. I really do.

I'm not shooting bambi.

I'm asking a question.

I'm not saying Florent hasn't done everything we've asked of him.
I'm not saying Florent doesn't deserve a spot in our side.

I've had Florent in my best 23 since before the season started.

What i am asking is.....given the position he is playing, and given the other players playing a similar position in the 2's...and given how little cover we have in other areas.....could his list spot (and contract $'s) be better spent elsewhere?

Its the same logic i had when we recruited Fantasia. I understood why we got him, the experience, the energy levels etc....but at the end of the day, did our overall list structure suffer as a result?

You've gotta sacrifice something to get something. People around here don't want to sacrifice anything, but still want everything.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: Lods on August 23, 2026, 06:32:54 pm
I think a lot of people are answering your question with a...

"Yes, it was well worth it." ;)
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: kruddler on August 23, 2026, 06:51:36 pm
I think a lot of people are answering your question with a...

"Yes, it was well worth it." ;)

Sorta.
Its a Yes, because he is 'not bad and has positive traits'.
I never said he wasn't, and acknowledge that.

Let me pose this question to you.

Was it good for Melbourne to recruit Grundy?
Grundy is good, perhaps the 2nd best ruck in the game.
Did it improve Melbourne though?
Could they have used his $'s better elsewhere??
12 months later, the question was answered for all of us.
Not a knock on Grundy in all of that. Just not the best fit at the time....and Dees didn't benefit from it.

Same same, but different.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: Thryleon on August 23, 2026, 06:53:35 pm
I think a lot of people are answering your question with a...

"Yes, it was well worth it." ;)

Sorta.
Its a Yes, because he is 'not bad and has positive traits'.
I never said he wasn't, and acknowledge that.

Let me pose this question to you.

Was it goof for Melbourne to recruit Grundy?
Grundy is good, perhaps the 2nd best ruck in the game.
Did it improve Melbourne though?
Could they have used his $'s better elsewhere??
12 months later answered the question was answered for all of us.
Not a knock on Grundy in all of that. Just not the best fit at the time....and Dees didn't benefit from it.

Same same, but different.

You asked your question, you got answers you dont like, and accepting that people dont share your opinion is the next logical step.

Doubling down to try and convince people because they havent considered your point of view is not the appropriate response, its an agreement to disagree.

Grundy at Melbourne is the worst example you could have thought of.  Here's one, does jack martin give geelong anything mannagh doesnt?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: kruddler on August 23, 2026, 06:57:04 pm


Sorta.
Its a Yes, because he is 'not bad and has positive traits'.
I never said he wasn't, and acknowledge that.

Let me pose this question to you.

Was it goof for Melbourne to recruit Grundy?
Grundy is good, perhaps the 2nd best ruck in the game.
Did it improve Melbourne though?
Could they have used his $'s better elsewhere??
12 months later answered the question was answered for all of us.
Not a knock on Grundy in all of that. Just not the best fit at the time....and Dees didn't benefit from it.

Same same, but different.

You asked your question, you got answers you dont like, and accepting that people dont share your opinion is the next logical step.

Doubling down to try and convince people because they havent considered your point of view is not the appropriate response, its an agreement to disagree.

As i said above, its not about me liking it or not, its about how people are justifying it, its shows a misunderstanding of the question, or its intent.

People think i'm attacking Florent and they are defending him. You don't need to defend him, he's not under attack.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: Thryleon on August 23, 2026, 07:02:42 pm


You asked your question, you got answers you dont like, and accepting that people dont share your opinion is the next logical step.

Doubling down to try and convince people because they havent considered your point of view is not the appropriate response, its an agreement to disagree.

As i said above, its not about me liking it or not, its about how people are justifying it, its shows a misunderstanding of the question, or its intent.

People think i'm attacking Florent and they are defending him. You don't need to defend him, he's not under attack.
actually, no, i think you think we could have recruited someone more useful, but personally i think youre pigeon holing florent as he can play many roles. 

His experience, leadership, ans team first ethos, and cultural impact shouldn't be underestimated.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: frostydog on August 23, 2026, 07:20:30 pm
Just on Florent. Quote below from Billy Wilson after he signed recent contract extension.

"There’s a lot to get better at, and a lot of teammates that have helped. Guys like Ollie Florent - playing alongside him in a similar role, he’s been massive during my time in the team. He’s my locker buddy as well and he’s been great for me on game day, with things like positioning and reviewing our games."

This is the type of leadership fans don't get to see
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: Lods on August 23, 2026, 07:30:56 pm
Just on Florent. Quote below from Billy Wilson after he signed recent contract extension.

"There’s a lot to get better at, and a lot of teammates that have helped. Guys like Ollie Florent - playing alongside him in a similar role, he’s been massive during my time in the team. He’s my locker buddy as well and he’s been great for me on game day, with things like positioning and reviewing our games."

This is the type of leadership fans don't get to see

That kind of backs up the thing I was saying about Florent and Wilson pre-season. They obviously formed a bond quickly.
I'd guess Wilson isn't the ony player benefitting from the experience of Hayward, Florent and Ainsworth.
It's the type of thing we're not always privy to, but like the 1% plays and pressure acts it gets noticed internally.
I'd suspect the club are more than happy with the decision to bring Florent into the fold.
He makes us better as a team.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: DJC on August 23, 2026, 07:36:38 pm
I worry about the comprehension of some people. I really do.

I'm not shooting bambi.

I'm asking a question.

I'm not saying Florent hasn't done everything we've asked of him.
I'm not saying Florent doesn't deserve a spot in our side.

I've had Florent in my best 23 since before the season started.

What i am asking is.....given the position he is playing, and given the other players playing a similar position in the 2's...and given how little cover we have in other areas.....could his list spot (and contract $'s) be better spent elsewhere?

Its the same logic i had when we recruited Fantasia. I understood why we got him, the experience, the energy levels etc....but at the end of the day, did our overall list structure suffer as a result?

You've gotta sacrifice something to get something. People around here don't want to sacrifice anything, but still want everything.

Well, they’re open-ended questions; theoretically there’s always someone better and there’s always a way to improve a list structure.

However, in the real world the answer is categorically no, his list spot and contact $$ couldn’t be better spent elsewhere, and no, our overall list structure didn’t suffer as a result of bringing Florent on board.

To complete the answer to your questions, I’ll ask why wouldn’t you sacrifice a future third rounder for the opportunity to bring on board a very good player whose impact goes way beyond on field ability?

The thing is that people round here see the impact that players like Florent, Hayward and Ainsworth have had and can’t really understand why anyone would be trying to second guess very good list management decisions.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: tonyo on August 23, 2026, 07:41:19 pm
I have a sneaking suspicion that a fair bit of the 'Bloods Culture' that has taken such a hit this week walked out the door when Florent and Hayward left the building.

I for one am happy if it has started to turn into Blue Blood.  The playing group certainly seem to be in a very good place atm, and you can never underestimate the effect that solid citizens bring to a footy club.

After all the dummy-spitting and disunity that seemed to plague CFC last year, the turnaround in this facet of the club has been amazing.  One can make a fair assumption that it is these new senior players (together with the talented kids who are now getting a crack) who are largely responsible for this.  Of course, a certain Mr Fraser is probably at the core of it, given his passion for connectedness.

The on-field results are very much a by-product of a connected and unified playing group.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: PaulP on August 23, 2026, 07:51:27 pm
Somewhat off topic, but Josh Francou is of the opinion that if John Longmire was still in charge, this would not have happened.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: crashlander on August 23, 2026, 07:54:44 pm
We have done very well recruiting players Sydney didn't want and turning them into top players.
Nic Newman was a great pickup. George Hewett has shown Sydney he can play. Florent has been excellent, as has Hayward. Please, Sydney, if you have more talented players you would like to send in our direction, we will provide a happy home for them.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: PaulP on August 23, 2026, 07:57:16 pm
………Please, Sydney, if you have more talented players you would like to send in our direction, we will provide a happy home for them.

Number 35 thanks.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: Gointocarlton on August 23, 2026, 07:58:34 pm
Were you at the game?

I thought it was a tough, high pressure game unlike our win over the Lions.
I agree, being at the game fairly close to the action, you could here the collisions and both teams were going at at 100% (even though I reckon Freo dont really like the tough stuff). Not sure what game pew2 watched. We all see things differently I guess.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: shawny on August 23, 2026, 08:10:51 pm
I worry about the comprehension of some people. I really do.

I'm not shooting bambi.

I'm asking a question.

I'm not saying Florent hasn't done everything we've asked of him.
I'm not saying Florent doesn't deserve a spot in our side.

I've had Florent in my best 23 since before the season started.

What i am asking is.....given the position he is playing, and given the other players playing a similar position in the 2's...and given how little cover we have in other areas.....could his list spot (and contract $'s) be better spent elsewhere?

Its the same logic i had when we recruited Fantasia. I understood why we got him, the experience, the energy levels etc....but at the end of the day, did our overall list structure suffer as a result?

You've gotta sacrifice something to get something. People around here don't want to sacrifice anything, but still want everything.


Talk about verbal diarrhoea.

Do you ever worry about your comprehension or only those who disagree with you which on this topic clearly the majority do.

Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: shawny on August 23, 2026, 08:14:35 pm
………Please, Sydney, if you have more talented players you would like to send in our direction, we will provide a happy home for them.

Number 35 thanks.


Nah they can have him.

He kicke lots of goals in the H&A season but its hard to have a unpredictable forward line when he is there as players are drawn to him and makes us easier to plan against.

Put it this way in finals i much prefer the balance and spread we have now.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: Thryleon on August 23, 2026, 09:33:05 pm
Somewhat off topic, but Josh Francou is of the opinion that if John Longmire was still in charge, this would not have happened.
reckon that he may be reaching a little there.

Its an obvious change, but the idea that cox let's the team get away with things longmire wouldnt doesnt sit right with me.

Cox may turn more of a blind eye given his history with cousins and kerr, but thats an assertion.  Odds are these guys do this stuff all the time, unless you think they're unlucky enough to get trouble the one time theyve done it, and stupid enough to only have done it as they head into the final round of the season.

Its likely a weekly occurrence.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: laj on August 24, 2026, 10:10:30 am
If my grandmother had testicle she'd be my grandfather.

Not necessarily these days....haha.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: Lods on August 24, 2026, 05:36:03 pm
Billy Wilson is the  rising star this week.

https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2111723/billy-the-kid-wilson-named-round-24-telstra-afl-rising-star-nominee

That's 4
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: shawny on August 24, 2026, 06:32:48 pm
Billy Wilson is the rising star this week.

That's 4

How good is that.

Can we ask Austin to come back?             
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: DJC on August 24, 2026, 06:36:51 pm
One of the highlights of the game for me was Ollie Hollands’ run-down tackle to save a certain goal. It was even sweeter because I suspect that the victim may be guilty of drinking his own bathwater.  Then there was Lachie Cowan busting his gut next to Ollie and almost in a position to tackle Voss too, then Billy Wilson and Adam Cerra joining the party and giving it to Voss.  Of course, Ollie blotted his copybook by roosting his freekick OOBOTF, but that’s what you get from Ollie.

Lachie Cowan got his chance in the third quarter after Voss put Dean down off the ball.  He didn’t miss it and crunched Voss who then had Derksen, Weitering, Hollands and Dean in his face and probably politely suggesting that getting rough with Dean has consequences.

Brodie Kemp’s game was a highlight for me. Not only did he kick three goals to lead our goal kicking at the end of the home and away season, his heads up play inside 50 led directly to two more goals, he had six inside 50s and eight score involvements. 

Frankie Evans played the perfect small forward’s game with crumbing goals, clever leads, straight kicking, hard running, one goal assist, two inside 50s and nine score involvements.  His last goal was a cracker that started with a crunching run-down tackle from Byrner that jarred the ball free, enabling Cottrell to gather and handpass to Kemp.  Kemp spotted McKay on his own in the pocket and nailed the pass.  Meanwhile, Frankie took off from the defensive side of the centre and, with some hard running, was perfectly placed to receive the handball from Harry and slam through his fifth to make a well-earnt bag.

My next highlight might seem relatively mundane.  With about ten minutes to go in the third quarter there was a kick down the line to Weitering and Treacy.  Derksen left his man, Voss, and went third man up to smash the ball out of bounds about 40 metres away.  Weiters gave Derksen a pat on the head and the two of them jogged back to defensive 50 with huge grins on their faces.  I could imagine Weiters saying to Derksen, “Yes, that’s exactly how you should kill to the ball!”

Finally, there was the shot of our bench in the last quarter with Fraser having the luxury of resting Weiters and a happy Weiters looking very relaxed and sharing a laugh with youngsters Coops and Jagga.

Great win and go Blues!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: PaulP on August 24, 2026, 06:39:43 pm
I will never grow tired of watching the Ollie Hollands chase down tackle. A couple of our boys after the game said Marvel stadium has never been louder.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: Sexybronco on August 24, 2026, 07:18:24 pm
I will never grow tired of watching the Ollie Hollands chase down tackle. A couple of our boys after the game said Marvel stadium has never been louder.
That stumble by Voss was gold, in days gone by he may gave gotten away with it but the manic desperation of Ollie and co typifies the turn around in the teams approach to every contest under Fraser, they seem to enjoy the hunt more than ever.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: Gointocarlton on August 24, 2026, 07:19:51 pm
I will never grow tired of watching the Ollie Hollands chase down tackle. A couple of our boys after the game said Marvel stadium has never been louder.
Was right in front of us, crowd went ballistic.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: Gointocarlton on August 24, 2026, 07:24:17 pm
PS kicked the resultant free kick out of bounds on the full but lets not let that take the shine off a tremendous effort.

Covered 14.6km for the day I might add, highest distance on the day.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: PaulP on August 24, 2026, 07:28:57 pm
PS kicked the resultant free kick out of bounds on the full but lets not let that take the shine off a tremendous effort.

Covered 14.6km for the day I might add, highest distance on the day.

I reckon after that chase down he would've been stuffed. He's not the greatest kicker at the best of times, but his legs were probably spent at that moment.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: Lods on August 24, 2026, 07:35:33 pm
The thing that I liked from that bit of play was there were two of them in the chase and they didn't give up.
And the next two to the contest were also Carlton players.
Which meant if Voss wanted to have a shot back, he was pretty outnumbered.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: Gointocarlton on August 24, 2026, 07:36:17 pm
The thing that I liked from that bit of play was there were two of them in the chase and they didn't give up.
And the next two to the contest were also Carlton players.
Which meant if Voss wanted to have a shot back, he was pretty outnumbered.
Acres and Ollie from memory?? Or was it Moo?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: PaulP on August 24, 2026, 07:37:33 pm
The thing that I liked from that bit of play was there were two of them in the chase and they didn't give up.
And the next two to the contest were also Carlton players.
Which meant if Voss wanted to have a shot back, he was pretty outnumbered.
Acres and Ollie from memory??

Ollie Hollands and Lachie Cowan.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: crashlander on August 24, 2026, 07:42:35 pm
Billy Wilson is the  rising star this week.

https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2111723/billy-the-kid-wilson-named-round-24-telstra-afl-rising-star-nominee

That's 4
Mirabile visu! And does he deserve it!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: crashlander on August 24, 2026, 07:44:54 pm
I will never grow tired of watching the Ollie Hollands chase down tackle. A couple of our boys after the game said Marvel stadium has never been louder.
Was right in front of us, crowd went ballistic.
That will be a highlight shown at our club for a long time to come. That not just one, but two guys made that chase and drilled Voss was exceptional.
And that Voss was pumbled in similar fashion later in the game should also be celebrated.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: cookie2 on August 24, 2026, 07:52:39 pm
Was right in front of us, crowd went ballistic.
That will be a highlight shown at our club for a long time to come. That not just one, but two guys made that chase and drilled Voss was exceptional.
And that Voss was pumbled in similar fashion later in the game should also be celebrated.
Yep. By the end of the game Voss was quite subdued.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 24 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel
Post by: laj on August 24, 2026, 10:18:38 pm
The thing that I liked from that bit of play was there were two of them in the chase and they didn't give up.
And the next two to the contest were also Carlton players.
Which meant if Voss wanted to have a shot back, he was pretty outnumbered.
Looks like he copped alot of stick too by about 4 Carlton blokes after the tackle.....both times.