Poll
Question:
Who were your top 3, WORST on ground?
Option 1: 2 - Menzel
votes: 1
Option 2: 3 - Murphy
votes: 3
Option 3: 4 - Gibbs
votes: 14
Option 4: 6 - Simpson
votes: 0
Option 5: 7 - Buckley
votes: 1
Option 6: 9 - Lucas (starting sub)
votes: 1
Option 7: 11 - Warnock
votes: 10
Option 8: 12 - Robinson
votes: 2
Option 9: 13 - Yarran
votes: 1
Option 10: 14 - McLean (subbed out)
votes: 33
Option 11: 17 - Sam Rowe
votes: 16
Option 12: 23 - Henderson
votes: 0
Option 13: 28 - Bell
votes: 0
Option 14: 30 - Waite
votes: 0
Option 15: 33 - Everitt
votes: 0
Option 16: 35 - Curnow
votes: 0
Option 17: 38 - Garlett
votes: 6
Option 18: 39 - Thomas
votes: 0
Option 19: 40 - Jamison
votes: 0
Option 20: 42 - Tuohy
votes: 16
Option 21: 43 - White
votes: 6
Option 22: 46 - Ellard
votes: 4
In a very up and down game it might be hard to give some votes this week.
Be an interesting result.
Gibbs and McLena did sweet FA. Warnock needs to learn how to kick or stamp his papers.
Warnock still hasn't recovered from the concussion several years ago in that final
Don't really like the nature of these threads. Very Richmond like.
Very easy to criticise Gibbs and praise Buckley, but who would've drawn Hardwick's focus in the lead up. Everitt got Deledio's measure so I rate that as a break even.
If it takes years to recover from a concussion it means move on boy. His work wasn't his worst but ruck work and he did a few things O.K with push and shove at ground level. Unfortunately it was a direct result of small mids running into him and not his work rate. I would be happier if we kept Jacobs over this lug. Waste of space if we expect him to be our first ruck. Kreuzer is broken. Levi can't kick. Wood is our only answer. Really ?
Warnock is fast becoming a liability. Kicking on goal was the worst effort i've seen from a league footballer..and was only marginally worse than his kick directly to Vickory to seal the game.
McLean the only player wearing Navy Blue to not register a tackle. Ironically our 2 'hard men' Bell/Robinson only had 1 each, equivalent to our sub, Lucas and a kid - Menzel. Every other player had 2 or more tackles.
Garlett got my final vote. Could have single handedly won us the game. Instead, his stupid kicks got intercepted, and hit the post....from 3m out!
Mclean, Gibbs and Rowe for me........with Warnock only saved by some nice taps..
Without a single sense of jest, I hope MM gave him the mother of all bitch slaps for that smart ar$ed attempt at goal at such a crucial moment. These blokes seem to think it's all Hollywood and hairstyles and that attitude won't get them to top 4 and will most certainly not deliver flag 17!!
McLean, Gibbs and Tuohy. None contributed to the game whatsoever. Hate to put McLean in here as he is my favourite player. He needs to recapture some form quickly or I think Cripps and Graham will be taking his place.
Don't understand the Warnock bashing. He won the middle and got his hands dirty when needed and fed out a number of handballs that ended up in goals further down the ground. He's easily our #1 ruckman.
Rowe
McLean
Our sport psychologist - we have a problem
Was McLean on the ground I must have blinked and missed both McLean and tuohy. Did the 700,000 man do anything of note? Will any body bother to go next week to watch another insipid display from a team incapable of playing four quarters of acceptable footy just wondering!!!!!!!
I thought Rowe was pretty stiff with some of the calls against him in the first half and, although he was ordinary for the most part, I thought he was good in the last quarter.
I thought White's move to Riewoldt was pivotal for our structure late in the game. It allowed Jamison to man up Vickery/Griffiths.
All three have the runs on the board to escape serious condemnation. I'd expect all three to bounce back significantly.
Brock McLean
7:30 pm Sunday is a stretch as it is but I couldn't think of anything worse than rounding out my weekend with a thrashing from the Bummers and then getting up for work on the Monday morning. In the immortal words of myself......fork that!
Very harsh on Gibbs, he was tagged heavily last night, for the first time. How many times has Murphy been tagged out of the game and had his opponent kick a few and all we here is how he needs support and it's not his fault. At least Gibbs laid six tackles so he was trying to impact the game in a different way. Very harsh indeed.
Warnock did some lovely taps straight down the oppositions throat.
I tell you why I think he is lucky not to be worst on ground, because he did manage a Nil All draw with Hampson and 206 laid a couple of reasonable tackles. But zero marks for a bloke 206cm tall is still damning.
When 206 missed that set shot he pretty much sucked the life out of the team for a period. The emotion that comes with a miss like that takes a toll, same for Waite's and Garlett's.
I cannot recall the last one 206 missed, if it was as bad as last night, but I think it was when he fainted playing Geelong. I wonder if he end up in hospital this week, maybe from a loss of heart?
As a team we have too many chokers, we cannot improve when blokes spend as much time destroying team confidence as they do trying to win the ball.
I agree with that. If those two dubious decisions had gone Rowe's way, we would have been a lot closer on the scoreboard and Rowe would have been one of our better players.
Rowe wouldn't be on my list for worst on ground.
Thought Garlett, McLean, Warnock, Gibbs and Robinson ahead of him.
Not sure why you have Robbo in that list, I thought he stepped up a level from last week especially towards the end of the game. He was one of only a couple left gut running, there are half a dozen other who had less impact on the game. Not justifying his disposal, but if he got 50 possessions and BOG his disposal would still be poo!
Robbo should be worked in one of two ways, inside F50 to hurt opponents and have at least a crack at kicking a goal, something many of our blokes are reluctant to do. Despite the missed shots how many times did we fail to fire a shot from fecking around on the F50 arc? Alternatively, you give him a Curnow type stopping job, let him pester a bloke like Cotchin or Ellis until the crack.
Bell was the worst player on the ground in the first half when most the damage was done.
I saw it different ...Bell attacked the footy and chased, sure he ballsed up some disposals but he did have a crack.....Mclean and Gibbs were unsighted and stayed that way for the entire game.
I also thought Robbo was missing and Menzel didnt touch it either.....the latter has to learn to chase and put the body in, the good teams small/mid sized forwards create pressure, he is a just a cherrypicker at this stage and has to contest better.
I don't understand why Robbo isn't played across half forward with the odd burst on the ball.
He's a better contested mark than most of our smaller guys as he throws himself at the ball and is prepared to take a hit to win the pill. His rough looking kicking action is normally pretty good on set shots as well. Plus he would tackle manically to keep the ball in F50.
I agree, I think we are just lacking the necessary options.
I agree EB1, Bell although untidy cracked in and that is what we want blokes having a crack.
In the first quarter and a half I thought Menzel, Daisey and Robbo spent a lot of time running around without getting involved in very much at all. However, all three were much better in the second half.
McLean and Gibbs had possibly their worst ever games in the same match, they look disenchanted and as a result I suspect all is not well at Carlton! If the Kreuzer rumor was confirmed pre-match that could explain things, SpecialK is very well liked amongst the playing group.
Proff he played a fair chunk across half fwd with bursts on ball.
I wish Bell went missing, every time he touched the ball Richmond got a goal. To his credit he crashed and bashed and played some better footy in the second half but it no where near made up for the damage that was already done.
Hmm, in the first half I'd be more worried about the blokes who didn't touch the ball! ;) ;D
He did score our first major of the match.
I just said I'd rather Bell didn't touch the ball, he kept fumbling and turning the ball over.
Bell is very hit and miss but I think we need to just bite the bullet, take a risk, play him and hope he comes good. Our list isn't very talent laden.
We will be glad we have Bell and Robbo this week....Bombers will come out after Murphy, Gibbs, Thomas etc and try to rough us up....Hawks survived it but we are not really robust and will need some players to stand up and be counted..
I agree but at 22 he is well placed to take the next step and showed serious glimpses against the Tigers. He has a big body and a decent tank. I feel confident to suggest that he will become an elite player.
Wise words we need to listen to.
I agree Elwood and this is probably what saves Robbo. His attack on the footy is brutal while his use of it is woeful. Only Judd, Bell and Brock come close to Robbo's physicality. Whilst he is eclipsed by most in the usage of the pill. I noticed in the Tiges game though, that he looked to give off the quick handball more often which I suspect is an instruction.