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Re: VFL 2023 Rd 4 Carlton vs Richmond at Carlton

Reply #46 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
You guys overestimate fogarties abilities.

I have absolutely no illusions about Fogs limited abilities. I think the argument here is that he is in very good form and at his best, limits and all. Whereas we've got more talented blokes playing in the seniors who are, however, in poor form and not deserving of a senior gig. We've (CFC) often said that we will reward good form in the Magoos and blokes in the seniors will have to earn their place. This does not appear to be happening.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: VFL 2023 Rd 4 Carlton vs Richmond at Carlton

Reply #48 –
From what I've seen in VFL this season Fogarty is consistently giving us more of what we need than Cunningham, but if he can get back to his best Cunningham has a whole other gear, but it doesn't show at the moment.

On form we perhaps made a mistake playing Honey ahead of Fogarty, but I can understand because of Honey's potential upside. Fogarty was probably a better choice of replacement for Owies, but I don't think Fogarty will ever be as physical as Owies. How can the coaches put together a similar cake with different ingredients?

At the moment we lack good form, we have been scraping through against teams that are good but also not in good form, it showed Thursday night.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: VFL 2023 Rd 4 Carlton vs Richmond at Carlton

Reply #49 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
An Alfa Romeo he isn't but sometimes an old HiAce van is what you need to do the job ..
And sometimes, any farken car that doesn't break down will do.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: VFL 2023 Rd 4 Carlton vs Richmond at Carlton

Reply #50 –
Fogarty is a tough nugget under the packs - not everyone needs to be a game breaker. Fisher isn't playing his role and need to reward players that could replace him and do a better job.

Re: VFL 2023 Rd 4 Carlton vs Richmond at Carlton

Reply #51 –
Just on Carroll, you guys know he's 20 right?
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: VFL 2023 Rd 4 Carlton vs Richmond at Carlton

Reply #52 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Just on Carroll, you guys know he's 20 right?
So is Nick Daicos
Here is a list of every 20 year old in fact. There are a quite a few who are regulars in their sides and making an impact.
20 YEARS OLD
Conor Stone, Elijah Hollands, Zane Trew, Domanic Akuei, Isiah Winder, Nathan O'Driscoll, Luke Pedlar, Carter Michael, Will Phillips, Tanner Bruhn, Kaine Baldwin, Jacob Bauer, Marc Sheather, Karl Worner, Cameron Fleeton, Eddie Ford, Seamus Mitchell, Riley Thilthorpe, Dominic Bedendo, James Borlase, Brayden Cook, Errol Gulden, Tariek Newchurch, Shannon Neale, Oliver Henry, Josh Treacy, Blake Coleman, Deakyn Smith, Max Holmes, Maurice Rioli, Jake Bowey, Henry Smith, Aiden Begg, Cody Raak, Brandon Walker, Max Heath, Jye Menzie, Tyler Brockman, Jacob Edwards, Jack Ginnivan, Ryan Angwin, Reef McInnes, Sandy Brock, Harry Sharp, Jack Carroll, Nick Daicos, Oliver Dempsey, Josh Sinn, Mitch Knevitt, Jackson Archer, Connor MacDonald, Miller Bergman, Jake Soligo, Tyler Sonsie, Arlo Draper, Zac Taylor, Ned Long, Lachie Rankin, Sam Butler, Oskar Faulkhead, Dante Visentini, Jai Serong, Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera, Jai Culley, Cooper Whyte, Paul Curtis, Brady Hough, Matthew Johnson, Taj Woewodin, Sam Banks, Josh Gibcus, Blake Howes, Josh Rachele, Jacob Van Rooyen, Max Ramsden
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: VFL 2023 Rd 4 Carlton vs Richmond at Carlton

Reply #53 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
So is Nick Daicos
Here is a list of every 20 year old in fact. There are a quite a few who are regulars in their sides and making an impact.
20 YEARS OLD
Conor Stone, Elijah Hollands, Zane Trew, Domanic Akuei, Isiah Winder, Nathan O'Driscoll, Luke Pedlar, Carter Michael, Will Phillips, Tanner Bruhn, Kaine Baldwin, Jacob Bauer, Marc Sheather, Karl Worner, Cameron Fleeton, Eddie Ford, Seamus Mitchell, Riley Thilthorpe, Dominic Bedendo, James Borlase, Brayden Cook, Errol Gulden, Tariek Newchurch, Shannon Neale, Oliver Henry, Josh Treacy, Blake Coleman, Deakyn Smith, Max Holmes, Maurice Rioli, Jake Bowey, Henry Smith, Aiden Begg, Cody Raak, Brandon Walker, Max Heath, Jye Menzie, Tyler Brockman, Jacob Edwards, Jack Ginnivan, Ryan Angwin, Reef McInnes, Sandy Brock, Harry Sharp, Jack Carroll, Nick Daicos, Oliver Dempsey, Josh Sinn, Mitch Knevitt, Jackson Archer, Connor MacDonald, Miller Bergman, Jake Soligo, Tyler Sonsie, Arlo Draper, Zac Taylor, Ned Long, Lachie Rankin, Sam Butler, Oskar Faulkhead, Dante Visentini, Jai Serong, Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera, Jai Culley, Cooper Whyte, Paul Curtis, Brady Hough, Matthew Johnson, Taj Woewodin, Sam Banks, Josh Gibcus, Blake Howes, Josh Rachele, Jacob Van Rooyen, Max Ramsden

Not debating there isn't better 20 year olds in the AFL but that doesn't mean he doesn't have a brighter future than some of our other also rans.  He turns 21 in December.

"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: VFL 2023 Rd 4 Carlton vs Richmond at Carlton

Reply #54 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Not debating there isn't better 20 year olds in the AFL but that doesn't mean he doesn't have a brighter future than some of our other also rans.  He turns 21 in December.


Perhaps
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership
 

Re: VFL 2023 Rd 4 Carlton vs Richmond at Carlton

Reply #55 –
We really need an U21's with our reserves above them. In reality, this would be better for most players coming through. The AFL team would mostly be comprised of the 24 yrs and up with superstar 'kids' occasionally gaining promotion. By then, you know who is dedicated and potentially has the physical durability to survive.