AFL Rd 19 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

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AFL Rd 19 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

July 17, 2026, 08:09:11 pm

Ready for tomorrow night.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #1 – July 17, 2026, 10:03:14 pm

Quote from: crashlander – on July 17, 2026, 08:09:11 pm

Ready for tomorrow night.

Great scott!

We've disrupted the space-time continuum by changing something in our past leading to an alternative timeline where we actuality play collingwood in round 1 this year!

..... otherwise known as...
Can fix the round number in the title.

Re: AFL Rd 19 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #2 – July 18, 2026, 09:56:31 am

Quote from: kruddler – on July 17, 2026, 10:03:14 pm

Quote from: crashlander – on July 17, 2026, 08:09:11 pm
Ready for tomorrow night.

Great scott!

We've disrupted the space-time continuum by changing something in our past leading to an alternative timeline where we actuality play collingwood in round 1 this year!

..... otherwise known as...
Can fix the round number in the title.

My error. I am human ... I think.
Hmmmm ... no pointed ears, no green blood ... yeah, I think I'm human.

Re: AFL Rd 19 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #3 – July 18, 2026, 10:50:12 pm

Same old story.

Re: AFL Rd 19 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #4 – July 18, 2026, 10:57:21 pm

Think I'll sleep on this one and make comment tomorrow.

I've got too many conspiracy theories going on right now.

Re: AFL Rd 19 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #5 – July 18, 2026, 11:23:51 pm

We are Collingwood's bunnies

Re: AFL Rd 19 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #6 – July 18, 2026, 11:28:17 pm

Quote from: madbluboy – on July 18, 2026, 11:23:51 pm

We are Collingwood's bunnies

McRae(coach) 9 vs Carlton 1

Re: AFL Rd 19 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #7 – July 18, 2026, 11:31:48 pm

Whats the crack? Didnt see the game, was out for dinner. Saw the stats, surprise surprise we got smashed in the ruck. Told you its a huge area of concern. We need a good ruckman big time.

Re: AFL Rd 19 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #8 – Today at 01:00:34 am

We were in trouble when Pitto didn't come up. We were in worse trouble when McKay went off. We were our own worst enemy when it came to finding a team mate. We had at least 5 shots at goal inside the 50 that didn't score, total shanks. We work like trojans and get no reward.

OK, time to think analytically:
[1] Champion rucks do not always get premierships, but uncompetitive rucks lose games.
For the second week in a row, we were obliterated in the ruck. Reidy did better than Riley did, but not good enough to give our mids any chance of getting the ball into our forward line quickly. And with H off, there was no other option.
So, what do we do about it? It didn't work last week, yet we repeat the same structural mistake, with the same outcome.
We all know that Pitto is not the sort of ruck to lead us to a premiership. He is, however, a real competitor who gives his all and can nullify other, better credentialed rucks.
Unfortunately, the other 3 rucks on our list are not good enough yet. Maybe they will never be good enough. Yet they have to play one out. It is a recipe for disaster and it isn't their fault.
There have been many debates over playing one ruck or two, but we have demonstrated all too well that having one ruck that is not good enough and no reasonable backup doesn't work.
What can we do about it?
This is a problem, as we know we are low on alternatives. I would have played one of Riley or O'Keefe, simply because we have no other big bodies available. They are not great targets, but they would have offered something different than a forward line of dwarves.
We need to draft or trade for a ruck. Badly. There are some rucks coming through, but I'm not sure one of them would solve our problems. We won't get van Hattum: he'll be gone by pick 6 at the latest. I like Benji van Rooyen, but he isn't a jumper. He may well develop into a Pitto replacement, and he does a lot more around the ground.
I'm not a huge fan of Hayden McLean, but he, at least, can play forward and isn't useless at ground level. I wouldn't touch Amartey: he is Charlie Curnow without as much talent.
Most of the rucks going around are bulls, not jumpers, due to the former ruck rules.

[2] Our skills simply are not good enough:
We had more shots on goal tonight. At least five shots from inside 50 didn't score, didn't get close to scoring. Kemp's shot after the siren was deplorable, Patrick Cripps' left foot snap wasn't much better. I really don't want to think about them ever again. But we kicked points when Collingwood kicked goals. Had we kicked reasonably, we would have won: we had more Inside 50's.
Brodie Kemp is too unreliable to our forward target going forward. He can kick them from the boundary, but he misses too many easy ones and doesn't get enough ball. He gets out-marked far too often. He doesn't bring the ball to ground.
McGovern wasn't bad, but he doesn't hold enough marks. He certainly offers more than Kemp at the moment, but he also shanks kicks too often. Give him an important shot and he usually misses. Sometimes he doesn't even score.

But that was only one aspect of our poor disposal. The number of times we ran ourselves into trouble or kicked to turnover were lethal. That was how Collingwood got almost all their goals, from our turnovers.
Even when it came to spoiling, we seemed to smash the ball directly to Collingwood players, who snapped cleanly. After quarter time Collingwood didn't kick a goal that wasn't from a turnover.

[3] Our mids were prolific tonight, but we still could move the ball quickly into the forward line.
I don't know that I have to expound on this, it is mostly self-evident. Our mids worked really hard, but didn't get rewards. We didn't kick directly, we always went short and wide and a lot of our players did this.
Nick Daicos gets a lot of ball because his team mates feed him. He had 36 possessions, but he earnt maybe three. He had 4 clearances, while our guys had many more.

[4] We went back to our old game style:
We moved the ball slowly. We didn't capitalize on turnovers. We didn't open spaces to allow our forwards to move into. We bombed it long, even though we didn't have any talls to take pack marks.

I could go on, but I want to flush this crap from my mind. Insomnia is bad enough when we win, let alone when we lose.

Re: AFL Rd 19 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #9 – Today at 06:57:49 am

So....thats was a thjng.

Some points of frustration....
1. Kicking.....practice it, quick.
We cant kick at goal.
We cant kick to advantage.
We cant kick to a teammate inside 50.

This extends past the usual suspects.
Go watch a replay and look at sam walsh. His long ball on top of someone's head (not to our advantage, but over 50m so it's an 'effective kick') played right into the oppositions hands. He needs to sort that out. Look at jagga by comparison.

2. Inside 50s.....
Similar to the above our entries inside 50 are largely poor. Its not all about the kicking though. The poor leading (or non existant) leading) didn't give the kicker much choice.

Both the above lag to the same problems ever had for years midfield-forward connection.

The game result was consistent with my ladder theory and strength of opponent being the ultimate predictor of how well we do.

Re: AFL Rd 19 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #10 – Today at 07:03:09 am

Good point about Daicos crash.
He is a very good and damaging player but he does get a lot of cheap possessions with one/ two types of play.
He hovers around players who have taken possession looking for the feed off.
While you can't criticise him for that, because it is effective, it does inflate his possession numbers.

Re: AFL Rd 19 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #11 – Today at 07:55:57 am

That winning feeling sure was nice while it lasted

Re: AFL Rd 19 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #12 – Today at 09:07:18 am

Loved Frase's media conference. Candid & realistic. And I don't think he was a happy camper; clearly not impressed with features of our game.

Although aiming and wanting to make the 10 is a good goal, this shouldn't be done at the expense of things Josh mentioned - specifically having a strong look at the list and changing and improving other areas of our game; to be better than we were when he took the reins by season's end.

We were hampered by losing H. We not only lost a key forward target but also a good 2nd ruck and around the ground help. Then losing an in form Cez compounded the issue. Then failure to adapt and adjust really showed up our weaknesses and areas of need, both structure and personnel wise. In many respects we made Rottingwood's job of winning... easier.

Not the end of the world. As my father used to say, "Fools and children should not asses outcomes on jobs half done." Clearly the club is looking at the big picture and what we need for a strong 2027 and beyond. Good.

Re: AFL Rd 19 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #13 – Today at 09:14:37 am

Quote from: Baggers – on Today at 09:07:18 am

Not the end of the world. As my father used to say, "Fools and children should not asses outcomes on jobs half done." Clearly the club is looking at the big picture and what we need for a strong 2027 and beyond. Good.

Great saying. I think the biggest problem we have, which is not easy to fix quickly with list changes, is our inability to to cope with pressure. We saw two teams this morning play off in the World Cup 3rd place game, a nothing game with zero pressure. Lots of goals, free flowing end to end stuff. Two teams who had an almighty choke when pressure came (England being renowned for it, Bosnich commented on it the other day on SEN that it's in their psyche). Thats us at the minute, no pressure, no worries. When something becomes meaningful and important, we go to water (missed field kicks, handballs, shots for goal, fumbles, dropped marks etc). Biggest problem with our club, hardest to fix in my opinion.