Carlton Supporters Club

Quote from: Lappinlappystick on May 03, 2014, 09:53:06 am

Quote from: ItsOurTime on May 03, 2014, 09:30:33 am

Quote from: cookie2 on May 02, 2014, 11:18:44 pm

@Sheik
And what is more, you could tell almost from the first bounce that we were in for an off-night.

I thought we started pretty well.

Agree. Probably the first 7 minutes or so. Then the clangers began....

The clangers are a symptom. When an opponent, generally a top 6ish opponent, applies bona fide heat to our girls, they go to water... then the clangers, fumbling, poor disposal and decisions abound which would make any game plan look bad.

I recall L. Matthews saying some time ago that the whole 'game plan' thing is overrated. He stressed that having a really good / strong list of blokes playing well will make any game plan look good... conversely, no matter how supposedly good a game plan is, if you aint got the cattle then your game strategy can only end up looking shizen.

I think the one thing that is coming out of all this right now is that we as supporters have been sold a dud !!

Everyone was told to "stick fat" and buy memberships, the club has sacked a favourite son and brought in one of the biggest names in coaching ever on the premise that we were a whisker away from a premiership tilt.

Five losses from seven games with all of them being extremely embarrassing has many people very angry now that their goodwill and faith has basically been taken for granted and/or the club is essentially a huge pisstake.

There is also the blind loyalty that a high number of Blues supporters have to the players which has now been blown out of the water as even though they really want to see success, deep down they know that these players are not going to take us anywhere.

Overall, we are a mid-table team at best and a bottom-feeder of a club with questionable management and no leadership of note coming over the hill to save us.

19 years since our last flag and right now, we look further away from winning one than we ever have in this period.

It's sad really but the club only has itself to thank for being in such a predicament. As shown by some of the other successful clubs, sheer arrogance & short-cuts aren't the methodology that wins these days, nothing less than hard work & a future vision does.

Said it before and I'll say it again, MM coaching is crape!

Too much Jekyll and Hyde performance.

Quote from: Baggers on May 03, 2014, 10:21:01 am

Quote from: Lappinlappystick on May 03, 2014, 09:53:06 am

Quote from: ItsOurTime on May 03, 2014, 09:30:33 am

Quote from: cookie2 on May 02, 2014, 11:18:44 pm

@Sheik
And what is more, you could tell almost from the first bounce that we were in for an off-night.

I thought we started pretty well.

Agree. Probably the first 7 minutes or so. Then the clangers began....

The clangers are a symptom. When an opponent, generally a top 6ish opponent, applies bona fide heat to our girls, they go to water... then the clangers, fumbling, poor disposal and decisions abound which would make any game plan look bad.

I recall L. Matthews saying some time ago that the whole 'game plan' thing is overrated. He stressed that having a really good / strong list of blokes playing well will make any game plan look good... conversely, no matter how supposedly good a game plan is, if you aint got the cattle then your game strategy can only end up looking shizen.

Agree with the bolded bit. By the same token, you have to accept the list you have, and play to win. If you don't like the list's attributes, have a clean out at season's end. But winning breeds confidence, and if we win against bottom 8 teams with shoot out footy, then for now, so be it. The team is demoralized, and the gap between our best and worst is too great. It's without question between the ears stuff. Whether it's the coach whether the players are lazy, whether it's conditioning, whether players are screwing each other's WAGS, I don't know. Communication and cohesion is poor. The players can't keep their composure, and can't execute under pressure.I will never accept that this team's potential is to be bottom 4. The list is better than that. I just want to see them playing to their potential every week.

Quote from: PaulP on May 03, 2014, 11:09:08 am

Quote from: Baggers on May 03, 2014, 10:21:01 am

Quote from: Lappinlappystick on May 03, 2014, 09:53:06 am

Quote from: ItsOurTime on May 03, 2014, 09:30:33 am

Quote from: cookie2 on May 02, 2014, 11:18:44 pm

@Sheik
And what is more, you could tell almost from the first bounce that we were in for an off-night.

I thought we started pretty well.

Agree. Probably the first 7 minutes or so. Then the clangers began....

The clangers are a symptom. When an opponent, generally a top 6ish opponent, applies bona fide heat to our girls, they go to water... then the clangers, fumbling, poor disposal and decisions abound which would make any game plan look bad.

I recall L. Matthews saying some time ago that the whole 'game plan' thing is overrated. He stressed that having a really good / strong list of blokes playing well will make any game plan look good... conversely, no matter how supposedly good a game plan is, if you aint got the cattle then your game strategy can only end up looking shizen.

Agree with the bolded bit. By the same token, you have to accept the list you have, and play to win. If you don't like the list's attributes, have a clean out at season's end. But winning breeds confidence, and if we win against bottom 8 teams with shoot out footy, then for now, so be it. The team is demoralized, and the gap between our best and worst is too great. It's without question between the ears stuff. Whether it's the coach whether the players are lazy, whether it's conditioning, whether players are screwing each other's WAGS, I don't know. Communication and cohesion is poor. The players can't keep their composure, and can't execute under pressure.I will never accept that this team's potential is to be bottom 4. The list is better than that. I just want to see them playing to their potential every week.

Enough short cutting and feeling good getting soft wins playing open football.

We changed it up last year and wasted the season just to have to do waste another year now.  If we lose matches until these idiots can figure out what it takes then so be it.

Also get the kids that show the right stuff away from the blokes who don't.  You only breed more of the same crap culture.

Changing it up last year saved our season.

Kane Lucas delist. Is one of, or the worst, I have seen at AFL level.

Menzel as sub is absolutely ridiculous.

Carrazzo and Waite our injured again - gee...surprise, surprise. Happy to let them both go. Same for Judd. We've got to get past the Judd-saviour era IMO. Hate to say it.

Gibbs can walk. Another scared perfomance. Downhiller.

Garlett trade if anyone wants him. Scared little boy out there ala Lucas.

Buckley shows the most heart I have seen in a navy Blue jumper in a long long longggggggg time@!!!

Putrid performance but unfortunately I was not surprised.

People bagging Rowe and co - he is not the problem. the amount of quality ball coming in - 71% to 29% late in the game in the Pies favour time spent in the forward 50 - give me a break! He may not be our key back we want but you know very little if you think he's the reason we are so poor and why we were so disgraceful last night!

Walker down back - end this now! Cannot field kick to save himself and is a liability down back. Move him back forward permanently.

Literally time to play the kids - get all of Cripps, Holman, Graham and Giles in the team along with Menzel, Buckley and Docherty. That's the future!

Culture change and a new era required - ASAP!!!!

The big reservation I have about playing too many of the kids is the exposure they would get to our poor seniors culture atm. We have to find a way to mitigate that influence IMO. Kids only learn from their senior mentors on field and ours are a real worry!