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Reply #1920 –
Quote from: laj – on
Those days as a keeper, right now the focus is on batting. Makes a difference. His first stint in the Test Team he went well with two centuries and a numbers of 50's. average in the mid-30s. He lost the job because he was $hit with the gloves. Second  stint he did bat badly and sunk the average. Right now he's the in-form batsman in Shield cricket averaging over 50 last year and 63 this year. To me that is straight in the side, especially given some of the $hit we have selected before him.

We gone from aggressive, in your face type players to being too nice. We need the mongrel back. Warner, Wade and probably Pattinson will help that along. We are at our best when we are hard and very aggressive. Rather be arseholes and winning than nice guys losing all the time. As long as they leave the sandpaper in the dressing room as we don't want to be cheating either.

Got no problems with getting some mongrel and aggression back in, Laj - I'm just not convinced he's up to it at test level.

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Reply #1921 –
Quote from: malo – on
That's a little harsh on Paine mate......he was exactly what the national side needed as captain in the wake of that moment of stupidity in SAF.  And if you're being fair, Paine is finally getting the games that should have been his years ago, before Wade was even in the picture.  Having said that, you have to reward performances...and Wade would be in any side as a specialist Batsman given that criteria.

And Maxwells treatment is nothing short of restraint of trade........and I'm from Tassie, so no Vic bias here !

Fair points, I dont mind Tim Paine as a cricketer or individual but I just think we went overboard in trying to clean up the mess left by Warner etc...Aussie teams function better when we have some edge to our game and have a little bit of mongrel but still stay within the rules.
Wade should get the second keeper's job for England unless they go with a part time keeper like Hanscomb, I'd play Wade in the old Warner opening role, take the attack to the  opening bowlers, as I have said before I am not a real fan of keepers playing as specialist batsman but in our case we need to reward Shield players who are meeting the normal criteria of weight of runs@ a decent average..
When you pick blokes averaging 29 in the key role of No 3 then really cant expect to be winning at test level vs decent opposition...re: Maxwell...think we all know Maxy isnt everyones cup of tea in the dressing room and probably isnt one of the boys but either was Don Bradman who played with a team full of micky flynn's but we still got the job done and picked the best players..

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Reply #1922 –
So Finch bowled again with the ball coming back into him....

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Reply #1923 –
Yep, getting boring isn't it?  I think there's about ten basic batting drills given to juniors to prevent that issue.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

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Reply #1924 –
Wade’s situation reminds of Richie Robinson back in the olden days.  Robinson had no chance of displacing Marsh as keeper but his success with the bat got him a Test spot as a batsman.  Of course the Poms worked out his technical flaws and he failed to reproduce his Shield form at Test level.

Wade’s technique could also be exposed ... but that seems to apply to all of our batsmen ????
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

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Reply #1925 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Fair points, I dont mind Tim Paine as a cricketer or individual but I just think we went overboard in trying to clean up the mess left by Warner etc...Aussie teams function better when we have some edge to our game and have a little bit of mongrel but still stay within the rules.

I think we more to move more towards the attitude taken by Border in '89......he made a conscious decision to say nothing to the poms, not to interact with them in anyway, even though on previous tours he had been mates with quite a few of them...  Certainly there was stuff all sledging compared to subsequent captains, but that completely hardnosed, driven approach made it quite plain to the poms that he was there for 1 thing only.....to win.

And yes, Wade has to go to England as backup keeper/batsman.  Sadly they can't afford to throw Carey to the Lions yet given the shortness of England tours these days.  No scope to take players on Ashes tours for experience anymore.
Life is pain....... anyone who says differently is selling something.

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Reply #1926 –
Quote from: DamonBlue – on
Got no problems with getting some mongrel and aggression back in, Laj - I'm just not convinced he's up to it at test level.

Neither are many others. All you can do in that situation is go on form. His batting was definitely Test level in his first stint with 50s and 100s, just was poor batting on his 2nd stint.

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Reply #1927 –
It's supposedly a bat off for the Test top order in the CAXI game against Sri lanka down here at Bellerive.......so far, they've all failed !

Renshaw - 7
Burns - 6
Labuschagne - 6

need a bight of fight from Patterson & Pucovski, otherwise the next batsmen in line look very ordinary.
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Reply #1928 –
Quote from: malo – on
It's supposedly a bat off for the Test top order in the CAXI game against Sri lanka down here at Bellerive.......so far, they've all failed !

Renshaw - 7
Burns - 6
Labuschagne - 6

need a bight of fight from Patterson & Pucovski, otherwise the next batsmen in line look very ordinary.

Getting that. At lunch, Patterson is 41 and Pucovski is 22. Both looking really good.
 

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Reply #1929 –
And then got out.  Jinx.

Patterson showing some spine.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

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Reply #1930 –
Patterson 157*, get youselves ready for another average NSW batsman in the national team

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Reply #1931 –
If Finch wasn't ODI captain he'd be dropped as well.  His career at international level is hanging by a thread.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

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Reply #1932 –
Quote from: Jack Burton – on
Patterson 157*, get youselves ready for another average NSW batsman in the national team

Actually thought he should've been in the side from the start, He's been making runs for quite a while. Don't understand why he's not. Career average of 41 and in terrific form this year.

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Reply #1933 –
We have a habit of picking blokes who aren't in form.   I can take an average player in good touch,  lord knows we've picked enough average players in poor form,  with concomitant results.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

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Reply #1934 –
Quote from: Jack Burton – on
Patterson 157*, get youselves ready for another average NSW batsman in the national team

Harris
Finch
Kawahja
Marsh
Hanscombe
Head
Paine

Remind me who the Average NSW are?
Who are the Pro NSW selectors?