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Reply #271 –
Quote from: LP – on
Daisy can't lead from the stands!

Docherty could be our next captain, he is a defender who can rotate through the forward region and MM loves utility types!

Expecting Daisy to have effected immediate and significant change to our group was a childish expectation. He was brought in for more than his playing but his leadership. Again, patience Grasshopper. Daisy is an important part of our growth.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

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Reply #272 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
Expecting Daisy to have effected immediate and significant change to our group was a childish expectation. He was brought in for more than his playing but his leadership. Again, patience Grasshopper. Daisy is an important part of our growth.

Whats that...an ally?  :o

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Reply #273 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Whats that...an ally?  :o

Underestimating what this bloke brings to our club is unfair and short-sighted. And those who would defer to his salary miss the bigger picture.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

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Reply #274 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
Expecting Daisy to have effected immediate and significant change to our group was a childish expectation. He was brought in for more than his playing but his leadership. Again, patience Grasshopper. Daisy is an important part of our growth.

I too agree.  Prefer to think of this as a change management exercise in the context of a salary cap limit and a limited number of players on a list. New folk have to be brought in, but in a complementary way so as not to disrupt things too much. Change has to be undertaken at a pace that can allow many people to grasp and understand what is going on, and then buy in. And in any organisation, this process identifies those resistant and they either change or leave.  A corporation of a few thousand people may go through a similar exercise in principle.

Of course results tend to lag the actions, which is why there is a need to communicate change and its purpose.  None of this is without risk, and certainly the club has made a big effort to better communicate this process in recent days which was clearly needed.

Leadership is the intangible in any organisation, and despite many efforts to measure and categorise it remains often a subjective quality. I am of the view that bringing Thomas in was a good move as it demonstrated a bit of risk but with a purpose. He is a very good footballer and evidently has some of the qualities that were desired. He is no silver bullet either, which along with injuries have made him a target of criticism.  But good leadership is also alot about the conection between people. Those who follow have to have a willingness to listen and consider as well as make a contribution, just like those apparent or annointed leaders. It's a process that is dependent on a feedback loop that if successful functions as a kind of virtuous circle where everyone asks more of each other and everyone is motivated to do better. In reverse it spirals down, replete with blame and finger pointing.
 

Re: Worst Leaders in the AFL!

Reply #275 –
So in that sense Daisy is an epic fail, our leadership and culture are at an all time low. Daisy has ticked neither the performance box nor the leadership box.
Ignorance is bliss.

ONWARDS AND UPWARDS!

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Reply #276 –
Quote from: PassIt2Carrots – on
So in that sense Daisy is an epic fail, our leadership and culture are at an all time low. Daisy has ticked neither the performance box nor the leadership box.

IYO.

Daisy was top 10 in the B+F and is clearly a leader on and off the field.

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Reply #277 –
I can't speak for the inner sanctum stuff but Daisy must count as an epic on field fail at this stage, compounded by the loss of a compensation pick for Betts. 

Top 10 B&F, pffft, he should be top 5 on the coin he accepted.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

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Reply #278 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
IYO.

Daisy was top 10 in the B+F and is clearly a leader on and off the field.

Who votes on that?

Given Micks enthusiasm for all things Daisy, it probably doesn't amount to much if he's putting pen to paper.

Gibbs' great year was evident to all, I'm not sure any of us thought Daisy's year was anything but below average.
You can fool some of the people some of the time.......................................

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Reply #279 –
Collectively at CSC, below average would be very kind:

3831 - Gibbs, Bryce (124)
3055 - Murphy, Marc (0)
2503 - Simpson, Kade (54)
2035 - Judd, Chris (440)
1667 - Yarran, Chris (0)
1396 - Rowe, Sam (163)
949 - Curnow, Edward (3)
902 - Waite, Jarrad (12)
847 - Henderson, Lachie (0)
825 - Everitt, Andrejs (0)
743 - Menzel, Troy (0)
726 - Carrazzo, Andrew (27)
612 - Docherty, Sam (18)
589 - Robinson, Mitch (0)
569 - McLean, Brock (239)
562 - Casboult, Levi (0)
533 - Warnock, Robert (0)
531 - Jamison, Michael (3)
469 - Buckley, Dylan (0)
456 - Thomas, Dale (0)
433 - White, Simon (0)
430 - Walker, Andrew (0)
344 - Bell, Tom (3)
293 - Ellard, David (0)
210 - Watson, Matthew (210)
165 - Garlett, Jeff (0)
121 - Wood, Cameron (3)
105 - Tuohy, Zach (21)
39 - Lucas, Kane (0)
37 - Armfield, Dennis (0)
29 - Sheehan, Ciaran (12)
17 - Scotland, Heath (0)
9 - Graham, Nick (0)

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Reply #280 –
Quote from: cimm1979 – on
Who votes on that?

Given Micks enthusiasm for all things Daisy, it probably doesn't amount to much if he's putting pen to paper.

Gibbs' great year was evident to all, I'm not sure any of us thought Daisy's year was anything but below average.

There would be 5 people voting on every game, 1 would include Mick.

Mick alone could not get him into the top 10 if thats what you are suggesting.

A lot of people had higher expectations of Daisy and marked him harshly. Others disliked him because he is seen to be 'Micks boy' and that rubbed them the wrong way. Ultimately i think it was the fact that his role changed regularly and only the MC knew what was expected of him and if he performed it or not.

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Reply #281 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
There would be 5 people voting on every game, 1 would include Mick.

Mick alone could not get him into the top 10 if thats what you are suggesting.

A lot of people had higher expectations of Daisy and marked him harshly. Others disliked him because he is seen to be 'Micks boy' and that rubbed them the wrong way. Ultimately i think it was the fact that his role changed regularly and only the MC knew what was expected of him and if he performed it or not.

Must have been watching a different Daisy.

Played 4 average games and one good one at most.

His efforts against a few sides were embarrassing.

$700k a year should be considered top 3 player, not an overweight try hard going through rehab.
You can fool some of the people some of the time.......................................

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Reply #282 –
How many free agents have been signed to be a role player at there club?
"We are a club in a hurry"

#united #reset

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Reply #283 –
Quote from: shadesy – on
How many free agents have been signed to be a role player at there club?

Technically they all have.

We seem to be the only club in the AFL foreign to the concept of role players, and just expect to push blokes out there, play their best and we shall win somehow because they are worth a million bucks a year.  If Tom Boyd was at Carlton he would be being absolutely smashed right now, because the bloke has misfired spectacularly thus far.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

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Reply #284 –
Quote from: shadesy – on
How many free agents have been signed to be a role player at there club?

The concept of "role" is a bit ambiguous, and surely trades and de-listings count, but with some limited scope on the idea of "a role" and not the "all players have a role" approach;

Does Everitt qualify?

How about Laidler, technically a de-listing but it seems to fit!

Betts in the Adelaide FP!
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