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Re: 2015-Rnd 6 Carlton vs Brisbane (Preview)

Reply #135 –
@ EB
Can I just say one thing about Schultz and Garlett. They always had talent to burn, unfortunately they were ratbags at their previous clubs and after a series of warning were given the boot. Both have had a kick in the back side and the penny has dropped for them (at least for Schultz it has). I agree though that Primus couldnt teach pigs to roll in mud  and Hinkley can.
As for some of the other names you mention from our list? I am not sure they are as talented as people think and comparable to Gray etc. Its funny really, everyone agrees our recruiting has been abhorrent yet we expect the spuds on our list to grow a leg under a new coach or suddenly have value at the trade table.
Having said all that, there is something rotten in Denmark as they say and changes will be made. The question is, will they get it right?

Re: 2015-Rnd 6 Carlton vs Brisbane (Preview)

Reply #136 –
I just want a bloke like Graham to get a go so we can see. Amazing that he's still in the twos when we're traveling so poorly.
Ignorance is bliss.

ONWARDS AND UPWARDS!

Re: 2015-Rnd 6 Carlton vs Brisbane (Preview)

Reply #137 –
Everyone wanted Whiley to get a go and he was terrible.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: 2015-Rnd 6 Carlton vs Brisbane (Preview)

Reply #138 –
If we are talking about Port as an example of how to turn things around we have to look off field as well. What was it that Kochie brought to the club to creat a suitable environment for Hinkley and the players to flourish in?
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: 2015-Rnd 6 Carlton vs Brisbane (Preview)

Reply #139 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Everyone wanted Whiley to get a go and he was terrible.

Graham has already shown himself to be competent at senior level. He's clearly not on Mick's favourites list.
Ignorance is bliss.

ONWARDS AND UPWARDS!

Re: 2015-Rnd 6 Carlton vs Brisbane (Preview)

Reply #140 –
Quote from: Vivian – on
Bang on. It is inconceivable that a change of coach will suddenly see a bunch of average players become world beaters

That's an interesting thing to say as it has happened on more than one occasion. Maybe they're not world beaters but Mick should be getting the most out of his players, he's getting FA out of them now and has never got the best out of them, or near it IMO. Probably in the club's as well, the prez has stated there is talent on the list.

Why would we expect things to miraculously change?

We know good teaching can improve students in the classroom - it can also improve players on the field.

Re: 2015-Rnd 6 Carlton vs Brisbane (Preview)

Reply #141 –
And as stated previously, why do they need to be world beaters? They just need to be competitive. We can build from there.
Ignorance is bliss.

ONWARDS AND UPWARDS!

Re: 2015-Rnd 6 Carlton vs Brisbane (Preview)

Reply #142 –
Quote from: cookie2 – on
If we are talking about Port as an example of how to turn things around we have to look off field as well. What was it that Kochie brought to the club to creat a suitable environment for Hinkley and the players to flourish in?

Alan Richardson, the bloke Mick wanted to let go when he arrived at the club. :P
Ignorance is bliss.

ONWARDS AND UPWARDS!

Re: 2015-Rnd 6 Carlton vs Brisbane (Preview)

Reply #143 –
Quote from: PassIt2Carrots – on
Thry and Vivian no one has said changing the coach will make us worldbeaters, it will however make us competitive. The coach is CLEARLY responsible for motivating the players thinking different is nonsensical and unrealistic. The coach is paid 1 million+ for what exactly if not that? To implement a style of play and motivate his players to play to it. If a coach is failing at any one of these two things (in our case both) then they need to go. It's not brain surgery.

Thry I cannot believe that someone who continuously brings up examples of soccer in their posts would then turn around and say 'you can't compare a footy team to soccer'.

x2...is this the list to win a flag..No.....is this the list to be top 4..No...we should be midpack IMO and not being hammered by Collingwood, WC etc.....

Re: 2015-Rnd 6 Carlton vs Brisbane (Preview)

Reply #144 –
I believe that coached correctly and with committed players that this list is capable of a mid table finish.  This is "getting the best from what we have".

Is it acceptable... not really, but at least we would be maximising what we have and there are fewer obstacles between you and a top 4 finish from mid table as opposed to being a cellar dweller.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: 2015-Rnd 6 Carlton vs Brisbane (Preview)

Reply #145 –
@ EB and Proff E
Both absolutely correct.
 

Re: 2015-Rnd 6 Carlton vs Brisbane (Preview)

Reply #146 –
Quote from: Professer E – on
I believe that coached correctly and with committed players that this list is capable of a mid table finish.  This is "getting the best from what we have".

Is it acceptable... not really, but at least we would be maximising what we have and there are fewer obstacles between you and a top 4 finish from mid table as opposed to being a cellar dweller.

Probably right - mid table is about where this list could get as it currently stands. Certainly is far from premiership material.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: 2015-Rnd 6 Carlton vs Brisbane (Preview)

Reply #147 –
Quote from: PassIt2Carrots – on
Alan Richardson, the bloke Mick wanted to let go when he arrived at the club. :P

He punted him out of the Pies as well didn't he?.

Mick, Mick, Mick what are we to do with you.?

You can fool some of the people some of the time.......................................

Re: 2015-Rnd 6 Carlton vs Brisbane (Preview)

Reply #148 –
Quote from: PassIt2Carrots – on
I just want a bloke like Graham to get a go so we can see. Amazing that he's still in the twos when we're traveling so poorly.

The argument would be that Graham has no defensive skills and needs to learn them in the twos despite the fact he finds the footy well...
Needless to say was it Gibbs, Murphy, Judd etc who had two tackles between them vs Collingwood?.... :-X
Graham should be in the senior team learning the game..he will pick up 20 possies plus each week in the twos easy, and will learn nothing from a dud
like Webster...better he plays with Judd while he still at the club and learns something from the master..

Re: 2015-Rnd 6 Carlton vs Brisbane (Preview)

Reply #149 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Chelsea bought right and attacked for most of the season to build up their points lead and only defended in the latter part of the season to plays safe....smart manager is Jose M.
Jose developed that team of stars into a team and empowered his players, picked a hard nosed captain in Terry and let his skilled players like Eden Hazard play...he didnt send Hazard out to be defensive
player who marked opposing players....
We could learn plenty from Chelsea.....
  They play defensive football first.

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Port were a rabble under Primus like we are under Malthouse...Robbie Gray went from being a copy of Colin Sylvia  to the best player in the comp under Hinkley last season...
Schultz was a badboy lemon at Richmond who couldnt  buy a goal...now is one of the premier FF's in the comp....
http://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/J/Jay_Schulz.html

His kicking boots were on before Hinkley got there.  Has averaged 30+ goals per season since his arrival at Port Adelaide back in 2010, and kicked 40+ in the seasons that Primus were in charge, and Port were a rabble.  His major talent was making the most of limited opportunities.  Always was a good kick, had the potential to take the competition by storm in a good side.

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Why cant a Nick Graham be coached into being the next Robbie Gray, why cant Liam Jones do a Schultz?......why cant Menzel become like Chad Wingard?
What has Paul Roos done to make Jeff Garlett a new man?
 
Garlett may very well be what he is today because we cut him loose, and now he is making the most of his second chance for it.  We can never know if this would have occurred with us, or whether that status quo would remain, but we got a glimpse of his down days in round 2.

Menzel could be the next Wingard. Wingard averaged 21 posessions in 2013.  Menzel shows promise of being a wingard, one day.  he isnt the same beast at the moment, and in a more attacking game plan, might do well, but I dont think he will achieve Wingard's level without a serious growth in his ability.

Robbie Gray is another one who was always a solid player, played 7 seasons and found peak form.  Nick Graham could become like him, in time.

Laim Jones wont ever be a schultz, and I think its unfair to make the comparison.  Might be able to do a Westhoff if we are lucky, but not a Schultz. 

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Hinkley didnt rotate the squad he rotated the game plan and mindset of his players.....whats to lose in trying a new attacking model?
We have a few boys that can play their roles, but we dont have all the ingredients and most of the Port boys showed more under Primus, than our boys currently are under Malthouse, and just becuase Hinkley reorganised them doesnt mean that ours will all of a sudden become twice the player they were.

Quote from: cookie2 – on
If we are talking about Port as an example of how to turn things around we have to look off field as well. What was it that Kochie brought to the club to creat a suitable environment for Hinkley and the players to flourish in?
This.  Very much this, and I can tell you, he didnt chop the recruiting, make broad statements about rebuilding the team, and make public sentiments about the teams fortunes for the season.  He fixed the back room, and left the footy department to the football people.  If Kochie were to take over Carlton, we would probably chase him out with pitchforks because he does most of his work in Sydney, and what could he possibly achieve from there?

That is where we are different.  The leadership at the very top.  Talk is cheap, and that's all Carlton is good for.

"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson