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Re: Round 20: Carlton vs Brisbane Post Game Pain

Reply #60 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
You never know.. as Brisbane showed early tonight they are not that good and we had to apply the handbrake IMO to let them take over.....

We applied more than a hand brake....it was a stack of sleepers on the railroad tracks.

I don't discount the possibility of a manipulated result but once again it's not logical.
If we're tanking.
Why isn't Brisbane
Brisbane should be just as keen as us to secure the first pick.
They can grab the win and still manage the margin so they stay below us.
If they have their eyes set on a certain player the only way they can be sure of them is to finish last.



Re: Round 20: Carlton vs Brisbane Post Game Pain

Reply #61 –
Another awful result. If the club is tanking is shows we have truly learnt nothing from a decade of disasters. Does it matter if we are trying to lose? We are incapable of winning with such a rotten culture and a group of players that seem to have little interest in doing what is required.

We can't be tanking, we just can't. And if we are then what the hell sort of strategy is that? So we get pick 1 not 2. So what. We have 3 first picks on our list and all have disappointed. Why will the next attempt have a different result? It says little about our much vaunted 'list manager' if he can't cope with a pick 2 not 1. And by the way, a key position player selected is going to be a couple of years away minimum from regular footy. In the mean time, we have a list full of players that cannot execute skills to an adequate level. What is the club's plan to address this much greater deficiency? Because while a new head coach might be important, they are going to inherit a mess, nor can it be left entirely to them.

Fourth wooden spoon coming up after a 10 goal defeat by the previously bottom side. Say that again. Nothing that can redeem such a performance.

As for the game itself, hardly any 4 quarter players bar Cripps and Kruezer. The backline seemed to spend half their time falling over and were mostly disorganised. Midfield didn't run enough, so brisbane raffled it coming out of defence. And so little pressure from the forward line that hardly manages to actually score.

My 4 year old even countenanced the possibility of barracking for another team.  How long can such a tide be held back?

Re: Round 20: Carlton vs Brisbane Post Game Pain

Reply #62 –
Picks are not as important as developing players. If we don't learn this trade secret soon we will never prosper. The key is not the number value of the pick as much as what you develop in the selection to become something special. Hird the turn wasn't a high pick. Yet he became a scum great. I am not saying I have all the answers and am correct in my opinion either. Just putting nit out there.
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Re: Round 20: Carlton vs Brisbane Post Game Pain

Reply #63 –
Quote from: Mantis – on
Picks are not as important as developing players. If we don't learn this trade secret soon we will never prosper. The key is not the number value of the pick as much as what you develop in the selection to become something special. Hird the turn wasn't a high pick. Yet he became a scum great. I am not saying I have all the answers and am correct in my opinion either. Just putting nit out there.

Mantis it's the bleeding obvious AND it's bleeding obvious the club have no idea how to fix the problem - how long have they had and over how many drafts? The lack of development at Carlton has been nothing short of  negligent, some of these players had talent and if they'd gone to other clubs would have been successful - we simply cannot develop talent at Carlton. We're rubbish in this area and have been rubbish since probably as far back as our last premiership. We don't rebuild at Carlton included we don't develop at Carlton.

I said awhile back that we're so poor we cannot be trusted with draft picks - we'll just screw them up, we have to get the top one or two picks to ensure we don't pick a Richard Tambling like the Tigers. It has to be so simple a monkey could do it. We're probably better off picking the best developed talent at some other club and trading our picks and paying overs to at least guarantee some sort of talent. Our culture is rotten, our development structure is rubbish, we have an ineffectual board and leadership and we'll struggle to attract top line talent for years to come.
 

Re: Round 20: Carlton vs Brisbane Post Game Pain

Reply #64 –
Quote from: Lods – on
We applied more than a hand brake....it was a stack of sleepers on the railroad tracks.

I don't discount the possibility of a manipulated result but once again it's not logical.
If we're tanking.
Why isn't Brisbane
Brisbane should be just as keen as us to secure the first pick.
They can grab the win and still manage the margin so they stay below us.
If they have their eyes set on a certain player the only way they can be sure of them is to finish last.

- They know we're going to take Weitering and they want Schache so they could afford to beat us
- They have plenty of young talent that just needs developing (despite all our outs they had a younger and less experienced team on average
- Blokes like Rockliff and Robinson wanted to stick it to us
- We have more experience in tanking

Re: Round 20: Carlton vs Brisbane Post Game Pain

Reply #65 –
Oh well.
I have spent the last 15 minutes reading all your posts.

Bottom line.

We are cr@p.

Too many spuds. Rowe, Jones, Tutt, Dick to name a few.

Jammo is gone. Has terrible shoulders so he can't tackle with any intensity. Carrazzo gone. Touhey playing without any heart. Everritt is like my shower. Runs hot and cold and drives you mad because of it. Walker isn't the future. Simmo, maybe another year if the constant knocks don't finish him first.

I could go on but I won't.

Then there is the so called skills. They aint got any. Can't stick a tackle, although every attempt at a tackle gets recorded as one. In fact the only one that I saw actually stick a tackle every time he tried to do so was Cripps.

If they won't make him Captain next year because they reckon he's too young, then make him Vice Captain. He's got more ability, brains and courage in his little finger, than the rest of them have in their whole bodies.

Only two possibles at the moment for coach, as far as I'm told. Bolton the favourite because of the Clarkson connection, and Stewart Dew who was secretly interviewed this week and impressed.

Half the Board are deadwood.

SOS wants to asses all the "kids" hence the reason they are getting a go.

We do have a nucleus on which to build and we need to finish bottom for two reasons.

Firstly to get the number one pick. Secondly, because there is a chance we will get a priority pick. The club is financially rooted and Trigg has spoken to the AFL about this and the possibility of getting the PP. They haven't said no yet.

They can't afford a major club like ours to die on the vine.

As far as the supporters are concerned and the players damaging the brand and so on, forget about it.

The excitement of the draft, let's hope they don't screw it up, some decent trades, and a new coach will soon put all that to rest.

They will remove the deadwood and will show no fear or favour in doing so.

And then just watch the optimism return.

I have seen this before.

In 1964, our Centenary year, we finished 10th. It was the lowest our club had ever been.

In 1965, they went and got Barrasi, and in 68, we won the flag. And in 70, and 72 etc.

We did it once and can do it again as long as the right personnel are put in place.

And that means the Board, the CEO, the new coach and his coaching staff and the recruiting department, have to work there bums off to make it so.

It can all come together very quickly, by that I mean within 3 years like it did from 65 to 68.

The future rests in the hands of those who run the club and those that they have and will employ.

Let us hope they don't fk it up.

Re: Round 20: Carlton vs Brisbane Post Game Pain

Reply #67 –
Quote from: Dominator_7 – on
There is a base.
Cripps, Menzel, Buckley, Levi, Jaksh, Graham, Doc,
Maybe Clem, Hollman, BB, Whiley, Walsh Fields and DVR
Murphy, Kreuz, Everritt and Gibbs are young enough to still be around in 3-4 years.

Spot on, we have a great base to build up with.

If henderson isn't dropped next week Barker can go and eat a huge debrecina, seriously, drops Yarran for attitude problems but give henderson yet another chance, this time in defence. Henderson is a disgrace.
Ignorance is bliss.

ONWARDS AND UPWARDS!

Re: Round 20: Carlton vs Brisbane Post Game Pain

Reply #68 –
And Scache looks better than Weitering.
Ignorance is bliss.

ONWARDS AND UPWARDS!

Re: Round 20: Carlton vs Brisbane Post Game Pain

Reply #69 –
Quote from: MilkIt – on
- They know we're going to take Weitering and they want Schache so they could afford to beat us
- They have plenty of young talent that just needs developing (despite all our outs they had a younger and less experienced team on average
- Blokes like Rockliff and Robinson wanted to stick it to us
- We have more experience in tanking

If it's a choice between us tanking or just being an absolute basket case at the moment....I'm going to go with 'basket case.'
If we're tanking someone needs to get into Cripps' ear.
He's not following the program.
Tanking suggests we're "playing dead"
That we're better than we are actually showing.
I'm sure many of us believe the fix is in.
I suspect for many supporters though, the 'tanking theory' is a refuge for those who are struggling with how bad we actually are.

I will concede that at this stage though you would have to think that winning has now become a non-issue.
But the reality is that we are playing, and considering playing, players who are already thinking about their new team-mates.
This can't be a united playing group and there would be some players (to their credit) who are refusing to buy into anything other than an all-out effort.
These guys see the half efforts of others and that further widens any gaps in the group.
There's more to fix here than just a playing group.

Re: Round 20: Carlton vs Brisbane Post Game Pain

Reply #70 –
Jamo has said he let the loss get the better of him and he was pi55ed that Robbo played so well, hence his behaviour. He actually seemed really shattered with the loss.

Sheesh would've been nice to have Robbo on our side last night.
Ignorance is bliss.

ONWARDS AND UPWARDS!

Re: Round 20: Carlton vs Brisbane Post Game Pain

Reply #71 –
@Lods

Find the right coach and we are halfway there.
Ignorance is bliss.

ONWARDS AND UPWARDS!

Re: Round 20: Carlton vs Brisbane Post Game Pain

Reply #72 –
And seriously, WTF is David Ellard getting a full game ahead of Holman? I mean seriously WTF. Is this club fair dinkum? You have a bloke about to get delisted, getting a full game ahead of another who perhaps has a future and needs to get games into himself. WTF is this idiot club doing?

Barker has well and truly lost me and if Abdy McKay has anything to do with that then he needs to go as well.
Ignorance is bliss.

ONWARDS AND UPWARDS!

Re: Round 20: Carlton vs Brisbane Post Game Pain

Reply #73 –
Quote from: PassIt2Carrots – on
Spot on, we have a great base to build up with.

Maybe I'm the pessimist now...A year is a long time in footy :) but.....

Cripps, Menzel, Buckley, Levi, Jaksh, Graham, Doc,
Maybe Clem, Hollman, BB, Whiley, Walsh Fields and DVR

This great base is speculative at best.

I see a bit of potential in most of those players.
Fields has a nice kick.....but if we're setting him up as someone to build a team around (which is what a base is)  I'll need to see a bit more.
Your base has to be guaranteed best 22 every game.

I suspect we'll be talking about getting rid of half of that group this time next year

Re: Round 20: Carlton vs Brisbane Post Game Pain

Reply #74 –
Missing Menzel, Gibbs, Judd, Yarran, Armfield, Graham, Thomas, Casboult, White (and even Byrne and Sheehan) is just too much for the kids to compensate for. Throw in Henderson playing like he doesn't give a rusty fck and Everitt having no defensive game (or ticker) and you have a recipe for defeat. It does not bode well for the next 3 weeks. The NBs might have to borrow players from the Seaford -16s.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17