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Reply #1590 –
If you commit an act of terror you're a terrorist.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

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Reply #1591 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
If you commit an act of terror you're a terrorist.

Is murdering someone and taking a hostage an act of terror?  It seems to happen fairly often, unfortunately.

Is the nutter who killed the people in the CBD a terrorist?  Is the Port Arthur shooter a terrorist or mass murderer?

There's no generally accepted definition of terrorist or terrorism but there is some consensus that it has to be politically motivated.  For example, the anti-abortion murders and kidnappings perpetrated in the USA, Canada and Australia are recognised as acts of Christian terrorists.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

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Reply #1592 –
He was part of a group that was charged for planning an attack on an army base in Sydney a few years ago.
His plan the other day was to lure in special ops officers so he could kill them.

2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

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Reply #1593 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
He was part of a group that was charged for planning an attack on an army base in Sydney a few years ago.
His plan the other day was to lure in special ops officers so he could kill them.

He was exonerated of the Holdsworthy charges (one of my army homes!).

Perhaps he simply has a hatred of police, like so many violent criminals ...

I think he probably is a terrorist, but it's not cut and dried.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

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Reply #1594 –
Sorry, MBB but DJC is 100% correct. He's explaining this to you using facts/logic/reason and not media hysteria/hype. Mate, don't buy into the media/political hysterics. In those famous words, 'If you don't listen to the media you'll be uninformed, if you do listen to the media you'll be misinformed.' (I interpret that as mainstream media, for accuracy of information we really have to dig and watch/listen to non-commercial / unbiased reporting).
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

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Reply #1595 –
http://theantimedia.org/qatar-crisis-natural-gas-terrorism/

Im not going to pretend that the media are honest/dishonest.

Its probably that they are being used as tools to misinform and shape public interest for other political aims.

I tend to prefer things as the media being the 3 ringed circus.  Designed specifically to misinform, distract and shape public opinion, promote political gains that result in the population being dumb enough to control, and not ask the hard questions.

Read through this link.  It provides a better backdrop to why there are so many issues in this area, and from what I can understand it all goes back the same reasons why wars have always, and will always be fought. 

$$$$$$$$$$$ and Power.

People like to blame the evils of religion for mans evils, but the reality is, that the unscrupulous seek only fiscal reward, monetary gain, and will use any excuse in the book to say that its about something else, and people like to believe they are enlightened and buy these lies hook, line and sinker.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

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Reply #1596 –
Quote from: DJC – on
He was exonerated of the Holdsworthy charges (one of my army homes!).

I hate that word exonerated, because it's used in the media context that implies no involvement or that the charges were fanciful.

But generally in Australia as I understand things it means someone who was initially found guilty had the decision reversed on some grounds by a higher court, often that is a technicality such as a breach of procedure by investigators or tainted evidence.

In that respect it's different from being acquitted, which as I understand is generally a not guilty finding in the first instance.

The public perception of those terms is often the reverse because exoneration is often associated with fraudulent accusations or evidence discovered after a conviction!

It's miles away from suggesting somebody wasn't involved, or that the charges were fraudulent, wrong or fanciful.

Maybe Mav can clarify.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #1597 –
Quote from: LP – on
I hate that word exonerated, because it's used in the media context that implies no involvement or that the charges were fanciful.

But generally in Australia as I understand things it means someone who was initially found guilty had the decision reversed on some grounds by a higher court, often that is a technicality such as a breach of procedure by investigators or tainted evidence.

In that respect it's different from being acquitted, which as I understand is generally a not guilty finding in the first instance.

The public perception of those terms is often the reverse because exoneration is often associated with fraudulent accusations or evidence discovered after a conviction!

It's miles away from suggesting somebody wasn't involved, or that the charges were fraudulent, wrong or fanciful.

Maybe Mav can clarify.

Yes LP, poor choice of words on my part.

I didn't bother looking up the court reports and don't know whether the charges were dropped or whether he was found not guilty.  However, he certainly wasn't exonerated.

By the way, I refuse to refer to any of these terrorists, murderers, rapists, etc by name.  Treating them as anonymous figures doesn't increase their notoriety.  I do the same with the current POTUS.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

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Reply #1598 –
Quote from: DJC – on
By the way, I refuse to refer to any of these terrorists, murderers, rapists, etc by name.  Treating them as anonymous figures doesn't increase their notoriety.  I do the same with the current POTUS.

Agreed, we should not report their names, acts, associates, supporters or defenders.

The terrorists should never be buried, their bodies should be donated to science for dissection and training.

We should have the victims as front page news and give them all state funerals.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #1599 –
Quote from: LP – on
Agreed, we should not report their names, acts, associates, supporters or defenders.

The terrorists should never be buried, their bodies should be donated to science for dissection and training.

We should have the victims as front page news and give them all state funerals.

I understand that 200 UK Imams refused to perform the Islamic funeral ceremony for the London terrorists.  
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

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Reply #1600 –
Quote from: DJC – on
I understand that 200 UK Imams refused to perform the Islamic funeral ceremony for the London terrorists.

The crime would be that they were even asked!

But anyway, that is a religion specific issue, I'm not discriminating between terrorists of different religions. I don't want any remnant of them to become some future shrine for copy cat nutters, no grave site, no ashes, no urns, no trace!

They are just a bunch of lunatic losers, with no penis, who are erased!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #1601 –
40 pages on meaningless banter from people that have opposing views on political appointments, differing policy, choice of leaders, senates, congress, terrorism, evening the meaning of terrorism.
The effeminacy of discourse that people here think you have a choice nauseates me. England votes today and if you're British, from Britain, i feel sorry for the choices put in front of you, as it seems, sooner rather than later, the west is going to have to bail you out for a 3rd time.
We live in Low trust societies perpetuated by ideals of malfeasance to protect career criminals in maintaining control through their support funding. What will evolve, will ultimately not be shaped or changed by  political computer aficionados, otherwise know as "hackers"  or hacks. It will be changed by people in the street and currently , they are running amok in Britain

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Reply #1602 –
Quote from: malo – on
Haven't bothered with getting involved with this topic deliberately......but that last line Thry.....that is almost a perfect summary in that one line.

The difference between a Socialist Dictator & Facist dictator is .......well, absolutely nothing to those oppressed in such a regime.  They are all victims.

Mal.
Was explaining the meaning of "facist" this afternoon to my dear wife, and found myself perplexed in trying to differentiate between Mussolini and Stalin. Mal completely nailed it, and whilst I am on this thread for the first time how is the Iranian irony in blaming the US and the Saudi's for the attack yesterday, even though Daesh has put their hand up for it...
If you want a laugh, check out "Godlike Productions", half of them love the Donald, the other half want him topped. They all hated Hilary, cant blame them personally, right sex wrong person....
I was there, Blight missed!!!

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Reply #1603 –
Quote from: thrunthrublu – on
40 pages on meaningless banter from people that have opposing views on political appointments, differing policy, choice of leaders, senates, congress, terrorism, evening the meaning of terrorism.
The effeminacy of discourse that people here think you have a choice nauseates me. England votes today and if you're British, from Britain, i feel sorry for the choices put in front of you, as it seems, sooner rather than later, the west is going to have to bail you out for a 3rd time.
We live in Low trust societies perpetuated by ideals of malfeasance to protect career criminals in maintaining control through their support funding. What will evolve, will ultimately not be shaped or changed by  political computer aficionados, otherwise know as "hackers"  or hacks. It will be changed by people in the street and currently , they are running amok in Britain

Say what?  :o
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!