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Reply #1830 –
Crash summed it up perfectly.  Their education system is pathetic; that they could let kids leave school without the slightest clue of what's beyond their "lower 48" is a staggering indictment ....

I'm not into sinking the boot into Trump or Biden (what's the point?), but they're both incompetent; and God knows we have our fair share.  

Funniest thing ... I was working for TAA, a Yank flew into Melbourne and asked me about SYD flights.  Told him a strike had just been called and all operations were cancelled for the following day.

"Oh, OK, I'll take a cab".  Explained all the particulars of how that was gonna be one hell of a journey, he hired a silver top anyway.

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Reply #1831 –
Informed Americans will be voting for Howie Hawkins.

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Reply #1832 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
Informed Americans will be voting for Howie Hawkins.

Good luck finding enough of these 'informed Americans' you speak of, Pauly. 😉 😌

Biden or Trump? Holy cr@p is that nation stuffed.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

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Reply #1833 –
For me, voting for a Hawkins type figure serves two purposes :

1. a vote for someone who most closely shares my values
2. raising public awareness and building popular opposition to the political and corporate elites, who have left the average person for dead. It's not really about what can be achieved in a single election cycle - the amount of work that needs undoing and reconfiguring is too big for that. It's really about getting these ideas out there and part of everyday, majority discourse.

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Reply #1834 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
Informed Americans will be voting for Howie Hawkins.

Howie has some Russia phobia, he is a bit too unhinged for me and I reckon is stuck in the Cold War period.....too many
conspiracy theories. Biden is corrupt and and an idiot....men and women are created er " you know the thing"...thats one of Joe's classics...he still thinks Margaret Thatcher is running England, makes Trump look a genius.

Trump is a shoe in if its Trump vs Biden.....

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Reply #1835 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Howie has some Russia phobia, he is a bit too unhinged for me and I reckon is stuck in the Cold War period.....too many
conspiracy theories......................

We Lefties are all a little unhinged. That constant desire for eco justice (i.e economic and ecological) tends to have a deleterious effect on one's psyche. 

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Reply #1836 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
For me, voting for a Hawkins type figure serves two purposes :

1. a vote for someone who most closely shares my values
2. raising public awareness and building popular opposition to the political and corporate elites, who have left the average person for dead. It's not really about what can be achieved in a single election cycle - the amount of work that needs undoing and reconfiguring is too big for that. It's really about getting these ideas out there and part of everyday, majority discourse.

You know I agree with you, Pauly. It is how change comes about, a little dissension, discourse, protestation at a time, or even a non-violent revolution (but they're hard to come by). But when I look at the US, I, along with so many others, just shake our heads in disbelief... at their national ignorance on global issues helped in no small way by a religious/myopic education system, unswerving belief in an invisible man in the sky and that demon, patriotism. Still around 70% are firm believers in this malevolent Old Testament God... Holy Crap (to steel a line from George Carlin). So sad that 3 of the most powerful nations on Earth have such disappointing leadership... so it's up to the rest of us.

Unfortunately, Howie's critics have too much on him... and they'll label him with 'that' word which sends shivers through most Yanks - Socialism!!! Too much like Communism... though most wouldn't know what either word meant and, naturally, the difference... let alone how many forms of each there doth exist.

Keep up the fight, Pauly. We humans had better wake up soon. Your cause, as you mention, is economic and ecological (which I applaud) whereas mine is more your social justice/psychological health - I just reckon psychologically healthy humans are more likely to look after each other and the planet much better. Problem is most people think they're psychologically well and their opinions/life styles are just fine. At least when you can admit you're 'unhinged' you get to be honest with yourself and perhaps do something about it... or simply enjoy that lunatic glow.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

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Reply #1837 –
Vladimir Trump.

We always knew it was that way, it's no longer hidden.

First comes a civil war, then the Autocracy.

The morons do not even see the similarity!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #1838 –


I think it is more this?
Reality always wins in the end.

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Reply #1839 –
Obama was a great leader and it made no difference. Black Lives Matter was actually formed during his reign, the country is a crap hole.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

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Reply #1840 –
Quote from: LP – on
Vladimir Trump.

We always knew it was that way, it's no longer hidden.

First comes a civil war, then the Autocracy.

Hitler had the German hearts and minds, the majority believed in him......dont think Trump on his best day could have claim to have similar mass appeal...Interesting that Adolf was planning on dropping a nuclear bomb on New York...that might have changed politics a bit in the USA.

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Reply #1841 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Obama was a great leader and it made no difference. Black Lives Matter was actually formed during his reign....................

An average president who effected no real meaningful change, and could only be considered in the positive when judged against the dismally low standards of his immediate predecessors and his immediate successor.

https://truthout.org/articles/a-mixed-story-ranging-from-criminal-to-moderate-improvement-noam-chomsky-on-obama-s-legacy/

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Reply #1842 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
An average president who effected no real meaningful change, and could only be considered in the positive when judged against the dismally low standards of his immediate predecessors and his immediate successor.

https://truthout.org/articles/a-mixed-story-ranging-from-criminal-to-moderate-improvement-noam-chomsky-on-obama-s-legacy/

Given the seemingly constant freefall the once great nation that is USA has been in pre and post Obama, the fact that he was able to stop that from continuing could be considered a minor miracle!

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Reply #1843 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Given the seemingly constant freefall the once great nation that is USA has been in pre and post Obama, the fact that he was able to stop that from continuing could be considered a minor miracle!

The same problems that have plagued the country for decades continued under Obama, following essentially the same policies. Yes, he was better than the worst president in US history (Trump), and better than the second worst (GW Bush), but these standards are so low as to be rendered almost meaningless.

Nice rhetoric, nice words, but not nearly enough action to address significant problems. Cornel West has called Obama a black mascot for Wall Street, and I can see where he's coming from.

His ascension to the presidency highlights a big problem for black Americans, which is that individual upward mobility has supplanted communal benefit and improvement in the lives, standards etc. of coloured people. You can have people like Obama living wealthy successful lives, but for most blacks, improvement just isn't there.

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Reply #1844 –
Thanks to the 22nd amendment, he's not there.