Carlton Supporters Club

Senator Bernie Sanders has delivered a withering assessment of the state of the Democratic Party after Kamala Harris’ election defeat.

Sanders, who contested the Democratic presidential nomination in 2016 and 2020, shared a statement to X, saying that it should come as “no great surprise that a Democratic Party which has abandoned working-class people would find that the working class has abandoned them”.

“While the Democratic leadership defends the status quo, the American people are angry and want change. And they’re right.”

Sanders’ statement said the party had first been abandoned by the white working class, and now also by the black and Latino working class.

The long-standing Vermont senator argued that the worsening standard of living, lack of healthcare and continued funding for the “extremist Netanyahu government’s” war in Gaza were reasons for the discontent in the US.

“Will the big money interests and well-paid consultants who control the Democratic Party learn any real lessons from this disastrous campaign?” Sanders asked.

“Probably not,” he concluded.

He's right of course. But Trump isn't the answer, and Sanders has a history of siding with Democrats even though he is ostensibly an Independent, a position that has both baffled and frustrated me for years.

I'm no fan of the Dems, but they were certainly up against it when you consider that Fox, Twitter and others essentially function as propaganda arms for the GOP.

There is bias on media outlets on both sides of politics but the Dems used A grade celebrities in addition to media which reached 10s of millions of their fans. Swift, Pink, J-Lo, Katie Perry, Springsteen, Arnold, Handler, Pitt, DiCaprio and there was many more - seemed a smart tactic as young fans are the ones who can be influenced best. 

In any event nothing helped the Dems they were smashed as folks living there made there selection after having enough of 4 years of the current administration

KRudd clearly can't be in that role anymore.

Yes, to some extent that's true. But the media outlets that support the Dems are not nearly as driven, ruthless and deceitful as outlets like Fox, nor do they have a similar reach. The Dominion scandal is one case among many. The "both sides" argument needs to have genuine equivalence, otherwise it's just dogma IMO.

Quote from: shawny – on November 07, 2024, 11:23:59 am

There is bias on media outlets on both sides of politics but the Dems used A grade celebrities in addition to media which reached 10s of millions of their fans. Swift, Pink, J-Lo, Katie Perry, Springsteen, Arnold, Handler, Pitt, DiCaprio and there was many more - seemed a smart tactic as young fans are the ones who can be influenced best. 

In any event nothing helped the Dems they were smashed as folks living there made there selection after having enough of 4 years of the current administration

Yes, to some extent that's true. But the media outlets that support the Dems are not nearly as driven, ruthless and deceitful as outlets like Fox, nor do they have a similar reach. The Dominion scandal is one case among many. The "both sides" argument needs to have genuine equivalence, otherwise it's just dogma IMO.

Yes but that's purely subjective depending on which side of the fence you sit on. 

Could that drop in numbers partially be explained by the fact that some of the West Coast States, Hawaii and Alaska haven't fully reported yet.
There'd be a big swag of Dem votes in some of those states.
(California only half counted last time I looked.)
It won't make a difference to the result, but it may make a difference to the total turnout numbers and even the popular vote figures

Democrats only have themselves to blame - if you don't vote don't bitch about the result.

My US associates assert this years election was decided on local / state issues, much of which we see zero coverage of from our local media. They pegged this years election as based in generational and religious differences, with both groups looking for someone to blame for the state of affairs.

The bulk of voters don't give a stuff about what gets presented to us as "the big issues", like Trump's Great Wall or Illegal Immigration.

But there is a catch in that perspective, because when I ask some of them what Trump is going to do for "them" they either can't answer or see Trump as a problem not a cure, the cure for them is the local senator. Most of my contacts in health, R&D and science are expecting things to get worse under Trump for Joe Average.

However, when I ask the industrial segment business owners and managers the same question, they answer "deregulation", basically they want the Feds out of the way and Trump will do that for them. I'm not sure that is great for Joe Average either, I suppose that is why Gina was on hand to party, she is about to get fracked and ironically it will be based on low cost foreign labourers!

On 3AW just now 'Kevin Rudd has removed all his anti Trump tweets and messages on social media'

Another 2 faced politician when it didn't suit him he quickly changed his tune so how genuine where his comments then?

Not the right person to be our ambassador and needs to be replaced as Trump is very aware of all those who berated him so cant see Mr Rudd pulling the wool over his eyes and it will affect us moving forward.

Trump has promised tax cuts, Harris and crew were increasing tax, read an article that suggested recent surveys about why people voted Trump back in were mainly economic reasons ..................