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Reply #4470 –
Quote from: shawny – on
trumpstar implementing mandatory death sentence for murder of a officer.

geez i wish our politicians had his balls.

Didn't one of Trump's Jan 6 insurrection knobs murder a cop? Rhetorical question... the answer is yes.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

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Reply #4471 –
I'm reminded of the quote by Albert Einstein in relation to political ideology... paraphrased... 'Anyone who aligns totally with any political ideology no longer has use for most their brain, as they will march lock-step with those who share the same and think what they're told to by leaders of their chosen ideology. All they need is their brain stem, so they can agree with others who share the same ideology, eat, sleep, work and cr@p'. Independent thought is non-existent.

As for this confusing woke word. To me it's something after having slept! I've met a number of 'woke' folks and they varying greatly in attitude, from those wanting to help/raise up the marginalized to those who want to destroy the wealthy! From compassionate to angry. I also see the same with conservatives and progressives I know. Seems to be that the angry ones get all the attention.

If I was pressed for a political ideology I'd probably go with humanitarianism.

Hate Trump? Nuh. Narcissists live in an inner world of debilitating fear, deep feelings of inadequacy and loneliness. Their need to compensate (extreme over compensation) for these things is sad... and dangerous to all around them. Their view of the world is so very narrow, intellectually and psychologically myopic to the extreme.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

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Reply #4472 –
Quote from: shawny – on
Quote from: DJC – on


Apart from the fact that I find it hilarious that you believe LP is left leaning, there’s no need for personal abuse.  Posts that don’t comply with our rules will be deleted.

If you or others find it offensive that after 1000s of replies I've made I lose my cool to a personal reply that if you took the time to read back you may see why i got heated then nevertheless i apologise.

I was waiting for you to be honest as i knew considering who it was directed at you wouldn't have been able to let it slide.

Anyhow I've been tossing up leaving the site and my frustration in that reply shows the time may have come.

I appreciate your apology Shawny.  These discussions can get heated, as we all know, but it is important to try not to play the man.

I don't read every post but, if you think that mods have missed any inappropriate comments let me know by PM.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

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Reply #4473 –
Question?

When was the last time someone got a suspension from the site?

I cant recall this happening at all for the better part of a couple years.

Back in the day it was every other week.

I think a lot of the angst can be sorted out very quickly by stepping in before it gets to the stage it gets too.

There seems to be a relatively common thread of late which a few have picked up on, but its certainly not limited to recently.

Instead of people grabbing the popcorn, perhaps step in before things escalate.

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Reply #4474 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Question?

When was the last time someone got a suspension from the site?

I cant recall this happening at all for the better part of a couple years.

Back in the day it was every other week.

I think a lot of the angst can be sorted out very quickly by stepping in before it gets to the stage it gets too.

There seems to be a relatively common thread of late which a few have picked up on, but its certainly not limited to recently.

Instead of people grabbing the popcorn, perhaps step in before things escalate.

It was never "every other week"
Bannings and suspensions have always been used sparingly.
I'd hazard a guess that over the years we've banned less than 20 people.

I'm actually pleased that for the last four or five years it hasn't been necessary.
Even the conflicts haven't been that serious.
There will always be differences of opinions.
These may sometimes result in a conflict.
I recall a post you made a few weeks back regarding another poster's posting style.
There was no relevance to the thread.
The post was simply a 'personal shot across the bows'.
It was touch and go whether it was deleted.
Personal attacks aren't a widespread issue.
It's a balance between an over-moderated site and a bit of give and take.
If folks want us to play the hard ball we can probably go that way....but that might mean a much trimmer site in terms of participation.


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Reply #4475 –
Some want to make use of "being offended" to avoid debating issues, especially in the surrounds of repeated or received wisdoms which are often vacuous claims, no matter the source.

It shouldn't be the case we have to avoid calling out such fake claims or highlighting diversions just to avoid some synthetic offense. It's not the world's problem that some can't accept it as it is, or fail to cope with how it is changing. This forum and any other online or otherwise cannot and must not be an echo chamber for the global disaffected.

What we see with Red Trump are the desperate throws of the old world refusing to let go, the dying of the light, and as Thomas begged they "Do not go gently into that good night..........!", for the rest there is history learn from, and the night approaches still!

How to deal with reality when bombarded by it, there is no respite from reality and the frustration must be enormous, it's everywhere and contradicts so much of a certain perspective?

The fanatic is always concealing a secret doubt! ;)

@DJC‍ Leftie indeed, do I get sent a badge? @PaulP  and @northernblue will be proud of me! :D
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #4476 –
Interesting News Ltd want to paint Red Trump's communists links as the "latest rumour", ignoring and not reporting the fact these allegations have been in existence for almost 40 years, not helped by his alleged repeated and historical threats to move his wealth to Russia if the US continued investigating his activities in the late 90s and early 00s. That's the genesis of my McCarthy reference, it's not something new and it has never gone away.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #4477 –
Quote from: LP – on
Some want to make use of "being offended" to avoid debating issues, especially in the surrounds of repeated or received wisdoms which are often vacuous claims, no matter the source.

It shouldn't be the case we have to avoid calling out such fake claims or highlighting diversions just to avoid some synthetic offense. It's not the world's problem that some can't accept it as it is, or fail to cope with how it is changing. This forum and any other online or otherwise cannot and must not be an echo chamber for the global disaffected.

What we see with Red Trump are the desperate throws of the old world refusing to let go, the dying of the light, and as Thomas begged they "Do not go gently into that good night..........!", for the rest there is history learn from, and the night approaches still!

How to deal with reality when bombarded by it, there is no respite from reality and the frustration must be enormous, it's everywhere and contradicts so much of a certain perspective?

The fanatic is always concealing a secret doubt! ;)

@DJC‍ Leftie indeed, do I get sent a badge? @PaulP  and @northernblue will be proud of me! :D

🤣🤣
No doubt the older I get the more pinko I’m getting, I just don’t see the point in kicking the downtrodden.
We need leaders, we have dividers, a bunch of self serving meglamaniacs who don’t care for humans, law, democracy or justice.
Show me the money…

I can’t comprehend the blind worship by their followers, even those who have no vested interest, not a citizen, cannot vote but slavishly worship and promote their every word.

Let’s go BIG !

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Reply #4478 –
Quote from: northernblue – on
I can’t comprehend the blind worship by their followers, even those who have no vested interest, not a citizen, cannot vote but slavishly worship and promote their every word.
It's bizarre isn't it, and when pressed you get a response delivering a bunch of disconnected reasoning largely irrelevant or completely external to the frame of reference.

This week reports have surfaced strongly connecting this mindset to ideas formed through ideologies driven by state actors, not an accident but a deliberate attempt to cause disruption. The state actors doing this are immune to the same tactic, because freedoms like freedom of speech and freedom of public opinion do not exist in those domains.

Then, every so often, you get a more coherent stream of discussion appear but it never persists, and that variability makes you wonder if it's also deliberate or chaotic on an individual level. To me that's a sign of a bigger problem, a general dissatisfaction that has been triggered by an external locus, the result becomes irrational.

But I quoted that line from Le Carré because that is the state actors weakness, they are fanatics, and by that very nature they are paranoid.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #4479 –
Quote from: northernblue – on
Quote from: LP – on
Some want to make use of "being offended" to avoid debating issues, especially in the surrounds of repeated or received wisdoms which are often vacuous claims, no matter the source.

It shouldn't be the case we have to avoid calling out such fake claims or highlighting diversions just to avoid some synthetic offense. It's not the world's problem that some can't accept it as it is, or fail to cope with how it is changing. This forum and any other online or otherwise cannot and must not be an echo chamber for the global disaffected.

What we see with Red Trump are the desperate throws of the old world refusing to let go, the dying of the light, and as Thomas begged they "Do not go gently into that good night..........!", for the rest there is history learn from, and the night approaches still!

How to deal with reality when bombarded by it, there is no respite from reality and the frustration must be enormous, it's everywhere and contradicts so much of a certain perspective?

The fanatic is always concealing a secret doubt! ;)

@DJC‍ Leftie indeed, do I get sent a badge? @PaulP  and @northernblue will be proud of me! :D

🤣🤣
No doubt the older I get the more pinko I’m getting, I just don’t see the point in kicking the downtrodden.
We need leaders, we have dividers, a bunch of self serving meglamaniacs who don’t care for humans, law, democracy or justice.
Show me the money…

I can’t comprehend the blind worship by their followers, even those who have no vested interest, not a citizen, cannot vote but slavishly worship and promote their every word.


Blind worship happens when countries get to a very low point and the poor huddled masses will turn to anything or anyone for change as we saw with Adolf Hitler and the Nazi party. When this happens its more a reflection of the incumbent Government and the alternatives. Dutton will probably get elected on the same premise as Hitler with anything being better than the Labor Party who have presided over a tough global economic period.
If you ask a lot of voters they probably dont like any politicians much but will vote for the ones who they think can make their lives more comfortable even if they dislike and disapprove of them personally.

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Reply #4480 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
If you ask a lot of voters they probably dont like any politicians much but will vote for the ones who they think can make their lives more comfortable even if they dislike and disapprove of them personally.
Isn't the fundamental problem people trying to assert blame for things that are largely out of their control, and for that matter out out of the control of pretty much anybody and everybody.

For example, we get people blaming the current Victorian circumstance on the lockdowns and pandemic measures, but here is the rub, it's not just Victoria facing these problems, they are global, so it can't be the case having or not having lockdowns would have changed the current circumstance for locals complaining. What we are experiencing today are the compounded circumstances of a global pandemic, not an effect of local decisions and local circumstances.

The same applies when RedTrump lays blame or takes credit, it takes very little thought to debunk, but you have to be willing to think about events and not just be out there looking for an excuse. The distraction created by RedTrump is as damaging or potentially even more damaging than the influence he exerts which is largely minimal, he wastes everybody's time.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #4481 –
Quote from: LP – on
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
If you ask a lot of voters they probably dont like any politicians much but will vote for the ones who they think can make their lives more comfortable even if they dislike and disapprove of them personally.
Isn't the fundamental problem people trying to assert blame for things that are largely out of their control, and for that matter out out of the control of pretty much anybody and everybody.

For example, we get people blaming the current Victorian circumstance on the lockdowns and pandemic measures, but here is the rub, it's not just Victoria facing these problems, they are global, so it can't be the case having or not having lockdowns would have changed the current circumstance for locals complaining. What we are experiencing today are the compounded circumstances of a global pandemic, not an effect of local decisions and local circumstances.

The same applies when RedTrump lays blame or takes credit, it takes very little thought to debunk, but you have to be willing to think about events and not just be out there looking for an excuse. The distraction created by RedTrump is as damaging or potentially even more damaging than the influence he exerts which is largely minimal, he wastes everybody's time.
A lot of voters don't care and therefore don't overthink or read the fine print of what Politicians are offering.
If offered $1000 cash or cuts to fuel taxes, mortgage rates, power bills I think you would find most average punters will take the cash and not bother doing the maths on the second offer which could be worth more.
Then there is the selling technique, Trump keeps it simple and doesn't over complicate and knows popularist offerings have to be part of his sales pitch even though he has other items on his personal agenda with higher priority.
Hitler promised jobs, prosperity and greater German glory, he just forgot to tell the average German citizen it's going to cost you way more than you think.
Complete lunatic but great salesman...

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Reply #4482 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
If offered $1000 cash or cuts to fuel taxes, mortgage rates, power bills I think you would find most average punters will take the cash and not bother doing the maths on the second offer which could be worth more.
They might be doing the math today, because the pension funds along with the billionaire incomes are heading south, and that means more cuts to jobs and dividends.

The bigger question is this, given RedTrump has already been busy cutting jobs via his BulletDoge social services terrorist team, did they know this slump was coming and got in early, or is it just a lucky coincidence they have a head start on recovering the losse$ through job cuts?

btw. As is the want of a bully, RedTrump's crew seem to be primarily targeting cuts against those in a position of least strength, TPI or PTSD veterans, disabled, all sorts of part-timers who were boosting pensions with public service work are getting the chop.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #4483 –
Musk is blaming the Ukraine for the "X" DDoS and Tesla's falling value, what a piece of sh1t he has turned into!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #4484 –
If there are 600,000 jobs in the public service that are going - @$80kpa, that is $48b saved (but then there is less tax collected and more social services to pay).  Tax cuts are supposed to cost 450b per year for 10 years (4.5Tr).  Reducing/removing livlihoods (eg US farmers making produce for USAid programs, introducing tarriffs overnight), shutting down some museums etc will smash community and the social requirements that a government is required to nurture through support.

I don't understand the long term benefits.

In dangerous territory here - this is from Carrick Ryan's FB page.  I don't know who he is - lists himself as a Former Federal Agent and Media commentator.  It is this kind of dismantling of governance that is disturbing.

Lost in the noise of the past two weeks, not many people noticed that Trump took some unprecedented steps to nullify the one branch of Government he doesn't completely control - the judiciary.
Firstly, he fired any Justice Department prosecutors who participated in investigations against him, and removed the security clearances of any former intelligence officials who have criticised him publicly, including former President Biden.
He signed an executive order removing the security clearances and banning from federal buildings for any lawyer that was found to have assisted in impeachment investigations against him. Even those acting pro-bono.
He signed an executive order banning not-for profit workers from a federal loan forgiveness scheme if they were deemed to have engaged in "improper" activities. This would likely include any not-for profits that challenge his policies in court.
He then signed an executive order requiring any plaintiff wishing to challenge the legality of Trump's actions in court to provide, up front, a bond covering the totality of the Government's legal costs, to be forfeited in full if the case fails.
These are all clearly designed to deter anyone from using the courts to restrain him, and they will work.
Almost no one will have the money available to provide the necessary bond to even get their day in court, and even if they did... how many lawyers would want to take that job?
It should be noted that this is exactly how Putin took control of Russia. Make resistance too costly. Intimidate the public into apathy.
Trump has been President for 47 days.