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Reply #3450 – July 13, 2024, 04:55:51 pm

Macca, David (DJC) and EB1... thank you fellas for your thoughtful and articulate contributions here, took this little black duck down memory lane - a pretty dark lane.

David, so sorry mate you had to cop the violent side of PTSD. There're kind of two camps of PTSD, those who internalise (moi) and those who take it out on the world around them. Things are getting better now but sheesh, it'd be a horror story to know what went (is going) on behind many closed family doors after WW1&2 / Vietnam / Middle East / Iraq & Afghanistan. And the effects on kids of subsequent generations.

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Reply #3451 – July 13, 2024, 05:59:47 pm

You know I'm simply going to retract all my statements. Let you boomers say you had it tougher. I'll console the kids with masters degrees who can't find jobs housing and pay for basics and you guys can have the win.

We all had a picnic growing up and don't know struggle.

Happy now?

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Reply #3452 – July 13, 2024, 06:07:21 pm

Quote from: Thryleon – on July 13, 2024, 05:59:47 pm

You know I'm simply going to retract all my statements.

I think the error you're making is assuming one set of circumstances are tougher than another, it's quite wrong, the troubles were just different neither better or worse.

Further in this era a lot of "troubles" are amplified by social media, the issues were largely similar years back but also largely invisible. It's wrong to think the lack of reporting or records means less occurrence.

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Reply #3453 – July 13, 2024, 06:07:59 pm

Geez Thry 🙄
I’m 57 and everyone thinks they had the best childhood and the toughest upbringing.
I personally see people with discretionary spending that’s their choice, some of them don’t want to own that…
Is life today difficult, yeah.
So make choices and sacrifice if you need and achieve what YOU want, not what the Neighbours have.

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Reply #3454 – July 13, 2024, 08:37:53 pm

Quote from: Thryleon – on July 13, 2024, 05:59:47 pm

You know I'm simply going to retract all my statements. Let you boomers say you had it tougher. I'll console the kids with masters degrees who can't find jobs housing and pay for basics and you guys can have the win.

We all had a picnic growing up and don't know struggle.

Happy now?

My son is in his 30s Thry. He has advanced his career a lot faster than I ever managed but is still in middle management (in cyber security). He is paying off a house and two apartments and is often at odds with his real estate agents because he rejects their advice about increasing rents.

He is hard working, compassionate, has travelled extensively, is politically aware and is very concerned about social justice and environmental degradation.

My daughter is in her 40s and manages a medical imaging facility. She and her partner have also travelled extensively, they have a house in regional Victoria that is worth in excess of $1.5M and will have two children in private school next year. She is politically aware, is involved in many social justice issues at home and overseas, and is concerned about loss of biodiversity.

They have done well for themselves, particularly when you consider their working class origins and the hardships they endured as children. Obviously, they are highly intelligent people with outstanding moral compasses - inherited from their mother. They would carefully consider your position Thry, and reject it as completely lacking in theory, evidence and logic.

I guess they are the antithesis of generational profiling … a flawed concept if ever there was one.

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Reply #3455 – July 13, 2024, 08:52:50 pm

Joe Avati said it best, gen X had it the worst. Bashed by our parents and now bashed by our kids.

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Reply #3456 – July 13, 2024, 08:53:57 pm

DJC you are a complete flog.

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Reply #3457 – July 13, 2024, 08:58:40 pm

I think most people just want to be heard, and have their stories listened to and acknowledged.

Suffering is not a competition. You need to be able to feel other people's pain, and you need to see your suffering in the suffering of others.

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Reply #3458 – July 13, 2024, 08:59:49 pm

Quote from: PaulP – on July 13, 2024, 08:58:40 pm

I think most people just want to be heard, and have their stories listened to and acknowledged.

Suffering is not a competition. You need to be able to feel other people's pain, and you need to see your suffering in the suffering of others.

But my kids are doing fine you must just be a complainer.

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Reply #3459 – July 13, 2024, 09:23:07 pm

Quote from: Thryleon – on July 13, 2024, 05:59:47 pm

You know I'm simply going to retract all my statements. Let you boomers say you had it tougher. I'll console the kids with masters degrees who can't find jobs housing and pay for basics and you guys can have the win.

We all had a picnic growing up and don't know struggle.

Happy now?

Thry, What I said wasnt to diminish how tough it is today for young folk today and I appreciate being able to pay for the basics in life is a struggle for many and why we have increases in homeless folk and people living in vans and cars.
I have had to help one of my children out to pay medical bills now that he has a child and his wife is no longer working and I know one wage doesnt cut it anymore unlike when I was a child and most families were single wage households.
The thing that has changed dramatically is the gap between rich and poor and how even on two decent incomes a family can still struggle to keep their head above water in todays modern society and how a University education is no guarantee of being able to cope with the cost of modern living and thats something I acknowledge that Boomers wouldnt have experienced.

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Reply #3460 – July 13, 2024, 09:26:28 pm

Quote from: madbluboy – on July 13, 2024, 08:53:57 pm

DJC you are a complete flog.

I have tried to accommodate your weirdness MBB but you have crossed the line now.

Still, reactionary halfwits who wouldn’t know if a horse was up them are good for the site 🙂

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Reply #3461 – July 13, 2024, 09:30:57 pm

Well you just proved Thry's point about being to old and out of touch . Congratulations boomer!

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Reply #3462 – July 13, 2024, 09:34:15 pm

Quote from: madbluboy – on July 13, 2024, 09:30:57 pm

Well you just proved Thry's point about being to old and out of touch . Congratulations boomer!

there ends the lesson. 70 year old people should enjoy their retirement. They might very well be the last ones who get one.

The point I was making wasn't about who had it harder it was about the capability of understanding the challenges from a position of leadership (affluence) of the people who aren't going to have the same opportunities.

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Reply #3463 – July 13, 2024, 11:31:04 pm

Let's take the heat out of the debate.
We are obviously from a range of different generations, each with their own challenges.
We have a range of different life experiences all of which contribute to our perceptions and opinions.

'Boomer' seems to be a term that has now taken on a strange derogatory connotation.
It's used as an insult.
I find it that a bit strange because those kids born in the 40s, 50s and early 60s can't be held repsonsible for the timing of their birth.
The fact is that our make up is not just a result of some perceived inequity in opportunities.
It's from a whole range of life experiences, and if opportunity existed how we managed those opportunities, and choices we made.
I certainly don't think it was tougher back in the day...but it wasn't a dream run and that seems to get lost a lot in these conversations about different time periods.
Higher education was cheaper, much cheaper...but I seem to remember losing half my classmates and friends in Year 10 when situations at home required them to go out and get jobs.
So there were swings and roundabouts.
I remember around Year 10-11 there was a bit of uncertainty as to whether we'd be heading off to Uni when we finished school or to Vietnam.
The protest movements of the 60s and trade Union fights for working conditions in the 60s and 70s also had strong representation from "Boomers".

It wasn't worse than it is today.
The challenges were just different.
And in 30-40 years time the young folk of the day will complain about the current 30-40 year olds.

And yes, as I think Thry is getting at, It is the leaders who are the ones who can make a real difference.
The very first step, and of course it would be expensive, would be to make higher education free for all and wipe the HECS debts.

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Reply #3464 – July 13, 2024, 11:42:11 pm

Quote from: Lods – on July 13, 2024, 11:31:04 pm

It wasn't worse than it is today.
The challenges were just different.
And in 30-40 years time the young folk of the day will complain about the current 30-40 year olds.

Agreed , the moment a declaration is made regarding superiority or inferiority, it's a declaration of ignorance, because the relative experience is not comparable.