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Re: Should we chase Josh Schache?

Reply #75 –
Drafts are only as good as your recruiting department make them.  LD-U looks a solid early pick at this stage, expected to go very early.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: Should we chase Josh Schache?

Reply #76 –
Nick Holman....been tearing it up in the SANFL, dont be surprised if he gets another crack, very popular with his ex team-mates...

Re: Should we chase Josh Schache?

Reply #77 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Nick Holman....been tearing it up in the SANFL, dont be surprised if he gets another crack, very popular with his ex team-mates...

That's great news. He's one of the unluckier delistees we've ever had... I was very surprised. Knew how to find the ball and was a very good kick (unusually for our blokes at the time). I hope he gets another crack somewhere.

Re: Should we chase Josh Schache?

Reply #78 –
Quote from: jeza – on
That's great news. He's one of the unluckier delistees we've ever had... I was very surprised. Knew how to find the ball and was a very good kick (unusually for our blokes at the time). I hope he gets another crack somewhere.

Be a rookie chance with us if he doesnt get picked up by another club IMO.....agree he was unlucky, has really improved his all round game and is now a goal kicker.

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Reply #79 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Nick Holman....been tearing it up in the SANFL, dont be surprised if he gets another crack, very popular with his ex team-mates...

Great news. Always liked this kid, great attitude.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

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Reply #80 –
Quote from: BluePhantom – on
Fair enough but we still cannot kick enough goals.
We have built the defence.
Next the midfield. ( we are all getting old )
Now the forward line as we find the backline is too old..... Start again.
I know it is a process but sheesh, we are all clocking up years as we watch our club sit at the bottom of the ladder. It's like it is the inverse of the ladder we grew up!  :o

Good post.

On the glass half full side... we are playing 9-12 kids less than 20 years old and we're in most games and have actually won 3.

With the common theory being once you get more than 2 teenagers in the team you won't win we really shouldn't be winning ANY games. Whilst we're in this period of not being a contender it's easy to miss the fact we've got the most exciting list in the AFL - bar GWS.

Things we've never done prior to SOS arriving:

* Actively trade out experienced players to get draft picks
* Nailed 2 drafts
* Nailed late draft picks like Silvagni, Williamson, Mcreadie, etc.
* We've got more former first round draft picks on our list that any other club (bar GWS).

The next step in the process (as I understand what Trigg/etc. have said) is to hand pick some more experienced midfield support to combine with the draft talent we've already brought in to create a premiership contending list. I really hope we can get a Jones / Kelly / etc. to actually choose Carlton. As we know it's one thing to want it's another to get.

All of this guarantees nothing but gee it's good to see us doing things properly for a change.

Re: Should we chase Josh Schache?

Reply #81 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Nick Holman....been tearing it up in the SANFL, dont be surprised if he gets another crack, very popular with his ex team-mates...

Thought at the time we pulled the trigger too early delisting this kid. I liked the little I saw of him.

Didn't get much of a chance IMO. He was a clean ball user and looked a decent decision maker in the limited time he had - recall him a few times receiving the ball in the corridor and under a bit of heat hitting a leading forward lace out. Makes you wonder why he gets the flick yet player like Graham who while he gets it more uses it poorly too often to be a regular senior player. 

Don't know the rules but are we in the box seat if we want him back or do we have to hope he is not wanted by any other club?


 

Re: Should we chase Josh Schache?

Reply #82 –
I think Holman's trouble is he is a bit slow at his size and shape, I recall him being a slower taller version of Graham.

At AFL level there are guys 5cm or 10cm taller, 5kg to 10kg heavier, who are as fast or faster than Holman.

He'd be competing for midfield roles with Cripps, C.Curnow, E.Curnow, Gibbs, Murphy, etc., etc.. and away from the midfield he competes with the likes of Plowman, Docherty, Byrne, etc., etc..

They all have him covered in one way or another.

I can't recall if he had both sides, he'd need it as like Sam Mitchell it helps cover for the lack of pace. It makes a player appear faster because they can always turn into space.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Should we chase Josh Schache?

Reply #83 –
Quote from: shawny – on
Thought at the time we pulled the trigger too early delisting this kid. I liked the little I saw of him.

Didn't get much of a chance IMO. He was a clean ball user and looked a decent decision maker in the limited time he had - recall him a few times receiving the ball in the corridor and under a bit of heat hitting a leading forward lace out. Makes you wonder why he gets the flick yet player like Graham who while he gets it more uses it poorly too often to be a regular senior player. 

Don't know the rules but are we in the box seat if we want him back or do we have to hope he is not wanted by any other club?

Holman is free to a good home, we have no call on him at all, ..its the same as Jarryd Cachia who won a place back as a rookie after being delisted...
Cachia polled well in the Magarey when he was rookied and I would expect Holman to do similar which probably means he will attract some other clubs attention...
Not sure SOS would go the previous recruiters ex pick as a draftee for the main list but he might look at Holman as a rookie as he is still a young player.

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Reply #84 –
Quote from: LP – on
I think Holman's trouble is he is a bit slow at his size and shape, I recall him being a slower taller version of Graham.

At AFL level there are guys 5cm or 10cm taller, 5kg to 10kg heavier, who are as fast or faster than Holman.

He'd be competing for midfield roles with Cripps, C.Curnow, E.Curnow, Gibbs, Murphy, etc., etc.. and away from the midfield he competes with the likes of Plowman, Docherty, Byrne, etc., etc..

They all have him covered in one way or another.

I can't recall if he had both sides, he'd need it as like Sam Mitchell it helps cover for the lack of pace. It makes a player appear faster because they can always turn into space.

Holman is 189cm and 87kg , apart from Cripps he is bigger than any of our other mids, agree he isnt quick but he is a rugged strong unit now and a real tackling machine...for nothing on the rookie list I reckon he could be value....

Re: Should we chase Josh Schache?

Reply #85 –
I was astounded we got rid of Holman...at the time, our list had far bigger problems than this kid.
"...that's the thing about opinion - you don't have to know anything to have one..."  Andre Agassi commenting on Pat Cash 2004
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Re: Should we chase Josh Schache?

Reply #86 –
Always rated the kid.... tough gig getting on - and staying on - an AFL list.

Take him back in a heartbeat.

Finals, then 4 in a row!

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Reply #87 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Holman is 189cm and 87kg , apart from Cripps he is bigger than any of our other mids, agree he isnt quick but he is a rugged strong unit now and a real tackling machine...for nothing on the rookie list I reckon he could be value....

Agree!

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Reply #88 –
Quote from: Wet Willie – on
I was astounded we got rid of Holman...at the time, our list had far bigger problems than this kid.

Ive had this discussion with a few people before regarding different players across different codes.

I think sometimes the call is made not because of where they are, but due to where they could potentially go, and how well the scope is there for them to reach that.

You will always find that the blokes we are always talking about were "good enough" for the level, but had limited scope to improve beyond that.

Holman irrespective of what we thought of him, just didn't get enough of the footy for a bloke who spent meaningful time in the middle.

http://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/N/Nick_Holman.html

http://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/N/Nick_Graham.html

Graham is a year younger, and was showing him up at the time, to ease the concerns of people not understanding that decision.  The other side of it, is what we didn't see.  There may have been no real issue with him, but we needed to change directions and do so quickly seeing us go with new blood over old blood and then the decision was made to keep blokes who were showing enough of the right sort of attitude and get rid of blokes who might not have been quite as committed.

Bolton was already with us at the time, so he got to see what Holman is all about before we made that call. 



"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: Should we chase Josh Schache?

Reply #89 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Holman is 189cm and 87kg , apart from Cripps he is bigger than any of our other mids, agree he isnt quick but he is a rugged strong unit now and a real tackling machine...for nothing on the rookie list I reckon he could be value....

But I think that was his problem, when he came in he had the reputation but didn't deliver on it, I think it was because of his lack of pace at AFL level. He was just out of too many contests.

If you could carry just one slowish inside midfielder assuming Kreuzer keeps his main rucking role, who would you choose Cripps or Holman? Obviously Cripps.

Now that C.Curnow is at the club, who gives Cripps a midfield chop out, C.Curnow or Holman, Charlie gets the nod for me.

I too liked Holman, but I just can't see him displacing the guys we have as first choice options. If we had to fill some spots on the list I'd like to see a few really hard at it fast breakaway types.

Look at how our team full of kids nearly de-constructed Norps game plan at the weekend, do they have too many Holman types in their rotation?
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"