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Las Vegas Mass Shooting

Wow!  Some guy unleashed a machine gun from the 32nd floor of a hotel on the crowd at an open-air C&W concert. At least 20 dead and 100 wounded. 

Given Trump hasn't come out already to say this was radical islamic terror, chances are it isn't.  Apparently, the lone shooter is dead and he was apparently a local.

But how the hell does someone access a machine gun?  Watch one of the clips and the rapidity and duration of the gunfire is stunning.

Despite police being in the crowd, there was no hope of the shooter being taken out from ground level.  So much for this idea that the way to deal with a bad man with a gun is for good men to have guns. 

This is the country that is so keen to protect the right to bear arms that the NRA wants to get rid of prohibitions on silencers and automatic weapons.  Some commentators are saying the weapon used here may be a beltfed or drum machine gun.  Absolute insanity!

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Wonderful, I'm close to Las Vegas within the week.

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It's cultural, I lived in the US for a few years, and I was the only person I knew who didn't own a gun and go out shooting anything that moved in the woods every weekend. The gun in this instance sounds like a high-powered semi-automatic, anyone who passes the identity checks can get one of these at any corner gun shop in the US

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Sounded like a heavy rapid fire weapon to me.
Reality always wins in the end.

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Quote from: laj – on
Wonderful, I'm close to Las Vegas within the week.

Glass half full outlook means that lightning is unlikely to strike twice in the same place so soon,and odds are a heightened security presence will be the outcome.

"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

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Walk down the strip in Vegas and you'll get people handing you all kinds of things.

Plenty of little cards with pictures of (half) naked ladies on them is the most common. I had people offering me cds of their own music as well. Lots of flyers from shops around, casinos and shows.

I had more than a couple flyers handed to me that were to go shoot guns. They take you to a range nearby and you get to choose through a wide variety from hand guns to rifles and anything you could dream of.

How does someone find a (machine?) gun in Vegas? How does someone avoid them??

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Down in Texas they dont seem to have any trouble getting machine guns....replicas in the USA usually mean the real thing for these weekend nutcase warriors.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N59msUnyy1g


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What chance the shooter was ex military?? 

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Death toll now 50 according to last report.
Reality always wins in the end.

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NBC has identified him as a white dude in his 60s who lived in a retirement community.

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Sherriff said "at least 50 dead", many critically wounded, the toll will get higher I'm afraid. 64 year old local resident, will be interested to hear what his mental health history is, and how he was able to get access to the weapons that were found in his hotel room

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Quote from: cookie2 – on
Sounded like a heavy rapid fire weapon to me.

During my Army service I managed to fire off 60 rounds with my semi-automatic rifle while my partner with the machine gun got off 50 rounds.  His fire discipline was better than mine!

My point is that you can lay down a lot of fire with a semi-automatic ... and it's fairly straightforward to convert most semi-automatic rifles to fully automatic.  Such weapons are really only intended to be used against other humans (and some feral animals) and it is a mystery to me why they are so freely available in the USA.  I wonder how many more lives will be lost before they bring in sensible gun laws.  The current POTUS is in bed with the NRA and I can't seem him doing anything to upset them  :(
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball
 

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Yep, some tough questions.  Maybe Trump can avoid them being asked if he gets into a Twitter war with Kanye West or something like that.

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So the White House press secretary states it's not a good time to be talking about gun laws.

Quote from: I wonder what Trump is thinking,
If only the crowd had been allowed to carry weapons they could have blasted the hell out of that hotel's 32nd floor!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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How can the US be surprised by this horror? When your gun laws are what they are, this is inevitable. In many civilized nations the NRA would be considered a danger to society and shut down.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17