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Offline Lods

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Re: Goaltracker 2018
« Reply #15 on: April 16, 2018, 02:44:57 PM »
After Round 4 (not very exciting :( )

2017

Goals-42  Behinds-40 
Percentage  79.4%   (For- 292, Against- 368)

2018 
(2017 Target 232 Goals- 202 behinds-1594)

Goals-39  Behinds 34
Percentage  61.2 % (For- 268, Against- 438)

Goalkickers
(2017 Target Casboult  34)


2018
Curnow 9
Wright 8
Casboult 5
Garlett 5
Fisher- 3


Offline Lods

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Re: Goaltracker 2018
« Reply #16 on: April 24, 2018, 04:29:22 PM »
After Round 5 Spookily close ;D

2017
Goals-48  Behinds-51 
Percentage  67.1%   (For- 339, Against- 505)

2018 
(2017 Target 232 Goals- 202 behinds-1594)

Goals-49  Behinds -43
Percentage  65.2 % (For- 337, Against- 517)

Goalkickers
(2017 Target Casboult  34)

2017
Casboult 9
Silvagni 6
Wright 6

2018
Curnow 9
Wright 8
Casboult 7
Garlett 5
McKay 4
Fisher- 4
« Last Edit: April 24, 2018, 04:33:16 PM by Lods »

Offline Thryleon

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Re: Goaltracker 2018
« Reply #17 on: April 24, 2018, 07:35:19 PM »
Our more attacking game plan has yielded lower rates of scoring to go with more points conceded.

"everything you know is wrong"

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Offline DJC

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Re: Goaltracker 2018
« Reply #18 on: April 24, 2018, 08:13:13 PM »
That's very interesting Lods!

Silvagni's tally has diminished but we have significant contributions from Charlie, Garlett, McKay and Fisher rather than the spread of single goal kickers at this time last season.  If Silvagni can improve his output, our five leading goal kickers can maintain their scoring rates and we get contributions from the midfield and halfbacks, we could be in for a goal fest - particularly now that the defence has been stiffened by the return of Rowe.

Harry could well be our leading goal kicker this season.  Although he is likely to get more attention now ... and that makes life easier for Levi and Charlie.
Nostalgia isn't what it used to be . . .

Offline kruddler

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Re: Goaltracker 2018
« Reply #19 on: April 24, 2018, 08:20:06 PM »
That's very interesting Lods!

Silvagni's tally has diminished but we have significant contributions from Charlie, Garlett, McKay and Fisher rather than the spread of single goal kickers at this time last season.  If Silvagni can improve his output, our five leading goal kickers can maintain their scoring rates and we get contributions from the midfield and halfbacks, we could be in for a goal fest - particularly now that the defence has been stiffened by the return of Rowe.

Harry could well be our leading goal kicker this season.  Although he is likely to get more attention now ... and that makes life easier for Levi and Charlie.

Silvagnis tally has diminished because he hasn't been in the team!

Offline madbluboy

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Re: Goaltracker 2018
« Reply #20 on: April 24, 2018, 08:38:17 PM »
Our more attacking game plan has yielded lower rates of scoring to go with more points conceded.

Unbelievable.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Offline DJC

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Re: Goaltracker 2018
« Reply #21 on: April 24, 2018, 09:30:10 PM »
Silvagnis tally has diminished because he hasn't been in the team!

Captain Obvious isn't quite on the mark this time  ;)

This season Jack has one goal from three games.  At the same time last season, Jack had six goals from from five games.  That is a significant reduction in goals per game.  Hopefully Jack can be more productive throughout the rest of the season. 
Nostalgia isn't what it used to be . . .

Offline kruddler

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Re: Goaltracker 2018
« Reply #22 on: April 24, 2018, 09:33:29 PM »
Captain Obvious isn't quite on the mark this time  ;)

This season Jack has one goal from three games.  At the same time last season, Jack had six goals from from five games.  That is a significant reduction in goals per game.  Hopefully Jack can be more productive throughout the rest of the season.

As Captain Judd will tell you, its also about cohesion. Being in and out of the side won't do much for his game and the players getting used to him and vice versa.

Offline DJC

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Re: Goaltracker 2018
« Reply #23 on: April 24, 2018, 09:58:25 PM »
As Captain Judd will tell you, its also about cohesion. Being in and out of the side won't do much for his game and the players getting used to him and vice versa.

That's not what team cohesion, as measured by TWI, is about.  Jack has played 31 games (still a baby) and probably almost half as many in the NBs.  That means that he should know the gameplan and how his teammates play much better than the likes of Dow, O'Brien, Kennedy, McKay, Mullett, Phillips and McKay.

It's hard to kick goals when you're not in the 22.  It's not much easier when you're in the 22, down on form and on the receiving end of some speculative inside 50s.  Hopefully Jack will get back among the goals against the Doggies.
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Offline kruddler

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Re: Goaltracker 2018
« Reply #24 on: April 24, 2018, 10:18:27 PM »
That's not what team cohesion, as measured by TWI, is about.  Jack has played 31 games (still a baby) and probably almost half as many in the NBs.  That means that he should know the gameplan and how his teammates play much better than the likes of Dow, O'Brien, Kennedy, McKay, Mullett, Phillips and McKay.

It's hard to kick goals when you're not in the 22.  It's not much easier when you're in the 22, down on form and on the receiving end of some speculative inside 50s.  Hopefully Jack will get back among the goals against the Doggies.

Who is kicking the ball to Jack?

Dow, O'Brien, Kennedy, Mullett, Phillips, McKay (x2??)

How many games has Jack played with each of them? How does he know which side they will turn out of a pack? Which part of the ground they will look to when they do turn out of a pack? Will they hit you on the chest, leave it short or over the top? Will they bounce first? Can they deliver on their opposite foot? What kind of distance can they kick accurately, consistently when running at full pace? At half pace?

Jack, and others, need to know how each of those players will perform at any given scenario and wouldn't have played more than 4 games with any of them, with the exception of Phillips, who have played together on 9 occasions.

Offline DJC

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Re: Goaltracker 2018
« Reply #25 on: April 24, 2018, 10:47:06 PM »
Who is kicking the ball to Jack?

Dow, O'Brien, Kennedy, Mullett, Phillips, McKay (x2??)

How many games has Jack played with each of them? How does he know which side they will turn out of a pack? Which part of the ground they will look to when they do turn out of a pack? Will they hit you on the chest, leave it short or over the top? Will they bounce first? Can they deliver on their opposite foot? What kind of distance can they kick accurately, consistently when running at full pace? At half pace?

Jack, and others, need to know how each of those players will perform at any given scenario and wouldn't have played more than 4 games with any of them, with the exception of Phillips, who have played together on 9 occasions.

That's not a bad point to make, but it doesn't seem to have impacted on the goal kicking of Charlie Curnow, Wright, Casboult, Garlett or McKay.  The latter two have played a total of five and three games for us but have outscored Jack by a considerable margin.

Team cohesion is an overall team measure.  It really doesn't work when you try to use it to explain one player's poor form, even if that poor form is in part due to glitches with the gameplan.  All players, regardless of how many games they have played, are expected to execute the gameplan and they will have practised turning out of a pack and drilling a pass to a leading forward ad nauseum.  Of course, inexperience and AFL level pressure will impact on how well those skills are executed.  I guess the classic example was when Casboult had ten metres on his opponent and McKay managed to kick the ball out on the full.
Nostalgia isn't what it used to be . . .

Offline kruddler

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Re: Goaltracker 2018
« Reply #26 on: April 25, 2018, 08:35:37 AM »
That's not a bad point to make, but it doesn't seem to have impacted on the goal kicking of Charlie Curnow, Wright, Casboult, Garlett or McKay.  The latter two have played a total of five and three games for us but have outscored Jack by a considerable margin.

Team cohesion is an overall team measure.  It really doesn't work when you try to use it to explain one player's poor form, even if that poor form is in part due to glitches with the gameplan.  All players, regardless of how many games they have played, are expected to execute the gameplan and they will have practised turning out of a pack and drilling a pass to a leading forward ad nauseum.  Of course, inexperience and AFL level pressure will impact on how well those skills are executed.  I guess the classic example was when Casboult had ten metres on his opponent and McKay managed to kick the ball out on the full.

The point i was making is a factor. Not the only factor, but one nonetheless. As is the fact he has missed games.
As is the fact that he simply isn't targetted as much as Curnowfides and Casboult.
As is the fact that he simply isn't as good as Curnowfides.

Offline Thryleon

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Re: Goaltracker 2018
« Reply #27 on: April 25, 2018, 09:22:35 AM »
That's not a bad point to make, but it doesn't seem to have impacted on the goal kicking of Charlie Curnow, Wright, Casboult, Garlett or McKay.  The latter two have played a total of five and three games for us but have outscored Jack by a considerable margin.

Team cohesion is an overall team measure.  It really doesn't work when you try to use it to explain one player's poor form, even if that poor form is in part due to glitches with the gameplan.  All players, regardless of how many games they have played, are expected to execute the gameplan and they will have practised turning out of a pack and drilling a pass to a leading forward ad nauseum.  Of course, inexperience and AFL level pressure will impact on how well those skills are executed.  I guess the classic example was when Casboult had ten metres on his opponent and McKay managed to kick the ball out on the full.

Actually that's not quite the case DJC.

Some players can make the most of opportunities without this synergy knowledge because of their strengths (size,  speed, marking, etc).  Jack relies on smarts and not being as familiar with players is likely to have more of an adverse effect on him than others.  Another player like that is Plowman and he too is struggling for form and it wouldn't surprise me if weitering was in the same boat there too regarding contests.

Any player will tell you it's easier playing in a settled team whilst others will cope regardless and that's just another layer that some players need to add to their game.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Offline DJC

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Re: Goaltracker 2018
« Reply #28 on: April 25, 2018, 10:58:46 AM »
The point i was making is a factor. Not the only factor, but one nonetheless. As is the fact he has missed games.
As is the fact that he simply isn't targetted as much as Curnowfides and Casboult.
As is the fact that he simply isn't as good as Curnowfides.

But is he targeted as much as Wright or Garlett (I accept that Harry is a more preferred target)?

Jack has to find a way to get on the end of more inside 50s.  It may require more running, better running patterns, better reading of the play, greater understanding of his teammates' ability and more effort.
Nostalgia isn't what it used to be . . .

Offline DJC

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Re: Goaltracker 2018
« Reply #29 on: April 25, 2018, 11:01:20 AM »
Actually that's not quite the case DJC.

Some players can make the most of opportunities without this synergy knowledge because of their strengths (size,  speed, marking, etc).  Jack relies on smarts and not being as familiar with players is likely to have more of an adverse effect on him than others.  Another player like that is Plowman and he too is struggling for form and it wouldn't surprise me if weitering was in the same boat there too regarding contests.

Any player will tell you it's easier playing in a settled team whilst others will cope regardless and that's just another layer that some players need to add to their game.

But is Jack any different to Wright and Garlett in that regard?  Imagine how good Garlett will be when he has played 30 odd games for us  :)
Nostalgia isn't what it used to be . . .

 

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