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Re: 2018 VFL Rd 1: Northern Blues vs Collingwood

Reply #75 –
Quote from: flyboy77 – on
The I50 stat is a BS stat if all the entries are terrible....as ours are.

All stats are BS... that’s why you evaluate them.


Edit:
But the stats are still valid as a reference point.
Let’s go BIG !

Re: 2018 VFL Rd 1: Northern Blues vs Collingwood

Reply #76 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Bringing in Kerr is equivalent to play SOSOS.

So we'd just go back to Casboult, Curnowfides and Kerr....a relatively standard forwardline setup.

Get rid of Casboult then and play Curnow, Kerr and SoJ.

If Casboult is going to take a free ride and let Charlie do all the heavy lifting, then Casboult may as well not be there, the only problem then becomes the ruck but Casboult isn't such a loss anyway! ;)

Get Casboult into the 2s and have him take some front position, let him do what the big blokes are supposed to do. If we intend to let him just keep launching form the back of the pack why don't we replace him with a Liam Ryan type, same job and same result except you have a player who'll actually chase down defenders. Why not just give Garlett license to jump like an idiot 20 times a game, same job same result!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: 2018 VFL Rd 1: Northern Blues vs Collingwood

Reply #77 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Bringing in Kerr is equivalent to play SOSOS.

So we'd just go back to Casboult, Curnowfides and Kerr....a relatively standard forwardline setup.


Kerr is a specialist KP player, he is a much bigger unit, better kick and plays a traditional KP game....nothing like SOSOS who is a 3rd tall forward who has even been run through the midfield in the twos.

Yep lets try a traditional setup for a change....why because the present setup is useless and we have been smacked by teams who are garbage..

We are a tiny little schoolboy team which lacks size, is intimidated every week and go to water when the heat gets applied, we need a traditional setup IMO, the little forward line full of choir boys
hasnt worked like Richmonds setup and its time to try different things...let other teams find three tall defenders, Kerr might straighten up some of our mids and give us some better system, he might not.
I'd rather see Kerr and Harry leading the goalkicking at years end than Matthew Wright and Levi again and another bottom four finish again.....

Re: 2018 VFL Rd 1: Northern Blues vs Collingwood

Reply #78 –
3 talls + 1 link + 2 smalls haven’t hurt Adelaide. SOJ needs to build a tank and become our Tom Lynch, the connector.  Lead up, distribute, don’t worry about pack marks etc. Garrett, Pickett, Fisher, Wright at the feet.

One proviso..... on ballers must hit the scoreboard too.

Re: 2018 VFL Rd 1: Northern Blues vs Collingwood

Reply #79 –
Quote from: townsendcalling – on
3 talls + 1 link + 2 smalls haven’t hurt Adelaide. SOJ needs to build a tank and become our Tom Lynch, the connector.  Lead up, distribute, don’t worry about pack marks etc. Garrett, Pickett, Fisher, Wright at the feet.

One proviso..... on ballers must hit the scoreboard too.

SoJ has no hope of becoming Tom Lynch(Crows), I think you are looking at SoJ through rose coloured glasses, he's half the speed, aerobic capacity and agility of the Crows version. No matter how hard to try if you do not have the right physiology you'll never get to the same aerobic capacity.

Perhaps our best chance of having a Tom Lynch(Crows) type player is Marchbank.

I think SoJ should reset himself to learn the midfield and become a Pendlebury type player allowing Cripps to spend more time as a F50 marking target. I think Carey was right, Cripps is great inside when he wins the ball but if he doesn't he is too slow and opposition players run off him and hurt us week after week. SoJ could be a better mix for that inside player and has a bit more pace than Cripps, as long as fans do not expect SoJ to be Cripps it could well work.

There is still room for this type of player in the game, but you have to have a game plan that suits them. What is the point of us having a fast break high speed game plan with a team loaded with Casboult, Wright, Daisy, Cripps, Curnow, Curnow, SoJ, Weitering and Kennedy. They are all sub-par on pace or agility! Some posters will think I'm being harsh on Charlie, but watch the first few games, despite his success he gets stuff all separation from defenders because he doesn't have the top speed. If he not continuously taking ridiculous numbers of contested marks he's going to be in big trouble as a KPF, because that form cannot last it won't see you through a season.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: 2018 VFL Rd 1: Northern Blues vs Collingwood

Reply #80 –
Quote from: LP – on
Some posters will think I'm being harsh on Charlie, but watch the first few games, despite his success he gets stuff all separation from defenders because he doesn't have the top speed. If he not continuously taking ridiculous numbers of contested marks he's going to be in big trouble as a KPF, because that form cannot last it won't see you through a season.

What Curnow does have I suspect is the "Curnow" tank and as his quicker opponents get tired and slow down he'll "keep on keeping on".
As he develops he'll dominate games at the finish.

Re: 2018 VFL Rd 1: Northern Blues vs Collingwood

Reply #81 –
Quote from: LP – on
Some posters will think I'm being harsh on Charlie, but watch the first few games, despite his success he gets stuff all separation from defenders because he doesn't have the top speed. If he not continuously taking ridiculous numbers of contested marks he's going to be in big trouble as a KPF, because that form cannot last it won't see you through a season.
If he ran (full pelt) to the right spot and our players delivered in front of him (instead of on his head) to the right spot, he would mark alot more and kick a lot more goals. Because of his probable lack of confidence in those delivering, he has to stop, prop etc.
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Re: 2018 VFL Rd 1: Northern Blues vs Collingwood

Reply #82 –
Quote from: Lods – on
What Curnow does have I suspect is the "Curnow" tank and as his quicker opponents get tired and slow down he'll "keep on keeping on".
As he develops he'll dominate games at the finish.

I agree Lods, but you have to resign yourself to remaining in games at the finish and having close finishes in the end that allow him to deliver a benefit.

Our current games are over by half-time, and I don't see that improving while we retain some of the current players!

Is it an accident that a bunch of them seem to come good after half-time when the match is pretty much over, in pressure off time?

Charlie needs some fair dinkum support, not the Bullcrap Football he is getting played around him now!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: 2018 VFL Rd 1: Northern Blues vs Collingwood

Reply #83 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Sadly, that's the feeling I got in the second quarter.
But all is not lost because there were patches of the game that didn't reflect that.

A win or two and things change pretty quickly....but boy do we need that win or two. ::)
Absolutely!
Live Long and Prosper!

Re: 2018 VFL Rd 1: Northern Blues vs Collingwood

Reply #84 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Sadly, that's the feeling I got in the second quarter.
But all is not lost because there were patches of the game that didn't reflect that.

A win or two and things change pretty quickly....but boy do we need that win or two. ::)

This stinks, but it seems to be up to the beginners to make this happen!

I can't wait for Williamson and Macreadie to be back in, and for Kerr to get a run. We need some blokes who push back, even if some think they are only making up the numbers in the short term! If they have the right attitude I'll back them in!

I don't want any more of our soft-cock club lambasting the talent because they get drunk and tip over the High Tea Cart, it's forking footballers I want! I don't want priority given to guys who look nice on the red carpet, speak like Nobel Laureates at functions or are loved by teenage girls everywhere!

I don't want the bloke that stops and helps the grandma across the road, I want the guy who drives over her to get to training on time, and gets credit for calling the ambulance like Luke Hodge! I want some freaking footballers!

Are we a football club? What do we want to be, the NAAFI, an all male review or the freaking army!

I'm half expecting us to run out for the next game in drag with panstick painted faces!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: 2018 VFL Rd 1: Northern Blues vs Collingwood

Reply #86 –
Nice report on the club website again this week.

Sounds like in relation to forwards only Kerr and Silvagni would be a chance.

I notice Graham is now being extended with more time forward, although it reads like most of his influence came on-ball like Kerridge. But ball use and team balance seems to be an issue across the board.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: 2018 VFL Rd 1: Northern Blues vs Collingwood

Reply #87 –
Quote from: LP – on
SoJ has no hope of becoming Tom Lynch(Crows), I think you are looking at SoJ through rose coloured glasses, he's half the speed, aerobic capacity and agility of the Crows version. No matter how hard to try if you do not have the right physiology you'll never get to the same aerobic capacity.

Perhaps our best chance of having a Tom Lynch(Crows) type player is Marchbank.

I think SoJ should reset himself to learn the midfield and become a Pendlebury type player allowing Cripps to spend more time as a F50 marking target. I think Carey was right, Cripps is great inside when he wins the ball but if he doesn't he is too slow and opposition players run off him and hurt us week after week. SoJ could be a better mix for that inside player and has a bit more pace than Cripps, as long as fans do not expect SoJ to be Cripps it could well work.

There is still room for this type of player in the game, but you have to have a game plan that suits them. What is the point of us having a fast break high speed game plan with a team loaded with Casboult, Wright, Daisy, Cripps, Curnow, Curnow, SoJ, Weitering and Kennedy. They are all sub-par on pace or agility! Some posters will think I'm being harsh on Charlie, but watch the first few games, despite his success he gets stuff all separation from defenders because he doesn't have the top speed. If he not continuously taking ridiculous numbers of contested marks he's going to be in big trouble as a KPF, because that form cannot last it won't see you through a season.

Jack did quite of bit of inside midfield in the last VFL practice match and did ok apparently.

Re: 2018 VFL Rd 1: Northern Blues vs Collingwood

Reply #88 –
Quote from: laj – on
Jack did quite of bit of inside midfield in the last VFL practice match and did ok apparently.

It could be horrible for SoJ and for some other dedicated midfielder if resources were allocated to SoJ without merit, the other players would pick up on that and he'd possibly become isolated, because it wouldn't be perceived as a level playing field.

If we start creating roles for the named players I cannot see how that will end up working.

As long as his potential is genuine and he's not just getting the opportunity beaus of his name. We can only surmise that ability, but the coaches will know the answer, I think someone like Brodie or BB would have to make the call without SOS involvement.

I don't want the kid to be a place holder based on his name, I want him to prove to everyone he can be successful in his own right like Ablett Jnr. Unfortunately it probably means he has to exceed expectations.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: 2018 VFL Rd 1: Northern Blues vs Collingwood

Reply #89 –
Works his butt off, loves the jumper, good skills, quick thinking good footy brain, slow as treacle, limited athleticism, and a big body. Perfect for us as an inside mid, provided he and Cripps are flanked by some pacy types.

Come on CFC, stop f%^#ing around. Make it happen.

And I'm talking about Jack.