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Offline LP

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Re: 2018 VFL Rd 2: NBs vs North Melbourne
« Reply #135 on: April 16, 2018, 10:51:03 AM »
Two examples.

Two.  Do you know how many players we've discarded??

They're outliers.  Gowers is going to play a handful of handy games and might become a solid but unspectacular performer for the Bulldogs just like Ed Curnow has for us, or before him Andrew Carrazzo.   They're a dime a dozen and for us they become the main event whilst for others they're side dishes.

Face it LP.   This long bow you are drawing is extremely long and Frankly statistically full of outliers.  For every Mitch Robinson,  or billy Gowers there's a dozen players who's careers are done never to be heard of again.

Geelong discarded blokes like Carrazzo and Wet Toast traded away Judd when they were at the top of the tree. Judd came to us to win a B&F costing millions and draft picks a plenty, Robinson left for nada from a club living in the gutter!

I sorry Thry, but your post seems to confirm the silver spoon attitude of the club, it's a sign of trouble and a form of denial!

We are not the billionaires who can buy our way out of trouble anymore, we are destitute girl in the gutter selling all that she has to offer! ;)
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Offline Thryleon

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Re: 2018 VFL Rd 2: NBs vs North Melbourne
« Reply #136 on: April 16, 2018, 10:55:53 AM »
Geelong discarded blokes like Carrazzo and Wet Toast traded away Judd when they were at the top of the tree. Judd came to us to win a B&F costing millions and draft picks a plenty, Robinson left for nada from a club living in the gutter!

I sorry Thry, but your post seems to confirm the silver spoon attitude of the club, it's a sign of trouble and a form of denial!

We are not the billionaires who can buy our way out of trouble anymore, we are destitute girl in the gutter selling all that she has to offer! ;)

Why don't you go through our list of discards and show me just how many we have given away that would be oh so useful today.

Things to keep in mind,  they have to want to play for us.  Some of them leave as much as they are "gotten rid of".

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Re: 2018 VFL Rd 2: NBs vs North Melbourne
« Reply #137 on: April 16, 2018, 11:01:37 AM »
Why don't you go through our list of discards and show me just how many we have given away that would be oh so useful today.

Things to keep in mind,  they have to want to play for us.  Some of them leave as much as they are "gotten rid of".

Why would anyone want to play for us Thry?

Players we trade or give away, they may struggle to get regular games at higher rated clubs, some do some don't, yet they do get games at higher rated clubs when they couldn't get a game here or were no longer wanted by us like we had ready-made replacements!

Where are the ready-made replacements Thry, the better players we picked up?

Are we supposed to be improving the list, not just turning it over?

You are one of the loudest proponents of adding depth to our list, how does trading away players capable of getting games in teams higher up the ladder add depth?
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Offline Thryleon

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Re: 2018 VFL Rd 2: NBs vs North Melbourne
« Reply #138 on: April 16, 2018, 11:12:45 AM »
Why would anyone want to play for us Thry?

Players we trade or give away, they may struggle to get regular games at higher rated clubs, some do some don't, yet they do get games at higher rated clubs when they couldn't get a game here or were no longer wanted by us like we had ready-made replacements!

Where are the ready-made replacements Thry, the better players we picked up?

Are we supposed to be improving the list, not just turning it over?

You are one of the loudest proponents of adding depth to our list, how does trading away players capable of getting games in teams higher up the ladder add depth?

No

Billy Gowers.  Who else has left our club to star elsewhere.

Nick Holman?

For all of them there's a mark Austin,  Adam hartlett,  Jake Edwards, Luke Mitchell,  David ellard, Kane Lucas, Marcus davies, Patrick McCarthy,  Jordan Russell,  nick duigan etc that are surplus to our requirements because we need main event players.  We've even kept some of them like Sam Rowe and recruited our own versions in Andrew Phillips, jed lamb, o Shea,  etc.

They are peripheral. All of them.  Robinson is an outlier because he was gotten rid of to set standards as well as being better than the rest of them but the fact remains that your initial point is moot.
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Re: 2018 VFL Rd 2: NBs vs North Melbourne
« Reply #139 on: April 16, 2018, 11:24:19 AM »
For all of them there's a mark Austin,  Adam hartlett,  Jake Edwards, Luke Mitchell,  David ellard, Kane Lucas, Marcus davies, Patrick McCarthy,  Jordan Russell,  nick duigan etc that are surplus to our requirements because we need main event players.  We've even kept some of them like Sam Rowe and recruited our own versions in Andrew Phillips, jed lamb, o Shea,  etc.

So we just keep buying a ticket on the faulty Merry-go-Round, and blame everybody who gets off for the rides troubles!

Sorry Thry, your posts reek of the silver spoon, the old Carlton ways.

We are not the billionaires of the AFL anymore, we cannot afford to waste a thing! If there is even a slither of performance we let slip by we will be doomed to crawl the gutters!

I'm glad you can defend the club so strongly, it shows your passion, but it also betrays where you think we stand.

We need to find some glitter in amongst the turds and turn it into gold, we can't afford to go to the jewellery shop any more!

This discussion reminds me of some friends who were banging on about the $20M Carlton was granted to redevelop part of PP, they were trying to rub it in the faces of some opposition fans, like we are still the big boys getting the big toys. But it's for the girls Thry not the men!
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Offline Thryleon

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Re: 2018 VFL Rd 2: NBs vs North Melbourne
« Reply #140 on: April 16, 2018, 11:38:07 AM »
So we just keep buying a ticket on the faulty Merry-go-Round, and blame everybody who gets off for the rides troubles!

Sorry Thry, your posts reek of the silver spoon, the old Carlton ways.

We are not the billionaires of the AFL anymore, we cannot afford to waste a thing! If there is even a slither of performance we let slip by we will be doomed to crawl the gutters!

I'm glad you can defend the club so strongly, it shows your passion, but it also betrays where you think we stand.

We need to find some glitter in amongst the turds and turn it into gold, we can't afford to go to the jewellery shop any more!

This discussion reminds me of some friends who were banging on about the $20M Carlton was granted to redevelop part of PP, they were trying to rub it in the faces of some opposition fans, like we are still the big boys getting the big toys. But it's for the girls Thry not the men!

Have you looked at Gowers round two? 8 disposals 4 tackles and 1 goal.

Can't believe we didn't senior list him.
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Re: 2018 VFL Rd 2: NBs vs North Melbourne
« Reply #141 on: April 16, 2018, 11:44:36 AM »
Have you looked at Gowers round two? 8 disposals 4 tackles and 1 goal.

Better than SoJ Rnd 1, yet SoJ does not deserve to be dropped according to some of your other posts!

You do not seem to be seeing the contradiction in your posts!
« Last Edit: April 16, 2018, 03:16:40 PM by LP »
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Offline blue4life

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Re: 2018 VFL Rd 2: NBs vs North Melbourne
« Reply #142 on: April 16, 2018, 11:47:04 AM »
We've only actually gone to the draft in the last couple of years and so far the signs are promising.
We'll still have some draft busts like every club does, Kane Tenace was a first rounder when Geelong could seemingly do no wrong, but we finally seem capable of identifying genuine talent.
Cast your mind back, Pagan delisted 17 players at the end of his first year at Carlton and only Simon Fletcher was picked up, he subsequently played 8 games at Richmond.
Our current list is nowhere near as hopeless as it was back then and now we actually have 6 or 8 young players of genuine talent as well as another 4 or 5 who will be honest foot soldiers.
We need another decent draft and a couple of astute trades to build our core, but all of this takes time.
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