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Re: 2018 Rd 7: Pre Game Paranoia: Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #135
I think we can all agree that if Kreuzer had an injury free career he probably would be the best ruckman in the business but he hasn't. In round one he was looking great till he got injured again. As soon as he went off the Tigers had their way with us.

Ask any non Carlton fan who the best ruckman in the AFL is and he won't even get a mention.
Special K certainly is not the best ruck in the competition, but when he is fit and in form he can be one of the most effective. And mbb is right; he doesn't get the kudos he deserves. Even from many Carlton supporters. But his form last year had very few peers. He was beaten maybe three times for the year. He at least broke even against some of best credentialed rucks and he simply thrashed most of them.
He doesn't just compete in the ruck, but he makes clearances. Few rucks do that.

One of the positive things about Phillips so far is that he has been able to at least break even, usually doing better. This has not been the case earlier in his career. Unfortunately he runs out of gas in the second half. Not surprising given his history of injury, but a disappointment all the same.

In the past Kreuzer has been struggling with fitness and has let the ruck become a battle of strength with Jacobs. That has been a mistake which has allowed Sauce to play well against Kreuzer. Get Jacobs to run after Kreuzer and the matter takes on a whole new light.
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Re: 2018 Rd 7: Pre Game Paranoia: Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #136
We need to put the best possible team on the park.

Agree but unless Kreuzer is ready to go playing him at the moment could be possibly the worst decision for both him and our team possible.

Given the results are a bit irrelevant for us (unless you believe Bolton needs to win games to keep the faith in him) its not a significant difference in performance and it might be better for Kreuzer to rehab and recover.  From where I sit, we have the chance to win three in a row later from about round 15 onwards, and the Bombers game is the only game before the bye we need to be getting everyone cherry ripe for.  That means pushing out our best side capable of winning, provided no one is playing under significant duress.


Special K certainly is not the best ruck in the competition, but when he is fit and in form he can be one of the most effective. And mbb is right; he doesn't get the kudos he deserves. Even from many Carlton supporters. But his form last year had very few peers. He was beaten maybe three times for the year. He at least broke even against some of best credentialed rucks and he simply thrashed most of them.
He doesn't just compete in the ruck, but he makes clearances. Few rucks do that.

One of the positive things about Phillips so far is that he has been able to at least break even, usually doing better. This has not been the case earlier in his career. Unfortunately he runs out of gas in the second half. Not surprising given his history of injury, but a disappointment all the same.

In the past Kreuzer has been struggling with fitness and has let the ruck become a battle of strength with Jacobs. That has been a mistake which has allowed Sauce to play well against Kreuzer. Get Jacobs to run after Kreuzer and the matter takes on a whole new light.

Thats assuming Kreuzer can actually run around for 4 quarters. In his 3 games thus far this season, he has played 66%, 71% and 80% of game time, whilst Phillips has gone at 86% and 83% of game time.

It all points to Kreuzer not being fit, and that means you don't play him unless he has proven he is not only right to play, but is also fit enough to run an opposition ruckman around the ground.
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Re: 2018 Rd 7: Pre Game Paranoia: Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #137
Thats assuming Kreuzer can actually run around for 4 quarters. In his 3 games thus far this season, he has played 66%, 71% and 80% of game time, whilst Phillips has gone at 86% and 83% of game time.

It all points to Kreuzer not being fit, and that means you don't play him unless he has proven he is not only right to play, but is also fit enough to run an opposition ruckman around the ground.

Firstly given he was injured Rnd 1 it's not bad.

ToG figures are pretty meaningless without careful cross correlation to intensity, any spud can spend 100% ToG but be sauntering around like a goose!

It would be interesting to know how much ground is covered by various players, which would give you meters per minute or Intensity as the AFL fitness pepole like to call it. I wouldn't be surprised to find Kreuzer pre-injury right at the top of the list of our bigger players.

It's one of my biggest bugbears with SPS, there is nothing worse than seeing a young fit bloke like SPS jogging along in the background as someone like Daisy or Wright sprints past him after the ball carrier.

If my assertion about Kreuzer having a Psoas injury is correct, you won't see him regain full running intensity until next season. He'll be OK as long as it's straight line stuff, but direction changes will be very sluggish by his normal standards. If I was coaching against Kreuzer I'd ask his opponent to weave and zag all over the place, lots of lateral movement and try to get Kreuzer following. If I was coaching Kreuzer, I'd tell him to ignore chasing opponents too far laterally and hold the main corridor to force them wide, let them run themselves into the ground avoiding a contest.
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Re: 2018 Rd 7: Pre Game Paranoia: Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #138
Firstly given he was injured Rnd 1 it's not bad.

ToG figures are pretty meaningless without careful cross correlation to intensity, any spud can spend 100% ToG but be sauntering around like a goose!

It would be interesting to know how much ground is covered by various players, which would give you meters per minute or Intensity as the AFL fitness pepole like to call it. I wouldn't be surprised to find Kreuzer pre-injury right at the top of the list of our bigger players.

It's one of my biggest bugbears with SPS, there is nothing worse than seeing a young fit bloke like SPS jogging along in the background as someone like Daisy or Wright sprints past him after the ball carrier.

If my assertion about Kreuzer having a Psoas injury is correct, you won't see him regain full running intensity until next season. He'll be OK as long as it's straight line stuff, but direction changes will be very sluggish by his normal standards. If I was coaching against Kreuzer I'd ask his opponent to weave and zag all over the place, lots of lateral movement and try to get Kreuzer following. If I was coaching Kreuzer, I'd tell him to ignore chasing opponents too far laterally and hold the main corridor to force them wide, let them run themselves into the ground avoiding a contest.

He's spent 2 of his three games visually unable to compete for at least a quarter and a half.  Once you take 25% of the game away, you are left with a maximum 75% time on ground.

Kreuzer played a good first half against Richmond, and I have seen nothing to suggest that he should play against Adelaide in place of a fit ruckman thus far this season.

Give him his rest, don't fly him to Adelaide, get him cherry ripe for Essendon.
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Paul Hewson

Re: 2018 Rd 7: Pre Game Paranoia: Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #139
To go with that, ruck him at VFL level this week.  If he proves he can get through 4 quarters, play him at AFL level.

I don't see what message you send to Phillips and by extension the group, if Kreuzer walk up starts against Adelaide this week.

He is our number 1 ruckman, and he has had his fair share of injuries, and didn't finish the game at Blundstone in his last outing, because we were getting hammered.  That means others have to carry his load whilst he sits out.

Lets not repeat that mistake.
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Paul Hewson

Re: 2018 Rd 7: Pre Game Paranoia: Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #140
To go with that, ruck him at VFL level this week.  If he proves he can get through 4 quarters, play him at AFL level.

I don't see what message you send to Phillips and by extension the group, if Kreuzer walk up starts against Adelaide this week.

He is our number 1 ruckman, and he has had his fair share of injuries, and didn't finish the game at Blundstone in his last outing, because we were getting hammered.  That means others have to carry his load whilst he sits out.

Lets not repeat that mistake.

In reality we now know he sat out because of injury, not because he wasn't fit enough and being managed. And it is true that sitting Kreuzer out meant others had to be on the ground injured, if I recall correctly both Kennedy and Weitering went back on the ground with ankles and corkies. But that is part of football.

But that is no different to a 100% fit player getting injured in the first few minutes. The problem you write about really becomes an issue if you start playing too many unfit players from the get go, like Kennedy, Kreuzer, Marchbank and Weitering all at once. But we've heard the coaches talk about players needing to learn to cope with adversity as part of their development. However, too many at once is clearly a problem.

On that issue, I'm pretty sure if we keep pushing Cripps he'll break down eventually, he needs to find another string to his bow so he can have a natural chop-out form the crash and bang stuff.
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Re: 2018 Rd 7: Pre Game Paranoia: Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #142
So I guess this means instead of losing by 100 points, we'll lose by 150 points.......
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Re: 2018 Rd 7: Pre Game Paranoia: Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #143
In reality we now know he sat out because of injury, not because he wasn't fit enough and being managed. And it is true that sitting Kreuzer out meant others had to be on the ground injured, if I recall correctly both Kennedy and Weitering went back on the ground with ankles and corkies. But that is part of football.

But that is no different to a 100% fit player getting injured in the first few minutes. The problem you write about really becomes an issue if you start playing too many unfit players from the get go, like Kennedy, Kreuzer, Marchbank and Weitering all at once. But we've heard the coaches talk about players needing to learn to cope with adversity as part of their development. However, too many at once is clearly a problem.

On that issue, I'm pretty sure if we keep pushing Cripps he'll break down eventually, he needs to find another string to his bow so he can have a natural chop-out form the crash and bang stuff.

This is the point though.

We should ruck Phillips this weekend.  There is almost no more than a 5% more likely chance that rucking Kreuzer instead of Phillips gives us a win (and that is being remarkably generous I might add).


Kreuzer replacing Phillips, in a season where quite frankly, we are not likely to win again until we get many more fit bodies back than just Kreuzer, reeks of desperation.  Its a low percentage increase in performance, to gain very little firepower, and exposes him to much greater risk because of the FLY factor.  If we were facing Adelaide at the MCG this weekend, id change my tune somewhat, but it smells of mismanagement (again).

It seems to be a high risk, low reward option to take because Kreuzer's performance doesn't give us an edge, and Kruddlers stats point to this being the case.


"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: 2018 Rd 7: Pre Game Paranoia: Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #144
Time to play Kerr.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: 2018 Rd 7: Pre Game Paranoia: Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #145

Unlikely. as we are already too tall, have no run and can't lock a ball in the F50, plus we already have two key forwards. Replace with a small.

Re: 2018 Rd 7: Pre Game Paranoia: Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #146

Bummer!
No hope now.
The only thing in this world worth more than a hill of beans is the Carlton Football Club.

Re: 2018 Rd 7: Pre Game Paranoia: Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #147

Yep, but not sure we can judge him fairly in the absence of Charlie, ideally I would have liked to see how they work together.

If they bring in Kerr we will effectively be replacing Charlie with another SoJ type player, although one who has shown some form!

Will be interesting to see what happens if Walker is out and Betts comes in!

It should be cool and dry.

Having said that, the MC will probably bring Weitering in and play him forward, sorry for the pessimism! ::)

PS: Marchbank has now been ruled out as well!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: 2018 Rd 7: Pre Game Paranoia: Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #148
The Duck having a laugh at our expense on Pick a Winner :

Knock Knock.
Who's there ?
Owen.
Owen who ?
Owen7, because that's what Carlton will be at the end of this round.

Jammy bastard.

You know times are bad when you become the butt of a knock knock joke.

Re: 2018 Rd 7: Pre Game Paranoia: Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #149
We play Adelaide in Adelaide next Saturday night. Things do not bode well.

Send our apologies....tell them we can't make it :(

You can have seasons where you have a bit of bad luck.
I cant remember too many where you have no luck at all!