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Reply #300 – May 08, 2018, 09:47:56 pm

Quote from: flyboy77 – on May 08, 2018, 08:56:45 pm

Relieve Murph of the Captaincy and watch him blossom!

Hopefully the bloke is a Blue for life....

Whilst I agree his kicking isn't what it used to be I do believe that's a mental/pressure thing...

At his best, or near it, Murph was sublime.

Hopefully again.

He peaked 7 years ago.

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Reply #301 – May 09, 2018, 09:26:58 am

He peaked 7 years ago? He won the B&F last year! I think they want Murphy to be the player who has the ball in his hand when they enter the F50. Because of injuries he hasn't been able to play that role. We have seen what losing a player like Gibbs does to the side, losing Murphy would be a bigger loss.

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Reply #302 – May 09, 2018, 09:35:37 am

I want Murph playing the free wheeling outside role that won him the best player awards (coaches) and AA in 2011. He is not an inside mid but people want to play inside and get smashed and be a Luke Hodge. He is a Hodge or a Cripps. Get him on the outside, use skill to get inside 50 to a target or have shot. Leave the grunt work to the specialists and get him playing on the outside and watch him flourish again.

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Reply #303 – May 09, 2018, 09:37:55 am

Quote from: Blue Moon – on May 09, 2018, 09:26:58 am

He peaked 7 years ago? He won the B&F last year! I think they want Murphy to be the player who has the ball in his hand when they enter the F50. Because of injuries he hasn't been able to play that role. We have seen what losing a player like Gibbs does to the side, losing Murphy would be a bigger loss.

BM, mbb is right. 2011 was definitely Murph's best year. Which isn't to say that he's been crap since. Far from it. He's been a good player for us his whole career, but he hasn't returned to the lofty heights of 2011. That much is accurate IMO.

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Reply #304 – May 09, 2018, 09:46:24 am

Quote from: Gointocarlton – on May 09, 2018, 09:35:37 am

I want Murph playing the free wheeling outside role that won him the best player awards (coaches) and AA in 2011. He is not an inside mid but people want to play inside and get smashed and be a Luke Hodge. He is a Hodge or a Cripps. Get him on the outside, use skill to get inside 50 to a target or have shot. Leave the grunt work to the specialists and get him playing on the outside and watch him flourish again.

Agree with this. Murph can be a very creative asset for us in that role, relieved of the grunt work. He isn't ideally built for that anyway. We need another couple who are to back up Cripps though and I think we should see what we could make out of Jack as a possible option this year. Nothing to lose.

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Reply #305 – May 09, 2018, 11:19:58 am

I don't have much to say about Murphy aside from the following.

We have struggled badly in his absence.

We will be a much better side with him in there, than without him. We are absolutely missing his presence, even if he doesn't have as much of an impact on games himself.

Finally, think back to the few wins we have had recently, and you find that Murphy is quite prolific in those.

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Reply #306 – May 09, 2018, 11:21:22 am

Quote from: Thryleon – on May 09, 2018, 11:19:58 am

Finally, think back to the few wins we have had recently, and you find that Murphy is quite prolific in those.

The fact Murphy haters love to overlook!

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Reply #307 – May 09, 2018, 05:49:55 pm

Quote from: Jack Burton – on May 08, 2018, 09:08:52 pm

If we lose Murphy as a FA we will get sweet FA in return, maybe a 3rd or 4th round pick (see Waite and Betts examples for how the AFL view Carlton FAs). We need him playing, teaching our young mids. O'Brien has played what, 5 games? Looks OK, but needs a senior head around for the next couple of years. SPS looks disinterested, is going backwards at a rate of knots. We need Murphy at Carlton for the next 2-3 years

Any Betts compo was offset by getting Thomas in.

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Reply #308 – May 09, 2018, 06:08:38 pm

Quote from: LP – on May 09, 2018, 11:21:22 am

The fact Murphy haters love to overlook!

LP..I'm not a Murphy hater but he isnt the player he was and his disposal/decision making isnt what it was and for both him and us I think he should move onto another club that can offer
him finals and if we can get something decent in return then I think it whats best, if we cant get a decent return then he stays...

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Reply #309 – May 09, 2018, 06:57:45 pm

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on May 09, 2018, 06:08:38 pm

LP..I'm not a Murphy hater but he isnt the player he was and his disposal/decision making isnt what it was and for both him and us I think he should move onto another club that can offer
him finals and if we can get something decent in return then I think it whats best, if we cant get a decent return then he stays...

I'm not a fan of shipping off our Captain and loyal servant because he "isn't the player he was". Like it or not, Murph is considered as a leader by those who count. Whatever we think matters not.

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Reply #310 – May 09, 2018, 07:09:10 pm

Can't believe anyone would advocate for Murph to be traded... There is still plenty of good footy in Murph and he's an important/committed BlueBagger. Yes, some of his disposals have been wayward of late, but his influence on field is still overwhelmingly positive. As the Skipper going forward? Well that's another discussion.

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Reply #311 – May 09, 2018, 07:14:26 pm

Quote from: Gointocarlton – on May 09, 2018, 06:57:45 pm

I'm not a fan of shipping off our Captain and loyal servant because he "isn't the player he was". Like it or not, Murph is considered as a leader by those who count. Whatever we think matters not.

Hawks moved Hodge and Lewis on because they wanted to rebuild with Mitchell and Omeara.....Gibbs wanted out for money and finals, its the way of footy now that players move around more and even loyal servants end up at different clubs for different reasons.
Cripps is now the unofficial anointed leader IMO......I'd rather we move on gracefully from the Kruezer, Gibbs, Murphy era and have other players taking on their responsibilities, if that means suggesting they move on like Hodge, Lewis then fine, if it means them stepping back and giving more games/time to kids then thats fine with me too.....they can be around to assist but I'd rather a kid like Polson play more than Murphy for the rest of the season given the year is over for us apart from development.
Play more seniors when its a more winnable game but vs teams like the Crows at home it would be Murphy out, Polson in for example....

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Reply #312 – May 09, 2018, 07:17:55 pm

Quote from: Baggers – on May 09, 2018, 07:09:10 pm

Can't believe anyone would advocate for Murph to be traded... There is still plenty of good footy in Murph and he's an important/committed BlueBagger. Yes, some of his disposals have been wayward of late, but his influence on field is still overwhelmingly positive. As the Skipper going forward? Well that's another discussion.

Turns the ball over a lot IMO, a lot of his kicks are short with plenty of elevation, as I said in my last post I would manage him but give kids preference...ie Brisbane he plays to help win the game but vs the Crows he rests, ditto Kruezer.....Simpson to 300 then he retires....
This era with these older players has come to an end, we have to let it go and them with it......

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Reply #313 – May 09, 2018, 07:21:08 pm

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on May 09, 2018, 07:14:26 pm

Hawks moved Hodge and Lewis on because they wanted to rebuild with Mitchell and Omeara.....Gibbs wanted out for money and finals, its the way of footy now that players move around more and even loyal servants end up at different clubs for different reasons.
Cripps is now the unofficial anointed leader IMO......I'd rather we move on gracefully from the Kruezer, Gibbs, Murphy era and have other players taking on their responsibilities, if that means suggesting they move on like Hodge, Lewis then fine, if it means them stepping back and giving more games/time to kids then thats fine with me too.....they can be around to assist but I'd rather a kid like Polson play more than Murphy for the rest of the season given the year is over for us apart from development.
Play more seniors when its a more winnable game but vs teams like the Crows at home it would be Murphy out, Polson in for example....

I suspect Kreuz and Murph are one club players and want to stay. Plus, neither would have much currency whereas Gibbs had plenty of currency. Plus Kreuz is very managed and his body is unlikely to allow too many more seasons.

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Reply #314 – May 09, 2018, 07:23:00 pm

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on May 09, 2018, 07:14:26 pm

Hawks moved Hodge and Lewis on because they wanted to rebuild with Mitchell and Omeara.....Gibbs wanted out for money and finals, its the way of footy now that players move around more and even loyal servants
end up at different clubs for different reasons.
Cripps is now the unofficial anointed leader IMO......I'd rather we move on gracefully from the Kruezer, Gibbs, Murphy era and have other players taking on their responsibilities, if that means suggesting they move on like Hodge, Lewis then fine, if it means them stepping back and giving more games/time to kids then thats fine with me too.....they can be around to assist but I'd rather a kid like Polson play more than Murphy for the rest of the season given the year is over for us apart from development.
Play more seniors when its a more winnable game but vs teams like the Crows at home it would be Murphy out, Polson in for example....

Hodge was on one leg at retired, then was coaxed out of retirement by Fagan. Not comparable to Murph. There are other boat anchors we can get rid of create space ahead of Murph. Gibbs was another story, wanted to go home to mummy and daddy and get an armchair ride into finals, strong character is Bryce. I am fully aware of how footy is now, I just dont agree with getting rid of your skipper.