Carlton Supporters Club

Kelly has great support, you look at Kennedy and Lang today and they are not up to it vs decent opposition, Cripps tried hard and Dow showed he has the goods when he has the footy and breaks away but its slim picking after that....when you have Obrien having to pick up Tomlinson on the wing its not a contest anymore.

Yes, I know they have plenty of talent, but I find them to be a very pure, very nuanced football team. Not that Richmond "frenetic midgets on speed" crap.

As doom and gloom as it all is - Harry McKay looks the real deal. Polson was awesome in those few flashes and Dow is going to be a serious player.

Polson looks like he should clearly be still playing VFL as he's not ready but those bits of class and courage running back with the flight show you there is potential there.

Harry - sensational. He is going to monster some opposition over the next 10 years. Could he end up being better than Charlie? That thought hadn't even occurred to me until today but that was a massive step forward today under severe duress.

Dow stepping around, in and out of trouble. He doesn't have the extreme sideways immediate burst speed of Judd but he's got some similar traits.

There's something to go with the truckload of negatives from today.

Having said that I will storm Carlton HQ if we don't ask for a PP.

What a terrible day. Sad thing is these sorts of losses are not even shocking anymore.

The development of mid field B graders like Kennedy and Lang must be addressed this trade period.

3 full years into a full rebuild and this area is still non competitive. Yes Fisher and Kreuzer were missing today bit they absolutely hammered us in there. And they had no Taranto and no Shiel. Kennedy looks like a decent footballer but is so slow and I hate how when he has a quiet one like today he provides the team with nothing. Lang I seriously cant see what all the hype was about. Might have looked like a decent B-C grade player in a strong Geelong midfield but in ours he looks a dud.  Reckon Geelong bent us over again with this guy.    

Pickett I don't know about anymore more. Had high hopes for him and yes I know he has had an injury interrupted season but hes another one that just gives nothing when having a quiet day. Its a bad trait IMO.

Wont bother on O'shea, Graham and Polson except to say makes life so much harder when you play 3 down.

Harry made me realise he might just live up to the talk - looks ready to have a breakout season like Charlie did this year, next year.  

Ain’t Apples and apples unfortunately.

CARLTON
B: Liam Jones Alex Silvagni Jacob Weitering
HB: Kade Simpson Lachie Plowman Caleb Marchbank
C: Sam Docherty Patrick Cripps Jed Lamb
HF: Ed Curnow Dale Thomas Charlie Curnow
F: Liam Sumner Levi Casboult Matthew Wright
R: Matthew Kreuzer Bryce Gibbs Marc Murphy
Int: Jack Silvagni Zac Fisher David Cuningham Tom Williamson

Injury list heading into this game...
David Cuningham    Hamstring    Season
 Jesse Glass-McCasker    Knee    2 weeks
Sam Docherty*    Knee    Season
 Zac Fisher    Leg    Season
 Liam Jones    Knee    Season
 Matthew Kreuzer    Heart    Test
 Kym LeBois    Hamstring    4 weeks
 Cillian McDaid    Foot    1 week
Andrew Phillips    Hamstring    Season
Lachie Plowman    Knee    Season
 Alex Silvagni    Achilles    Season
 Jacob Weitering    Quad    Test
 Tom Williamson    Back

Add in J. Silvagni who was a late out with injury

Pay all of that! We definitely need some positives to cling to atm.

As frustrated as I am, when I look at what we could put on the field and what we are presently able to put on the field, the result is pretty clear.

[1] From last year's winning team 12 players are missing. Of those, 2 was traded and 1 was delisted.
[2] Of the remaining players, one (Casboult) played in the 2nds yesterday and has not recovered from injury.
[3] Of the remaining, two (Marchbank and Murphy have missed more than half of the season and are not close to full fitness.

That is 15 players from last year's team.
Using Krud's list of injured players from the in-game thread, note that:
[1] 9 of the injured players would be preferred choices to play.
[2] One, (Phillips) would be a 2nd preference, but one who is a much better ruckman than the one we still had on the field (Lobbe) and is also considerably better than those we played against today (Dawson Simpson and Rory Lobb).
[3] Two are relatively untried and may yet be footballers.

Any way you look at it, we are lacking the first requirement to win games: talent on the field. Far too much of our talent is in the stands.

The second thing we are lacking is something very basic: we don't take out the best midfielder of the opposition. We have one tagging midfielder, Ed Curnow, who is the only man who tags in the midfield. This is a problem that the games against Hawthorn and GWS really have shown: we need another guy who can take out top mids. We cannot have guys like Kelly or Mitchell have 40 - 50 possessions in a game.

Our third issue is that our defenders do not get close enough to their opponents.

And from today, what have we done to deserve such ordinary umpiring? In the first half we were murdered. In all the noise about problems in the game, why don't they reward more tackles? According to Dermott Brereton, the stats show that about 5% of tackles are rewarded each game. Many of them involve vases of incorrect disposal, but these tend to be ignored. Why?
Rather than stuff around with the rules, why not enforce the ones we have?

I don't understand how we can ask for one after the CEO came out and categorically stated we will not ask. I look forward to hearing him explain his way out of that.

We won't get a PP even if we ask, we did this to ourselves deliberately.

GC are the  opposite, they have a core of experienced players and are losing many of their best young players, yet they are as bad if not worse than us. They'll get a PP for sure which will devalue our later picks.

The system makes it almost impossible to get off the bottom.

You know how injury hit they are?

They had 16 on the ground and outscored us 7 goals to 1 in the last qtr. That you don't have patience with. That's a sacking.

interestingly GWS had 18 fit players but decided to rest and rotate players hence they player 16-17 throughout the last qtr. They treated us like idiots and we embarrassed ourselves in the process like at no other time that I can remember.

Agree...taking two off at once for a hammy rub is total disrespect....