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Reply #90 –
Quote from: Lods – on
We've just got to get him to 100 games for the father /son ;) :D

Isn't he dating that rather (very) cute lady who used to do the weekly CFC videos?
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Reply #91 –
LeCras and JSOS comparable?   Yes,  they are both human with one X chromosome,  as far as footballers they're different species.
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Reply #92 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
The fact that Lecras and Jack may share a few superficial characteristics does not in any way make them comparable players.

Exactly Paul!

At the same age Le Cras hadn’t achieved anywhere near what Jack has  ;)

Seriously though, I think Jeza has come up with a pretty good comparison and we’ll just have to wait for a season or two for Jack to go past Le Cras at his peak.
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Reply #93 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Exactly Paul!

At the same age Le Cras hadn’t achieved anywhere near what Jack has  ;)

Seriously though, I think Jeza has come up with a pretty good comparison and we’ll just have to wait for a season or two for Jack to go past Le Cras at his peak.

I simply don't see it. Jack is a C grader - good heart and brain, but that's not enough - terrible athleticism, ordinary set shot, average general skills. If he was cut from our list I can't see any other team selecting him.

I realise they're a decade apart, but at this point LeCras has been AA, a WCE B+F winner, and has won the Eagles goal kicking twice, kicking 50+ and 60+ goals in the process. I don't see Jack getting anywhere near that, but I'd be very happy to be proven wrong.

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Reply #94 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
I simply don't see it. Jack is a C grader - good heart and brain, but that's not enough - terrible athleticism, ordinary set shot, average general skills. If he was cut from our list I can't see any other team selecting him.

I realise they're a decade apart, but at this point LeCras has been AA, a WCE B+F winner, and has won the Eagles goal kicking twice, kicking 50+ and 60+ goals in the process. I don't see Jack getting anywhere near that, but I'd be very happy to be proven wrong.

That is BS Paul.

Jack is not worthy of any rating presently....

Judge hin when's he's 22?

Kouta was nothing till he was 22.....

SOS? Surely someone knows? i gather he took time too?
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Reply #95 –
To his credit Jack is desperately trying to improve his athleticism, by hiring a sprint coach etc.   Got to give him full marks for that.

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Reply #96 –
Quote from: flyboy77 – on
That is BS Paul.

Jack is not worthy of any rating presently....

Judge hin when's he's 22?

Kouta was nothing till he was 22.....

SOS? Surely someone knows? i gather he took time too?

Players get judged at every stage of their career, especially on supporter forums. I stand by my current assessment, and will be more than happy to say I got it wrong, should it come to that.
 

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Reply #97 –
Quote from: spf – on


Personally, the arrival of Andrew Fraser may be the greatest recruiting impact for next season
You mean Andrew Russell and not the convicted drug trafficking layer ;D ;D ;D
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Reply #98 –
Quote from: flyboy77 – on
That is BS Paul.

Jack is not worthy of any rating presently....

Judge hin when's he's 22?

Kouta was nothing till he was 22.....

SOS? Surely someone knows? i gather he took time too?

re SOS(s)
At this stage of their careers (age wise) SOS had been dropped for a (losing) grand final, played in a (winning) grand final and managed 45 games. (5 finals)
At the same stage, SOJ, has played 43 games (zero finals)

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Reply #99 –
How is it  we compare Mark LeCras and Jack Silvagni?......one is a small forward and the other plays mainly as a 3rd tall forward..

LeCras is a clever small to mid forward(182cm) who was a great kick for goal and had some tricks, also was very good over head for his size...
Jack is a 3rd tall forward around the McGovern size who has been tried as a tall onballer and a half back flanker..
IMO two different players, Jack is honest, tries hard but now McGovern has arrived is out of a job..

Because he is the son of a legendary player and now list manager he will get extra opportunities to find a position but has his work cut out unless
we have massive injuries. Setterfield is the new tall mid and we have half back flankers on tap now with Docherty, Williamson and Newman back/onboard.

Jack is jack of all trades but master of none unfortunately....he will become a delist candidate down the track given we are weeding out the spuds and will have less options
to chop if things go to plan, However the rookie list will probably be his saviour as I dont see his father or the club sending him on his way in a undignified manner...
 

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Reply #100 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
How is it  we compare Mark LeCras and Jack Silvagni?......one is a small forward and the other plays mainly as a 3rd tall forward..

LeCras is a clever small to mid forward(182cm) who was a great kick for goal and had some tricks, also was very good over head for his size...
Jack is a 3rd tall forward around the McGovern size who has been tried as a tall onballer and a half back flanker..
IMO two different players, Jack is honest, tries hard but now McGovern has arrived is out of a job..

Because he is the son of a legendary player and now list manager he will get extra opportunities to find a position but has his work cut out unless
we have massive injuries. Setterfield is the new tall mid and we have half back flankers on tap now with Docherty, Williamson and Newman back/onboard.

Jack is jack of all trades but master of none unfortunately....he will become a delist candidate down the track given we are weeding out the spuds and will have less options
to chop if things go to plan, However the rookie list will probably be his saviour as I dont see his father or the club sending him on his way in a undignified manner...

A very fair summation EB, up to young Jack to find his spot (and earn it) - or be chopped....
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Reply #101 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
How is it  we compare Mark LeCras and Jack Silvagni?......one is a small forward and the other plays mainly as a 3rd tall forward..

LeCras is a clever small to mid forward(182cm) who was a great kick for goal and had some tricks, also was very good over head for his size...
Jack is a 3rd tall forward around the McGovern size who has been tried as a tall onballer and a half back flanker..
IMO two different players, Jack is honest, tries hard but now McGovern has arrived is out of a job..

Because he is the son of a legendary player and now list manager he will get extra opportunities to find a position but has his work cut out unless
we have massive injuries. Setterfield is the new tall mid and we have half back flankers on tap now with Docherty, Williamson and Newman back/onboard.

Jack is jack of all trades but master of none unfortunately....he will become a delist candidate down the track given we are weeding out the spuds and will have less options
to chop if things go to plan, However the rookie list will probably be his saviour as I dont see his father or the club sending him on his way in a undignified manner...

Really? Eddie Betts is a small forward. Lecras is a lead up player, not overly quick with good hands and a good mark for his side. Plays taller than his cm.

You make good points about McGovern's arrival - last year Jack showed he is probably a HFF at the moment and that's it. He didn't do well in any of the other positions he was tried in and as we know the whole forward line struggled from lack of service.

The year before that was an outstanding year for a 19 year old forward pocket.

We won't know until he's 23 and filled out. His dad did start off built like a rake and he was massive by the end.

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Reply #102 –
Quote from: jeza – on
Lecras is a lead up player, not overly quick with good hands and a good mark for his side. Plays taller than his cm.

That's a fair summation, but relative to SoJ LeCras is lightning. I think you could clone LeCras and strap them together three legged race style and they would still have young SoJ covered.

But I hope this rumoured sprint training does the job, because I fear SoJ's first class football brain and unquestionable work ethic just won't be enough!
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Reply #103 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
IT supports my point, but both of them are not walk up starts at AFL level at this stage (at least as far as I was concerned).

The blokes I was talking about are the sort that could realistically expect to get a game for any club in the AFL.

It was meant to support your point.
None of Lang, Phillips or Casboult are likely to get a game with any other side.
Kennedy played 16 games in the giants midfield 2 years ago.
Williamson played almost a full year as our youngest listed player
They’re both easily on that list

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Reply #104 –
Quote from: JonHenry – on
It was meant to support your point.
None of Lang, Phillips or Casboult are likely to get a game with any other side.
Kennedy played 16 games in the giants midfield 2 years ago.
Williamson played almost a full year as our youngest listed player
They’re both easily on that list

Don't under estimate Lang JH but it's 2019 or nothin for him....
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