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Re: Formula 1

Reply #240
Yes, in race they were all able to close the margin on the McLarens, they just couldn't sustain it due to tyre degradation.



Excluding Sargeant and Ocon who tried for Fastest Lap late, the other times were after the last pit stop. McLaren had Mercedes, Ferrari and RB ahead of them, despite those cars being back in the traffic and McLaren up at the pointy end.

In qualifying McLaren used drafting to boost lap times, it was part of the pre-race discussions about whether drafting should be allowed.
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Re: Formula 1

Reply #241
Yes, in race they were all able to close the margin on the McLarens, they just couldn't sustain it due to tyre degradation.



Don't put the cart before the horse LP.

McLaren didn't need to 'go faster' to satisfy your need for pace.
Other teams needed to go hell for leather at certain stages.

The faster they go, the more the tyres wear. Thats how the system worked.

As is evident in qualifying. When McLaren need to go fast, they can do it.

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Reply #242
Don't put the cart before the horse LP.

McLaren didn't need to 'go faster' to satisfy your need for pace.
Norris and Piastri were trying to complete or defend undercuts, they both had hot laps after the tyres warmed, they were given permission to race each other, and both of them got disciplined on the radio for excessive tyre degradation, yet they were ultimately slower in the race, unless of course you think the numbers are meaningless! :o

Time of last pitstop similar, track conditions similar, fuel load similar, motivation similar, ............... yet slower.
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Re: Formula 1

Reply #243
Norris and Piastri were trying to complete or defend undercuts, they both had hot laps after the tyres warmed, they were given permission to race each other, and both of them got disciplined on the radio for excessive tyre degradation, yet they were ultimately slower in the race, unless of course you think the numbers are meaningless! :o

Time of last pitstop similar, track conditions similar, fuel load similar, motivation similar, ............... yet slower.

Engine modes and settings??

Facts are when they need to go fast (qualifying) they were the fastest cars.

Spin it any way you want.

Re: Formula 1

Reply #244
Laps times aren't spin, they are real.

Lando never needed that fastest lap point, what if he misses the championship by 1pt, I bet he'll regret that? ;D
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Reply #245
Much of the F1 establishment, at least the bit we see dominated by the Sky race crew (Nearly all of them Brits), are throwing their weight behind Lando Norris after Piastri's second win. Comments like, "this doesn't mean anything for team tactics" or "Lando is still the No.1". For those not following, Lando is a bit of a chosen one in Brit land.

Reality is Piastri has looked a class above from the day he started, back when his arrival clearly signalled the demise of Ricciardo, at least to me.

Piastri is cooler behind the wheel, doesn't break the machine, is technically excellent, smooth as silk, gets the job done with minimal fuss or bluster, does the right thing, behaves predictably, seems relentless, and appears to be marketable. These are not small scalps Piastri is claiming, he is making some old heads look like rookies. It comes with a bit of push back.

I can't wait to see what Jack Doohan is capable of, he is a racer type like his old man.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #246
Much of the F1 establishment, at least the bit we see dominated by the Sky race crew (Nearly all of them Brits), are throwing their weight behind Lando Norris after Piastri's second win. Comments like, "this doesn't mean anything for team tactics" or "Lando is still the No.1". For those not following, Lando is a bit of a chosen one in Brit land.

Reality is Piastri has looked a class above from the day he started, back when his arrival clearly signalled the demise of Ricciardo, at least to me.

Piastri is cooler behind the wheel, doesn't break the machine, is technically excellent, smooth as silk, gets the job done with minimal fuss or bluster, does the right thing, behaves predictably, seems relentless, and appears to be marketable. These are not small scalps Piastri is claiming, he is making some old heads look like rookies. It comes with a bit of push back.

I can't wait to see what Jack Doohan is capable of, he is a racer type like his old man.
Doohan is nowhere near as highly rated as Oscar was. Its any wonder Zac Brown fought tooth and nail to lure him across to McLaren. He will be a WC one day.
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Re: Formula 1

Reply #247
It's looking most likely to be Daniel Ricciardo's last hurrah tonight, worth tuning in if you have access.

He's had an extraordinary career defined by longevity and consistency, without ever tasting the ultimate success, a true professional.

All good things must end.
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Reply #248
Today saw Sir Lewis's first day at "school" (Ferrari), turned up looking absolutely impeccable acknowledging everything that is Italian style and class when it comes to dressing. The Italians lapped it right up.
Well played Sir Lewis, Benvenuto.
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Reply #249
I tell ya, I follow the hardest teams there is to follow, Carlton and Ferrari. Both promise everything during the preseason than fail.
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Reply #250
Watching F1 team politics today, McLaren shot itself in the foot leaving Norris ahead of Piastri. Norris was the slowest of the top three drivers but the Japan track makes in nearly impossible to pass without a pace advantage. They delayed and delayed and delayed telling Norris to get out of the way of the faster Piastri, and then it was pointless and too late.

Worse still, in trying to preserve his rank at McLaren Norris let Verstappen draw level.
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Re: Formula 1

Reply #251
Watching F1 team politics today, McLaren shot itself in the foot leaving Norris ahead of Piastri. Norris was the slowest of the top three drivers but the Japan track makes in nearly impossible to pass without a pace advantage. They delayed and delayed nad delayed telling Norris to get out of the way of the faster Piastri, and then it was pointless and too late.

Worse still, in trying top preserve his ranking in McLaren Norris let Verstappen draw level.
Pommy F1 mafia at work.
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2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
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2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: Formula 1

Reply #252
Watching F1 team politics today, McLaren shot itself in the foot leaving Norris ahead of Piastri. Norris was the slowest of the top three drivers but the Japan track makes in nearly impossible to pass without a pace advantage. They delayed and delayed nad delayed telling Norris to get out of the way of the faster Piastri, and then it was pointless and too late.

Worse still, in trying top preserve his ranking in McLaren Norris let Verstappen draw level.

I fell asleep during the race today, literally, woke up about 30 laps later and everybody was in the same positions.

Unacceptable in the modern age to have such boring races.