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Re: Formula 1

Reply #255 –
Piastri is correct to be pissed off with the penalty that cost him the race, this is F1 politics at it's finest.

Interesting also that it's again Red Bull involved, because Verstappen did the exact same thing in a race earlier this season and wasn't penalised at all, while last night Piastri got what is probably the maximum penalty for the same action. Who complains makes a difference.

Perhaps karma got even with Max for bleating about Piastri slowing, but it doesn't help McLaren who now have two drivers head to head, but it helps Red Bull to have Piastri and Norris squabbling.

btw., IN case somebody thinks it's spitting chips for Piastri, he was basically the clear best driver on the day, passing Verstappen, maintaining and growing a gap in front. While Norris only gained ground through other driver errors and penalties.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #256 –
Quote from: LP – on
Piastri is correct to be pissed off with the penalty that cost him the race, this is F1 politics at it's finest.

Interesting also that it's again Red Bull involved, because Verstappen did the exact same thing in a race earlier this season and wasn't penalised at all, while last night Piastri got what is probably the maximum penalty for the same action. Who complains makes a difference.

Perhaps karma got even with Max for bleating about Piastri slowing, but it doesn't help McLaren who now have two drivers head to head, but it helps Red Bull to have Piastri and Norris squabbling.

btw., IN case somebody thinks it's spitting chips for Piastri, he was basically the clear best driver on the day, passing Verstappen, maintaining and growing a gap in front. While Norris only gained ground through other driver errors and penalties.

What happened is akin to 'deliberate out of bounds'.
Everyone knows what was happening and why it was happening, but its rare someone gets penalised for it.
He got penalised for it. Yes, it was harsh, but he 100% did it and tried to cover it up.

Working against him was the fact McLaren have been poking fun at Verstappen being on 11 points knowing 1 more could get him penalised for a race. They have said they will put him in a position to make a call on a 50-50 that could mean he'd lose his last remaining point and a race as a result.

So yes, i feel for Piastri.
However, It was dangerous, it has happened plenty of times before and technically the rules were right.

It worked out 'good enough' anyway as verstappen spun a few corners later and all it meant was Norris got a win instead of 2nd place and vice versa.

Piastri is performing better than Lando.
Is better at overtaking than Lando.
Handles pressure better than Lando.
Ultimately should win the championship over Lando we well.

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Reply #257 –
Rules in sport shouldn't be discretionary, they should not be applied arbitrarily.

F1 like the AFL wants to have influence over outcomes, the problem is never the rule itself but how the rule is applied.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #258 –
Horner sacked...

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Reply #259 –
Quote from: dodge – on
Horner sacked...
Wow!
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
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Reply #260 –
Such is F1 politics, it looks like Horner called out Verstappen's old man for brokering a move to Mercedes, backdooring RB Racing. Max was asking too much to remain at RB. and Horner told Jos Verstappen as much. But Jos is a friend of the RB Executive had his revenge, and now it looks like Max will get his way, the ultimate spoilt child, despite also being a very good driver in a car exclusively configured to his preference.

In F1, money talks, always has and always will.

I think it's a mistake, RB have now kyboshed the two people who could actually technically deliver on Max's requests, Newey and Horner.

I won't be surprised to hear that Max will get a big deal, and yet still be gone from RB within a season or two, they won't be able to deliver, it will break the team, and he'll blame everyone else for the lack of success. This is why Zac Brown said he'd rather see Max stay at RB than head to Mercedes, he doesn't want Max at a team that can deliver a car to his liking, he'd rather Max stays at RB and destroys the joint.

btw., None of this is new to F1, you've seen it all before with "Seb the Breaker"
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #261 –
As much as I dont like the prick, Horner is exactly the man Ferrari need.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

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Reply #262 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
As much as I dont like the prick, Horner is exactly the man Ferrari need.
Possibly true, but Ferrari might be too big of a change, geographically and culturally. Ignoring what they list as their "home track", the UK based teams basically live and work within a 10km radius of each other, Ferrari is a huge change of venue and an even bigger change in culture.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #263 –
Verstappen (both younger and older) are going to, if they haven't already, ruined Red Bull Racing.

Horner and the verstappens have a beef that gets taken above Horners head and gets the desired result......that will come back to bite them.

Horner SHOULD make the switch to Ferrari as has been rumoured for a while and be able to turn that team around.

I'm sure Lawrence Stroll will be having a chat with Horner as well.....although potential issues with Newey may stop that before it starts.

In any event, if it wasn't Neweys departure, this will signal the end for Red Bull as the disappear into obscurity.
Next announcement we hear from them could be Jos taking up the seat in the second red bull  ::)

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Reply #264 –
Quote from: LP – on
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
As much as I dont like the prick, Horner is exactly the man Ferrari need.
Possibly true, but Ferrari might be too big of a change, geographically and culturally. Ignoring what they list as their "home track", the UK based teams basically live and work within a 10km radius of each other, Ferrari is a huge change of venue and an even bigger change in culture.
Ross Brawn, Rory Byrne made a fist of it back in the day, 5 drivers WCs. The Ferrari F1 team has too many Italians running it.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

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Reply #265 –
If you ever want to see how politics and finances can b0rk up sport, watch the last 10 laps of the Italian GP!

You'll be Gobsmacked at the McLaren decisions.

Piastri is being treated like a placeholder for a Norris world title.

Actually it started in Quali, when Piastri was ordered to give Norris a tow that let Norris qualify ahead of Piastri on the grid, and it ended late in the race when Piastri was told to give Norris 2nd place.

All this happening while Piastri sits points clear at the top of the drivers table, and the 3rd placed Verstappen winning the race?

McLaren basically dealt Max back into the contest, was this to stop Lando turning sook?
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"
 

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Reply #266 –
Quote from: LP – on
If you ever want to see how politics and finances can b0rk up sport, watch the last 10 laps of the Italian GP!

You'll be Gobsmacked at the McLaren decisions.

Piastri is being treated like a placeholder for a Norris world title.

Actually it started in Quali, when Piastri was ordered to give Norris a tow that let Norris qualify ahead of Piastri on the grid, and it ended late in the race when Piastri was told to give Norris 2nd place.

All this happening while Piastri sits points clear at the top of the drivers table, and the 3rd placed Verstappen winning the race?

McLaren basically dealt Max back into the contest, was this to stop Lando turning sook?

Lando let Piastri pit first, so he could get stay out in front of LeClerc.

Had Lando said, yep, i'll pit first.....and he ended up behind, then nothing would've had to be swapped.

It was seen as Lando played the team game, so Oscar should play the team game.

You can understand that logic...whether you agree with it or not is another story.

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Reply #267 –
It's a racing incident, not a tactic, that's twice this season they've asked Piastri to slow up and let Norris pass, it doesn't make sense unless you want Norris to win the title.

Verstappen if quoted correctly probably put it best, post race he said something like "I'd let Norris pass but only if he caught me". Inferring that if he could keep the gap or pull away it was bad luck for Norris, just that bad luck and nothing more.

Also Piastri was previously told a pitstop event is a racing incident, and if it happens it's bad luck for the other driver, until it wasn't!

Why would Piastri ever have to trust them, is it because Lando's dad is a billionaire who can cause all sorts of commercial havoc?
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #268 –
Quote from: LP – on
It's a racing incident, not a tactic, that's twice this season they've asked Piastri to slow up and let Norris pass, it doesn't make sense unless you want Norris to win the title.

Verstappen if quoted correctly probably put it best, post race he said something like "I'd let Norris pass but only if he caught me". Inferring that if he could keep the gap or pull away it was bad luck for Norris, just that bad luck and nothing more.

Also Piastri was previously told a pitstop event is a racing incident, and if it happens it's bad luck for the other driver, until it wasn't!

Why would Piastri ever have to trust them, is it because Lando's dad is a billionaire who can cause all sorts of commercial havoc?

I don't agree with it, i'm just saying i can see their logic.

Personally, i would've loved Piastri to pit first, then have a safety car which would've dropped Norris back to 4 (or worse!)

You don't have to worry about it anyway.
Norris crumbles under pressure and can't pass anyone.
Piastri thrives under pressure and can pass anyone.

Norris will crap the bed later in the year

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Reply #269 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Norris will crap the bed later in the year
I think the problem is going to be that it will likely be Piastri the victim if Norris loses the plot, Max will be stoking those fires. Last night Norris basically kept running wide, couldn't or wouldn't stay on the track which helped him maintain a buffer. Piastri didn't put a foot wrong, smooth as silk.

Long term Piastri could be a World Champion, if McLaren dud him in 2025 it will open the door for Piastri to move to one of the other strong teams, he'll be welcomed with open arms because he has that point of difference. Horner basically made that point, half joking, and it got him the ar5e because RBR are hell bent on keeping Max out of a Mercedes! As an aside, it's stupid that Mercedes hasn't yet signed Russell, but maybe they are doing so deliberately to disrupt RBR.

Like AFL I think F1 has a problem, the old blokes have all the connections and political clout. So they hang on long after the use-by-date has rolled over. We see it this year from Alonso and Hamilton, as much as I love them they haven't got it anymore, like Ricciardo. Legends, nice blokes, but finished. Hamilton realised it a couple of races back and it hurt. Fans can't let go, they defend them as being just 1/10th off, but 1/10th off in F1 is almost lapped by the end of the race!

The Sky team don't help the situation, and the true fans aren't idiots, that is I assume why Norris was booed onto the podium. Nobody wants a synthetic result.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"