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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #390 –
Quote from: flyboy77 – on
What flawed logic is that LP - that is offensive.
You can't deny what has already happened, it's not fake news, and you're preaching a philosophy that can potentially leads morons into repeating the same mistakes of the past.

You're offering the coronavirus version of Nietzsche's Alt-Right loving philosophy, you can't hope to claim you're innocent retrospectively and you can't undo the damage once it's done if it happens!

You're arguing the societal version of "There, there, there, the danger has past it'll be alright!" You might well be right, but it's just a disastrously uniformed coin toss that your publicly broadcast opinion is based on! The dead set tell is hidden in the certainty of your convictions.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #391 –
Quote from: LP – on
You can't deny what has already happened, it's not fake news, and you're preaching an philosophy that leads morons into repeating the same mistakes of the past.

You're offering the coronavirus version of Nietzsche's Alt-Right loving philosophy, you can't claim you're innocent retrospectively and you can't undo the damage once it's done!

There's nothing alt-right or racist in his philosophy. His sister Elizabeth, who certainly was racist and outlived Nietzsche, re-presented his ideas in dubious and incorrect ways that facilitated a link to racist / hard right groups. Much the same way that Reagan co-opted, or tried to co-opt, Born In The USA, as propaganda.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #392 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
There's nothing alt-right or racist in his philosophy. His sister Elizabeth, who certainly was racist and outlived Nietzsche, re-presented his ideas in dubious and incorrect ways that facilitated a link to racist / hard right groups. Much the same way that Reagan co-opted, or tried to co-opt, Born In The USA, as propaganda.
First, I'll concede that Nietzsche's intent was probably different from the outcome, I too do not believe he was racist, but his language was dangerous.

Often it's how something is written not what their intent might be, the unintended consequences of loose language, the language of systematic and endemic slavery and oppression as a natural outcome or phenomenon of society. It infers an inequality, a lesser class.

A complication is that language changes with generations, something quite moderate in the 1900s might be consider radical in the 2000s.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #393 –
Quote from: LP – on
Often it's how something is written not what their intent might be, the unintended consequences of loose language, the language of systematic and endemic slavery and oppression as a natural outcome or phenomenon of society. It infers an inequality, a lesser class.

A complication is that language changes with generations, something quite moderate in the 1900s might be consider radical in the 2000s.

It's not Nietzsche's fault if people can't read.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/oct/06/exploding-nietzsche-myths-need-dynamiting

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #394 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
It's not Nietzsche's fault if people can't read.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/oct/06/exploding-nietzsche-myths-need-dynamiting
It's not about can or cannot, it's about emphasis, Prideaux is naive if she thinks everyone who reads the same paragraph takes away the same meaning.

Think of Flyboy's case argued above, he reads the stats and opinions and states an opinion that things have peaked and intentionally or not preaches a philosophy that can be used to argue relaxing countermeasures. Someone else can read the same stats and opinions and think the worst is yet to come. The two interpretations lead to different paths, one fundamentally stating the price is life, and the other stating life is priceless.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #395 –
I have simply stated what the data suggests - that new cases are peaking....

The next few days will either confirm or negate that trend.

LP, if you want to refute that, try your guts out, but the numbers are what they are...

But instead you, the font of all knowledge, jumps into some ideologically based rant.....

Laughable.
Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #396 –
Quote from: LP – on
It's not about can or cannot, it's about emphasis, Prideaux is naive if she thinks everyone who reads the same paragraph takes away the same meaning.

Think of Flyboy's case argued above, he reads the stats and opinions and says things have peaked and intentionally or not preached a philosophy that can be used to argue relaxing countermeasures. Someone else can read the same stats and opinions and think the worst is yet to come. The two interpretations lead to different paths, one fundamentally stating the price is life, and the other stating life is priceless.

That is an outright lie, born of your own philosophical bent.
Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #397 –
Quote from: LP – on
It's not about can or cannot, it's about emphasis, Prideaux is naive if she thinks everyone who reads the same paragraph takes away the same meaning.

it is simply not possible to convey complex ideas and concepts in a wholly unambiguous way. The problem of misinterpretation exists with every book of note ever written.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #398 –
Quote from: flyboy77 – on
That is an outright lie, born of your own philosophical bent.
No it's not a lie, it's an opinion about another published opinion, opinions that can spread like a virus, perhaps even faster given the world's connectivity.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #399 –
Quote from: flyboy77 – on
I have simply stated what the data suggests - that new cases are peaking....

The next few days will either confirm or negate that trend.

LP, if you want to refute that, try your guts out, but the numbers are what they are...

But instead you, the font of all knowledge, jumps into some ideologically based rant.....

Laughable.
I've made no commentary about stats or numbers, I'm debating ideas, innocent but potentially dangerous ideas.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #400 –
Quote from: LP – on
I've made no commentary about stats or numbers, I'm debating ideas, innocent but potentially dangerous ideas.

Duh, I put up an objective assessment of empirical data.

You extrapolate that into some philosophical position. More fool you.

I say BS to that sort of behaviour..

You're the type who talks over everyone else at a dinner party - because you think you know better - and therein lies your flaw.
Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #401 –
Quote from: flyboy77 – on
Duh, I put up an objective assessment of empirical data.

You extrapolate that into some philosophical position. More fool you.

I say BS to that sort of behaviour..

You're the type who talks over everyone else at a dinner party - because you think you know better - and therein lies your flaw.
Something that uses a basic computer algorithm to present a count off like the ticking of a clock is not empirical data.

Again, I've published no conclusion about the stats, all I've done is question your certainty and thoughts which came about from contradictory position you published in your words. You can't believe the peak has passed then call for healthy people gathering in public to be fined, it exposes the underlying beliefs you have on the situation. You having a bob each way!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #402 –
"You can't believe the peak has passed then call for healthy people gathering in public to be fined, it exposes the underlying beliefs you have on the situation. You having a bob each way!"

I'm saying the data SUGGESTS new cases may have peaked - don't tweak the pitch to suit your agenda.

And, by definition, it is empirical data - whether you like it or not. Even if you think the numbers are derived by algorithm. Which is odd in itself.

ps And not once did I suggest that restrictions could or should be relaxed, nor that such steps wouldn't see numbers jump again.

My word you're boorish.
Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #404 –
Quote from: flyboy77 – on
"You can't believe the peak has passed then call for healthy people gathering in public to be fined, it exposes the underlying beliefs you have on the situation. You having a bob each way!"

I'm saying the data SUGGESTS new cases may have peaked - don't tweak the pitch to suit your agenda.

And, by definition, it is empirical data - whether you like it or not. Even if you think the numbers are derived by algorithm. Which is odd in itself.

ps And not once did I suggest that restrictions could or should be relaxed, nor that such steps wouldn't see numbers jump again.

My word you're boorish.
It's true, you were only guessing, placing a bet.

You took offence at me pointing out some logical inconsistency in your published opinion and dragged this into a massive circular debate. Then when I refused to give your opinion any more significance than it deserves you made it personal and trotted out the usual the old adages.

No matter which way you go, it won't make your points logically consistent.

And no, a clock counting cases based on a time algorithm is not empirical, if the algorithm could make some accurate prediction like the case surge in Spain it might be useful, but it didn't and I doubt epidemiologists are going to pay much attention to something that gets manually reset or corrected by a javascript web programmer after the fact.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"