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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4800 –
We keep being told that when 70 percent of the adult population is vaccinated restrictions will ease, the states will begin opening up, and we can all be more positive about the near future.

And yet in Northern Ireland yesterday, with a population of 1.5 million people and 73 percent of the adult population fully vaccinated, there were 1,460 cases of covid and nine deaths recorded.

Also, it was reported that their hospitals are overwhelmed with covid cases and in the last three weeks 176 of their red flag cancer operations have had to be postponed.

It seems that the Federal government is hiding the reality of what lies ahead for us in the months leading up to Christmas and beyond.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4802 –
Quote from: Macca37 – on
We keep being told that when 70 percent of the adult population is vaccinated restrictions will ease, the states will begin opening up, and we can all be more positive about the near future.

And yet in Northern Ireland yesterday, with a population of 1.5 million people and 73 percent of the adult population fully vaccinated, there were 1,460 cases of covid and nine deaths recorded.

Also, it was reported that their hospitals are overwhelmed with covid cases and in the last three weeks 176 of their red flag cancer operations have had to be postponed.

It seems that the Federal government is hiding the reality of what lies ahead for us in the months leading up to Christmas and beyond.

I have my doubts it is exclusively the Federal Government. I think the national cabinet is well aware.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4803 –
I think this is an interesting watch:
https://youtu.be/J5D44HWw68U

Pay particular attention to Prof Bowtells segment.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4804 –
I like Bowtell. His opinion is straight to the point and easily understood, unlike so much of the political waffle we have to endure on a daily basis.

I was disturbed to hear on late night news yesterday that bayside suburbs from Elwood to Black Rock had 45 percent of the eligible adult population double vaccinated while suburbs in the north and west currently with the highest covid cases had vaccination rates of the same group at a low 23 percent.

If the current high level of infection is not enough to motivate people in those areas to vaccinate, I don't know what will.

It would seem that the light at the end of the tunnel representing 80 percent double vaccination is diminishing to a pinprick of light.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4805 –
Quote from: Macca37 – on
I like Bowtell. His opinion is straight to the point and easily understood, unlike so much of the political waffle we have to endure on a daily basis.

I was disturbed to hear on late night news yesterday that bayside suburbs from Elwood to Black Rock had 45 percent of the eligible adult population double vaccinated while suburbs in the north and west currently with the highest covid cases had vaccination rates of the same group at a low 23 percent.

If the current high level of infection is not enough to motivate people in those areas to vaccinate, I don't know what will.

It would seem that the light at the end of the tunnel representing 80 percent double vaccination is diminishing to a pinprick of light.


The wealthier suburbs always have a higher takeup, think its the same story in Sydney too with the west lagging the others.
Lack of education, poor English skills etc due to higher migrant population lead to that poorer understanding of how serious things are. They rely a lot on leadership from the different communities to show the way and the Government need to zero in on those leaders and help them spread the word.
The 80% is a bit of furphy given its 80% of the adult population they are talking about...IMHO it will need to be 70-80% of the entire population including eligible children and thats going to be a hard sell getting parents to agree to getting youngsters jabbed.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4806 –
The government funded SBS?

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4807 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
The wealthier suburbs always have a higher takeup, think its the same story in Sydney too with the west lagging the others.
Lack of education, poor English skills etc due to higher migrant population lead to that poorer understanding of how serious things are. They rely a lot on leadership from the different communities to show the way and the Government need to zero on on those leaders and help them spread the word.
The 80% is a bit of furphy given its 80% of the adult population they are talking about...IMHO it will need to be 70-80% of the entire population including eligible children and thats going to be a hard sell getting parents to agree to getting youngsters jabbed.


I think during the second or third lockdown it was realised that in just the City of Wyndham residents speak  a combined total of 150 different languages and dialects.   I gained the impression that community leaders were approached then to try to get the importance of testing and vaccination through to their communities.

Compounding the problem is the fact that a minority of residents are not able to read or write in their own language,  ensuring that they will be unaware of how our society operates.

The 80% is a furphy if it does not include eligible children.  Without them included the true vaccination rate falls to the low 50s, well below the safe figure for opening up. If Gladys and the PM continue building false expectations based on 80% of vaccinated adults only, then our hospital sector is going to be placed in an impossible position.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4808 –
Quote from: Macca37 – on
The 80% is a furphy if it does not include eligible children.  Without them included the true vaccination rate falls to the low 50s, well below the safe figure for opening up. If Gladys and the PM continue building false expectations based on 80% of vaccinated adults only, then our hospital sector is going to be placed in an impossible position.
My concern isn't the vaccination of children in the short term, as the data appears to support the idea that "in the short term" Sars-CoV-2 isn't going to cause severe illness in children. However, I do worry about the long term effects in those infected children and what impact that may have on the health system. Children, especially very young children, are not cheap to treat and there are far fewer specialist resources available for them with most being centrally located!

On opening up, in terms of Delta the 80% vaccination rate in adults is almost the bare minimum. It's basically tripping over the finish line in last place.

It looks like Gladys Burythemall's procrastination has ultimately brought NSW undone, epidemiologists were predicting 2000 cases a day a couple of weeks back, and I thought NSW did well to keep that in check, but in reality all the half-ar5ed restrictions did was slow the rise in numbers. They are now predicting 2000 day within the next fortnight. NSW just isn't locking down hard enough and haven't had anywhere near the vaccine uptake they need, sooner or later they will be forced to lockdown really hard as hospitals overload.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #4809 –
Victoria's cases are going up quicker.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

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Reply #4810 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Victoria's cases are going up quicker.
I presume you mean as a percentage of each state's case count, because in the last 7 days Vic had roughly 450 new cases(+65%), while NSW had about 9500(+30%)?

I still do not get the point you are trying to make, what you are trying to assert or what you want to claim!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4811 –
Quote from: LP – on
I presume you mean as a percentage of each state's case count, because in the last 7 days Vic had roughly 450 new cases(+65%), while NSW had about 9500(+30%)?

I still do not get the point you are trying to make, what you are trying to assert or what you want to claim!

Go from zero. Basic math as you love to say.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4812 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Go from zero. Basic math as you love to say.
I suppose assuming the contact tracing was a constant it might have some relevance, otherwise you must make adjustments for how that has changed over time to get a viable relative measure. Remember the argy-bargy over which state was better, that exists because they are/were different.

Also to be pedantic how each jurisdiction define a positive might be an issue, also how each jurisdiction positives, I'm not sure if we have a Federal standard yet.

Of course the starting point is relative when you discuss percentages, going from 1 case to 2 is 100% increase. Just like the original wave, the worst figures come early on, the real trend is only resolved after a much longer period.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4813 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Victoria's cases are going up quicker.

You thought otherwise?

When you have 1000's of protesters together, this was the only result that could have happened....and i don;t think we've peaked out yet.

FWIW, my brother got a message that he was at a tier 1 site.....it was later downgraded to tier 2 (he's negative)...the site? Vaccination centre!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4814 –
I've just got back from Bunnings.  I have a ticket that would get me inside during the lockdown but, if I do need something urgently, I click and collect.  Two blokes left the store while I was waiting for my order, .  One had a bottle of Seasol and was wearing his mask under his chin.  The other bloke had a can of spray paint and had his mask under his nose  ::)

On the way home I heard reports about the religious gathering in Ripponlea  >:(

There really are some farkwits out there!
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!