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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6315 –
Surely the Perth teams can just play their season as an away season!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6316 –
Quote from: LP – on
Surely the Perth teams can just play their season as an away season!

Or they can sit out. Maybe we could play an international rules game against them at the end of the season.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6317 –
Looks like a reduction in isolation/quarantine time is being considered in Australia according to The Age. Not only that, the definition of close contact might be tweaked to reduce the number of people who are required to quarantine. As I suggested, that may have a pretty big impact at AFL level.

There's also a suggestion that at-home rapid testing is better than PCR testing in current circumstances given it's better at determining if someone is currently infectious while PCR testing can return positive results well after someone has ceased to be infectious.

All this is unfolding while Victoria is starting to spike (3767 new cases) while NSW is going exponential (11,201 new cases). And the report from Imperial College concluded "these estimates translate into Omicron VE estimates of between 0% and 20% PD2 and between 55% and 80% PD3 against Omicron, consistent with other estimates"; in other words, full vaccination with 2 doses is only 0-20% effective while the booster fares much better with 55-80% effectiveness. And being infected with Covid confers almost no resistance to re-infection with Omicron (so anti-vaxxers can stop hosting their pox-parties). Pardon me while I rush off to book in for the booster ...

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6318 –
I never understood the advice that if you test positive at home which is 97% accurate that you should go out and line up with hundreds of people and nurses just to make sure.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

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Reply #6319 –
Agreed. Lining up has always bemused me. I went to drive-through testing stations where the risk was limited to the staff who took the swabs. I did line up to get the vaccine, but there was no reason to believe that the people in the queue were any more likely to be infected than any randoms you might find in the streets (and perhaps less as vaccine clinics tried to keep the infected out). On the other hand, in the testing queues there'd be people who fear they have been infected, so there's a pretty good chance that a few people in the queue are infectious.

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Reply #6320 –
Close contact definition changed to make the numbers look better by not clogging testing facilities. It's DIY testing now in the main with Rat Kits, already watched one couple walk out of the chemist because they thought the Rat Kits were free. Governments are going to have to provide them free for low income earners, pensioners etc or people won't test themselves..
You don't want symptomatic people fronting up at chemist's either infecting others because testing lines are too long. Need more collection and lab staff....

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Reply #6321 –
If you don't get tested, you can't test positive.  

If you don't check in anywhere, you can't be a close contact.

If people ceased these activities how would our pandemic look?

This post is half tongue in cheek, but we are traveling at massive positive case load for really low numbers in hospital currently.   Modelling forecasting a peak in feb, but the goalposts have shifted a lot over the last month. 
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6322 –
Very true Thry ... but how do we define cases against infection types?  Massive increases in the former, weird assignments of deaths.  That is, what is attributable to Delta as opposed to Omicron?

Deaths plummeted in the UK, they rose exponentially in the States in the last 24 hours.
And case numbers remained relatively consistent with trend.
 
What was it?  13 deaths VIC 1 death NSW and they have way over double the number of infections.

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Reply #6323 –
Walked past about four chemists and all with signs saying sold out of Rapid Test kits.....Not sure how ScoMo thinks this new DIY regime is going to work if you cant get the test kits.

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Reply #6324 –
Quote from: capcom – on
Very true Thry ... but how do we define cases against infection types?  Massive increases in the former, weird assignments of deaths.  That is, what is attributable to Delta as opposed to Omicron?
Nationally they have stopped testing for variants, the results come too slowly to be of any real use anyway!

I wouldn't call 745 in NSW hospitals low numbers, I realise it's a low percentage relative to the cases, but the problem with Omicron is the the R0 is so high even at very low hospitalisation rates you can go from a few hundred in hospital to a few thousand in hospital in the blink of an eye! That is the tightrope locations like the UK and USA are walking right now, when the beds run out the death rate won't remain low!

Even so, I'm still far more worried about the lone term effects of Omicron on kids and infants, it's not being given enough respect simply because it's perceived as low death risk. But if you end up with 15% of cases having some degree of long term disability with an very wide age spread, then the co$t will be crippling to the economy for decades and decades!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #6325 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Walked past about four chemists and all with signs saying sold out of Rapid Test kits.....Not sure how ScoMo thinks this new DIY regime is going to work if you cant get the test kits.
All part of Scomos plan, someone else to blame.
Let’s go BIG !

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Reply #6326 –
Interesting to read a recent report on the national outlook, when politicians promised more ICU beds in the year up to Nov 2021 the total number of available ICU beds fell by 10% because of staffing shortages!

As @Thryleon and others have pointed out, it makes no difference how many beds and ventilators you provide if there is nobody to staff them!

Presuming the trend continues, this drop is happening as COVID expands. The public think they'll be OK, they'll get Omicron and as the media states it's milder so they'll have a short stay in hospital and it will be all good, that whole fantasy can evaporate in just a week or two at the current rate of case growth!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6327 –
The staffing shortages is (for mine) a great concern.  Who wouldn't suffer burn out at the rate they've been going for 2 years.  And what we know now are the exploding cases of recent days, not those yet to come to light.

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Reply #6328 –
Just a couple of weeks back the media laughed at and derided that scientist in NSW who predicted 25K cases a day, most of us including myself thought he was talking worst case!

Now they are saying if they can't get the brakes on 150k a day is a possibility in NSW, God help the hospitals and staff, Australia is not equipped to deal with this, never was and never will be!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #6329 –
Quote from: LP – on
Just a couple of weeks back the media laughed at and derided that scientist in NSW who predicted 25K cases a day, most of us including myself thought he was talking worst case!

Now they are saying if they can't get the brakes on 150k a day is a possibility in NSW, God help the hospitals and staff, Australia is not equipped to deal with this, never was and never will be!
Yep, numbers today from NSW are scary, the death, hospital admission ratios etc are no worse but having so many cases increases those numbers significantly and you are right its going to stress the system bigtime.