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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2715 –
Notice the Vic State Gov is now making noise on funding CSL to make mRNA, surprise, surprise. ::)

We'd discussed here that CSL was potentially milking the Federal AstraZeneca funds first, to get the pre-existing outdated kit upgraded and modernised, and that there would be further/new government investment required to kit up for mRNA.

Get what you want first, then what you really need next, I guess we were right!

The $50M is the tip of the iceberg, sorry for the cynicism.

btw., Do not confuse corporate greed with the vaccine efficacy, the scientists are genuine, the high level executives and bureaucrats not so much!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2716 –
Quote from: LP – on
Notice the Vic State Gov is now making noise on funding CSL to make mRNA, surprise, surprise. ::)

We'd discussed here that CSL was potentially milking the Federal AstraZeneca funds first, to get the pre-existing outdated kit upgraded and modernised, and that there would be further/new government investment required to kit up for mRNA.

Get what you want first, then what you really need next, I guess we were right!

The $50M is the tip of the iceberg, sorry for the cynicism.

btw., Do not confuse corporate greed with the vaccine efficacy, the scientists are genuine, the high level executives and bureaucrats not so much!

Ive often wondered if this hasnt been one giant social engineering experiment.

Ive seen the following reactions which have always made me concerned:

1.  Its just a virus, treat it and move on.
2.  We can treat it with Remdesivir and Ivermectin.
3.  We need a vaccine, heres one that we want to administer but the public are reluctant lets give them a false one first like AZ.
4.  Manufacture genetic modificating ones like Pfizer and because of AZ shortfall, they will want Pfizer.

Interesting.

Ive seen various different modes of reaction from the public all craving something no one had ever heard of 18 months ago.

Without going into the debate regarding what the science shows, its very interesting social behaviour occurring.  I still believe the best answer is to wait and observe.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2717 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Ive seen the following reactions which have always made me concerned:

1.  Its just a virus, treat it and move on.
2.  We can treat it with Remdesivir and Ivermectin.
3.  We need a vaccine, heres one that we want to administer but the public are reluctant lets give them a false one first like AZ.
4.  Manufacture genetic modificating ones like Pfizer and because of AZ shortfall, they will want Pfizer.
Much of what you quote above is social media commentary, it's never come from health officials other than Trump and a few other 3rd world politicians.

Waiting to react ignores the massive risk of COVID that comes with doing nothing, the risk between using the vaccines now is trivial compared to risking a 3rd wave. Have look at 3rd wave parts of Europe and India now! Some of the new variants appear just as devastating for <30s as they are for >65s!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2718 –
It is truly weird in Europe.  A month or so back, the UK peaks were 1000+ deaths a day.  They're now well below 100.  Poland were doing well, certainly better than France, German, Italy and Spain and hardly any deaths (comparatively) up to Oct 2020.  Now they've skyrocketed.  Stuffed if I know ........
 

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2720 –
Quote from: LP – on
Much of what you quote above is social media commentary, it's never come from health officials other than Trump and a few other 3rd world politicians.

Waiting to react ignores the massive risk of COVID that comes with doing nothing, the risk between using the vaccines now is trivial compared to risking a 3rd wave. Have look at 3rd wave parts of Europe and India now! Some of the new variants appear just as devastating for <30s as they are for >65s!

No, they are my own observations, and they are formed based on what I have heard bandied about.

Zinc and Remdesivir, Ivermectin being pushed by various politicians.

All of it, in demand by people who had never heard of the stuff before (Flyboy on these very forums).  Ive done some reading on both the drugs that are not available to public, and they are middling.  Side effects are very real and horrific, and effectiveness on treating covid unproven, but the social engineering to make people want it I find very intrigueing.

Note, I simply look at the psychology.  As for europe, as they come out of winter and back into summer, the graphs are simply following the current pattern. 

Sepetember will give us a lot more of an insight into whether the vaccine works at  all.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2721 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
If you have suffered with Herpes related conditions in the past you might want to think about the CoVid vaccines too......\
I haven't read that in any official channels, do you have a reference?

We need to be careful to delineate what might be genuine medical concerns with common scare tactics. Given how widespread herpes infections are in society you would have thought any connection to the vaccines would have been well and truly exposed by now. They say about 50% of the world population is exposed to herpes to some degree, that means 300 Million already vaccinated individuals have had some herpes exposure. This is where the strength of the numbers can potentially cut through the bullsh1t!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2722 –
Quote from: LP – on
I haven't read that in any official channels, do you have a reference?

We need to be careful to delineate what might be genuine medical concerns with common scare tactics. Given how widespread herpes infections are in society you would have thought any connection to the vaccines would have been well and truly exposed by now. They say about 50% of the world population is exposed to herpes to some degree, that means 300 Million already vaccinated individuals have had some herpes exposure. This is where the strength of the numbers can potentially cut through the bullsh1t!
Check your PM's

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2724 –
Just jumped the queue and got my first AstraZeneca jab 😳

... and they didn’t ask about herpes!
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2725 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Just jumped the queue and got my first AstraZeneca jab 😳

... and they didn’t ask about herpes!
Smooth sailing @DJC‍ 
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2727 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Just jumped the queue and got my first AstraZeneca jab 😳

... and they didn’t ask about herpes!

👍
I'm still ok, one month on Mon until the 2nd one.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2728 –
I knew a bloke once who suffered shingles, related to herpes, it's not something you'd wish on anybody!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2729 –
Quote from: LP – on
I knew a bloke once who suffered shingles, related to herpes, it's not something you'd wish on anybody!
Painful on the body and dangerous when it affects your eyes....