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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2910 –
Quote from: capcom – on
Purely in isolation, that decision was disgusting regardless of who made it.

Zero humanity.

Shameful. Especially considering we're watching 40+ blokes are tackling each other right now at an exposure site.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2911 –
If Astra was the only jab we had of course I would get it.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2912 –
Exposure sites are listed with times to enable people who were there at those times to test themselves. That’s because the main risk is airborne infection. The period of concern can be as small as a few minutes. Rest assured, Covid won’t be hanging around in the air inside Marvel Stadium after a whole week. And presumably the bays concerned would have been disinfected (although it’s doubtful fomites live that long anyway).

AFL footballers are all tested repeatedly for Covid. That means they really are in a different category. Would all those who might attend a funeral be tested beforehand?

Let’s not compare apples & oranges.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2913 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
All the numerous statistics I have seen have the Pfizer at around 80% effective and the Astra Z at 60% effective. Both work well but one is clearly superior.
No that is not correct at all, when they are assessed together side by side using the same protocols by independent scientific authorities they are virtually identical in efficacy. The initial numbers reported by AstraZeneca and Pfizer used different measures, which made Pfizer sound superior but it isn't, but the numbers have stuck being the first thing most people heard. It was clever marketing.

Further, those false assumptions have biased data from voluntary reporting sources like the UK Yellow Card system, because people think AstraZeneca makes you sick based on social media and media commentary, they report side-effects at a higher rate. When the reporting is completed and filtered by health professionals the differences almost disappear, what remains is so small it is statistically insignificant and no quantity of FB posts can change that hard real world fact.

The problem is a lack of understanding in the reported numbers, and cherry picking of data by unscientific sources like social media and those with political motivations.

We are partially in this lockdown now because of vaccine hesitancy, the authorities have been discarding expired batches because not enough people are going to get vaccinated, not because there aren't enough staff to issue the doses! My associate went to the Sandon Hub on Thursday and told me that hub had dozens of staff ready and not enough patients to vaccinate, they were pleading with the few patients they had to please spread the word among friends and associates to go and get vaccinated.
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2914 –
I use ivermectin to worm my chooks.  It works very well.  It's also useful for treating a couple of parasitological conditions in humans.

Sadly, and not too different from the suggestion that injecting bleach could cure COVID-19, some unscrupulous folk have been advocating the use of ivermectin as a COVID treatment, with unfortunate results.

https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-should-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19

It is possible that ivermectin could prove useful in treating COVID-19 symptoms but, to date, no rigorous trials have shown that to be the case.

https://theconversation.com/ivermectin-why-a-potential-covid-treatment-isnt-recommended-for-use-157904
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2915 –
Quote from: capcom – on
Purely in isolation, that decision was disgusting regardless of who made it.

Zero humanity.
How does one give an exemption to one mother and not another? Just saying.
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2916 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
How does one give an exemption to one mother and not another? Just saying.

OK.  Why not both GTC?  Set up a testing facility for others outside the 10 limit attendance, especially given that clown merlino labelled it a 7 day "circuit breaker" lockdown? 

Effin' cruel.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2917 –
Quote from: Mav – on
Exposure sites are listed with times to enable people who were there at those times to test themselves. That’s because the main risk is airborne infection. The period of concern can be as small as a few minutes. Rest assured, Covid won’t be hanging around in the air inside Marvel Stadium after a whole week. And presumably the bays concerned would have been disinfected (although it’s doubtful fomites live that long anyway).

AFL footballers are all tested repeatedly for Covid. That means they really are in a different category. Would all those who might attend a funeral be tested beforehand?

Let’s not compare apples & oranges.

I'm comparing celebs with ordinary people.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2918 –
Yes, I wonder about that as well.  Us proles have to wait months for medical tests or procedures, a footballer has an incident and the next news cross shows them entering the club after scans.  Amazing how that solidly booked MRI machine was suddenly available.
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2919 –
You’re a footy fan who is outraged that the AFL takes the necessary steps to ensure games can be played. Interesting. Maybe your outrage is as sincere as Captain Renault’s in Casablanca when he closed down Rick’s Café upon being shocked to discover gambling was taking place.

AFL players may be celebs but they’re also workers. The AFL mandates testing and adherence to protocols worked out with the various governments. Remember a few players have been 86’d for breaching them. The players don’t wake up in the morning and decide they’d like their brains massaged through their nostrils just for fun.

Does the AFL have privileged access to testing? I don’t know. I remember seeing film of them attending a drive-through testing station. Maybe that was one open to the public, maybe not. Until this latest outbreak, authorities were begging Victorians to get tested and there really weren’t any queues. But access to tests has hardly been restricted. If the AFL has, like other employers such as hospitals, organised its own testing of its workers, that’s hardly a basis for crying privilege. Are players’ samples processed more quickly? Unknown. But if there are private firms that process tests more quickly at the employers expense and the government requires the AFL to pay for that service, is that celeb-style privilege?

As with the comment about MRIs, I’d be more than happy to kill off the private option in healthcare and education. Get rid of private hospitals and private schools. But until that occurs, it’s a bit rich to slam people who pay privately for those services.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2920 –
Quote from: DJC – on
I use ivermectin to worm my chooks.  It works very well.  It's also useful for treating a couple of parasitological conditions in humans.

Sadly, and not too different from the suggestion that injecting bleach could cure COVID-19, some unscrupulous folk have been advocating the use of ivermectin as a COVID treatment, with unfortunate results.

https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-should-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19

It is possible that ivermectin could prove useful in treating COVID-19 symptoms but, to date, no rigorous trials have shown that to be the case.

https://theconversation.com/ivermectin-why-a-potential-covid-treatment-isnt-recommended-for-use-157904

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU02mdnoNws

You're being lazy David. And ill informed.

https://c19ivermectin.com/
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2922 –
Quote from: Mav – on
You’re a footy fan who is outraged that the AFL takes the necessary steps to ensure games can be played. Interesting. Maybe your outrage is as sincere as Captain Renault’s in Casablanca when he closed down Rick’s Café upon being shocked to discover gambling was taking place.

AFL players may be celebs but they’re also workers. The AFL mandates testing and adherence to protocols worked out with the various governments. Remember a few players have been 86’d for breaching them. The players don’t wake up in the morning and decide they’d like their brains massaged through their nostrils just for fun.

Does the AFL have privileged access to testing? I don’t know. I remember seeing film of them attending a drive-through testing station. Maybe that was one open to the public, maybe not. Until this latest outbreak, authorities were begging Victorians to get tested and there really weren’t any queues. But access to tests has hardly been restricted. If the AFL has, like other employers such as hospitals, organised its own testing of its workers, that’s hardly a basis for crying privilege. Are players’ samples processed more quickly? Unknown. But if there are private firms that process tests more quickly at the employers expense and the government requires the AFL to pay for that service, is that celeb-style privilege?

As with the comment about MRIs, I’d be more than happy to kill off the private option in healthcare and education. Get rid of private hospitals and private schools. But until that occurs, it’s a bit rich to slam people who pay privately for those services.

Professional athletes should be high priority to get the appropriate tests done.  In this case its not just a threat to the player and players.  Its competition threatening as well as them not being able to continue without these tests and procedures.  Imagine lock down with no footy to watch....

Before anyone is outraged, hear me out regarding ordinary testing too.

These tests and procedures are all categorised into priority and they bump people up and down based on threat to life and ability to function as a human being.

The majority of people waiting on lists for procedures and waiting to see specialists have generally been assessed as non life threatening and relative to others on list, non debilitating.   Capacity and luck drives this as much as anything else.

Non debilitating might mean a lot of things but this isn't utopia and they must take a pragmatic and repeatable approach to these matters. 

If you're lucky, and not many are waiting for the same procedure for that clinic, you'll get in fast.  If there's lots waiting and its both non life threatening and non debilitating which usually is interpreted as not requiring constant care giving, or constantly in pain you'll get in.

The more time wasters I.e. people who are impacted but impatient rather than actually requiring hugh categorised reaction, the harder it is for the system to prioritize essential first.

In the case of footballers, physical tests go to professional risk and the majority of their procedures and tests will be acute which brings them to the top of the list just like any emergency emergency patient.

This is where it gets tricky. 

Conditions can become life threatening of not treated timely.  They can become debilitating if not treated quickly.

Capacity is Capacity though and footballers don't get preferential treatment just because they're footballers.  They get that treatment because the system has built in mechanisms for accommodating emergency cases requiring quick transition through the system and that capacity can be stretched when emergencies are required.

This is true for anyone.  Heart attack, diagnosis of cancer, other injuries requiring fast diagnosis of surgery.  This is not third world society or communist nations where you only get in by paying or knowing people.  This is the system.  Its imperfect but it does its best.  The majority of athletes are treated privately and pay to get the quick turnaround that Joe average could too.  Thats the difference here. 

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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2923 –
Quote from: DJC – on
It is possible that ivermectin could prove useful in treating COVID-19 symptoms but, to date, no rigorous trials have shown that to be the case.
https://theconversation.com/ivermectin-why-a-potential-covid-treatment-isnt-recommended-for-use-157904
The general consensus is that Ivermectin is useful as a complimentary medication as part of a suit of compounds that can treat secondary infections caused by a COVID-19 weakened immune system.

It offers almost no detectable prophylactic function against COVID-19.

If it has any effect on COVID-19 infections it is only very mild, barely detectable in most studies that have found any positive effect at all and most have found none at all.

In the USA Ivermectin is being touted by the right wing as the correct COVID-19 solution for Africa, Mexico and India, who'd have thunk it! They think an expensive, highly profitable but barely effective treatment is better than a cheap highly effective vaccine, I wonder why?

btw., On the cost, the PBS subsidised cost of Ivermectin is about $35 a box of four, the base cost of Ivermectin is capsule form is $85 per capsule. Sure India, Africa and Mexico are going to dispense bulk Ivermectin! :o
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2924 –
Anyone else get the suspicion this lockdown is going to last longer than a week?

I guess 2 at least, and in a worst case scenario where cases are still spreading we might even stretch out to 4 weeks.

The high school becoming a hotspot is about as worst case scenario as it gets.  First the kids give it to each other, then they take it home, then they take it out on the weekend to the footy, their local basketball competition, then spread it to the opposition players.

Its a contact tracers nightmare about to unfold.  Before anyone states this is rubbish, we have been living life with relative normality and over the last fortnight, speaking for myself, I saw a very lacsadaisacal approach to QR code checkins, as well as just general public behaviour.

Its like the pandemic ended and people were back to their selfish selves.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson