Carlton Supporters Club

Why are we the covid state?

Then that is the case @Mav refers to, community transmission from a couple of elderly tourists, who eventually presented as unwell. We are perhaps lucky they became unwell enough to present, what if they hadn't?

But I'm not sure they are the root cause, I believe they are a secondary group infected from the returned driver.

Not everybody will become so unwell to require hospitalisation. COVID-19 has a spectrum of illness, perhaps the worse case for transmission would be an initial group of moderately ill individuals who ignored testing and rocked up for work regardless. Like the infamous Portsea set, claiming that it's just a cold while having their own house retrofit with a private ICU!

Quarantine was Dan again doing it his way instead of taking up the offer of military/police help

For every 1 admission, there would be how many people confirmed positive LP?

How far does this spread before it actually shows up, and when you consider that for a moment, ponder a scenario where we are talking about Dissenters, who protest in the city, refuse to wear a mask, dont hand hygiene, to check in with QR codes, and in general, dont get vaccinated.  They spread this virus how far and wide, and dont get tested, which results in further outbreaks and infections that are borderline traceable.

We should see "a lot" of spot fires popping up.  We arent, we just had 73 days without a positive case.

Police help? The police commissioner made it clear the police were only prepared to be the 2nd line of defence, i.e. if someone escaped from quarantine, they’d find them and bring them back. Other than that, they were involved in the “ring of steel” to keep Melburnians from fleeing to regional areas. As for the military, it seemed Scotty from Marketing was quite willing to use them as political pawns, threatening to pull them out if Victoria didn’t toe the Federal government’s line on lockdowns and the like. He refused to honour a request for a nominated number of soldiers at one stage to man the borders.

And yes, there should be more funding for health and in particular pandemic preparedness. That’s what happens when Jeff Kennett’s Razor gangs cut things to the bone in the health system.

Jeff Kennett did a lot wrong but thats a long bow to draw in regard recent events . Cuts that affect the ability of professional contract tracing in Victoria fall squarely on the shoulders of Dan Andrews who as former health minister new exactly what he was doing. Despite warnings from the DHHS in May 2019 that Victoria’s public health team responsible for contact tracing communicable diseases was dangerously understaffed compared to other states, by March in 2020 the division was pared down to only 14 members. Victoria, a state with 6.4 million people, had only six physicians in its health protection branch, compared to 24 in New South Wales and 17 in Queensland.
Andrews was the health minister trying to get rid of nurse-patient ratios and undermine other basic conditions using Howards work choices to do it..
The new Footscray Hospital is another furphy....Its portrayed as the Andrews Govt looking after the struggling west but in fact is a Public-Private partnership which just allows the Privates to rip off the public purse and wont be helping the western suburbs battler. Frankston Hospital has been promised an overhaul given its in such a mess and didnt have enough PPE gear at the height of CoVid. It often has its ER overcrowded and trolleys in the corridors but dont think Dan is looking after those poor sods in Franga...yep another Public-Private partnership which will see more nose jobs and face lifts than dealing with that under-resourced ER dept.

Some great people work in ER at Frankston and despite those shortcomings I would happily go there again.

My daughter has a very good friend who works there...the ERs are all run by good people in the public system but they
dont get the credit or the resources they deserve and the poorer maligned areas are the worst funded.
When they scrapped the bypass code yellow they just heaped more pressure on the ER's, Frankston being one of the worst hit with a pile up of ER patients....hopefully Andrews can at least throw some money at that area and improve things.