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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3660 –
Quote from: Mav – on
I don’t follow any Twitter accounts, Paul. Maybe I should, but life is too short, if not 128 characters short!

I find it quite amusing / useful to check Rudd's tweets every once in a while. I reckon I'd spend about 5 minutes every week.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3661 –
It is interesting to hear the debate around the "shock" ads being used in NSW, with health experts feeling the Ad undermines their professionalism and ethics.

I suppose the problem is that the Ad isn't there to compete with reality, it has to compete with the vaccine far mongering and false remedy dawns offered by Facebook, Youtube, Instagram and Pete Evans.

I appreciate two wrongs do not make a right, I can't see a quick way out of this!

I feel they could just as easily report some of the occasional but real world long COVID-19 effects, droopy dicks, ovarian adhesions, partial blindness, paraplegia, quadriplegia, etc., etc..
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3662 –
Quote from: LP – on
It is interesting to hear the debate around the "shock" ads being used in NSW, with health experts feeling the Ad undermines their professionalism and ethics.

I suppose the problem is that the Ad isn't there to compete with reality, it has to compete with the vaccine far mongering and false remedy dawns offered by Facebook, Youtube, Instagram and Pete Evans.

I appreciate two wrongs do not make a right, I can't see a quick way out of this!

I feel they could just as easily report some of the occasional but real world long COVID-19 effects, droopy dicks, ovarian adhesions, partial blindness, paraplegia, quadriplegia, etc., etc..
Bit hard to sell Astraz when the scoreline is three dead from the vaccine and one death(90 year old) from Delta in Aus.....
I know of one Primary school where the staff want to be vaccinated but have refused the AstraZ on mass and want the Pfizer.
Vaccination levels in Australia will only improve when we have more Pfizer and the Astraz is scrapped.....
They can run all the ads they like but the people have spoken and ScoMo and crew need to listen.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3663 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Bit hard to sell Astraz when the scoreline is three dead from the vaccine and one death(90 year old) from Delta in Aus.....
I know of one Primary school where the staff want to be vaccinated but have refused the AstraZ on mass and want the Pfizer.
Vaccination levels in Australia will only improve when we have more Pfizer and the Astraz is scrapped.....
They can run all the ads they like but the people have spoken and ScoMo and crew need to listen.
The number of people in ICU from AZ and Pfizer apparently remains roughly the same, not sure what the long term outcome is going to be for people with severe myocarditis.

The public pick up on AZ, because that is what gets reported, and because there is a way to test for a potential link. The problem with myocarditis is that there is no trace showing up in the tests that links it to mRNA vaccine, so people could well be dying from Pfizer related myocarditis but it won't be reported as either possible or confirmed.

But the truth of all vaccines isn't the number of vaccine side-effect deaths, it's the number of lives saved by vaccines.

If you give the same number of people a pot of beer that you give a vaccination, in this case nearly 6M now, apparently there will be roughly 100x more deaths from the beers than there would be from vaccine side-effects. That's 300 alcohol deaths versus 3 vaccine deaths that we know of.

In NSW a leading ICU Dept head was queried last night on the ABC about how many of the people in NSW ICU had been vaccinated or double vaccinated, the reporter was trying to paint a picture that vaccination wasn't safe or was somehow questionable or ineffective, I presume to play up on fears of people.

The answer of how many of those in NSW ICU were COVID-19 patients with single or double vaccination, .................. zero!

There is no need for big men to be scared of a little needle, and the bad outcomes are really just very unfortunate.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3664 –
Most people would rather take their chances with Imflamation of the heart than Blood Clots. Scomo telling folk to get the 2nd jab at the 6-8 week is another debacle.. Less Protection and now news it might require a booster 3rd jab.
The term "unfortunate" is an easy way of saying as long as its not my family its OK to
lose a few people to friendly fire.. The short term affect from serious blood clots is usually death.
 

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3665 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Most people would rather take their chances with Imflamation of the heart than Blood Clots. Scomo telling folk to get the 2nd jab at the 6-8 week is another debacle.. Less Protection and now news it might require a booster 3rd jab.
The term "unfortunate" is an easy way of saying as long as its not my family its OK to
lose a few people to friendly fire.. The short term affect from serious blood clots is usually death.
A teenage mother in my family died from heart inflammation, the idea myocarditis it somehow worth a chance is ridiculous, it's equally deadly to all age groups.

The assertion in the last sentence above is pretty offensive, you should remove it from your post, it's beneath your usual standards.

If a female in your family gets COVID-19, they have a 30% chance they get long COVID-19, myocarditis and thrombosis are known common symptoms of COVID-19 infections for both severe COVID cases and as a long symptom in mild COVID cases. That's 30% of total infections not just 30% of severe cases.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3666 –
Quote from: LP – on
A teenage mother in my family died from heart inflammation, the idea myocarditis it somehow worth a chance is ridiculous, it's equally deadly to all age groups.

The assertion in the last sentence above is pretty offensive, you should remove it from your post, it's beneath your usual standards.

If a female in your family gets COVID-19, they have a 30% chance they get long COVID-19, myocarditis and thrombosis are known common symptoms of COVID-19 infections for both severe COVID cases and as a long symptom in mild COVID cases. That's 30% of total infections not just 30% of severe cases.
Its not offensive and flippant you term folk who have passed way through AstraZ unfortunate?
If the 70 year old in SA who had just died had been given the PFizer she would still be alive...
If the Mods have an issue with my post they can remove it ...you are welcome to ask them to do so if you remain offended.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3667 –
Nobody diminishes the seriousness of the situation.

As I have explained here more than once before before I avoid the term luck because people read bad or good luck as being the natural alternative of each case, that's dumb punter think.

The truth is there is no "good luck" in this pandemic situation, there is only varying degrees of bad luck, the vaccine greatly(massively beyond any possible question) diminish your chance of misfortune.

Get Sars-CoV- 2 as a bit of "bad luck" and your luck isn't going to turn, there will only be varying degrees of how bad it gets!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3668 –
So. it looks like EB believes we should maintain the elimination strategy forever with periodic lockdowns, masks, density limits and the like. Otherwise he wouldn't be citing death statistics that pertain to that strategy. If we decided to release the Kraken and decided to live with Covid in the community, we wouldn't be talking about a handful of deaths: we'd be talking about hundreds or thousands.

I want to see the end of the elimination strategy but we can only do that ethically when we have 60% or more vaccinated. The botched vaccination rollout is holding us all hostage. 

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3669 –
Quote from: Mav – on
I want to see the end of the elimination strategy but we can only do that ethically when we have 60% or more vaccinated. The botched vaccination rollout is holding us all hostage.
This is so true, it's self-evident in the numbers appearing globally.

But I'd assert based on the latest figures, it now looks like the immunity levels will need to be in the 80% plus range, this is partly due to the apparent reduced efficacy against Delta strain, and partly due to the failing community tolerance for compliance.

Let's hope the updated vaccines being tested now improve the efficacy against both Alpha and Delta.

I heard an epidemiologist on a podcast last night make a very valid point last night regarding letting COVID run free, this will greatly accelerate the production of variants and that could well create a variant that our vaccines have zero efficacy against. He stated it's not a case of trying one direction then if it doesn't work going back to the old way, when you make one choice you might remove the other.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3670 –
I'm yet to hear about a 2nd jab being a different vacc from the first.  Wonder what the implications of that might be. Some suggest it's quite effective.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3671 –
Quote from: Mav – on
So. it looks like EB believes we should maintain the elimination strategy forever with periodic lockdowns, masks, density limits and the like. Otherwise he wouldn't be citing death statistics that pertain to that strategy. If we decided to release the Kraken and decided to live with Covid in the community, we wouldn't be talking about a handful of deaths: we'd be talking about hundreds or thousands.

I want to see the end of the elimination strategy but we can only do that ethically when we have 60% or more vaccinated. The botched vaccination rollout is holding us all hostage. 
My preference is no elimination strategy either with safe vaccines on the proviso we are not needlessly eliminating the public in the process.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3672 –
This is an argument that is muddled and not really conducted on meaningful grounds. You can be quite certain that there will be deaths associated with Pfizer (there probably already are) and with any future vaccines. This is beyond doubt. So do we ban all vaccines which cause a death ? If not, what is the tipping point between acceptable and unacceptable death rates ? 1 dead, 20 dead, 100 ? Is 1 life worth less than 100 ? Is that a fair or sensible way of looking at it ?

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3673 –
Maybe we should ban elective surgery - no surgery is completely safe. It’d knock heaps off the budget bottom line.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3674 –
Covid killed a man in his 70s in NSW today. Deaths are a lagging indicator, occurring a couple of weeks after infection. As yesterday had 112 new cases, the chances are there will be more deaths in the next few weeks. Fingers crossed we beat the odds.