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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4020 –
ITAGI now recommending people esp in SW Sydney to consider AZ. Risk profile apparently changing esp in light of the new strain.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4021 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Lp.  You missed the part where we continue eliminating covid which means no further deaths vs the adverse reactions still to come in the remaining 70% of the population.
Except that is the second equation, based on the current rate of adverse effects it's 72 deaths for about 24,000,000 1st vaccinations if we assume the worst case that everyone is ICU perishes as grim as that may be.

If we use the current real world adverse reaction numbers, it's a lower total of 18 deaths for 24,000,000 vaccinations, or 1/50 the number of COVID-19 deaths already accumulated, ignoring future COVID-19 deaths which will increase but hopefully not too much. However, there is no chance of constraining COVID-19 deaths to a number lower than adverse vaccine reaction deaths.

Of course, even a fully vaccinated 90% population, you can't eliminate COVID-19 which leaves 10% of the population vulnerable.
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Oh forget it, this is way over your head
IC you've become offended, that was a tad predictable.

I thought you would support Flyboy in avoiding ad hominem attacks, yet I'm not surprised.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4022 –
Quote from: cookie2 – on
ITAGI now recommending people esp in SW Sydney to consider AZ. Risk profile apparently changing esp in light of the new strain.
It takes weeks and weeks to get the efficacy benefit of vaccination, Gladys has left it too late, the only solution left open to NSW now is a crazy hard lockdown to massively slow the rate of spread, she needs to put a curfew in place and create a temporary police state.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4023 –
Quote from: Mav – on
Vaccinations may reduce the transmission of the Delta Variant in 2 ways: vaccinated people:
  • may be less likely to become infected, and if you’re not infected you won’t give it to anyone else.
  • may be less infectious if they do become infected and may therefore be less likely to infect others than unvaccinated people.

I think there’s some evidence to support both propositions, but I’m not informed enough to go further than that.

If either or both of the above propositions are correct, then the more people vaccinate, the less transmission there will be in the community. The odds of vaccinated and unvaccinated people being infected will then be reduced.

Any reduction in transmission rates will help to prevent Covid mutating into more dangerous variants, or at least will help to delay those mutations. More dangerous variants will be a threat to both vaccinated and unvaccinated people.

For those who have listened to Stuff You Should Know podcast, one of the 2 blokes there has got covid recently and talked about it.
He said him and about 14 other people all went out to dinner together at some resteraunt. All of them were completely vaccinated.
40% of them have since come down with COVID despite this.
Where he is they won't don't test to tell him which strain it is, but he's pretty confident it is the delta strain. His Doc is saying it appears to be only 60% effective against the delta strain.
He said he felt crap for a couple of days, and its pretty much just like the common cold. He is able to continue the podcast and he just sounds a little bit congested, but otherwise fine.


Going back to the Vikings coach refusal to get vaccinated,  i hadn't heard that yet. Do you know his name?

I'm not sure if the NFL is within their right to kick him out. But i understand why they would want too.
But riddle me this....if he has a condition where its not recommended for him to get vaccinated....is he not within his rights to take legal action? Or if he is forced to, and does, and gets a side effect from it, could he not do the same?

Dangerous ground being entered into.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4024 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
For those who have listened to Stuff You Should Know podcast, one of the 2 blokes there has got covid recently and talked about it.
He said him and about 14 other people all went out to dinner together at some resteraunt. All of them were completely vaccinated.
40% of them have since come down with COVID despite this.
Where he is they won't don't test to tell him which strain it is, but he's pretty confident it is the delta strain. His Doc is saying it appears to be only 60% effective against the delta strain.
He said he felt crap for a couple of days, and its pretty much just like the common cold. He is able to continue the podcast and he just sounds a little bit congested, but otherwise fine.
At the Sydney family gathering where none were vaccinated, 24 out of 24 attendees were infected with Delta, apparently some are now in hospital which is a bit concerning because it suggests the hospitalisation rate is higher than expected for Delta. For the earlier strains you would expect just 1 out of 24 being hospitalised regardless of the age spread. We don't get to find out the real figures due to privacy laws.

btw., I think it's a tell about the spread of misinformation to assert 60% efficacy isn't a good result, historically this is about as good as vaccines get, the 78% and 97% efficacies reported earlier were questionable.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"
 

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4026 –
If a pilot develops epilepsy or diabetes, he’s out of a job. If a coach can’t or won’t comply with a measure intended to protect his team and the NFL, isn’t he out of a job?

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4027 –
Quote from: Mav – on
If a pilot develops epilepsy or diabetes, he’s out of a job. If a coach can’t or won’t comply with a measure intended to protect his team and the NFL, isn’t he out of a job?

Not entirely true ... I know some diabetic pilots

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4028 –
Quote from: capcom – on
Not entirely true ... I know some diabetic pilots
True. There was a ban but now if a diabetic jumps a number of hurdles s/he can fly commercially. Still, it wasn’t until 2020 that a pilot with type 1 diabetes was certified to fly commercially in Australia.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4029 –
Quote from: LP – on
Except that is the second equation, based on the current rate of adverse effects it's 72 deaths for about 24,000,000 1st vaccinations if we assume the worst case that everyone is ICU perishes as grim as that may be.

If we use the current real world adverse reaction numbers, it's a lower total of 18 deaths for 24,000,000 vaccinations, or 1/50 the number of COVID-19 deaths already accumulated, ignoring future COVID-19 deaths which will increase but hopefully not too much. However, there is no chance of constraining COVID-19 deaths to a number lower than adverse vaccine reaction deaths.

Of course, even a fully vaccinated 90% population, you can't eliminate COVID-19 which leaves 10% of the population vulnerable.IC you've become offended, that was a tad predictable.

I thought you would support Flyboy in avoiding ad hominem attacks, yet I'm not surprised.

Nah you're arguing for the sake of arguing a hypothetical that is at worst an observation and plausible and frankly quite meaningless.

It was one observation in a post that you have fixated upon, twisted and have decided to try and assert dominance about because you ignored the qualifying statements thinking you know better than everyone you know it all a d have decided to assert a position against a point rather than just accepting its a plausible outcome.  This forum isn't about you.  Im not flyboy and I couldn't care less what you have to say.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4030 –
Quote from: Mav – on
If a pilot develops epilepsy or diabetes, he’s out of a job. If a coach can’t or won’t comply with a measure intended to protect his team and the NFL, isn’t he out of a job?
If he is potentially physically unable to comply....should he be out of the job? Its not as if it was in their job description when they took the job.
If it is against someones religion to do something, are they sacked too?


Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4031 –
I worry more about the shocking precedent this sets.

Forcing a vaccine will result in a greater number of anti vaxxers as people already disbelieve.

Give them time, let them come to terms that covid is here to stay and let natural selection take its course.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4032 –
Quote from: Mav – on
Rick Dennison: https://www.espn.com.au/nfl/story/_/id/31869652/rick-dennison-minnesota-vikings-assistant-refusing-covid-19-vaccine-sources-say

But the story doesn’t appear on HuffPost any more. Maybe debunked?


I didn't see this post when i replied before, but it confirms what i suggested.
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In a memo released by the league this summer, the NFL said any unvaccinated Tier 1 staff member must provide a valid religious or medical reason for not receiving the vaccine. Losing Tier 1 status prohibits coaches from being on the field and in meeting rooms and having direct interactions with players.

Interesting side note that this does not apply to players though.

I guess money talks.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4033 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
I worry more about the shocking precedent this sets.

Forcing a vaccine will result in a greater number of anti vaxxers as people already disbelieve.

Give them time, let them come to terms that covid is here to stay and let natural selection take its course.
Agree, More people will embrace the vaccines when there is more choice for all age groups, if you have 3-4 to choose from instead of being railroaded into one because of your age then citizens will feel in control of their own destiny.
Having a medically unqualified PM going against his vaccine advisory groups medical advice and pushing one vaccine to suit his political and economic agenda isnt going to fly in a country with low infection levels. Either is telling a citizen who is 60 and one day old you cant have the same vaccine as a citizen who is 59 and 364 days old...

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4034 –
We don't have to worry about antivaxers, would only be about 5 percent of the population. I only know of one couple who wouldn't vaccinate their kids because they believe it causes autism. The irony is their youngest's school was pressuring them to see a pediatrician as they believed he was on the spectrum.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!