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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

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Wonder how Richmond are going to wriggle out of this one Caro.   Prestia out on the piss during lock down... Not a good look.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

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Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Biden screwed up Afghanistan by pulling all the troops out knowing the Afghan Army were hopeless and the Taliban would just walk in without firing a shot and take over.
5 weeks ago he said it was unlikely the Taliban would make any attempt to sieze control.
The Chinese must be thinking it could be time to make a move too..
Didn't Obama start the withdrawal of troups, I thought the deal struck by Trump was that the withdrawal of troups would be completed this year provided the Taliban honours it's commitment to prevent the operation of Al-Qaeda with Taliban controlled regions.

What is happening now might change massively in coming years.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Quote from: Professer E – on
Wonder how Richmond are going to wriggle out of this one Caro.   Prestia out on the piss during lock down... Not a good look.
Professer E, this isn't a footy site. Oh, wait a minute ...  :-[  :D

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Quote from: LP – on
Didn't Obama start the withdrawal of troups, I thought the deal struck by Trump was that the withdrawal of troups would be completed this year provided the Taliban honours it's commitment to prevent the operation of Al-Qaeda with Taliban controlled regions.

What is happening now might change massively in coming years.
I wouldnt be doing any deals with the Taliban ever....they have just released all the ISIS prisoners that were being held in Afghanistan and it will be another war in the making. CoVid is a nice cover for these militants to operate in with the world having its hands full with a pandemic  and the USA pre-occupied with China.
https://theconversation.com/how-joe-biden-failed-the-people-of-afghanistan-and-tarnished-us-credibility-around-the-world-166160

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Reply #4459 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
I wouldnt be doing any deals with the Taliban ever....they have just released all the ISIS prisoners that were being held in Afghanistan and it will be another war in the making. CoVid is a nice cover for these militants to operate in with the world having its hands full with a pandemic  and the USA pre-occupied with China.
But the Taliban deal was done wasn't it?

I feel sections of the current media are trying to repaint history, Obama and Biden did not do that deal.

I agree it was stupid, Al-Qaeda is just a label, like referring to a mass murderer as a crusader!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Quote from: Mav – on
Cookie, the US almost had a successful coup by the far right. Yes, the US is more right-wing than Australia, but we tend to follow in their footsteps.

Mav I think the progressive left is also very strong in the US which could well lead to an ugly clash with the right.
Reality always wins in the end.

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Quote from: cookie2 – on
Mav I think the progressive left is also very strong in the US which could well lead to an ugly clash with the right.

Better believe it @cookie2 .... trouble is many of them can't even see it. 

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Quote from: capcom – on
Better believe it @cookie2 .... trouble is many of them can't even see it.
Personally, I think the problems are again the labels, they are used like a shield to hide behind as well as a catch-all category.

I think when you look at the very extreme edges of either the left or the right you'll find very little difference, both elicit extremes of discrimination, the only difference is the features that they target in those discriminations.

I note here in Australia, the extremists of the left or right complain loudly that there is too little difference between the moderates on either side of the fence, the extremists complain that the moderates are all the same!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Quote from: cookie2 – on
Mav I think the progressive left is also very strong in the US which could well lead to an ugly clash with the right.
The problem is that "the progressive left" in the US is basically the centre in Australia. When medicare for all is seen as an extremist view, that tells you a lot.

My perception is that trying to organise left wingers is like wrangling cats. They're pretty much going off in different directions. You have the hippies, the greenies, the socialist left, the pro-Union left, the NSW left. It's a miracle that they've split into only 2 parties in Australia. The right-wing, on the other hand, has increasingly tended towards authoritarianism and coalesces around Trump-like figures.

When someone as right-wing as Liz Cheney is considered too left-wing for the Republican Party, there's trouble ahead. She'd regard Peter Dutton and Matt Canavan as communists. As for Antifa, that isn't even a group. The sole role for those who are tagged with that name seems to be counter-protesting against the Nazis. That's a commendable activity in my book. It's not as though you hear about them kidnapping people a la the Red Brigade or robbing banks.   
https://youtu.be/ZTT1qUswYL0

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Reply #4464 –
@ Mav

Both "sides" look pretty well organised and funded to me. 
Reality always wins in the end.

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Right-wing extremists are considered by the FBI as the major terrorist threat inside the US. More so than Islamic extremists. Left-wing extremists hardly rate. The insurrection on 5 Jan was just one example of it. Sometimes, both-side-ism isn't balanced, it's just wrong.
 

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Reply #4466 –
Quote from: LP – on
But the Taliban deal was done wasn't it?

I feel sections of the current media are trying to repaint history, Obama and Biden did not do that deal.

I agree it was stupid, Al-Qaeda is just a label, like referring to a mass murderer as a crusader!
Biden and Trump both stuffed it up but Biden kept the intitial agreement and even used Trumps envoy didnt he?
The Pentagon warned Biden what was happening but he dithered around like he usually does and now is blaming the Afghan army. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9898177/How-Joe-botched-Afghanistan-Biden-ignored-Pentagon-warnings-Taliban-over.html

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4467 –
Quote from: Mav – on
Right-wing extremists are considered by the FBI as the major terrorist threat inside the US. More so than Islamic extremists. Left-wing extremists hardly rate. The insurrection on 5 Jan was just one example of it. Sometimes, both-side-ism isn't balanced, it's just wrong.

Extremists are extremists in my book, both equally dangerous to democratic society.
Reality always wins in the end.

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Reply #4468 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Biden and Trump both stuffed it up but Biden kept the intitial agreement and even used Trumps envoy didnt he?
The Pentagon warned Biden what was happening but he dithered around like he usually does and now is blaming the Afghan army. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9898177/How-Joe-botched-Afghanistan-Biden-ignored-Pentagon-warnings-Taliban-over.html
I suspect he knew what was going to happen and, like Trump, he waved the agreement around like Neville Chamberlain's piece of paper that guaranteed peace in our time. My guess is that Biden has just stolen the Captain Renault "I'm shocked, shocked to find gambling going on in this place" reaction from Casablanca. The mistake the US made was to occupy Afghanistan in the first place. When and how was the US ever going to leave without the Taliban taking over? There's been talk about withdrawal for the last decade: plenty of time for the Afghan Govt to prepare for that eventuality. The truth is they would never have been able to stand on their own 2 feet even if the withdrawal took 100 years to complete.

I feel sorry for the Afghanis who bought into a future without the Taliban. Not only is their future far different than what they'd been led to believe but many will have no future at all.

By the way, the Republican Party boasted on its website about the historic treaty Trump reached with the Taliban. That's now been deleted and no doubt it's being shoved down the memory hole as we speak. No doubt Trump will deny he ever made any such agreement as soon as next week. Anything to the contrary will just be fake news. 

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

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Another article about Ivermectin, this time from The Age’s science reporter Daniel Mannix (whose previous work has impressed me):
Ivermectin, COVID-19, and making sense of scientific evidence, The Age.

It contains a lot of stuff about where to find credible information and how to sort the good from the bad. In particular, he recommends reviews by Cochrane, “an international non-profit bringing together top scientists to review evidence and produce easy-to-understand reports, using a special Cochrane method that eliminates sources of bias, like the insidious role of drug company funding.”

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Australia’s federal government wisely funded Cochrane to set up a COVID-19 taskforce here, made up of representatives from across Australia’s medical societies. They are independent and unafraid; willing to point out a drug the government has purchased to treat COVID-19 might not work.

For these three reasons - independence, Cochrane methodology, representation across the medical spectrum - we can have a very high degree of confidence in their findings.

Compare that to c19early.com, one of the leading ivermectin websites. Put on your critical thinking hat, and ask: is an independent, government-funded, Cochrane-using panel made up of scientists drawn from across Australia’s leading institutions, or… a website put up anonymously... best placed to scrutinise the evidence?

Every week - seriously, every week - the Cochrane taskforce reviews all the new evidence generated on how to prevent and treat COVID-19. All this goes online. You can look up any treatment you want here. Just hit Ctrl-F on your keyboard.

Here’s its recommendation on ivermectin: Do not use ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19 outside of randomised trials with appropriate ethical approval.

Click on ‘research evidence’ and you can see a collection of all the published ivermectin data, sorted by outcome. But the more important thing to look at is the columns on the right.

Certainty of evidence takes into account the quality of the study. A study might claim to find ivermectin works, but if the quality is low, we cannot have faith in that finding. The evidence for every single clinical outcome for ivermectin is either low or very low quality.

There is simply not enough evidence to show whether ivermectin is helpful or harmful for patients with COVID-19.

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Let’s turn, now, to a study that is actually quite good.

It’s called the TOGETHER trial. It’s a randomised controlled trial, and it’s very large. It publishes all its trial methodology online for everyone to read. Mr Meyerowitz-Katz describes it as a “masterpiece of science”.

The full findings haven’t been published yet, so we should treat them with a grain of salt. But the conclusions are available via a PowerPoint slide. They found essentially no benefit to ivermectin.