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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4785 –
Quote from: flyboy77 – on
And to round the story out, here's the UK death numbers....

Loose numbers 175 death a day in UK from people 'with' CV19.
"Loose numbers" is I gather your term for .................... not quite true in this context?

175 deaths in a day is the global average for the whole UK pandemic, 87 UK deaths yesterday from COVID, how many were vaccinated? ;)

Since Freedom Day the UK is average 104 deaths a day, early reports are that 98% of them are unvaccinated, but it will take several more weeks before the numbers are finalised as they use 28 days as the critical cut-off.

Up massively since the lockdown ended, but I thought you stated lockdowns do not work?


"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4786 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
An extremely irresponsible assertion on your part. You should delete this post. Did you even consider who might be reading this comment? Whoever told you this is totally wrong. Self-harm does NOT automatically assume suicide. Terrible post. I'd be happy to illuminate you on the facts, re self-harm by PM.

Anyone who has a relative/loved one/friend who self-harms, please DON'T be alarmed by 77s assertion. Treatment and care for these folks is often very successful.

But you're back slapping people here saying suicide is not up based on numbers from before our current lockdown? Are you that politically bias or that stupid?
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4787 –
Quote from: LP – on
"Loose numbers" is I gather your term for .................... not quite true in this context?

175 deaths in a day is the global average for the whole UK pandemic, 87 UK deaths yesterday from COVID, how many were vaccinated? ;)

Since Freedom Day the UK is average 104 deaths a day, early reports are that 98% of them are unvaccinated, but it will take several more weeks before the numbers are finalised as they use 28 days as the critical cut-off.

Up massively since the lockdown ended, but I thought you stated lockdowns do not work?




I've seen you trying to be 'cute' before. You're a fail. Not up for debate. Sorry.

I put the chart up - and here it is again.....feel free to run an average....i didn't feel a need to be accurate to 4 dp. Feel free.

If that's your best shot, you're conceding the argument.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths

Now, and expecting a few ranters on the source, here's Robert Malone, talking some sense.

Even LP will learn something, but he would never admit it.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/dr-robert-malone-mrna-vaccine-inventor-on-latest-covid-19-data-booster-shots-and-the-shattered-scientific-consensus_3979206.html?utm_source=Morningbrief&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=mb-2021-09-03&est=NhIwyl3%2F23HMGNDgSzAT9UGpgE%2B2W6C9VAH%2Fbh4zanea2KVnkLwwXhwudgsVzPDMwFGicLj8HuTR






Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4788 –
https://www.news.com.au/world/uk-cases-have-flatlined-since-freedom-day/video/87ca2f2b0bd07b85888ecc38bb1922bd

Sorry to ruin your spin...LP?

Quote from: LP – on
"Loose numbers" is I gather your term for .................... not quite true in this context?

175 deaths in a day is the global average for the whole UK pandemic, 87 UK deaths yesterday from COVID, how many were vaccinated? ;)

Since Freedom Day the UK is average 104 deaths a day, early reports are that 98% of them are unvaccinated, but it will take several more weeks before the numbers are finalised as they use 28 days as the critical cut-off.

Up massively since the lockdown ended, but I thought you stated lockdowns do not work?




LP says

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Up massively since the lockdown ended,

Feel free to help him see the explosion....in the attached picture...clearly needs help.

You left yourself exposed there LP. You're better than that right?


Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4789 –
Quote from: Mav – on
Can you remind of us of any occasion where Dan Andrews has said there will be just 1 fixed response to Covid? If you can, then we'll happily concede he lied. But I think you'll find that he has made the obvious point repeatedly that the response will change as the circumstances change. When there was 0 Covid restrictions were relaxed and when outbreaks occurred lockdowns were imposed. By the way, you might have missed it but he has recently accepted that there'll be no return to Covid-0, so he has flagged that the response now will change to ensure the numbers stay manageable. Moving the goalposts? I'd say Gladys and the Delta variant have moved us to a wholly new stadium. 
Are we talking about the same man here.

Can’t be.

The one I was referring to lied under oath with the old  ‘i can’t recall’ to several questions? 

I guess you believed him with that? Yeah of course you did.

That’s it for me on this.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4790 –
Quote from: flyboy77 – on
By the by, for the bed wetting society who says we can't open up because Armageddon..ala Dan's dopey Burnet modelling.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/uk-daily-covid-admissions

And the UK has had well over 30k cases a day for weeks now.

Let's say an average of 35000 cases....

Or here:

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare



What are you actually trying to say?

UK has heaps of cases.....because they have a higher vaccination rate compared to us....and they've opened up.

Isn't that common sense?

Isn't the whole reason we are in lockdown because our vaccination rate is not comparable to the rest of the world......we've been too slow to vaccinate because we did so well with cases early. Now its come back to bite us.

So i ask again, what is your point?

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4791 –
Kruddler, you have to understand that Flyboy doesn't believe the vaccines have any effect or should I say any positive effect. It seems he believes that vaccinations actually cause Covid infections. So, as the Clint Eastwood quote goes, "What we have here is a failure to communicate".

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4792 –
Quote from: Mav – on
Kruddler, you have to understand that Flyboy doesn't believe the vaccines have any effect or should I say any positive effect. It seems he believes that vaccinations actually cause Covid infections. So, as the Clint Eastwood quote goes, "What we have here is a failure to communicate".

I usually understand what he is at least trying to say, even if it flawed logic. I can't really find any logic in that at all, flawed or otherwise.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4793 –
It's important for those interested to understand what they might be looking at and how it is represented.

Over what period the data is collected, how it is represented and how it is charted and what is it discussed against.

For example, if you are looking for a short term trend over the last month or so, then reporting the data as an average of the whole of last year or even from the start of the epidemic will misrepresent what is being discussed, the context of the discussion is important.

If a entity links to a logarithmic chart and makes a statement in relation to some earlier linear change, the graph can easily be misrepresented. Fortunately the links provided in some of the reports above allow the viewer to choose the data period, as well as the linear or logarithmic representation.

For example UK Freedom Day is a bit over a month ago, so offering a chart that averages the data from the last month data with all the data of the last year and claiming things haven't changed much is quite deceptive. Of course in recent days the average won't change much, it can't because the recent data is so small relative to the amount of historical data.

Of course if you are anti-lockdown it paints a good picture for opening up if you report that total pandemic averages have changed little in the last month or so since Freedom Day.

Sometimes when critics respond it can be the parts of the response that are absent from a reply that can be the real tell. For example, the current issue that the a massive percentage of recent UK deaths come from unvaccinated.

And also, if you were anti-vaccine it is not convenient to respond to the point that a large percentage of people currently perishing since Freedom Day are unvaccinated, regardless of however many deaths are occurring.

It's an obvious effect of opening up with a large percentage of the population already vaccinated, that you'll have an explosion of cases in unvaccinated. But the unvaccinated sacrificial lamb part of these events seem to be conveniently ignored by some!

In any case, we know that the high vaccine efficacy prevents severe disease, the vaccine stop people dying but they do not stop people being infected.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4794 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
I usually understand what he is at least trying to say, even if it flawed logic. I can't really find any logic in that at all, flawed or otherwise.
I don't think you'll find any logic at all, that may be your problem! ;D

I've never seen a COVID critic so eager to publish some data that shows them to be wrong!

Personally, I mentioned this before, it's awkwardly cherry-picking the odd chart and trying to spin it as some form of anti-COVID / anti-vax support, either in the hope nobody actually looks deeply at the data, or perhaps lazily not having looked deeper at the data before listing it. Because so often the links actually assert the exact opposite of what Flyboy spins!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4795 –
Quote from: LP – on
I don't think you'll find any logic at all, that may be your problem! ;D

I've never seen a COVID critic so eager to publish some data that shows them to be wrong!

Thats ok.

I've had a few tonight, but i didn't think i'd had that many!  :o

It makes sense that it doesn't make sense.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4797 –
Notice how our government have softened their stance in the last week despite numbers skyrocketing?
I'm sure it has nothing to do with the big union rally planned for the 18th September.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4798 –
Are they holding the rally in a playground?
 

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4799 –
Quote from: Mav – on
Are they holding the rally in a playground?

Why not. Dan said they are now very safe so would be a good place for a protest.

I’m sure you remember the playgrounds - that was where (based on medical advice of course) ‘I can’t remember’ Dan had no option but to close them rope them off and deem them unsafe. This all happened when we had just 20 cases a day (6 million population).

But then typically he flips and re opens them when we are averaging 200 cases a day! but is all good as thankfully again it’s based on the sound medical advise he is receiving.

Makes perfect sense ‘ I can’t recall’ Dan.