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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6165 –
The service nsw app is way more difficult to use than the service Victoria app.

For starters, battery drain is an issue.

Checking out whilst is a massive pain in the backside is a useful feature, and service vic might want to think about this.

Beyond that registration was more difficult and linking to mygov even worse.  Particularly for my wife whos maiden name is on her Medicare card still.  She needed her marriage certificate.

We should have a national app really.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6166 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
The service nsw app is way more difficult to use than the service Victoria app.

For starters, battery drain is an issue.

Checking out whilst is a massive pain in the backside is a useful feature, and service vic might want to think about this.

Beyond that registration was more difficult and linking to mygov even worse.  Particularly for my wife whos maiden name is on her Medicare card still.  She needed her marriage certificate.

We should have a national app really.

Certainly should be a National approach, but that would require national leadership instead of someone looking to be able to point at scapegoats when it will suit him.
I jumped into the SA, Vic, NSW and Qld apps last night, it wasn’t too bad, I’ve got my pass to enter SA next week sorted, tomorrow I need to do the same for my techno challenged wife… that will be challenging.
Let’s go BIG !

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6167 –
My advice is do it early.  It was pure luck my wife has recently got a new job and had a photo of her marriage certificate on her phone.  If not she wouldn't be able to use it.

"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6168 –
Great to read The Rage exposing the bogus antivax and antimask altruism is really motivated by profit, the protest organizers rip in the cash selling protest accessories and snake oil that are leveraged with group think inclusivity, ironic given they accuse big pharmaceutical and politicians of the same to isolate / exclude them.
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You can buy caps and t-shirts, pseudo-medical COVID treatments, even social media sites and legal advice - it’s all part of the deal when you are marching for freedom.
I suppose the cries of the protest organisers is a takes one to know one scenario, who do you trust now?
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6170 –
Quote from: Mav – on
The Perils of Flawed Research and the Ivermectin Debacle, Medical News Today.
I like the below excerpt the best.
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The clinical study was entirely fabricated and later withdrawn from the preprint server, subsequent to great scandal.

The ivermectin story somehow got even worse from there. In late 2020, studies started popping up showing what can only be described as simply incredible results for the medication — a 90% mortality benefit or a 100% reduction in cases when used as a prophylactic.

After nearly a year, myself and other data sleuths demonstrated that many of these studies probably never happened, but the damage was well and truly done long before the first fake paper was retracted.
Pro-Ivermectin papers and studies that are nothing more than marketing claims for snake-oil profiteering. Raking in sales and investors, and worse in the 3rd world were there is very little official oversight the marketing drives the distribution of counterfeits that are often laced with addictive compounds or even poisons. People in low income countries desperate to secure a safe future for their children buys these fakes to give to their kids! :o
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6171 –
Uncle Max Dulumunmun Harrison, an 85 year old Yuin man, dies of COVID related complications in a COVID ward in NSW. Just a couple of weeks after he spoke out at an anti-vax mandate rally and contracted Sars-CoV-2.

His protest associates and family try to spin it as death from asthma related complications and "other" underlying conditions!

Yet apparently it's the health officials and pharmaceutical executives that protestors accuse of spin! :o

Sure he was 85, might have lived to 100 if he and his surrounding associates were vaccinated!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6172 –
I love the Illinois protestors.

Illinois was trying to put through a bill forcing anti-vaxers to pay their own way through hospital.

These are the same protestors that tell you COVID is a cold, vaccines kill and masks do not work.

Yet when the government tried to process the bill those same protestors rained death threats upon officials, they'll cut your head off and kill your family if they can't be treated in hospital at the tax payers expense!

God bless America!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6173 –
Bob Carr has the same idea. This is from an interview with Peter FitzSimons, ‘You ignored warnings’: Bob Carr on why the unvaccinated should pay for their COVID healthcare, SMH:
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Fitz: I was fascinated by a tweet you did in November. You said “We must follow Singapore and legislate no medical or hospital expenses to be reimbursed to people who are not vaccinated without medical justification and then contract COVID. You ignored warnings and got the disease. You pay for your wilful stupidity, not us.” Do you stand behind that?

BC: Yes. And I speak for two categories. The overstressed frontline workers in our health system. They shouldn’t have to look after simpletons who believe rubbish on the web, and ignore medical advice. Second, Australians with manageable conditions like diabetes or asthma who may face a life-or-death crisis from contracting COVID. They have rights too.

PF: You will be accused by the nutters of being “a fascist” pushing “medical apartheid”, and threatened with facing a modern version of the Nuremberg trials. This is consistent with something that seems to be seeping into Australia from American: extreme-right nuttery. How dangerous is it and what can be done about it?

BC: Very dangerous. America started climate change denialism. It was picked up from American think tanks funded by the carbon lobby and let loose here by right-wing Coalition politicians. We’ve seen extremists adopting postures devised by gun-toting QAnon warriors with their animal head-dress, threatening the breezy freedoms of Aussie life.

PF: What can be done about it, Bob?

BC: It needs principled people on the conservative side of Australian politics to speak out, to stand up against it, as Malcolm Fraser did on racism, or as John Howard did on guns and say we want nothing to do with your noxious agenda. Stop this. This is Australia, full of funny friendly people who can boast a higher civic IQ.

PF: Do you view Scott Morrison as one of those principled people?

BC: The challenge is in his court.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6174 –
I would look at those sort of laws for smokers or junkies before someone who doesn't want to be vaccinated for a virus.
Criminals (real ones like murderers) who have been injured during an arrest or committed self harm would be at the top of the tree.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!
 

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6175 –
Dec 10 (Reuters) - Most of the 43 COVID-19 cases caused by the Omicron variant identified in the United States so far were in people who were fully vaccinated, and a third of them had received a booster dose, according to a U.S. report published on Friday.

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) said that of the 43 cases attributed to Omicron variant, 34 people had been fully vaccinated. Fourteen of them had also received a booster, although five of those cases occurred less than 14 days after the additional shot before full protection kicks in.
While the numbers are very small, they add to growing concerns that current COVID-19 vaccines may offer less protection against the highly transmissible new variant.
Among the Omicron cases, 25 were in people aged 18 to 39 and 14 had traveled internationally. Six people had previously been infected with the coronavirus.

Most of them only had mild symptoms such as coughing, congestion, and fatigue, the report said, and one person was hospitalized for two days. Other symptoms reported less frequently including nausea or vomiting, shortness of breath or difficulty breathing, diarrhea and loss of taste or smell.
The CDC said that while many of the first reported Omicron cases appear to be mild, a lag exists between infection and more severe outcomes. Symptoms would also be expected to be milder in vaccinated persons and those with previous SARS-CoV-2 infection.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6176 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
The CDC said that while many of the first reported Omicron cases appear to be mild, a lag exists between infection and more severe outcomes. Symptoms would also be expected to be milder in vaccinated persons and those with previous SARS-CoV-2 infection.
I think it's too early to tell, but the growing restrictions and actions in Europe suggest it's more severe or a bigger issue than we are being lead to believe, I'm still concerned about the long term impact of Omicron on young children as children and infants seem to be more affected by Omicron than the other variants. Of course, most children and infants are not vaccinated.

Great to read that the vaccines still have good efficacy at reducing the severity of disease from the Omicron variant.

As we get more variants the likelihood we'll get breakthrough infections grows, and given that in many or the reporting locations the bulk of population are vaccinated it's natural to have more vaccinated people detected with infections than unvaccinated. However, as long as the vaccines provide some efficacy the fundamentals haven't changed, and in European Omicron affected regions more than 70% of ICU intubation/ventilation cases remain as unvaccinated people. That doesn't mean the chance of individual transmission is increased, it just means the number of vaccinated far outweigh the number of unvaccinated. Fundamentally the big constant remains, if you're unvaccinated and get Sars-CoV-2 you are about 10x more likely to be hospitalised and require intubation or ventilation, you're 10x more likely to become a burden on the health system, you're cost of care is likely to be far more expensive to society.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6177 –
So nsw dropping the mandatory checking in and vaccine cert checking on Wednesday.

Border to qld is open from today. 
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6178 –
I read an article discussing boosters that said the moderna booster worked better than pfizer or astra but the Novavax as a booster smashed them both especially after two shots of astra.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6179 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Dec 10 (Reuters) - Most of the 43 COVID-19 cases caused by the Omicron variant identified in the United States so far were in people who were fully vaccinated, and a third of them had received a booster dose, according to a U.S. report published on Friday.

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) said that of the 43 cases attributed to Omicron variant, 34 people had been fully vaccinated. Fourteen of them had also received a booster, although five of those cases occurred less than 14 days after the additional shot before full protection kicks in.
While the numbers are very small, they add to growing concerns that current COVID-19 vaccines may offer less protection against the highly transmissible new variant.
Among the Omicron cases, 25 were in people aged 18 to 39 and 14 had traveled internationally. Six people had previously been infected with the coronavirus.

Most of them only had mild symptoms such as coughing, congestion, and fatigue, the report said, and one person was hospitalized for two days. Other symptoms reported less frequently including nausea or vomiting, shortness of breath or difficulty breathing, diarrhea and loss of taste or smell.
The CDC said that while many of the first reported Omicron cases appear to be mild, a lag exists between infection and more severe outcomes. Symptoms would also be expected to be milder in vaccinated persons and those with previous SARS-CoV-2 infection.

I think it's pretty well established that vaccinated people still pass the virus on.
The fact that the majority of eligible folks in the country are now double vaccinated means that most of the ongoing transmission will come from vaccinated folks.
The borders here in Queensland opened today.
Restrictions apply to the unvaccinated, yet the expectation is that we'll see a sharp increase in the number of people affected.
It means that the spread of Covid in Queensland will come mostly from the vaccinated.

That's just the reality
The key is that the vaccine should result in a milder form of the illness in most folks...but there will still be some people who will end up in  hospital....and we have no real idea of the effectiveness of the vaccine against variants. The jury is still out.