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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6496 –
Thryleon, I don't agree with your attempt to restrict the definition of privilege. I'll leave you to hash it out with LP and the makers of dictionaries.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6497 –
The latest science indicates vaccinated are approximately 8x less likely to suffer long term effects from all COVID variants, this is over and above the already greatly reduced risk of getting a SARS-CoV-2 infection in the first place. Vaccination reduces the risk of infection for all SARS-CoV-2 variants.

Breakthrough infections occur at approximately 1/10th the rate of infections in unvaccinated, similar benefits are shown in hospital admissions and acute/intensive care.

Sufferers of SARS-CoV-2 breakthrough infections also appear to be 4x less likely to experience severe long term symptoms.

Preliminary findings also indicate are that any unvaccinated sufferers of long COVID will experience reduced severity of symptoms if they proceed to be vaccinated once eligible.

Vaccination, win, win, win and win! ;D
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6498 –
Greg Baum over at The Rage has a nice perspective of all this Djoker stuff;
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If you don’t believe Djokovic misused an escape clause this year, have a close read of the ATAGI protocols that were co-opted to his case. The relevant clause allows an exemption for someone with “PCR-confirmed SARS-CoV-2 infection, where vaccination can be deferred until six months after the infection”.

That’s deferred, not refused point-blank. Deferred, not laughed in the face of. As noted by former ATAGI chair Allen Cheng, it is meant to apply to people in Australia who when safe can have the vaccine. It is not meant to provide a PPE-lined avenue into the country for those who have no intention of being inoculated, now, later or ever.

Think about it for a moment: the way to get around Australia’s COVID-19 public health protection protocols is to get COVID-19. Just head down to your local dance club, take a few deep breaths, pop into your nearest PCR shop on the way home and voila!

Does anybody truly believe that Djokovic is claiming exemption now on the basis that he will dutifully have a jab in six months when the scales fall from his eyes? That’s Novak Djokovic, globally known virulent vaccination opponent – sceptic won’t do, because his mind is not open on this. Djokovic, blithe COVID-19 fellow-traveller? Djokovic, family-anointed leader of the free world? Jab-free, that is.
A behaviour, only available to the lawyered up wealthy it seems, quite a privilege!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6499 –
He didn't win because he's rich, he was able fight because he's rich.

He won because he didn't do anything wrong.


2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6500 –
Quote from: LP – on
The latest science indicates vaccinated are approximately 8x less likely to suffer long term effects from all COVID variants, this is over and above the already greatly reduced risk of getting a SARS-CoV-2 infection in the first place. Vaccination reduces the risk of infection for all SARS-CoV-2 variants.

Breakthrough infections occur at approximately 1/10th the rate of infections in unvaccinated, similar benefits are shown in hospital admissions and acute/intensive care.

Sufferers of SARS-CoV-2 breakthrough infections also appear to be 4x less likely to experience severe long term symptoms.

Preliminary findings also indicate are that any unvaccinated sufferers of long COVID will experience reduced severity of symptoms if they proceed to be vaccinated once eligible.

Vaccination, win, win, win and win! ;D

That's all that you need to know about getting vaccinated.

The additional lies about only the unvaccinated spreading it hasn't aged well at all. Not expecting any apologies though.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6501 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
He didn't win because he's rich, he was able fight because he's rich.

He won because he didn't do anything wrong.
He won because the Fed Govt stuffed up. If it had wanted to keep unvaccinated anti-vaxxers out, it should have been like shooting fish in a barrel. But the Govt put a lid on the barrel and put it inside a bank vault, making the job of shooting the fish so much harder.

The article LP referenced talked about whether he should have been able to make bad faith use of a medical exemption under the Victorian system. If the Fed Govt had wanted to enforce a tougher approach by rejecting those who obtained the medical exemption on the ground of prior infection, it could have done so easily. Making that clear on the material it published and having Immigration Officials weeding out such applications for visas before granting them would have been a good start.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6502 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
That's all that you need to know about getting vaccinated.

The additional lies about only the unvaccinated spreading it hasn't aged well at all. Not expecting any apologies though.
Not sure what you assert, if you are more likely to get it, and you are more likely to get it when you are unvaccinated, then you are more likely to spread it, it's pretty basic.

Vaccinated people have reduced chance of getting it, if they do get it a breakthrough infection it will most likely be less severe, and once they have got it they are less likely to spread it.

Vaccinated people who get a breakthrough infection are likely to have the infection for a much shorter period of time, if they become infectious they are likely to stay infectious for a shorter period of time, they will also most likely have less long term side effects.

Getting an infection and being infectious are two different things, which are often not distinguished by much of the media coverage.

Nobody credible ever said vaccines deliver 100% efficacy, that is just a rock that the vaccine naysayers like to throw around!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6503 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
The additional lies about only the unvaccinated spreading it hasn't aged well at all. Not expecting any apologies though.
Was that ever stated as a black and white proposition? Or was it the more muted version that the unvaccinated were more likely to spread it than the vaccinated? If the latter, that was most likely true and it may well be true also of Omicron.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6504 –
Quote from: LP – on
Not sure what you assert, if you are more likely to get it, and you are more likely to get it when you are unvaccinated, then you are more likely to spread it, it's pretty basic.

Vaccinated people have reduced chance of getting it, if they do get it a breakthrough infection it will most likely be less severe, and once they have got it they are less likely to spread it.

Vaccinated people who get a breakthrough infection are likely to have the infection for a much shorter period of time, if they become infectious they are likely to stay infectious for a shorter period of time, they will also have less long term side effects.

Nobody credible ever said vaccines deliver 100% efficacy, that is just a rock that the vaccine naysayers like to throw!

Lies.
Covid has ripped through my workplace. Everyone is wearing masks, socially distanced and vaccinated.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6505 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Lies.
Covid has ripped through my workplace. Everyone is wearing masks, socially distanced and vaccinated.
It only takes one person, it may not have been an employee even, and the probability is that it's someone who either gained no benefit from being vaccinated or was effectively unvaccinated. Someone who has experienced diminished efficacy.

It's not an "either or" / "yes or no" scenario, it's about chance, risk and probability.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6506 –
Quote from: Mav – on
He won because the Fed Govt stuffed up. If it had wanted to keep unvaccinated anti-vaxxers out, it should have been like shooting fish in a barrel. But the Govt put a lid on the barrel and put it inside a bank vault, making the job of shooting the fish so much harder.

The article LP referenced talked about whether he should have been able to make bad faith use of a medical exemption under the Victorian system. If the Fed Govt had wanted to enforce a tougher approach by rejecting those who obtained the medical exemption on the ground of prior infection, it could have done so easily. Making that clear on the material it published and having Immigration Officials weeding out such applications for visas before granting them would have been a good start.

I agree with all of that.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6507 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
He didn't win because he's rich, he was able fight because he's rich.
He won because he is elite rich, a family of vast individual and combined wealth that enable Djokers contrary behaviour.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6508 –
Quote from: LP – on

He won because he is elite rich, a family of vast individual and combined wealth that enable Djokers contrary behaviour.

He won because he had a medical exemption despite scomo saying he didn't.

2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6509 –
Is it politically wise for the Immigration Minister, Alex Hawke, to emphasise that he has the power to cancel Djokovic's Visa in his discretion? The only advantage to the Govt would be that it might send a message to Djokovic and his family that it's best not to gloat to the media about winning the court case.

By raising the issue, however, it makes it clear Djokovic's continued presence in Australia is due to a Govt decision, not a court decision. Unless Hawke follows through and cancels the Visa, Scotty from Marketing completely loses any advantage he might have had in running a Tampa redux campaign.  He could still try to run the 'We will decide who comes to this country' line, but if Alex Hawke doesn't act then that would probably be met with scorn. If the Visa is cancelled, it will probably just focus attention on how inept the handling of this saga has been. Either way, the opposition will have a field day.