Carlton Supporters Club

LP, stop spinning things mate.  

You can't just admit they got this particular vaccine wrong and that's why its now banned. 

You're downplaying it saying 'Adverse reactions to vaccines are normal'

You're better than that LP.

The AZ vaccine isn't banned.  It's no longer manufactured because it has been superseded by vaccines that are more effective against the recent COVID strains.

TTS was a known, very rare side effect of AZ that affected up to three people per 100,000 vaccines.  It can be treated easily and effectively.

The Measles/Mumps/Rubella vaccine can cause seizures, unusual bleeding or bruising and can be life-threatening for people with immune system problems.  Idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura develops in one of every 24,000 children vaccinated.

But don't let the science get in the way of a good conspiracy theory 

No conspiracy theory mate. So typical that when it’s proven now you turn to playing with words. Spin it any way you want - It’s no longer produced for a reason!

But you keep your head down now and keep following the science…..🤨

LP, stop spinning things mate.

Unfortunately most of the anti-vaccination sentiment is based purely on figures built from voluntary reporting like the Yellow Card system or the various US or European equivalents, as far as I can tell in the US there is at least one system for every political party, and those figures are as reliable as asking Dangerflog for opinion on a Carlton tribunal infringement.

Statistics bring the vaccine panic merchants undone, for example if you drove to get your vaccine shot you are nearly 1000x more likely to be injured from the drive than the vaccine, keep on trucking. But of course we can always claim a global conspiracy to hide deaths, rounds things off nicely!

As for the official figures (rounded off noicely by moi) to August 2022 from the TGA, not from Weird Al or News Ltd.
64M Doses
136K Adverse Effects( 80K Comirnaty(Pfizer) , 40K Vaxzevera(Az), 8K Spikevax(Moderna) )
Potential Links to deaths 13 (Identified from approximately 900 claims!)

So we can equate that means 1:100 claims of death have a potential link, or 99:100 claims of death have no link at all.

My understanding of those potential 13 deaths, it highly likely that 2 are certified as related to a vaccine, which is about the global average for vaccines et. al..!

We kill people with vehicles (Mostly cars) at the rate of 4.5 people for every 100,000 trips, that equates to nearly 3000 deaths per 64 Million trips!

( Actually, the simple extrapolation is only approximate, an actuary can advise you the real figure is much worse when trip length is taken into account. The incident rate is a curve it is not linear, and what is a trip? My friend who is an actuary will advise road users are more likely to die on a short trip close to home or on a regular route where you are less safe than going to a never before visited venue. But this definition varies because a short trip close to home or a regular route is different from someone living in Carlton versus Wave Rock. They think it is related to driver complacency and familiarity perhaps causing drivers to over estimate ability or not observing / anticipating local road changes. For him that Youi ad that claims reduced insurance for short trips is offensive! )

It seems a "short regular road trip" is like walking down a staircase while talking!

LP, because you seem to quickly be able to find reliable sources to stat 'facts' relating to the vaccine roll out would you also be as willing to use the same reliable sources to advise what our Covid mortality rate was once contracting Covid in the groups below.

Over 70s
60-70
50-69
40-49
30-39
Under 30s
Children

Please don't add any spin just tell me the figures please that's all im interested in.

There is no spin in my posts, you only assert that because you either disagree or do not believe the science, I can't help you with that.

The best apolitical source for your request is the ABS, it's not controlled by any political party or State and just works as a bureaucracy to collect the data. The screen grab of the data as linked from Oct 2022 is below.

The only qualification I would put on it is that some in the RACGP question the usefulness because in Australia there is no Federal standard, the States have different rules and regulations about the the way records are created and maintained. Some in the RACGP claim certain locations under-report, some have different definitions of "death from COVID" versus "death with COVID", etc., etc., the under-reporting allegation seems mostly motivated by economic reasons, in much the same way it has been shown that India's "extraordinary COVID success" turned out to be completely bogus, India's commercial media is 100% run and controlled by the Indian Government, it didn't even report lockdowns that we now know were even harder than those we had here!

https://www.abs.gov.au/articles/covid-19-mortality-australia-deaths-registered-until-31-october-2022

Keep in mind, the figures since Oct 2022 might be equally alarming, it looks like some demographics are being smashed by the new variant now that lockdowns are over. The media and politicians might have moved on, but the virus didn't!

If your under 30 its one in 370,000 - I WILL REPEAT THIS 1 DEATH IN EVERY 370,000 or

They tell us to trust the science i prefer to trust the statistics and those very statistics make me like many others suspicious about the handling of this pandemic.

The median age is about 37 years, the under 30s are about 35% of the population, the ratio is approximately 1 in every 140,000 people.

Sounds low, but that in common analogy, to accept your freedom we must accept the death of one under 30 every second MCG game, which young family member will you pick, Elwood's daughter, maybe one of MBB's little ones?

Thanks for correcting my math error however it doesn’t change my point. Covid in that age group is very very rare and the closing of playgrounds schools etc were not remotely in line with the risk on that age demographic. Spin it any way you want that’s a fact!

COVID being rare in that demographic isn't a fact it's a fantasy, you have confused mortality rates and virulence.

The people caring long term for their COVID affected children, children who were otherwise healthy prior to the virus, won't share your perspective, they might even find it slightly abhorrent!

PS: So happy to hear you want higher rates of Under 30s dying before you bother to act!

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