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Re: AFL Rd 1 2020: Post Game Post Mortum: Carlton vs. Richmond

Reply #15
Dow pick 3 taken after him, Uniake, cerra,Stephenson ,hunter clark,naughton, Fogarty,Ed Richards,Higgins,Oscar Allen,Tim Kelly,Liam Ryan,James worpel...........sigh maybe sos was smoke and mirrors

Re: AFL Rd 1 2020: Post Game Post Mortum: Carlton vs. Richmond

Reply #16
Kreuzer going down early, along with the tigers fast start, put the result beyond doubt from the get go.

That being said, 50 points down at one point had people reaching for the remote, but i doubt anyone thought we would get it back to within striking distance.

Cripps and Doc did what we'd hope them to do. We're on the right track with them in charge.
Murphy+Ed haven't fallen off the cliff in terms of performance just yet.
Walsh was good enough.
Thats our core group performing at an acceptable level.

Weitering and Jones did well, the former was excellent.
Plowman can hold his head up IMO. Considering he had Dusty for large parts, he was not beaten as often as anyone else on the ground would've been in similar circumstances.
SPS should be played off Half back for the next 10 years. Elite disposal coming out of defence.

Our backline was relatively solid....as we'd expected from the team sheet.

Now to the forwardline....or should i say the Jack Attack.
'Jack's kicked 7 goals between them tonight.
Obviously Jack Martin was elite and exceeded most peoples expectations......and we got him for nothing thanks to SOS.
Jack Silvagni kicked 2 and should've had a 3rd (but it was gifted to someone else) as usual, tried hard.
Finally Jack Newnes managed to kick a nice long goal. More impressive IMO was his hardness and willing to stand up for his new teammates. His smarts to draw a free kick is much needed as well. Hopefully others see what i've seen in him thus far and why i've been pumping up his tires. Fills a need in our list - mature player who you can back in to play week in week out

...and cannot forget Casboult. Asked to lift after Kreuzer went down and held his end up. Kicked 2 as well.

We'll gain some confidence from that game for the season. Hopefully we get a bit of luck with injuries from here.



Re: AFL Rd 1 2020: Post Game Post Mortum: Carlton vs. Richmond

Reply #17
Martin will be a big asset. :)

One player that really impressed tonight though was SPS.
Clean and confident.
He looked really good.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2020: Post Game Post Mortum: Carlton vs. Richmond

Reply #18
Dow is just getting worse by the year. The inability to kick, chase, pressure or do anything meaningful for the team is an indictment on the club for playing him and Silvagni for drafting him.

The guy does not belong on an AFL field. He is totally out of his league.

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Re: AFL Rd 1 2020: Post Game Post Mortum: Carlton vs. Richmond

Reply #19
Our outside ball distributors - Setterfield,  Dow,  Fisher and Newman stunk.   To the point where I'd be happy if none played seniors again, ever.    Dow is clueless,  zero awareness, real worry that bloke.   These blokes can't get it,  can't use it and apply F all pressure on the other mob when they have  it.  Murphy did better,  he at least got the pill,  but his use stank.   Curnow tried but his use was awful.    So many ineffective players, can't carry so many passengers.

Big loss was Kreuzer,  if it's a foot that might be the end unfortunately.  Levi very serviceable,  at least gives us a presence around the ground.   Before getting injured Kreuzer looked cooked.

Plowman was hopelessly out pointed,  but at least we have Willo as cover.   I don't see how we're going to fix that midfield though,   it is so far off AFL standard it's embarrassing.  Time to give some of the supposedly talented kids a rocket.

Good post.  Agree with all your comments here.  Especially with regard to the 'poor use' our mids give us.   Kernow and Murphy basically need to be replaced in the midfield with 2 excellent ball users.  E.g Coniglio etc.  If we can't get a player the ilk of that, then we need to try something different to get some class in there...e.g maybe play dok there, or obrien etc.  At least they kick well.    Nunes was poor with his feet.  Will not survive doing that with only 11 possesions.  Dow is awful. Worst number 3 draft pick i've seen.  For that pick alone, I totally understand why SOS is no longer at the club.  Throw in Setterfield, lazy cunningham, lazy mcgovern, plowman (yes Plowman, the one that small forwards always take apart but they keep playing him) and a few others and it is no wonder we were blown away by 40 at half time.  I was thrilled with Martin (real class), crippa and seton played well, although i'd like his 19 touches to be 24.  Frustrated because we have some good players now, unfortunately the spuds need to go so we are not let down by them.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2020: Post Game Post Mortum: Carlton vs. Richmond

Reply #20
Tonight showed the footy world what I have been saying for the last 3 years. Our midfield is one dimensional, Murphy is a decent small forward but too small in the middle. Ed is a warrior but is no certainty to hit a 20 metre target leaving poor Walsh and Cripps to try and do it all.

Been banging on for years that we are going nowhere until we get 4-5 decent ball users that we can rotate thru the middle. I accepted we were unlikely to get a big fish as no one wanted to come but Instead we have group consisting of Setterfield, Dow, Cunningham, Fisher, Kennedy, Polson, Newnes and Lang  who not one of them looks remotely like a second or even third tier midfielder. Tell me one time any of these blokes got 25 plus touches. And their ball skills are under 12s standard.
Sick and tired of waiting. None of the above players have improved in the years we have persisted with them and I still here blokes on here trying to convince me they need more time. ENOUGH!!

You could always see it with Weitering SPS Walsh Charlie Harry and you just knew they needed game time as they slowly improved year after year yet but there js no improvement in the above lot mentioned and the time has come to move them on that is if anyone is interested.

And Newnes is yet another example of how far we have fallen. He is another reject who was going to be delisted by another struggling team- another ball butcher who will join the list of rejects we tried to convince was the player we needed because we could never get in the real footballers that we were desperate for to make a real difference, so instead like losers we talk up the likes of Lang Newnes, Kennedy setterfield......

Decisions like this is the reason SOS is gone and that after 5 years we are still a bottom team with gapping holes in our list.

The favourite son has made probably 40 or 50 list changes yet lucky if 5-6 are good ones. The rest are either jury out, unlikely or absolute howlers.

We play like we have accepted failure and supporters now are happy to accept losses and just try and find positives to hang out hat on. Be very surprised if Cripps is there beyond this contract.

We are not half the club I followed as a kid.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2020: Post Game Post Mortum: Carlton vs. Richmond

Reply #21
I'd just about kill to get a draft freebie like Pickett... Fast,  heavy bodied,  balanced, aware in traffic,  clean hands  and a deadly user.   Instead we persist with crap trucks that tick none of those boxes and just run around fumbling, falling over,  making dumb errors, missing tackles and generally running around in a clueless manner.   And we wasted high draft picks on those blokes... Big clean out coming.
This. You forgot to add terrible by hand and foot.
2017 - 16th
2018 - Wooden Spoon
2019 - 16th
2020 - write off

Re: AFL Rd 1 2020: Post Game Post Mortum: Carlton vs. Richmond

Reply #22
Agree with this post

To add to it, Murphy is really just a small forward now and his lack of physicality in the middle is hurting us over and over again. And all of Newman, Simpson, Dow and Curnow’s disposals/decision making is woeful - can’t win carrying that.
As much I love Simmo yes, the above were woeful..again. Did anyone expect anything different?
2017 - 16th
2018 - Wooden Spoon
2019 - 16th
2020 - write off

Re: AFL Rd 1 2020: Post Game Post Mortum: Carlton vs. Richmond

Reply #23
Tonight showed the footy world what I have been saying for the last 3 years. Our midfield is one dimensional, Murphy is a decent small forward but too small in the middle. Ed is a warrior but is no certainty to hit a 20 metre target leaving poor Walsh and Cripps to try and do it all.

Been banging on for years that we are going nowhere until we get 4-5 decent ball users that we can rotate thru the middle. I accepted we were unlikely to get a big fish as no one wanted to come but Instead we have group consisting of Setterfield, Dow, Cunningham, Fisher, Kennedy, Polson, Newnes and Lang  who not one of them looks remotely like a second or even third tier midfielder. Tell me one time any of these blokes got 25 plus touches. And their ball skills are under 12s standard.
Sick and tired of waiting. None of the above players have improved in the years we have persisted with them and I still here blokes on here trying to convince me they need more time. ENOUGH!!

You could always see it with Weitering SPS Walsh Charlie Harry and you just knew they needed game time as they slowly improved year after year yet but there js no improvement in the above lot mentioned and the time has come to move them on that is if anyone is interested.

And Newnes is yet another example of how far we have fallen. He is another reject who was going to be delisted by another struggling team- another ball butcher who will join the list of rejects we tried to convince was the player we needed because we could never get in the real footballers that we were desperate for to make a real difference, so instead like losers we talk up the likes of Lang Newnes, Kennedy setterfield......

Decisions like this is the reason SOS is gone and that after 5 years we are still a bottom team with gapping holes in our list.

The favourite son has made probably 40 or 50 list changes yet lucky if 5-6 are good ones. The rest are either jury out, unlikely or absolute howlers.

We play like we have accepted failure and supporters now are happy to accept losses and just try and find positives to hang out hat on. Be very surprised if Cripps is there beyond this contract.

We are not half the club I followed as a kid.

Cry me a river.

Yes Dow shouldn't play 1s for a long time. Poor draft pick, time will tell.

Newnes will get better as he gels, and he was NOT GOING TO BE DELISTED.

It would have been very weird out there - we were nowhere in the first quarter AND the umpires reamed us.

If we had converted a few more of the easy chances and not given them so many freebies, well. It's a game of inches.

On the umps, how many times did the umps let things play on when they were tackled - aren't you required to make an effort to dispose of the ball any more?

13 tackles in H1 says everything about where we were mentality.

44 points in one quarter - done and dusted.

Yet, we got back to what? 15 and had a chance to then kick another?
Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: AFL Rd 1 2020: Post Game Post Mortum: Carlton vs. Richmond

Reply #24
Kreuzer going down early, along with the tigers fast start, put the result beyond doubt from the get go.

That being said, 50 points down at one point had people reaching for the remote, but i doubt anyone thought we would get it back to within striking distance.

Cripps and Doc did what we'd hope them to do. We're on the right track with them in charge.
Murphy+Ed haven't fallen off the cliff in terms of performance just yet.
Walsh was good enough.
Thats our core group performing at an acceptable level.

Weitering and Jones did well, the former was excellent.
Plowman can hold his head up IMO. Considering he had Dusty for large parts, he was not beaten as often as anyone else on the ground would've been in similar circumstances.
SPS should be played off Half back for the next 10 years. Elite disposal coming out of defence.

Our backline was relatively solid....as we'd expected from the team sheet.

Now to the forwardline....or should i say the Jack Attack.
'Jack's kicked 7 goals between them tonight.
Obviously Jack Martin was elite and exceeded most peoples expectations......and we got him for nothing thanks to SOS.
Jack Silvagni kicked 2 and should've had a 3rd (but it was gifted to someone else) as usual, tried hard.
Finally Jack Newnes managed to kick a nice long goal. More impressive IMO was his hardness and willing to stand up for his new teammates. His smarts to draw a free kick is much needed as well. Hopefully others see what i've seen in him thus far and why i've been pumping up his tires. Fills a need in our list - mature player who you can back in to play week in week out

...and cannot forget Casboult. Asked to lift after Kreuzer went down and held his end up. Kicked 2 as well.

We'll gain some confidence from that game for the season. Hopefully we get a bit of luck with injuries from here.



Your joking about Murphy right? I lost count of the times he either turned it over or made the dumbest decision I have ever seen him make. Got the the footy but butchered it a hell of a lot. I dont expect it from a 268 gamer. We need our experienced blokes to be clean and composed.
2017 - 16th
2018 - Wooden Spoon
2019 - 16th
2020 - write off

Re: AFL Rd 1 2020: Post Game Post Mortum: Carlton vs. Richmond

Reply #25
Last 5 min of the 2nd qtr killed. After we really controlled alot of it we allowed them to kick 4 goals.

On the inside we are good as anyone. It's keeps us in big games. We been trained for years to play inside defensively hence we have become terrible on the outside. We'll be middle of the road this year, which will be an improvement, but until we can learn to cut sides up on the outside to give easy ball in our 50 going higher will be harder. Skills suddenly improve when you go into the 50 much more easily as there's space.  Maybe even Dow, who's use makes one cringe at times. The likes of Dow and O'Brien aren't suited to our game style. We smacked Richmond on the inside but when they got out they cut us up through the corridor. That was the game difference right there.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2020: Post Game Post Mortum: Carlton vs. Richmond

Reply #26
Dow pick 3 taken after him, Uniake, cerra,Stephenson ,hunter clark,naughton, Fogarty,Ed Richards,Higgins,Oscar Allen,Tim Kelly,Liam Ryan,James worpel...........sigh maybe sos was smoke and mirrors

Dow was touted as a no.1 pick and one of 3 in contention. So he was getting picked early by someone. After year 1 hasn't worked out that way. He was recruited for his speed on the outside, a game that is seemingly totally foreign to us. Wish he would grow. Looks as skinny as the day he was recruited.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2020: Post Game Post Mortum: Carlton vs. Richmond

Reply #27
Last 5 min of the 2nd qtr killed. After we really controlled alot of it we allowed them to kick 4 goals.

On the inside we are good as anyone. It's keeps us in big games. We been trained for years to play inside defensively hence we have become terrible on the outside. We'll be middle of the road this year, which will be an improvement, but until we can learn to cut sides up on the outside to give easy ball in our 50 going higher will be harder. Skills suddenly improve when you go into the 50 much more easily as there's space.  Maybe even Dow, who's use makes one cringe at times. The likes of Dow and O'Brien aren't suited to our game style. We smacked Richmond on the inside but when they got out they cut us up through the corridor. That was the game difference right there.

Anyone will smack us if we turn the ball over so easily (thoughtlessly) as we did in H1 - most of the time under little or no pressure.

And 13 tackles in the half - we weren't switched on....at all.

And they were ALL guilty of it.
Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: AFL Rd 1 2020: Post Game Post Mortum: Carlton vs. Richmond

Reply #28
Dow was touted as a no.1 pick and one of 3 in contention. So he was getting picked early by someone. After year 1 hasn't worked out that way. He was recruited for his speed on the outside, a game that is seemingly totally foreign to us. Wish he would grow. Looks as skinny as the day he was recruited.
There was very little speed on show from Dow last night, in fact I was shocked by the lack of it, at one stage SoJ ran past him! Dow rarely put in an effort when chasing, yet we know if in the clear he has some speed, when SoJ runs past you............!

Dow's a luxury item, another Lang type, a bloke who can do something terrific but only 10% of the time, we need 24x7 types, so at this stage I think he's superfluous to our needs and should go!
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Re: AFL Rd 1 2020: Post Game Post Mortum: Carlton vs. Richmond

Reply #29
Tonight showed the footy world what I have been saying for the last 3 years. Our midfield is one dimensional, Murphy is a decent small forward but too small in the middle. Ed is a warrior but is no certainty to hit a 20 metre target leaving poor Walsh and Cripps to try and do it all.

Been banging on for years that we are going nowhere until we get 4-5 decent ball users that we can rotate thru the middle. I accepted we were unlikely to get a big fish as no one wanted to come but Instead we have group consisting of Setterfield, Dow, Cunningham, Fisher, Kennedy, Polson, Newnes and Lang  who not one of them looks remotely like a second or even third tier midfielder. Tell me one time any of these blokes got 25 plus touches. And their ball skills are under 12s standard.
Sick and tired of waiting. None of the above players have improved in the years we have persisted with them and I still here blokes on here trying to convince me they need more time. ENOUGH!!

You could always see it with Weitering SPS Walsh Charlie Harry and you just knew they needed game time as they slowly improved year after year yet but there js no improvement in the above lot mentioned and the time has come to move them on that is if anyone is interested.

And Newnes is yet another example of how far we have fallen. He is another reject who was going to be delisted by another struggling team- another ball butcher who will join the list of rejects we tried to convince was the player we needed because we could never get in the real footballers that we were desperate for to make a real difference, so instead like losers we talk up the likes of Lang Newnes, Kennedy setterfield......

Decisions like this is the reason SOS is gone and that after 5 years we are still a bottom team with gapping holes in our list.

The favourite son has made probably 40 or 50 list changes yet lucky if 5-6 are good ones. The rest are either jury out, unlikely or absolute howlers.

We play like we have accepted failure and supporters now are happy to accept losses and just try and find positives to hang out hat on. Be very surprised if Cripps is there beyond this contract.

We are not half the club I followed as a kid.
Cant argue with any of that, I have had a gut full of waiting and excuses. Give us a participation award because we didnt get smacked, f-that, I want wins I dont care who we are playing. Anything else is unacceptable. If I hear or read "The positives are..." one more time I'll spew up. With regards to the comment about Murphy being too small for the middle, Prestia is 5cm shorter. It's got nothing to do with size, it's about will, competitiveness and execution. He had the first two last night, his execution was woeful. We have one established elite player (Cripps), one truly on the way (Walsh) and if he keeps it up (Martin), he may well join them. The rest?
2017 - 16th
2018 - Wooden Spoon
2019 - 16th
2020 - write off